HeatherLyn gave some good tips on relationships in the Advice thread, which reminded me that we could use a thread for it. :) Here's some good links for you folks. Read them. Know them. Share them. Feel good. :)
Burning Man Relationship Survival Guide: www.burningman.com/preparat...hips.html
A Single Person's Heart guide to BM: tribes.tribe.net/burningma...90d8f33706
midweek meltdown: tribes.tribe.net/burningma...e3146f9939
and here you go boys and girls, your first task of playa self-reliance *drum roll*...
1) search the word "relationship" or "couple" or "meltdown" on past virgin tribes, other BM tribes and ePlaya.
2) read the threads
some links to get you started:
tribes.tribe.net/burningmanvirgins2007
tribes.tribe.net/bm2006virgins
bm.tribe.net/
eplaya.burningman.com/
Burning Man Relationship Survival Guide: www.burningman.com/preparat...hips.html
A Single Person's Heart guide to BM: tribes.tribe.net/burningma...90d8f33706
midweek meltdown: tribes.tribe.net/burningma...e3146f9939
and here you go boys and girls, your first task of playa self-reliance *drum roll*...
1) search the word "relationship" or "couple" or "meltdown" on past virgin tribes, other BM tribes and ePlaya.
2) read the threads
some links to get you started:
tribes.tribe.net/burningmanvirgins2007
tribes.tribe.net/bm2006virgins
bm.tribe.net/
eplaya.burningman.com/
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Re: relationships and Burning Man
Thu, March 6, 2008 - 1:05 PMoh yes!
The single person's heart guide had a couple of tips which i had not considered yet ened up coming up last year. Because of the guide i was prepared...
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Re: relationships and Burning Man
Thu, March 6, 2008 - 3:09 PMman oh man i see some seriously bad characteristics of myself in the relationship guide! yikes!
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Fri, March 7, 2008 - 3:50 PMI've read the heart guide before and was really glad to have found it, I'm glad you posted it here!
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Re: relationships and Burning Man
Thu, March 13, 2008 - 11:10 AMBest relationship advice I can give is if you or your honey are getting cranky and arguing, both of you should drink some water, eat some food, lay down for a hour. A great majority of the time, this will make everything MUCH better.
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Thu, March 13, 2008 - 6:14 PMThanks so much for that...although my partner backed out on me this time around its good advice either way.
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Wed, March 26, 2008 - 11:03 AMI'm a single person Burning Man virgin this year. Thank you for posting this, and it's funny...a few months ago, i had a dream where i finally got to the playa, and there was this attractive guy hitting on me like crazy. Any other time, i might have flirted back, but this time, i looked him in the eye and said "Dude, we're on the playa! We are on the playa, man! Get your priorities straight!" lol Here's to hoping i can keep my wits about me that well at the actual event. :p -
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Re: relationships and Burning Man
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 12:39 AMthe great thing about the playa is that you never know how you might react to certain situations. There were several women I met that normally i would have so tried to "hook up " with. but with dust in my veins and love on my lips i ended up cuddling and/or taking them on "art tours" in the playa and then parting ways.
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Re: relationships and Burning Man
Tue, April 1, 2008 - 8:59 AMMy BF and I are attending the festival and I am worried that either of us may "wander off" and find someone else, and I don't want to spend my time constantly worrying. : ( How is the playa on relationships? -
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Re: relationships and Burning Man
Tue, April 1, 2008 - 9:24 AM>I am worried that either of us may "wander off" and find someone else
If you two don't have enough trust in your relationship that you're worried about that, it's going to be a hard time for you.
The playa is really hard on relationships, particularly relationships where there's lack of trust and/or worries about cheating.
Burning Man is full of shiny, cute people having a great time. If you're going to be (for example) watching your boyfriend like a hawk, and getting freaked out every time he interacts with a cute girl, or you think you can't "trust him" to go off on his own, you're gonna be MISERABLE.
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Re: relationships and Burning Man
Tue, April 1, 2008 - 9:37 AM
Hi Danielle,
The playa is a great intensifier of things. Physically, emotionally and mentally.
In regards to relationships, if two people have a solid one, they will be fine. If there are any underlying problems, they will be magnified.
Like Heatherlyn said, it sounds like there might be some trust issues here. It might be wise to sit down with your BF and figure out exactly what each of you wants out of Burning Man. Are each of you there strictly for each other? Or can either/or "wander off."
Communicate clearly to each other and set the ground rules before you go.
At present, if you attend with these worries, you most definitely will be miserable.
Good luck.
Mikey
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Re: relationships and Burning Man
Tue, April 1, 2008 - 12:47 PMExactly what these guys have said... There are several relationship survival guides around. Make sure you both read them, and have some seriously strong talks well before you get to the playa. Don't agree to anything that you're not comfortable with, and don't coerce your mate into anything either.
Make sure that you agree on what levels of extrapersonal interactions are okay. Will you be mad when your mate is getting a picture with a naked hottie?
Of course, this isn't to say that you can't re-assess the boundaries at the event, but don't plan on it.
Oh, and the best advice if you are getting freaked out, go out on your own, by yourself with plenty of water and a parasol. Lose yourself for a day and then start over. -
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Re: relationships and Burning Man
Tue, April 1, 2008 - 10:49 PMThanks so much for the advice. We agreed that we are both going to do our own things and meet up at certain times. I hope this works. But the last thing I want is to find him with someone else back at camp....but I think I'll be fine wandering off and finding myself as well. : ) Parasol included. -
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Re: relationships and Burning Man
Tue, April 1, 2008 - 11:23 PM"But the last thing I want is to find him with someone else back at camp..."
honestly, that's an issue that has nothing to do with burning man. if you can't trust your partner to respect boundaries then you may wish to examine the dynamic and make some changes in your relationship -- either building better trust, assuaging any insecurities you have, or DTMFA ;)
the whole trust thing seems to be a common concern. you may find some insight on how to deal by reading past posts (do a Tribe search for past threads). -
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Re: relationships and Burning Man
Wed, April 9, 2008 - 8:03 AMFirst-timers too, married 20 years with the trust become rather ragged. We enjoy each other's company and are looking forward to the event. I totally agree that expectations must be set ahead of time. For myself, I want to experience everything that I can. My wife quite naturally interprets that to include messing around. Whether or not it will, I am not deciding today. We haven't actually spoken on it yet. But I think we've reached a stage where don't ask don't tell actually makes sense because B/M is so far from home. What resonates with me is this: "the last thing I want is to find him with someone else back at camp." I think if we agree that our camp is for us only and no one else, and that perhaps we can do what we want so long as we don't bring it back with us (physically or emotionally), then maybe everything will be fine. If not, the fact remains that after all this time, perhaps it is a stage of life, but the experience and the learning and the transformation is of more importance than holding rigidly to our pre-existing forms. I accept the risk to this relationship. My wife implicitly does too. (I expect this outlook to evolve over the next four months.) -
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Re: relationships and Burning Man
Wed, April 9, 2008 - 10:33 AM"I accept the risk to this relationship. My wife implicitly does too."
I hope that you make your assumptions and agreements explicit, not implicit. As many have noted, the playa can stress relationships. Being clear about desires and boundaries is a good idea for both new and old relationships, both on and off the playa.
May you both enjoy the adventure!
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Wed, April 9, 2008 - 10:58 AMAbsolutely, we will. I'm not interested in depending on assumptions. By the time we go, there will be an understanding of one sort or another, and if it's not quite what I think I want, it will still be better than any form of dishonesty. Even lies by innocent omission are unacceptable. But as far as stressing relationships, we've done a lot of that already. I can't see B/M as a breaking point. An educational time that clarifies our plans, maybe. But we're well past the point of "OMG you posed with a naked girl / boy?!" :-) -
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Re: relationships and Burning Man
Mon, April 14, 2008 - 12:04 PMThat's a really good start to keep your "flings" away from your camp. One more thing that you should consider is having dates, or at least talking about that.
Let me explain:
Sure, it's all fine and dandy that you (or she) aren't bringing new lovers back to camp, but what happens when you just stay at his (or her) camp for a couple nights while the other person is left sleeping alone?
Set expectations for each other on a daily basis. Decide when you will next see each other, and make sure you fill that promise. If you are planning to go off exploring solo, tell your partner when you plan on being back to camp. A simple "I'll see you back at camp tonight" will often work. At some point at night (dinner time is really convenient) go back to camp. Check in, get some food, make some love and go from there. I think this is the way to go. Others will disagree. -
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Re: relationships and Burning Man
Wed, April 16, 2008 - 12:06 AMIt's a little more confusing for me as I haven't been to Burning Man single, let alone with my partner. He has been to several, and is fairly visible in the local burner community. As we don't share a city of residence right now - a pathetic symptom of society and capitalism - we don't always get to communicate as much as we'd like.
Yet we've managed to remain in love and functional for 8 months long-distance, speaking occasionally but minimally of other lovers, and though it makes planning our next move together VERY difficult.. I believe we're truly on close pages, here.
I get this antsy, scared feeling that things may go terribly wrong out there. But I can't rationalize them because An and I are a phenomenon of communicative loveynes. So long as I make an effort to stick around and not flake off to the other side of the playa for a while without warning as I occassionally do in Babylon, and he makes an effort to not hit on people while spending time with me as he is won't to do when cute boys are around, I think we'll be okay (even if we both slip a little).
Advice from some one experienced in social and romantic anxiety - plan ahead and set clear boundaries and needs, but don't flip out too much! Don't expect the worst! Do your best to avoid the worst, and then expect the best of the two of you all the way. This means continuing to communicate up to and through the burn, trusting one another, and trusting the effectiveness of that communication. -
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Re: relationships and Burning Man
Wed, April 16, 2008 - 12:50 AMI just told Bf if there is any extra people in the tent, at any point and they aren't there just to get some clean socks, then there will be a lot of extra awkward discussions of feelings at inopportune moments for a extra long time to come.
But yeah- get the trust and the boundaries down as much as you can. Every couple has thier balancing point.
I also find that there is so much to do and see that flings and one night stands just don't enter my mind that much..
. Plus, everyone is dirty and smelly and really- you don't know what they picked up in the porta potties. Or the ice line for that matter. -
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Re: relationships and Burning Man
Wed, April 16, 2008 - 1:19 AMHahahha! for some reason your "or the ICE Line for that matter" cracked me up.... if ya send em on an ICE run and they don't come back until AFTER the ICE has melted ya may wanna have a discussion.... LOL!
Elaine... your post is priceless...
for us, it's a ya better tell me BEFORE it happens, even if there's only a shred of possibility... and ya better be using protection.... and, better yet, can we just fantasize about it and not take it "there" just cuz we really dont know where they been or who they been doin.... <grin>
frankly, for me, the moment, or perhaps week of lust I might feel for someone is not woth the lifetime of possible regret....
now, if you're single and cautious about your choices, I know LOTS of relationships that were born out of the dust.... I swear, it is in the dust....
we even call it "lust in the dust"
but bein IN a relationship makes it an whole lot more tricky, no matter what the status of your relationship is...
just because the elements out there are sooooo much more intense.. every sense you have is heightened, and especially so with a little help from chemicals of various forms...
so..... KNOW before ya go... what you will or not stand for and if someone breaks the pact be sure ya have a plan for how to at least exist with the situation if not resolve is, otherwise someone may be finding another ride home...
it has happened before to MANY people I know....
and too, realize the playa has the potential to do some very strange things to our minds and bodies..
the mid week meltdown is real.... and can really make it rough on a relationship...
personally, I think the trick to surviving in a relationship out there is to NOT put ANY demands on one another
ya each have to except responsibility for your own actions and choices..... none of us want to be babysat, unless of course you have made that one of your pacts.....
and then, JUST GO, and BE!!
the rest will be what it is meant to be without you havin to trip on it....
if it all blows up, well.. perhaps it was going to anyway, whether you were on the playa or somewhere else..
it is what it is.....
let it be so......
Regards....
Bare
ps, written while enhanced on cold meds..... Geesh, I hope it makes sense... -
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Re: relationships and Burning Man
Wed, April 16, 2008 - 8:07 AMThere is a movie starring Divine called Lust in the Dust. Hilarious Western spoof.
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Re: relationships and Burning Man
Wed, April 16, 2008 - 3:31 AMpInk, you've not been? So I believe things will be fairly ok, well... depending on if he expects you to go and do your own thing, while he does those things he's done in previous years, and expects to do while there - like he's always done without you (like in previous years) so thinks things will be the same.
My experience was that my first year with someone else romantically (and we also were in a long distance relationship) was that due to the distance, I saw it as an opportunity to spend more time together than our usual "never seeing each other". We'd do fun things together for a reasonable amount of time.
She didn't.
She thought she'd do all the things she's done for many previous years (ie without me), ending up giving us almost no time to see each other.
So I felt like a 2nd class citizen, with her fun being more important than our relationship.
But I also didn't like when we did go somewhere together, and say she'd met an old friend of hers from previous years, I got ignored, not even introduced, like I was someone she'd picked up a few minutes ago, that was patiently waiting/hoping to go back to her tent later! Which didn't feel good.
It didn't help that when I decided to introduce myself (since she wasn't doing it) I'd say I was her boyfriend and how we'd been going out for almost a year, but she hated me telling everyone that! Apparently she considered that "private", and they didn't need to know!
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Re: relationships and Burning Man
Wed, April 16, 2008 - 7:23 AMHL et al are right on.
If you tend to be a jealous person, you're going to be miserable. Everything is magnified out on the Playa. People have different ways of expressing and experiencing their relationships out there- some explore separately, some are inseparable, some discover that they aren't for each other, some fall in love, some find new ways of relating.
My bf and I like to do stuff together. We tend to be rather inseparable, but it's not out of jealousy, it's out of the fact that we found we have more fun together than we do alone. Sexy bandit superheroes work as a team... :)
When we do wander alone, which does happen (and is fun, too), we make meet-up plans and keep them. I trust him and I trust myself.
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Re: relationships and Burning Man
Thu, April 17, 2008 - 7:56 AMOno Bryt! That sounds terrible. I understand many folks like to fully pull off the cosplay thing at BM, just like at Rainbow and anywhere one finds many wanderers, but if she didn't want to include real life facts about the two of you she could've included you in the make-believe fun!
"Hello stardustAss, old friend, this is my transcendental lover Brytee! We met half a universal moment ago on the surface of a comet just one universe over."
I think An and I will be amazing there. I'm not worried anymore. We love to dance together, we love to ogle pretty things and art, we love to sing or speak poetry for one another and those around us - we even love to make lemonade together. And to ride off into the sunset with promises of return. We will dance and talk and share and ride bicycles and cuddle in the dust! It will be wild and rough and wonderful. 'Sides, we're working towards settling on a city together this summer, so we should be back in the swing of being teammates by the time BM happens. And the national Rainbow in Wyoming will be a majorly laid-back primer.
What a poopy lady that was, Bryt.
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Re: relationships and Burning Man
Wed, April 16, 2008 - 12:10 PMSince I'm a resident virgin(tm) I can't offer advice about how Burning Man affects relationships. What I can do, though, is offer a general idea of my own experience with many relationships, and with the one long lasting one that I've had for the past 12 years.
ANY relationship is rooted in trust. That goes for friendships, acquaintances, family, and so on. Each of these are an expanding bubble of trust. Even family relationships are this way where, although we can't choose our family, we can certainly choose how/if we interact with them.
Romantic relationships, though, can be a lot more complicated in our modern world. We've been conditioned to believe a number of things about these types of relationships that are somewhat counter to our basic nature. Many facets of various world cultures have done a tremendous amount of damage to how we perceive this sort of connection. It probably all started with agriculture, but I won't get into Anthro 101 here :) Essentially, the diminution of women started the long, slow path to sexual alienation.
As generations passed, and men became more abusive/dominant, women came to use this situation in the ways they could, and forged weapons of culture that had to do with sex, which was really the most potent power they had. Over time, and since it coincided with the public face of various cultures, sexual repression became the norm, and still is to this day.
These days we are in a phase of unraveling. People are educated enough so that by and large, the notion of sexual repression is being dismantled bit by bit. Burning Man wouldn't have been possible in 1920, for example. However we are still saddled with all sorts of outmoded ways of thinking that create corrosive effects on how we THINK about romantic relationships.
There really is a point here... be patient :)
Ok, so right now, there are many ways of having a romantic relationship. You can be monogamous, which is lauded by society as the "best" type. Most of this is cultural and legal, but has nothing to do with our basic nature. You see, enforcing monogamous romantic relationships polices us in a way that allows culture to force alienation upon us. We are not "Free To Love" however we like. People should have choices, not strictures. Ultimately, things break down without choices. You can also be polygamous, polyandrous, polyamorous, or any combination of the above. I am definitely not saying Monogamy is Bad! I am saying it should be a choice, not an expectation.
I am a poster child for this. I have a wonderful open marriage. I could have sex with anyone I liked (responsibly, of course) and it would not impact the relationship with my wife badly... in fact it has done us some good. Even given that, I have been with only 3 others in the 12 years I have been married. My wife has been with few as well.
Why? Well, because I have the freedom to CHOOSE TO LOVE. We always have each other to which to cling for support, and so the sex thing only comes up occasionally, when we feel a powerful attraction to someone else and feel the need to express it. But just randiness.. hey, we have each other for random craziness on the kitchen table ;)
Trust, now, is the catalyst for this. In a romantic relationship, generally the two (or more) involved don't know each other that well before they start having sexual contact. This means that false trust is built into things from the beginning, well before it becomes possible to decide where this person fits into your trust matrix. Hence, breakups happen pretty often after 3-6 months. Again after 1-2 years. And so on.
So, in other words, before you commit to someone as a "boyfriend" or "girlfriend" in a bubble of very close trust, take the time to get to know them well enough so you know how to trust them. There is absolutely nothing wrong with dating and being friends!! If someone doesn't want to just hang out from time to time and be your "FWB" then maybe that's a signal flag. In other words, it is perfectly OK (from a secular standpoint) to have sex with someone without having some sort of deep commitment to them, almost always made terribly prematurely.
Whole books have been written about this.. I hope I have made SOME sense here.. it's all about trust and love, in the end.
Obviously, there are particularly male things to be wary of (objectification) and particularly female things (emotional traps) but there is a lot of cross pollination. The biggest things I've seen as split issues is an almost sociopathic tendency towards hedonism from males, and the "sexual weapons" attitudes among many women (denying sex and assuming monogamy, at the cost of social outcast status for a non complying male). So.. GET TO KNOW THEM before you TRUST them folks. And as they say, Be Very Clear about your intentions, your expectations, and how you view your relationship. The worse thing that can happen then, usually, is they will say no. And there are billions of beautiful people on this blue ball of ours. :-)
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Re: relationships and Burning Man
Thu, April 17, 2008 - 9:24 PMGO TO OPRAH! GO TO OPRAH! GO TO OPRAH!
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Re: relationships and Burning Man
Tue, June 3, 2008 - 4:29 PMbump. if you've found some helpful advice elsewhere about relationships, share the link and help your fellow Virgin. :) -
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Re: relationships and Burning Man
Thu, June 5, 2008 - 1:37 PMI dont know about finding any links but I will share my point of view. It seems that a lot of the posts thus far have included relationships that are open. Or that are on the edges of being open to other people.
Just because everyone is nekkid and beautiful and running around having a great time DOES NOT MEAN that it is a free for all in the booty dept. The idea of clear lines of communication, trust and setting boundries ahead of time is MONUMENTAL to surviving on the playa in a relationship. But I just wanted to make clear that yes, while there are many people out there who are okay with being able to run off with anyone else and visa versa doesnt mean that that is okay for you and your partner. And it ESPECIALLY does not mean that the playa would be a good place to start. For vigins I guess this is just a warning to not feel pressured to go down that path, or any other path that you or your partner might feel unsure about.
I have been in an open relationship and I have been monogamous. For me I have decided that an open relationship is not for me. But I discovered this WAAY before ever going to the playa. With my current man we are strictly monogamous and we like it that way. That doesnt mean we dont oogle nekkid chicks and dudes, but we tend to do it together. Oddly enough we almost get along better on the playa then in real life :) and part of that is I think that we both make sure we are open and honest and communicate everything to each other. We are both aware of where each others boundries lie and it makes life sooooooo much fun when in the desert!!! WHy? Cause I'm not worrying who he talking to, or if I will come back to find some hottie draped over him. And visa versa. We spend a lot of time together or with our campmates while on the playa. If we do go off for ANY (and I say any because a quick run to the potties could last all day) reason we let the other know. Sure we spend time solo, I take Sunday afternoon off everyburn and go myself to the temple. He knows this is strictly me time and honors that. He also knows its sometimes a hard experience for me and is back at camp waiting for me to give hugs or a quiet ear should I need it.
Okay, now I'm off on a rant.......sorry :)
My main point was BM is not a monkey see monkey do kinda thing. Only do what you AND your partner are comfortable with and if you feel pressured or unsure then communicate that to your SO to make it a smooth and fun burn!!!
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