When should I arrive?

topic posted Sun, March 30, 2008 - 10:59 PM by  ganganol
Hello,

I am a virgin. I have my ticket for this year. When should I arrive? Should I be there when the gates open? Should I come later, or the next day? Does it matter? Please help.
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ganganol
Austin
  • Re: When should I arrive?

    Sun, March 30, 2008 - 11:18 PM
    Unless you are very familar with the layout, my thought would be to arrive at first light on Monday morning. The City can be overwhelming during the day. At night it is a huge dark wonderful maze. Also, will you be camping in an established theme camp or by yourself? If you have a registered theme it will be a lo easier.
  • Re: When should I arrive?

    Sun, March 30, 2008 - 11:20 PM
    As soon as you can! Although many people arrive at 12:01am Monday morning (Sunday night), that is the one time I would recommend NOT arriving; especially your first time.

    If you can arrive on Monday it is great, you get to be there the whole time; and the event changes as the week goes on. Spend Sunday night in Fernley or Reno, and then drive up early Monday morning. You arrive in daylight, which is much better than at night.

    Steven Goodman
    Apokiliptika - Biological and Chemical Weapons Division
    Art for the last day of the rest of you life
  • Re: When should I arrive?

    Sun, March 30, 2008 - 11:41 PM
    I have to agree with the guys here,

    Plan to arrive Monday, and personally, if you're not from a hot dry clime I'd say arrive around 5pm,

    that gives ya time to set camp before dark the first night, and ya don't have to do it in the hottest part of the day,

    then ya have the rest of the evening to take it easy, walk around the growing city and then get a good nights sleep.. giving yourself time to acclimate, for some it takes a day or two to get used to the elements..

    Ya wont be missin anything if ya get there Monday Afternoon, and ya wont be waiting in the line from hell either...

    might as well make your first time less stressful,

    and, begin to hydrate BEFORE arriving on the playa... even if ya have to make several stops along the way to pee, its best to be well hydrated before ya get there.. because you're gonna be busy gettin camp set and wanting to go see the sights,

    if you're already hydrated you'll feel better and have more energy to do what ya want

    and, be sure to be well rested before taking on that hwy. watch for free range cattle on the road, hittin one of those can really mess up your trip,

    also watch for the suicidal bunnies too, DON"T SWERVE to miss them, it's not worth losin control of your vehicle,

    there are no shoulders along hwy 447. ya have to plan ahead to find a place to pull over.. ya dont want to get off the road cuz there's lots of soft ground and we've seen lots of people stuck ,

    driving at night on that road if you've never been before can be tricky, it's better drivin in the daylight..

    whatever you decide, be safe, take it slow, and have a good time.....

    Bare
    • Re: When should I arrive?

      Mon, March 31, 2008 - 10:38 AM
      Thanks for the advice. Monday it is then.
      • Re: When should I arrive?

        Mon, March 31, 2008 - 9:23 PM
        My first year I stayed in Reno Sunday night, got up at around 4am, and then drove in. I arrived at about 7am on Monday, which was a good time to arrive. There wasn't much of a line, and there was still several hours of daylight to set up before things got really hot. Also, it seems that if the wind decides to pick up, it will generally do so in the afternoon, not in the morning. So early Monday morning would be my suggestion.

        Arriving in the dark on Sunday night is an amazing experience, but perhaps you can save that for your second burn.
        • Re: When should I arrive?

          Mon, March 31, 2008 - 11:36 PM
          Hatfield is correct, the winds do tend to pick up in the afternoon, So, if ya can arrive early morning then ya can usually get set up before the heat sets in,

          But, IF you are not accustomed to the heat ya may want to arrive later in the day, just so ya can set up towards evening and then have your first day on the playa begin evening time so ya can get a goods night sleep and not be as tired from driving

          its really difficult to get a nap mid day if its really hot, and being worn out the first day can make it difficult to catch up to yourself...

          for some people it takes 2-3 days to acclimate.... unless ya already live in High Altitude Desert Clime..

          I''m a flatland girl, so it's takes me a good day and a good sleep to get acclimated..

          whatever time ya get there. I am sure you'll be diggin it and runnin on adrenaline at least for a few hours...

          Bare
      • Re: When should I arrive?

        Fri, April 25, 2008 - 2:34 PM
        just a micro-adjustment to Bare's comment. I think that getting to the playa in the late afternoon is a great time, too, BUT...
        If you've been traveling all day (or two or three, depending on when you get there), your arrival may be timed with a big rush of exhaustion. And you will be overwhelmed and ga-ga-googled by what (ALL!!) will be going around you. And, likely, it will also still be hot, and may also be windy.

        So, my refinement: get there in the late afternoon, but don't plan on doing much. Walk around, gain your bearings, and soak in (exhilarate!!) the experience of experiencing the playa the first time. Don't put that aside just to get your stuff up. Get yourself set up for dark with the basics (warm clothes, headlamp) and pitch your tent (if you're tenting it). And get yourself fed (and plan on easy easy stuff) and hydrated. Other than that, just wander around and have fun, but don't get too carried away.

        then, plan on getting up early the next morning to get the rest of your camp set up. Even if you don't plan on being concious that early for the rest of the week, make an exception for this day. You'll be rested, having had at least some sleep after the rigors of "getting there", and in the cool of the morning, you'll be able to work without dealing with the heat, and then you'll have the rest of the day to play. And that night. And the next day/night/day/night/day/night (repeat for as long as you can!!)
    • Re: When should I arrive?

      Mon, March 31, 2008 - 10:52 PM
      in 2006 I saw elfs cavorting on the side of the road. Mind you this was 3 or 4 am after driving for 8 hours straight and getting only 3 hours of sleep in the previous 36 hours due to packing up the other camp vehicles, packing my own car, packing campmates crap on top of mine, buying jugs of water along the way, etc.

      if you need to pull over for a nap, make sure the shoulder is not soft.
      and watch out for the elves.
  • Re: When should I arrive?

    Mon, March 31, 2008 - 5:50 AM
    While the above replies give a more pragmatic view of when to arrive, I’ve got to share that arriving at 12:05 AM Monday (2006) for my virgin burn was an ethereal experience of the highest order! A friend and I had driven 42 sleepless hours straight (food, gas, and pits our only stops) and arrived at the front gate, our buzz-meters pegged after a case of red bull, endless chill music, good conversation, and riding the emotion of having arrived at a destination several years in the making! I’ll never forget the sight of the front gate in that small wee hour—an oasis of dusty brightness surrounding a huge bubble of raucous humanity and vehicles in the desert. We bonged the gong (as required of the virgins) and with abandon jumped through the rabbit hole, figuring the rest of it out on the fly!

    • Re: When should I arrive?

      Mon, March 31, 2008 - 8:32 AM
      The DOT would like to have a word with you ...
      • Re: When should I arrive?

        Mon, March 31, 2008 - 11:26 PM
        the last 2 years i've arrived on or close to the opening moment (midnight Sunday night), and I would suggest showing up later to abate the chaotic vibe, especially if you have ticket issues. Unless you dig that kinda vibe after a long days ride.

        And this year anticipate some confusion and congestion in the lots before the Gate, given the "new no ticket sales at the gates" rule. Last year it was kind of stressy at the will call window and Gate. they told me i'd get yelled at for trying to keep in visual contact with my pals car that was following me in, in a near whiteout, and I did. Not my idea of a great "Welcome Home".

        3 previous years I arrived in the early AM ( 4am - 8 am) it was smooth sailing, no lines and smiling faces. I perfer coming Home to that!
        • Re: When should I arrive?

          Tue, April 1, 2008 - 2:13 PM
          I really wish I had gotten this advice last year on my first trip last year. Arriving in mayhem and waiting around not knowing what was going on by myself wasn't so grand. also just sleeping 2 hours that first night wasn't so great either. Good thing the rest of the week was awesome!

          I'm definitely planning to arrive Monday morning around 5-6am this year!
          • Re: When should I arrive?

            Thu, April 24, 2008 - 2:59 PM
            Me too, and I agree.

            We went it, had no idea how to find our camp or where to go. We found the general area, but wandered aimlessly asking people if they were camping with or knew where we could fin "enter camp name here"?

            By the time we got our tent set up and our car unpacked... the sun was already coming up. And we got very little sleep before the heat of the day was beating down.

            Definitely going for Monday morning this year.
          • Re: When should I arrive?

            Fri, April 25, 2008 - 8:36 AM
            I luckily was with a a couple of people who's goal was to be there at sunrise on Monday morning.
            It was wonderful and didn't take more then 45 minutes to get in.
            Of course the line in is a great time to get your burn going. You can feel the energy from everyone and there is this feeling of community. A great time to give out a few "warm up" hugs and make new friends.
            • Re: When should I arrive?

              Sat, April 26, 2008 - 7:58 PM
              I think the fact that I will be a "burner" this year and not a virgin well also help with reducing confusion and frustration about the arrival process.
  • Re: When should I arrive?

    Fri, April 25, 2008 - 12:30 AM
    what is the earliest I could arrive to get in line?
    • Re: When should I arrive?

      Fri, April 25, 2008 - 1:10 AM
      there is actually a pre-staging lot on the sides of the entrance area (read "party area"). to the right is for cars/trucks and to the left is used for suckers trying to sneak their non-registered mutant vehicles through the gates. the non registered mutant vehicles get put there as they are not allowed inside. they've had a pretty good collection by wednesday usually.... LOL. suckers.
  • Re: When should I arrive?

    Sat, April 26, 2008 - 8:59 AM
    You guys all know that Burning Man is still a cacophony event, though it has been tamed and broken down for the masses lately ...

    ... what these "veterans" are not telling you is that the BIG party starts at midnight sharp on Monday morning. We all just drive in and park then get our party going, old-school style, before all the fresh meat gets in... We literally party like it is 1999 ...

    Hell, even LEO is not on site at that point, so it pretty much is anything goes like the old days.

    But seriously, you all should wait until daytime, so you don't get lost out there, cuz its real complicated for everyone in this day and age of digital watches and PDA phones. This is for your own protection. A clock face city layout and where each intersection has clear street signs... very dangerous at night.

    Remember, safety third!

    Now the really outrageous stuff takes place the following Monday night, after all you dusty folks spent hours in exodus line, you know, after everyone has been sweaty, dusty and sticky from a week of partying, but that topic deserves it's own unabridged thread, for sure.
    • Re: When should I arrive?

      Sat, April 26, 2008 - 7:54 PM
      > Hell, even LEO is not on site at that point, so it pretty much is anything goes like the old days.

      Not true, not wise, not helpful.

      Last year, within an hour or two of the gates having opened, LEOs had already handed out a bunch of open container tickets to people who cracked open a beer while looking for a place to park.
      • Re: When should I arrive?

        Sun, April 27, 2008 - 10:28 AM
        Exactly, they were all at the front gate handing out tickets, confiscating the booze and frisking people for weed.

        How do you think they get their booze and smoke for the week? Chasing folks down on the playa or just profiling them as they roll in?

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        ... but seriously, there wasn't a single piece of factual information in my post. The whole point of the post is to make a plausible statement using 100% pure disinformation. I do this every now and then to present an aspect of the Playa that folks may stumble upon. The whole Cacophony reference was a dead giveaway.
        • Re: When should I arrive?

          Mon, April 28, 2008 - 5:24 PM
          NO NEW SALES AT GATE! Do not expect to show up at the event and buy tickets this year. They have already made it very clear that there will be no new ticket sales at the gat!
  • Re: When should I arrive?

    Wed, May 14, 2008 - 1:46 AM
    I'm a virgin this year and I was wondering about arriving later in the week. I would love to get there on Monday, but my dad and I are going together and the earliest he can get off work is Wednesday. Has anyone ever gone later in the week? I have heard that mainly the people who want to just party and do drugs come later in the week and I don't really want to be lumped in with them if that is in fact the case. What do you all think about it?
    Thanks!
    • Re: When should I arrive?

      Wed, May 14, 2008 - 1:56 AM
      all the themecaps are to be in place and up and running by wednesday, and after wednesday the vehicles are to be parked unless you are arriving or leaving, or unless you have an art car licensed to be moving on the playa..

      its always fun to watch the city grow but if ya arrive on wednesday, or even thursday you wont miss too much...

      the later in the week ya arrive the more the energy has grown, and sometimes the later a person arrives it more difficult to catch up to the energy...

      whenever ya arrive, be sure to give yourself time to acclimate, it takes a day or two, for most people to get used to the playa, elevation and desert temps. so, be sure to hydrate on the way there, and allow for time to settle in so ya dont spend your days too tired to enjoy the time ya have..

      there is always something going on, so, no matter when ya arrive I am sure you'll find more than enough to keep you busy....

      and dont worry about being "lumped in" with the "weekend warrior" types. you'll be so busy enjoying your virgin experience that no one will accuse you of being like the weekend party crowd..

      come with an open mind and no expectations, and enjoy the time ya have, it's all about your own personal experience....

      Enjoy
      Bare
      • Re: When should I arrive?

        Wed, May 14, 2008 - 2:34 AM
        Thanks! I am always paranoid that I'm missing something (which is probably why I'm up at 2:30 am, but that's not the point).
        Acclimation shouldn't be much of a problem since I'm pretty much going from a backpacking trip in the Sierras to the playa, so hopefully I'll be able to dive right in. I'm really excited! I have no expectations whatsoever except that I'm going to have a good time no matter what.
  • Re: When should I arrive?

    Mon, May 19, 2008 - 8:48 AM
    2007 was my first year and I arrived at 2: pm on Monday. I can say that finding my site was easy and there was enough space to properly position my truck in the space to block the prevailing winds. Arriving on Monday was great because you get several days to be with the real burners before the party hounds arrived on the scene…..
    • Re: When should I arrive?

      Thu, May 22, 2008 - 7:17 PM
      Great thread!

      Question: Where do we camp if we are not part of a theme camp? Are we given a specific camping spot? Or is there a certain area slated for solo campers? Do we need a GPS tracker or something simlar to find our spot? I haven't seen any information anywhere related to this.
      • Re: When should I arrive?

        Thu, May 22, 2008 - 9:47 PM
        Yes, I was a little intimidated by this as well the first time. I was worried about getting invested in a spot, setting up a bunch of shit, only to be later told that I'd need to move.

        You are not given a specific camping spot, unless you are part of a theme camp. (Theme camps are assigned a particular spot, and the list of theme camp locations is usually leaked in advance of the event, even though it's not supposed to.)

        Anyway, when you enter, you'll be given a few things, one of which is a map which indicates which areas have been set aside for theme camps and villages. Anything that hasn't been set aside is fair game. Typically, stuff that's close to the esplanade is reserved, and stuff in the outer streets is not, but there are exceptions.

        It looks easy when you see the map, but it's sometimes not so easy when you're actually standing in the middle of a street wondering WTF?

        Fortunately, the placement crew (or is it DPW?) also marks the reserved areas, either with "Reserved for Theme Camps" sign, or little construction-site flags on wires. Mostly it's little flags on wires, so look for those. Basically, if you get to a spot and see either the signs, or the little wire flags, you can't camp there. If you don't see signs or flags, you're probably good to go. Still, it's not a bad idea to get out of your car, walk around, talk to a few people, introduce yourself, etc. Ask if they know the spot is being held, if they say no, it's yours.

        When you're all settled in, you can go to the information booth in center camp. They have a bunch of computer terminals that are tied to a database. You can register your camp location so friends can find you, and you can search for your friends.
        • Re: When should I arrive?

          Thu, May 22, 2008 - 10:46 PM
          when you arrive look for space that doesnt say "reserved for themecamps" any area that isn't reserved is open for your camping,

          it's a good idea that once you find a spot, park and go meet your neighbors BEFORE setting up, ask them if it's ok to camp there, sometimes there are camps that are expecting more people, and though we are not really supposed to "landgrab" it is usual that some camps will be holding some extra space for others that may be joining them later in the week,,

          Many times your neighbors will say its cool for ya to camp there, then ya can go about setting up. again, as long as it doesnt say "reserved" The map will also help you see what area is reserved.. anything that is not marked as reserved can be used by non themecamps

          If you arrive at night, it may be best to just set up a tent for the night, in case you cant tell if its an "open" camp area, then in daylight ya can figure it out...

          use as much land as ya need in the open area, themecamps are subject to specific area size, but open camping is not subject to the same rule, but, use what ya need and try not to spread out too excessively

          early in the week there is LOTS of room, but as the week goes on space tightens up some.. and ya have to share your are a bit more...

          trust me, there is plenty of space....

          if ya have ANY doubts or questions, look for the "Camp Placement" team, it's NOT DPW.... anyone with a golfcart and a radio can point you in the direction of the placement team if ya should need them...

          my bet is you'll be just fine when ya get there...

          my only suggestion to you, YES!, be sure to use your vehicles as "wind breaks" the winds come from all directions, but, most usually the winds come from the south-south west, moving across the playa to the north.... (correct me if I am wrong on that)

          YES, you can park your vehicles in your camp, but, after Wednesday you can't drive in the city unless you are leaving the city..

          (FYI, there is a $20.00 per person to go in and out of the city, but if ya need to go into town for anythng there is a bus that goes and I think the fee for that is $5.00 per person)

          We always have our domes front door opening towards the morning sun...... and place our vehicles behind the domes closest to the gate entrance...

          but again, hear it loud and clear, NOTHING stops the dust or winds... and they come from every direction...

          have a great time...

          Bare
          • Re: When should I arrive?

            Fri, May 23, 2008 - 10:46 AM
            Also, I might add that nothing stops the dust or winds. :)

            Seriously, though, the wind will be doing one of three things:

            1) barely blowing or not blowing at all, pretty common very late at night into morning

            2) steady prevailing wind, generally from SSW - can be anything from a breeze to, say 15-20 mph

            3) crazy-ass windstorm. If it's gonna happen, generally starts mid afternoon thru dusk. Turbulent shifting winds blow from all directions.

            In terms of setting up camp with a windblock in mind, there's nothing you need to do for Condition 1, and nothing you can do for Condition 3. That leaves Condition 2, and I agree that it makes some sense to use your vehicle as a block against the prevailing wind. Just keep in mind that you will get dust blown at you, sometimes at great velocity, no matter what you do.

            One other tip - my first year I brought a Cosco carport, and I set it up so the narrow side faced into the prevailing wind. This was a good idea - however, on the second day the direction of the prevailing wind shifted by about 20 degrees and stayed that way for the rest of the week. So either I mis-judged the direction of the wind the first day, or the first day's wind was a fluke.

            The moral of the story is - your setup must be able to withstand wind from every direction because at some point during the week, the wind will come from every direction. But most of the time the breeze will come from SSW-ish.

            HTH
            • Re: When should I arrive?

              Fri, May 23, 2008 - 12:08 PM
              I usually try to get there at Gates Open. Every year as the city's population increases I would have to arrive at the gates earler and early. I would suggest this Burn you leave Reno around 6 pm to get there when the gates open.

              Cross
              • Re: When should I arrive?

                Fri, May 23, 2008 - 2:43 PM
                How long do ya usually have to wait in line to get in if ya get there just as the gates opne,

                the road the past couple years has been so packed that the LEO's have had to hold traffic as far back as Nixon and Wadsworth....

                so, try not to be in so much of a hurry that ya ecome part of the Traffic issue at the gate....

                I Know everyone wants to be there as soon as it opens.. but truly, ya won't be missin anything, cept for the gate line traffic jam.... and it helps keep the LEO's in a much nicer mood.....

                Bare
                • Re: When should I arrive?

                  Fri, May 23, 2008 - 3:15 PM
                  Bare,

                  Back in 2005 I left Reno around 8 PM and got at the gate at midnight. Back then the City was only 30,000 people.

                  In 2007 We left Reno around 7PM and got in the gate at 2 AM. Last Burn the City was at 60,000. Everybody wants to get in at Gate Open. As the city size increases so the the amount of people on the road. Plus, you must factor in any dust storm that might hold things up.

                  So if you want to be there at Gates Open... leave Reno early. Sit back and just enjoy the ride.

                  C-
                • Re: When should I arrive?

                  Fri, May 23, 2008 - 3:59 PM
                  >> the road the past couple years has been so packed that the LEO's have had to hold traffic as far back as Nixon and Wadsworth.... <<

                  Now that is one big Playa Chicken.

                  The road did back up to Gerlach, I would even consider Empire as plausible, but Nixon ... no way. Nixon to Gerlach is 60 miles. Maybe there are enough cars at BM to take up 73 miles bumper to bumper, but they do not all get there at the same time, I guarantee that. Exodus, that is a different story.

                  In 2006 we arrived at ~ 8pm on Sunday. The gate was already open. The greeters told us that LEO asked the gates be opened at 6pm because the line was disrupting Gerlach traffic for the locals. There was no line to get to Will Call and only a small line out of the will call parkin g lot.

                  In 2007 we got there ~ 10PM on Sunday, gate was open and there was a much longer line. It was exactly midnight as we cleared Will Call and entered the city.

                  Who knows what will happen this year. The bottom line is that folks drive far and long to get to the event. Do not panic if you get there a few hours early or late from your chosen time.
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                    Re: When should I arrive?

                    Fri, May 23, 2008 - 4:16 PM
                    I didn't say it was backed up to Nixon, I said the traffic was being held there until the road ahead was cleared a little, Gate ended up being told to open the gate early to get the traffic off the road so that the traffic being held in nixon could proceed...

                    if the road backs up they have to open the gates early, though it may be cool for the people wanting in early, it creates an entire scenario for the ORG,

                    please, honor the opening time and try not to be part of the traffic issues that create more issues that many are not even aware of...

                    Respectfully
                    Bare