Leucistic Rat Snakes

topic posted Sat, August 26, 2006 - 3:18 PM by  wendy
I have a blk/wht banded cali king and I am ready for just one more snake. I want a Leucistic Rat Snake....I have read a few things and have a question. What are the differences between the Texas Leucistic Rat and just the Leucistic Rat? Other than the obvious...LOL But really...I have read that rat snakes in general have tempers (heck...so does my cali king but I am use to that...a skiddish bread they are) and wonder if one is more aggressive than another? Are there size differences? Any thing? I really love white snakes but not interested in the corn because I dont want pink eyes....I dont tend to lean towards the white kings either because they tend to have yellow specks on them. If you haven't seen what I am talking about then go to my most recent blog...there is a picture ....beautiful!!! Please school me....Peace _/\_ ps. Did you know that these white rats are sacred in Japan? Just read that yesterday...
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wendy
Virginia
  • Re: Leucistic Rat Snakes

    Tue, October 31, 2006 - 12:22 PM
    Hi, Wendy!

    I, too, am looking for a pure white snake. I considered the Leucistic Rat Snake but have decided to go with a Blizzard Corn Snake instead. I actually have a Common Black Rat Snake (same species as the Leucistic Rat Snake you have pictured in your previous post) named Persephone. She was a gift from a friend, who was ordering two kinds of Rat Snakes whose coloration would end up at least mostly black as adults, for his daughter. He wanted to give her a choice between the Common Black Rat Snake and the Amur Rat Snake (IIRC), and she chose the later. My friend said that the breeder he ordered them from promised to send the most mellow hatchling from the clutch of Black Rat Snakes, which gave me my first warning that they might be a snappy breed. When she arrived, she was barely the size of a pencil, but had my rather large male friend totally cowed. She was indeed very snappy, and had bitten him and his daughter several times.

    Well, I might be snappy too if I'd just been mailed across the country in a tube! I think she was pretty well freaked at first.

    She even had me a little intimidated at first -- but then, my previous snake, a boa constrictor, had died several years before and I hadn't handled a snake in a while. But I was very patient with her, and she has mellowed out quite nicely. She's now two years old, and has only snapped at me once so far since I brought her home -- and that was very shortly after her arrival. She's not actually bitten me yet. She can put on quite a defensive show for our dogs from time to time -- she seems quite alert and bold, and has bitten them on the nose when they got too close an a couple of occasions. Rather comical, really -- they are huge, curious, gentle Scottish Deerhounds and she's still rather small. Despite the size discrepancy, she was quite determined to let them know she would rip their face off (or at least a whisker or two) if they got too close. Recently, she's taken to buzzing her tale -- seemingly in excitement -- when feeding. I feed her live prey. So I do not doubt that the Black Rat Snake's reputation is earned.

    Since you've found the South Mountain Reptiles site, you might want to email the breeder there with your questions. I did, and found him to be very prompt and helpful. I, too, prefered the more natural colored eyes in the leucistic Black Rat snake, to the pink eyes in the Blizzard Corn snake. He was frank about the problems with temperament in the Black Rats, including the Leucistics. He described them as being far less tameable than the corn snakes. He even went so far as to say he considered them dangerous, and that he doesn't use that word often. While I am generally very good with animals, and so far have had no problems with Persephone, I decided to go with the Blizzard Corn Snake instead -- and to continue to handle Persephone frequently! As I said to Don at South Mountain Reptiles, it is a lot easier to maintain a reputation for being good with animals if one is careful about which animals one selects first!

    But if someone were to offer me a Leucistic Black Rat Snake hatchling for free, as happened with Persephone, I'm not so put off the breed that I'd necessarily refuse! I'd want to know why the offer, and what temperament had so far been displayed (among other things). And if I accepted it, I'd simply know that I would have two snakes needing careful and frequently handling and care to help them become and remain mellow (hopefully). And hope for the best.

    However, for me, my preference for normal eyes was not great -- pink eyes will be fine. So, it was a no-brainer to go for the Blizzard Corn Snake -- especially since they were also less expensive!

    I really can't address the issue of differences in temperament, etc. between the leucistic Texas Rat snake and the leucistic Black Rat snake. I've read a few things that implied that the Texas Rat snake might be even more snappy than the Black Rat, but I would suggest that you email Don at South Mountain Reptiles with your questions. I'm impressed that he seems to know his snakes, and is very helpful and prompt in his responses.

    Good luck in your search!

    Dr.Dorothy
    • Re: Leucistic Rat Snakes

      Wed, November 1, 2006 - 6:18 AM
      Thank you so much for your response, personal experience, and advise. I was wondering if anyone would ever have any advice regarding that old post! LOL....thanks so much....

      Wendy
  • Re: Leucistic Rat Snakes

    Tue, October 31, 2006 - 12:36 PM
    We have an albino Red Rat Snake at work that you can barely see any markings. She's beautiful and rather large. I'd love to see an adult Snowy colored Boa. Talk about striking.
    • Re: Leucistic Rat Snakes

      Wed, November 22, 2006 - 4:53 PM
      I just today got a leucistic Texas Rat Snake, It's 5' and very a good temperment.
      It has never had a name so now the fun part. Naming it.
      • Re: Leucistic Rat Snakes

        Tue, November 28, 2006 - 8:50 PM
        After handling my LTRS more he is still docile, no nipping or biting. He seems calm yet curious. So I guess he has been handled a lot.
        • Re: Leucistic Rat Snakes

          Fri, December 1, 2006 - 11:32 AM
          We are going to a snake show next Saturday the 9th so If they have white leucistic Rats I'm all on it! LOL Congrats on your new snake.....

          For those of you who know Zuni...I dont think he is ever coming back...it has been over 3 months with no trace.....so either he is dead or the dogs got to him...poor baby!

          Well..we'll fill his old tank with our new white.....

          do you have a picture up yet? I'll go check it out...

          w
          • Re: Leucistic Rat Snakes

            Tue, February 19, 2008 - 4:42 AM
            an update to Zuni..
            He was found in Wendy's house! Though since she now had a new baby, having 3 was a lot. I adopted Zuni from her and he is doing fabulously! :)
  • Re: Leucistic Rat Snakes

    Tue, January 9, 2007 - 5:32 PM
    Well, I think it is time for a follow-up (and confession) on my first comment. At the time I posted, I was having medical issues and it looked like I might have to have surgery, so I postponed ordering any new snake. I had my surgery on Dec 5th, and there were several complications, leading to an 11-day hospital stay (as opposed to the 4 days we had expected) so it was a good thing I had waited. But within only 2-3 days of my return home, I wanted my snake, so I went to South Mountain Reptiles' website to see what he might have still in stock.

    He was out of Blizzard Corn Snakes, but did have a couple of Leucistic Black Rat Snake hatchlings left for sale, one with blue eyes, and one with red eyes (I didn't know they came with red eyes too!) The red-eyed one had not yet been sexed, but the blue-eyed one was a female, which is the sex I had hoped to get, so, after an exchange of emails, I purchased her! I asked Don what behavior/temperament she had so far displayed, and she said that so far, she'd been quite sweet.

    And so far, she continues to be so. Despite shipping problems (a Fedex plane had mechanical problems) she arrived in fine condition (if somewhat cold). She warmed up in my hands and has been a charming, sweet thing since. She has "struck" at me only three times in the time I've had her, so far, and seems to enjoy being handled. She's very beautiful, and very young (hatch date was in September 2006), so her scales are nearly translucent, giving her a pinkish cast. I'm sure she will become more boldly white as she grows more adult, thicker scales. There is no sign of any patterning whatsoever. Her eyes look more silver than blue so far, with dark pupils. I expect they may become more blue as she grows.

    So, I didn't get a Blizzard Corn Snake after all. I plan to continue to handle my Leucistic Black Rat snake frequently and lovingly.

    She's a delight. I've named her Kallisto Aglaia, and am very glad to welcome her into our home and heart, as I would have welcomed and loved a Blizzard Corn Snake. And not-so-secretly, given that she is so far being so sweet, I'm tickled to have the normal-eyed white I preferred.

    -- Dorothy
    • Re: Leucistic Rat Snakes

      Wed, January 10, 2007 - 6:31 AM
      Congrats on your new pet Dorothy! I love my white texas rat and she is a charm...very wiggly but she hasn't struck at me yet...man...my cali king had napoleons syndrom and struck ALL of the time...he was a fart! ha Yes..regular handeling will calm them....cant wait to see a picture!
      • Re: Leucistic Rat Snakes

        Tue, February 19, 2008 - 8:42 AM
        I just came in and read the Napoleon's Syndrome part. I had a good laugh, and I think I will borrow that term. We have some animals here with that issue.
    • Re: Leucistic Rat Snakes

      Thu, January 11, 2007 - 7:10 AM
      Oh....please post a picture of her!
      • Re: Leucistic Rat Snakes

        Sun, March 23, 2008 - 6:29 PM
        I have a Texas Baird's Rat snake that was already 4 years old when I adopted him from someone who barely ever handled him... He would do the tail swoosh thing whenever I so much as breathed in his direction, but he still has never even made an attempt to bite me!

        His main objective when I first started handling him was to run away as fast as possible, but he seems to have calmed down and gotten used to me over time. :)
        • Re: Leucistic Rat Snakes

          Fri, March 28, 2008 - 7:36 PM
          Hi everyone, I have a couple of questions.
          I have been trying to read up on the differences between Corn snakes and Rat snakes, to try to find the best snake match for me possible.
          I have never had a snake before, which is why I was initially interested in a corn snake, as everyone says they are best for beginners. But recently I have been thinking that the corn snake may end up being a bit too small, and it seems Rat snakes grow a bit larger on average? On care sheets, it says that Corn snakes *can* reach 5 and even 6 feet sometimes, and that is a perfect size for me, but there is really no guarantee that they *will* get that big is there? So do the Black Rat snakes reach that size more often? I also like the shape of their head, and the eyes of the leucistic rat snakes are sooo cute.
          My other questions/issues are temperment. I would eventually, one day in the distance future, like to dance with my snake, and I know most dancers prefer boas or pythons but they are *too* big for me (I prefer the thin bodied snakes). Corns usually have a very mild temperment, are Rat snakes similar?
          Am I searching for the impossible here? lol (sometimes I feel like maybe I am being too picky, I want a nice snake that is calm and likes to be handled, not too big and not too small, that also looks nice). But at the same time I feel it is important to do my research and pick a snake that really appeals to me and feels like the 'right' one.
          Any thoughts/opinions/experiences with the Corn vs Rat dilemma?
          • Re: Leucistic Rat Snakes

            Sun, March 30, 2008 - 7:21 AM
            How about a Brazilian Rainbow Boa? They stay thinner in the body and still get 5-6 ft. I have two one is still very small (Baby) but my female is almost 5 ft now and is only 2 1/2 yrs old. She is not mature in the body yet . I have a new pic of her in my profile I'll post it here.

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