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Alabama's Anti-Gay Attorney General Caught in Bed with Male Aide
AG Troy King opposed sale of 'obscene devices'
By: Mark Kernes
Posted: 07/13/2008
MONTGOMERY, Ala. - Okay; who said the following?
"The existence of the Gay-Lesbian Alliance on this campus is an affront to the state of Alabama, its citizenry, this university and its students."
"Currently, AIDS is the most behavior-oriented disease known to mankind. If this nation's current purveyors of perversion would refrain from committing sodomy, they would unquestioningly be spared the ravages of the disease."
"It is indeed sad that America has fallen to the point where she will condone any type of deviant, immoral activity in which a group desires to participate."
"I often hear the argument that homosexuals who live together create a loving, caring family environment, perhaps an environment which is even superior to that which can be provided by a heterosexual couple. In this day of rampant decadence, many homosexuals would mislead society into believing that three men, an armadillo and a house plant create a functional family."
If you guessed "Troy King, Attorney General of Alabama," give yourself a cigar!
That would be the same Troy King who, within the last couple of weeks - no exact date available - was caught by his wife Paige in bed with a male aide - in fact, a former "Homecoming King" from King's undergraduate days at Troy University - and subsequently thrown out of the couple's house.
Of course, King is best known to AVN readers as the current defendant in retailer Sherri Williams' fight to legalize the sale of "obscene devices" - adult novelties whose purpose is sexual stimulation - in the Eleventh Circuit (Alabama, Georgia, Florida), which case has been before a trial court three times, the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals twice, and was recently rejected for certiorari by the U.S. Supreme Court.
Williams' case will also be the subject of a segment on ABC's "20/20" this Friday night.
"I don't know Troy King any more than having sat across the table from him during appeals hearings," Williams told AVN today. "But in my experience, it's the guys that are the guiltiest that prosecute the hardest."
The 40-year-old King, according to his Wikipedia entry, has three children, is a practicing Baptist, is anti-abortion - he once decried "the terrible 'cleansing' of the wombs that is carried on in the butcher shops we call abortion clinics" - attended the University of Alabama Law School and has been involved in several scandals while serving as Alabama's Attorney General, a job he obtained after his predecessor, Bill Pryor, was elevated to the Eleventh Circuit bench by President Bush in a recess appointment.
But while rumors that Gov. Bob Riley will ask for King's resignation in the wake of the bedroom discovery are unconfirmed, the announcement that King was named to be state campaign chairman of presidential candidate John McCain's Leadership Team in Alabama has been removed from McCain's Website, and King's hopes to succeed Riley as governor in 2010 appear to be over as well.
After all, as someone reportedly advised Lyndon Johnson as he was beginning his first term as U.S. Senator from Texas, "Once elected, a politician can stay in office until they are caught in bed with a dead prostitute or a live boy."
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Re: Alabama and fundie hypocrisy exposed!
Mon, July 21, 2008 - 3:54 PMIt would seem that opposition to homosexuality is killing attendance in Christian Churches.
www.venturacountystar.com/news/...shift/
Young Americans are increasingly turning away from Christianity and expressing negative views of the faith, according to a startling new survey by Ventura-based Barna Group.
Only 60 percent of 16- to 29-year-olds describe themselves as Christians, according to Barna Group President David Kinnaman. He believes that figure represents "a momentous shift," noting that 77 percent of Americans over age 60 consider themselves Christians.
"Each generation is becoming increasingly secular," said Kinnaman, who details the findings in his new book "unChristian" (Baker Books).
What's more, young people — Christians and non-Christians alike — feel increasingly disillusioned with the church, according to the results of Kinnaman's three-year research project involving 305 churchgoers and 440 outsiders.
Among young non-Christians, nine out of the top 12 perceptions of Christianity were negative. Large majorities called the church judgmental (87 percent), hypocritical (85 percent) and too involved with politics (75 percent).
Seventy-six percent said Christianity is based on "good values and principles," but many expressed the view that the church has turned away from the teachings of Jesus. Only 16 percent said they have a "good impression" of Christianity.
Even more strikingly, half of young churchgoers agreed with those negative perceptions.
"One of the defense mechanisms Christians use is believing this (unfavorable attitude toward the church) is the result of a negative, or at least skeptical, media," Kinnaman said. "There is certainly some truth to that.
"But what people have told us in this research is they're basing their feelings on their own experiences. Frequently they said, I realize not every Christian is judgmental or hypocritical, but for me, that has been a common experience.'"
Kinnaman and his collaborator on the study, Atlanta-based Gabe Lyons, are both committed Christians, and their book is aimed largely at an audience of church leaders. It is likely to make many of its readers distinctly uncomfortable.
"One of the defining characteristics of youth development in America is going through a Christian church," Kinnaman said. "More than four out of five teenagers will spend at least six months in a Christian church. They tried it, but it was a bad experience. It left a flat taste."
As he was finishing his book, Kinnaman encountered a woman who went through precisely that experience. Checking into a Carpinteria hotel he hoped would provide a distraction-free environment for writing, he struck up a conversation with a woman at the front desk.
"She told me, I was in a church for a while, but I have a son, and every time people tried to help me, they would tell me that being a single mom is not a good way to parent.' "
Not surprisingly, she did not stay in the congregation very long.
"Judgmentalism is a sticky substance that puts distance between our hearts and other human beings," Kinnaman said. "It says that we are somehow better. It marginalizes the other person. That doesn't mean we don't recognize and affirm people's fundamental brokenness, but we also recognize and affirm their fundamental goodness."
Chris Hall, pastor of the recently founded Catalyst Ventura ministry, was not surprised by Kinnaman's findings. "Unfortunately, there is a loud minority within the Christian church that has said some really stupid things," he said. "We need to stop looking at ourselves as people who have arrived at the answers."
One key issue that is alienating young Americans from most Christian denominations is homosexuality. According to the survey, 91 percent of young non-Christians and 80 percent of young Christians describe the church as "anti-homosexual."
Numerous surveys have shown a growing majority of young Americans have a relaxed, tolerant attitude toward homosexuality. A 2001 Kaiser Family Foundation poll found that 60 percent of Americans ages 17 to 29 support same-sex marriage.
"In some ways, homosexuality is the defining issue that has contributed to the negative perceptions (of Christianity), and our response to it will determine how things take shape in the next decade or so," Kinnaman said.
The issue is a tricky one for those who believe the Bible condemns homosexuality (an interpretation not universally shared among Christians, and currently the subject of heated debate among Episcopalians). In Hall's view, part of the answer is to stop the loud and vociferous condemnation of what he sees as simply one sexual transgression among many.
"How did homosexuality become such a huge issue for us?" he asked. "As I see it, it's no different than any other sexual sin."
"One pastor I know says, We shouldn't speak about this issue unless we have close friends who are gay,'" Kinnaman added.
Overall, Kinnaman was impressed with the thoughtful and nuanced nature of the responses he received.
"Faith is much more complex than we like to admit sometimes," he said "Some self-described atheists or agnostics will meditate or do yoga as a spiritual exercise. Among Christians, you will also find people who meditate, as well as some who believe in reincarnation.
"So it's very much a smorgasbord of picking and choosing. It's very hard to put your finger on a person and say, Now I've got you figured out.' Labels create distance between us."
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Re: Alabama and fundie hypocrisy exposed!
Mon, July 21, 2008 - 6:33 PMAs yet ANOTHER "Perfect Heterosexual Good Christian Man",in his PERFECT Holy Hetero Christian Marriage (with Children!) has been caught in bed experiencing sex with another YOUNG Man!
UGH...Heterosexual CHRISTIANS! ...Sooooo Moral and Soooooo Purrrrrfect!...Another One Bites the DUST!
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Re: Alabama and fundie hypocrisy exposed!
Mon, July 21, 2008 - 7:03 PMOh god, I'm from Alabama and I live in TX. WHHHYYYY??????
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Re: Alabama and fundie hypocrisy exposed!
Wed, July 23, 2008 - 7:20 AM"Chris Hall, pastor of the recently founded Catalyst Ventura ministry, was not surprised by Kinnaman's findings. "Unfortunately, there is a loud minority within the Christian church that has said some really stupid things," he said. "We need to stop looking at ourselves as people who have arrived at the answers.""
I actually disagree here but not in a way you may expect. It is not that they need to stop looking at themselves as people with answers but recognize that they have zero answers. Their religious views entail a normative system that is not just flawed but gangrenous; their religious views are hostile to science; their religious views depend upon a toxic doxastic system. -
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Wed, July 23, 2008 - 1:38 PM
These fundies are out of their minds (but, we already knew that!) :)(:
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Just what every fundie needs for $40 bucks a year..... thiis is a ludicrous scam! Let's hope they all sign up and their bogus e-mail server suddenly crashes! :)(:
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Re: Alabama and fundie hypocrisy exposed!
Thu, July 24, 2008 - 6:23 AMThis is an awesome Christian Scam! May ALL devout Xtians take part in it and realise just how utterly STUPID a belief in their Faith really Is!
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Re: Alabama and fundie hypocrisy exposed!
Thu, July 24, 2008 - 10:20 AMI just found a brilliant analysis of the Christianoid delusion, and of other brands of religion as well. It appears in "Psychonaut" by Peter J. Carroll, an essay on chaos magic found in his "Liber Null & Psychonaut", a classic text in the field. He analyzes the process as follows:
"Most mystics and religiously oriented magicians describe their mystical experience in terms of transcendence. They describe themselves as having been swept up into something far greater, as a leaf in a hurricane, or as a teardrop slipping into an ocean. They claim that their own ego has been obliterated and merged into unsion with godhead. Nothing of the sort has occurred. They have merely employed some form of gnostic exaltation to inflate their own ego into an immense version of god that they have been carefully cultivating. The process differs not one whit from that employed by the black magician who also inflates his ego to cosmic dimensions, save that the religious types need a god in whose name to advance their own interests. They may also make a passing show of humility to conceal from themselves the enormity of their megalomania."
A penetrating and instructive analysis, I believe, one well worth careful study. This accounts for the extreme form of the Christianoid disease that leaves them with the delusion that they have the authority to edit the thought processes and opinions of other people, as well as (perhaps most importantly for their egomania) the behavior of others.
The only "moral/religious values I follow are those of Thelema and of chaos magick:
1. Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
2. Love is the law, love under will.
3. Every man and every woman is a star.
4. Thou hast no right but to do thy will.
5. Nothing is real.
6. Everything is permitted.
These, properly applied will resolve all disputes over rights and laws.
And that is why my practice of Christianity has no resemblance to that of any formal, organized church.
With love under will,
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Re: Alabama and fundie hypocrisy exposed!
Thu, July 24, 2008 - 7:58 PM<<<5. Nothing is real., 6. Everything is permitted. >>>
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Re: Alabama and fundie hypocrisy exposed!
Thu, July 24, 2008 - 9:21 PMTroy will plead:
"I Uh...had a moment of WEAKNESS..forgive me ohh Lord"(and uhm..WIFE)....!
Ohhhh PLEEEEZE! This one's as old as Stonewall Itself! It seems EVERY "Good Christian Family Man" caught in bed with another Man uses this PATHETIC Excuse!
This just underscores how very WEAK Christians are!
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Re: Alabama and fundie hypocrisy exposed!
Mon, July 28, 2008 - 11:28 AM>>>Where do we get to sign up? :)(:<<<
That's the beauty of it, David. There's no signing up for anything, nothing to sign and nothing to sign up for. The decision to be free is one each makes for himself. The only reason for joining anything is when free men and women band together to defend their freedom against those who would try to bring them back into slavery--slavery to some god or to some standard of "civilized behavior" or to some vision of economic utopia, or any other such scam for bringing wealth and power to the few by stealing the assets and labor of the many.
But the decision to be free is entirely an individual affair. You merely have to choose to be guided by your own decisions and your own interests, both short-term and long-term. There is no organization to join, no dues to pay, no rules to follow except the ones you choose for yourself to support your own goals and interests--your own life. Anything that does not contribute to your Light, Life, Love and Liberty is your foe, exposing you to Darkness, Death, Detestation and Despotism. If you choose the Light, then you reject the Darkness. If you choose Life, then you must reject what leads to Death. If you choose Love, then you will reject Detestation and Despite. If you choose Liberty, then you will reject Despotism and all Despots. It's only the four Ls or the four Ds, and you make the difference yourself by exercising the fifth D, the key to everything else, the key of Decision.
Forgive my low taste for wordplay and try to understand what I'm trying to get across. It's really that simple.
With love under will,
Bob, Adastra,
The Wizzard of Jacksonville
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Re: Alabama and fundie hypocrisy exposed!
Sun, July 27, 2008 - 3:50 PM>>>That doesn't mean we don't recognize and affirm people's fundamental brokenness, but we also recognize and affirm their fundamental goodness."<<<
i respectfully suggest that it is not "people's brokenness" that the Christianoids must recognize, but their own. So long as they feel it is their right and their responsibility to "fix" people, just so long will they be a stink in the nostrils of heaven and a reproach to real Christians everywhere (the several hundred of us who are still here anyway.) As their teacher once said, "Physician, heal thyself." They won't do that, in fact, they can't do that. They should pray that god will remove the two-by-four from their eyes instead of trying to pull the toothpick out of someone else's. God knows, I have enough trouble trying to deal with my own lumber without trying to tote somebody else's. The Apostle Paul, in one of his letters, called himself the "chief of sinners." At least he had the wisdom to refrain from trying to correct everyone else's mistakes and focus on correcting his own.
With love under will,
Bob, Adastra, WOJ
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Propaganda Points
Thu, July 24, 2008 - 10:54 AMAnd these are just the more obvious ones.
>>>"Currently, AIDS is the most behavior-oriented disease known to mankind. If this nation's current purveyors of perversion would refrain from committing sodomy, they would unquestioningly be spared the ravages of the disease."<<<
Unquestionably? Where has this clown been? Apparently he has never heard that smoking cigarettes can lead to lung cancer, that children who eat flakes of lead-based paint can develop brain damage. By what standard does he claim that these diseases are not so "behavior-oriented" as HIV? How about the hatters of the Victorian era who inspired the phrase "mad as a hatter" because the lead used in the making of felt led to the inhalation of lead fumes, making them mad? Is the moron in question so demented he would deny that one's occupation sometimes involves certain behaviors that can affect one's health? Come to think of it, it's probably impossible to keep up with current events when one's head is so far up one's butt that no sunlight can make it in that far.
Let's dismiss this claim that AIDS (or rather HIV) is "the most behavior-oriented disease known to mankind." It is clearly not true. I suspect it is not even the most widely -spread "behavior-oriented disease" we know of. How about lung cancer in smokers. I would be willing to bet that the number of cases of lung cancer from smoking is far greater than the number of cases of HIV from "sodomy". In fact, the idea that only sodomy causes HIV is clearly false to begin with. How many cases of HIV have developed in people who regularly engage in heterosexual intercourse in the missionary positition, "vanilla sex"? Perhaps one of the partners in such unions has been unfaithful in ways involving more "chocolate sex", if I may be permitted this somewhat whimsical expression. Perhaps one of the partners has simply had the bad luck to have accepted a blood transfusion from a diseased donor. This can hardly be the fault of the victim as King implies; his or her behavior is not culpable.
>>>"It is indeed sad that America has fallen to the point where she will condone any type of deviant, immoral activity in which a group desires to participate."<<<
Another grand, untrue assumption. Why does Mr. King not repeat that to the FLDS peeps who were arrested in El Dorado, TX, on charges of child sex-abuse? Does he mean to imply that pedaphilia is moral and normative? Maybe the police should check into his potential for sexual predation. Maybe he means that the FLDSers weren't really arrested; they only imagined they were and the media played along with their paranoia as a joke to lighten up a slow news day. Why do these Christianoid meddlers not think about the implications of the extravagant claims they make. Oh, wait, of course, it's because they are unable to think clearly while breathing farts. And, of course, they value piety more than sense. More's the pity. I might think it's because King lives in Alabama were it not for the fact that I have friends from Alabama who are good, sane people of liberal views. Some of them might have been gay themselves, but if I remember correctly, he was from Louisiana, so he doesn't count. Good guy, though.
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Thu, July 24, 2008 - 4:25 PMAccording to the CDC there are more deaths each year from "Lung Cancer" from Cigarette Smoking than from ANY other known Illness.
SO..the #1 "Behavior Oriented Disease" in the World is NOT AIDS,but "Cigarette Smoking".
Lets face it...Smoking of ANY Kind including my own Cigar and Pipe Smoking is IN FACT a "Behavior Oriented" act. We as Adults have the CHOICE to Smoke or NOT Smoke,it is a Behavior that is learned and copied at a very young age,usually from watching another Adult do the act of Smoking.
So Smoking is DEFINATLY a "Behavior Oriented Act" and the resulting Lung Cancer from it is a "Behavior Oriented Disease".
How many Christians do you suppose are Cigarette Smokers Worldwide? A HELLOVA LOT!(Millions!)
This 40 yr old Christian Evangelical TROLL (Troy) is simply trying to justify his narrow minded Christian Views. But the question remains...How WILL He "Justify" enguaging in Sex with another MAN to his Wife and Children especially since his Wife caught him IN THEIR BED with the Man in question?(a "Family Freind" no less!)
Caught YOU with your Mouth on another man's DICK you Confused Xtian Bigot! Now "Christian-Moral" your way out of THIS One!
I just LUV IT when Heterosexually Married Good Christian Family Men get caught in bed with other Men.and this Christian Bigot REALLY Blew It!
I am ceartain there has been a call for Troy's IMMEDIATE Resignation as as Atlanta's Attourney General,If I lived in Atlanta Georgia I'd DEMAND IT. -
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Thu, July 24, 2008 - 7:55 PM
FYI - this is too much fun to report ---> there's a really obnoxious, fervant, charismatic Xtian local school board president, that writes angry letters to the newspaper with violent condemnations of gays, Gay Pride Marches and California Gay Marriage laws... u know the type..... absolutely no sex ed, no abortion cuz endangering the life of the mother is ok, no teaching of evolution, et. al., well, last weekend, his Xtian wife caught him in bed with TWO local male prostitutes, they were NOT using condoms, they were high on pot and whiskey and when his wife clutched her heaving bosom in horror, he asked to "jump into bed and <ahem> get off!" Now I wish I smoked cigars, cuz I would ask Jake to borrow one of his, so i can really enjoy this moment!! This is gonna be a really big scandal around here....can't wait to hear what happens next! Another one bites the DUST! :)(:
What is it with these psychotic-paranoid Xtians..... the more they decry their hatred for gays, the more they get caught being in bed with them. The more fervant they are, the more insane they become.... is their need to find a scapegoat to hate so strong, that they cannot even manage to live their lives without expressing their stupidity and hatred? Probably, they are fighting their own gay impulses and projecting their self-hatred onto others for dramatic effect and extreme denial. So when they crash and burn, it's all the more humiliating for them! :)(: I just wish we didn't have to witness their endless pathetic psychodramas! :)(: -
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Thu, July 24, 2008 - 10:11 PM<What is it with these psychotic-paranoid Xtians..... the more they decry their hatred for gays, the more they get caught being in bed with them. The more fervant they are, the more insane they become.... is their need to find a scapegoat to hate so strong, that they cannot even manage to live their lives without expressing their stupidity and hatred? Probably, they are fighting their own gay impulses and projecting their self-hatred onto others for dramatic effect and extreme denial. So when they crash and burn, it's all the more humiliating for them! :)(: I just wish we didn't have to witness their endless pathetic psychodramas! :)(:>
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Fri, July 25, 2008 - 7:22 AMOhh..HER?
Yeah "she" was an Outragious Drag Queen who hosted "Drag Balls"(sex orgies with her guest's in drag!) from the 1930's into the 1960's He was the first Director of the FBI and appointed by President Herbert Hoover and FIVE U.S. President's "could not get rid of him fast enough"!
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Sun, July 27, 2008 - 10:55 AMDavid,
<What is it with these psychotic-paranoid Xtians..... the more they decry their hatred for gays, the more they get caught being in bed with them.>
On the subject of propaganda, why do you attribute this psychosis to Christianity?
What is it about these gay men that allows them to pretend to hold to the values of a religion rooted in the love of God through Christ, when they don't really believe it?
Why are they leading the attack against men like themselves?
What is it about these gay men that causes them to fervently promote anti-homosexual sentiment, and even the hatred of other gay men, rather than promote tolerance and love for who they really are?
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Sun, July 27, 2008 - 11:52 AM<What is it about these gay men that causes them to fervently promote anti-homosexual sentiment, and even the hatred of other gay men, rather than promote tolerance and love for who they really are?>
I call it, The "Do it to Julia" syndrome.
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Sun, July 27, 2008 - 4:03 PM>>>What is it about these gay men that causes them to fervently promote anti-homosexual sentiment, and even the hatred of other gay men, rather than promote tolerance and love for who they really are?<<<
I suspect it is self-loathing stemming from a lifetime of brainwashing by Christianoid bigots. They try to sublimate their hatred for themselves by rushing into judgement against others like themselves. If they were to practice love and tolerance they would be able to love and tolerate themselves, don't you think? Whatever God's opinion of gays (and i don't presume to know what HIs opinion is), I believe He is very clear on the point that judgment is His job, His responsibility and His prerogative and that we, His children are not to be jogging His ebow as He works. -
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Sun, July 27, 2008 - 5:14 PM<I suspect it is self-loathing stemming from a lifetime of brainwashing by Christianoid bigots.>
Perhaps.
<The "Do it to Julia" syndrome.>
This seems the more universal principle, as it extends beyond a Christianoid context.
Maybe they were having a good laugh that they were pulling one over on the Christians and they were having to much fun and gaining to much power to stop. I don't know.
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Sun, July 27, 2008 - 6:42 PM<I've seen similar behavior in the Black community.>
It's a symptom of the disease of Capitalism. The rich bestow their favors upon those who accept their prejudices and lack of values. So you have blacks pretending to be whites and Gays pretending to be Christians, and both picking on their own people, just to impress their corporate masters.
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Wed, July 30, 2008 - 10:27 PM<...So you have blacks pretending to be whites...>
Tom-ism, as it were. <];-P -
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Re: Propaganda Points
Thu, July 31, 2008 - 7:59 AMPlease pardon their own term for it,but that's the opposite of a "Whigger"(Whites pretending to be Black).
I heard that all the time from the Blacks in Lincoln Heights Tacoma,my former WA State Neighborhood.
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Re: Propaganda Points
Thu, July 31, 2008 - 7:41 PMPLease pardon the bad pun on Thomas Aquinas.
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