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  • Re: 99 percenters organizing politically???

    Thu, October 20, 2011 - 2:49 AM
    Not bad. Hope they pull it off.
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      Re: 99 percenters organizing politically???

      Thu, October 20, 2011 - 2:52 AM
      yep ..it needed to happen. or it could of gotten ugly....maybe it still will who knows.
      • Re: 99 percenters organizing politically???

        Thu, October 20, 2011 - 8:36 AM
        pp: The current system's propagation of legalized bribery and perpetual conflicts of interests has reduced our once great republican democracy to a greed driven corporatocracy run by boardroom oligarchs who represent .05% of the population but own 38% of the wealth.

        gee, i thought this was common
        knowledge.
        but yee who understands less
        knows nothing
        and to think this is old
        knowledge
        • Re: 99 percenters organizing politically???

          Tue, October 25, 2011 - 11:22 PM
          he who even knows
          does not readily
          understand
          • Re: 99 percenters organizing politically???

            Wed, October 26, 2011 - 12:00 PM
            And those who have understanding still may not have wisdom.

            You're somewhere in between having some rudimentary knowledge and propping it up as understanding and wisdom. It's really the worst place to be imo.
            • Re: 99 percenters organizing politically???

              Wed, October 26, 2011 - 8:23 PM
              wisdom is actually a
              summation;
              knowledge and understanding is only a means
              to get there

              it is tough to get a real read on the: OWS
              not only in the united states but the whole
              world
              • Re: 99 percenters organizing politically???

                Wed, October 26, 2011 - 8:26 PM
                I got a real read on OWS, Mr. Topic Nazi.

                They're a bunch of entitled brats who shit in public and smoke pot while their mommies pay for their goddamned cell phone bills. They racked up humongous student loans in bullshit hippie "social sciences" which only qualify them to ask me if I want whipped cream on my mocha. They're fuckups, and they're still smarter than you.
                • Re: 99 percenters organizing politically???

                  Wed, October 26, 2011 - 8:58 PM
                  wow
                  just like the 'hippie' movement
                  that finally stopped the vietnam war?
                  i forgot, but what was your lame excuse for skipping the military?
                  did your MD father write you a note saying you had migraine headaches?
                  and that bitch buddy of yours, steven b
                  i forgot how he got out of it...
                • Re: 99 percenters organizing politically???

                  Thu, October 27, 2011 - 8:40 AM
                  They are NOT a bunch of brats , Mr.Foodchain .

                  A number of them are workers and some are War Veterans !
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                    Re: 99 percenters organizing politically???

                    Thu, October 27, 2011 - 10:22 AM
                    Well, they better start letting those workers and war vets start talking, 'cause all I've seen is a bunch of whiny losers complaining about how they don't want to take any responsibility for their entitled darling asses.
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                      Re: 99 percenters organizing politically???

                      Fri, October 28, 2011 - 3:29 PM
                      here's a vet talking.

                      www.youtube.com/watch
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                        Re: 99 percenters organizing politically???

                        Fri, October 28, 2011 - 3:32 PM
                        and here's one(another iraq vet) who was critically injured by police in oakland.

                        www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...59.html

                        foodchain how are you going to elevate your thinking above the "scumbag" level.



                        • Re: 99 percenters organizing politically???

                          Fri, October 28, 2011 - 3:47 PM
                          ....still waiting for OWS to become as effective as the Tea Party. Not in terms of popularity. Not even in terms of numbers. In terms of making effective, organized political efforts towards changing what they want with clear objectives.

                          Come'on, OWS: The Tea Party got some major dimwits elected. If the Tea Party can make a wretched ghoul like Bachman a viable presidential contender, OWS better be able to do at least as well.
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                            Re: 99 percenters organizing politically???

                            Fri, October 28, 2011 - 6:50 PM
                            the tea party has made their way into congress and are really less organized than you propose.

                            they have divided the republican party and do not agree on a candidate...this will in effect (mentioned by both republican and democrat) screw up the republican hopes to gain the white house. It was stated as a party...they are undisciplined in their approach. If they can't agree on who they will vote for ..Obama will win.

                            you clearly are not paying attention.

                            what impact OWS has yet to be seen. The success of the Tea party evolved over a few years ....the OWS movement is still in about its 3rd month. The division that exists within the republican party has caused the US credit rating to drop. gridlock congress. Tea party elected representatives have imposed some really delusional ideas...like in Florida on Tea partier proposed getting rid of floride in our water systems because it is a form of mind control used by the communists.

                            I think people are pissed from both the conservative and liberal (hippy..LOL) base and in the case of the tea party I think people are seeing that they are for the most part ..bad for the country. What's interesting is that the OWS movement is not just liberals (as you and a few others living under rocks propose). They are Independents, Liberals, Progressives, Democrats, Republicans(prolly stays out of work with no Fox news), working people, homeless people, students, veterans, unions, teachers...the list goes on.

                            the shape of the tea party has had a mostly republican conservative base that does not agree on certain issues. The power of the OWS movement that it's pretty much agreed upon that corporate greed in this country has gone "too far". The Tea party does not have a single issue that binds them 100% other than that they are for the most part conservatives(that have a problem because they disagree on issues within conservatism). They tea party is divided and hold separate ideas about what is a priority in their movement. And endorse different candidates.
                            • Re: 99 percenters organizing politically???

                              Fri, October 28, 2011 - 9:31 PM
                              the tea party has made their way into congress and are really less organized than you propose.

                              they have divided the republican party and do not agree on a candidate...this will in effect (mentioned by both republican and democrat) screw up the republican hopes to gain the white house. It was stated as a party...they are undisciplined in their approach. If they can't agree on who they will vote for ..Obama will win.

                              you clearly are not paying attention.

                              what impact OWS has yet to be seen. The success of the Tea party evolved over a few years ....the OWS movement is still in about its 3rd month. The division that exists within the republican party has caused the US credit rating to drop. gridlock congress. Tea party elected representatives have imposed some really delusional ideas...like in Florida on Tea partier proposed getting rid of floride in our water systems because it is a form of mind control used by the communists.

                              I think people are pissed from both the conservative and liberal (hippy..LOL) base and in the case of the tea party I think people are seeing that they are for the most part ..bad for the country. What's interesting is that the OWS movement is not just liberals (as you and a few others living under rocks propose). They are Independents, Liberals, Progressives, Democrats, Republicans(prolly stays out of work with no Fox news), working people, homeless people, students, veterans, unions, teachers...the list goes on.

                              the shape of the tea party has had a mostly republican conservative base that does not agree on certain issues. The power of the OWS movement that it's pretty much agreed upon that corporate greed in this country has gone "too far". The Tea party does not have a single issue that binds them 100% other than that they are for the most part conservatives(that have a problem because they disagree on issues within conservatism). They tea party is divided and hold separate ideas about what is a priority in their movement. And endorse different candidates.

                              ***

                              Okay, who's on the ballot on an OWS platform? That people can vote for... Who won't get bought off, packaged, and sold as dead meat like all the rest... *yawn...*
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                                Re: 99 percenters organizing politically???

                                Fri, October 28, 2011 - 10:26 PM
                                again OWS has had global influence ..."wake up" and it's only been 3 months.

                                again OWS has had global influence ..."wake up" and it's only been 3 months.

                                again OWS has had global influence ..."wake up" and it's only been 3 months.

                                again OWS has had global influence ..."wake up" and it's only been 3 months.

                                it's only been 3 months.


                                and for example on oct 15 the OWS movement was in 941 cities and 82 countries.

                                in madrid and barcelona crowds of 400k and 500k took to the streets....right NOW syria is demanding a "no fly zone" to overturn leadership there.

                                I don't think you are looking at the Bigger picture. OWS may not need to elect leadership if the growth of the movement keeps up.

                                It's been 3 months..
                                It's been 3 months..
                                It's been 3 months


                                .and it's global...

                                there is an election in 2012.... a presidential election......if you think the tea party influence has impacted our government in the past few years.

                                watch what's going to happen... with this loosely organized movement that isn't really concerned about an election....

                                though there is a website that OWS is running to elect representatives within each congressional district.

                                yet the impact globally has been kinda censored by the media...it is not a group of conservative americans....it's a group of people all across the globe that are tired of getting screwed in the ass by Banks and wall street.

                                the corruption in the banking system is global.

                                get out from under a rock.and .pop the bubble around your head and do some research...you obviously are going by what's covered on TV.

                                In 6 months OWS will make the tea party look silly. they already have...but there is concern for what this could look like(in 6 months)
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                                  Re: 99 percenters organizing politically???

                                  Fri, October 28, 2011 - 10:32 PM
                                  "people can vote for... Who won't get bought off, packaged, and sold as dead meat like all the rest... *yawn...*"

                                  Wake up. Here's an article Titled..."THE BIG PICTURE"

                                  www.boston.com/bigpicture...l_prot.html

                                  those are pictures from all over the globe on oct. 15th

                                  tea party..LoL..already silly.
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                                    Re: 99 percenters organizing politically???

                                    Fri, October 28, 2011 - 11:39 PM
                                    well to be more exact on the date...it's been 2 months and 12 days...here is the wiki info


                                    The original protest began on September 17, 2011, and by October 9, similar demonstrations were either ongoing or had been held in 70 major cities and over 600 communities in the U.S.. Internationally, other "Occupy" protests have modeled themselves after Occupy Wall Street, in over 900 cities worldwide.

                                    to put someone on a ballot in that amount of time would be pretty amazing.

                                    it's hard to imagine what this movement will look like globally in 3 months or 6 months. I think the global involvement speaks volumes.

                                    The media is obviously on damage control mode. A critical moment will be when the "super committee" comes out with their solutions with deficit reduction. Behind the scenes Republicans are likely starting to play a different tune ....and are probably trying to wage how much "bull crap" they can feed the public to keep people under the belief that our political system still works.

                                    Looks like it will be a fail.
                                    • Re: 99 percenters organizing politically???

                                      Sat, October 29, 2011 - 7:08 AM
                                      Near the bottom in the reference index of wiki there are these cite error and I haven't looked through them but oftentimes wiki isn't intiailly a reliable source of information.

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                                      This page was last modified on 29 October 2011 at 13:54.


                                      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_Wall_Street
                                      • A Caveat

                                        Sat, October 29, 2011 - 11:05 AM
                                        Though the claims that Foodchain presents are quite off base , one caveat , however, which ought to be mentioned is that the cogent voices within the occupy movement should try to purge the movement of any infiltration by the MTV era , indie scenester types also referred to as hipsters...(NOT to be confused with hippies, of the old authentic sort) .

                                        Indie scenester types (and relativists in general, whether they are indie scenesters or other) undermine and *betray* progressive movements from within, with relativism (i.e. sellout thinking) and, also, the legacy of superfluous pop culture kitsch , which so often accompanies relativism, as a type of societal concomittant of the flexible/ ambivalent approach to standards that adamant relativists foster .

                                        Though I do not wish to state that indie scenester types are a large contingent within the occupy protests , care must be taken by the earnest members of the occupy movement to discourage indie scenesters from coming to the protests and rallies or at least to shun them if they do .

                                        Over at a facebook message board affiliated with the occupy protest movement there was a reference to some people holding an "after party" in conjunction with some of the protests . After parties , are a scenester / hipster affair , and would hurt the cause ...by fostering the image of MTV -era , frivolous pop culture types .

                                        A good way to purge and discourage infiltration of a good movement by the relativist/ postmodern Indie scenesters , would be to pass out a questionare which asks the following question of the people who show up at the protests and rallies:' do you maintain that corporate greed and ostentation are completely and (A) totally wrong , or do you merely maintain that it corporate greed and ostentation are (Z) merely "wrong to me" or "wrong from a perspective" that is somehow "true to some , but not true to others " . Any person who answers by affirming option (Z) the relativist (aka sellout) position when found out should be asked to please go away and leave the protests .

                                        The relativist, MTV -era indie scenester types with the kitsch they revel in (such as the kitschy "no pants subway rides", wherein the hipster creeps parade their butts... which are sometimes emblazoned with trendy "hello kitty " underwear, edgy after parties, goofy/ equivocal lateral thinking ( a type of muddled thinking popular with MTV generation types), and other types of kitsch , detract away from noble causes , by such superfluous and decadent antics ....
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                                          Re: A Caveat

                                          Sat, October 29, 2011 - 12:16 PM
                                          "A good way to purge and discourage infiltration of a good movement by the relativist/ postmodern Indie scenesters , would be to pass out a questionare which asks the following question of the people who show up at the protests and rallies:' do you maintain that corporate greed and ostentation are completely and (A) totally wrong , or do you merely maintain that it corporate greed and ostentation are (Z) merely "wrong to me" or "wrong from a perspective" that is somehow "true to some , but not true to others " . Any person who answers by affirming option (Z) the relativist (aka sellout) position when found out should be asked to please go away and leave the protests . "


                                          a read a questionaire that was given. I'll look for a link.
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                                            Re: A Caveat

                                            Sat, October 29, 2011 - 12:43 PM
                                            damn i couldn't find it ...but a guy polled protesters on views and their demographic......it kind of proved they were 75% well educated(4 yr drees). ,,,and proposed sound ideas for change.
                                            • Re: A Caveat

                                              Sat, October 29, 2011 - 1:02 PM
                                              Yes, but what would be better in terms of a questionare would be a questionare like the one I proposed, which could be used to weed out relativists ...the pusillanimous ambivalent types who mentally betray progressive causes, in claiming that they are merely an opinion , or so-called perspective , *instead of* absolutely right .

                                              What is demanded is absolutist idealism that affirms that getting rid of greed is absolutely right , NOT "right for us" but not for them , NOT merely "right to a perspective" or merely an "opinion" ...NOT the ambivalent thinking that says namby-pamby stuff to those who support corporate greed such as "well I respect your point of view , but I disagree" , or any similar sellout tallk ...
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                                              Re: A Caveat

                                              Sat, October 29, 2011 - 1:04 PM
                                              the fact is it's really not all hipster, hippies etc.etc...

                                              the demographic is so diverse...even though the media has distorted and tried to categorize these people and their political message...they can't.

                                              it's about accountability and putting a stop to the wholesale purging of the people for the sake of the 1%. Wall Street is like the scene of the crime.

                                              about Demographics....THIS totally was a surprise....RELIGION at OWS....not Buddhism but Christianity.

                                              www.pbs.org/wnet/religio...-street/9828/
                                              • Re: A Caveat

                                                Sat, October 29, 2011 - 3:45 PM
                                                WILLIAM POSTED : But , sir, I acknowledged that it wasn't all hipsters . Nor even mostly ...

                                                The argument that I presented was that we should not let the indie scenester/ hipster contingent (however small) infiltrate a noble movement and undermine it .

                                                Hence, the proposal of the questionare to weed out those elements from sneaking in and ruining a good movement !
                                              • Re: A Caveat

                                                Sun, October 30, 2011 - 2:46 PM
                                                pp: it's about accountability...

                                                and responsibility
                                                • Re: A Caveat

                                                  Mon, October 31, 2011 - 5:15 AM
                                                  hopefully
                                                  or maybe someday
                                                  u will figure it out
                                                  i will not be here
                                                  forever
                                                  • Re: A Caveat

                                                    Mon, October 31, 2011 - 6:22 AM
                                                    Can you speed it up and fuck off any sooner?
                                                    • Re: A Caveat

                                                      Mon, October 31, 2011 - 7:13 PM
                                                      you would like that
                                                      • Re: A Caveat

                                                        Mon, October 31, 2011 - 8:22 PM
                                                        no shit I'd like that! You're already a piece of shit, might as well make yourself useful by becoming fertilizer.
                                                        • Re: A Caveat

                                                          Mon, October 31, 2011 - 8:28 PM
                                                          CABALIST, WHAT ARE YOU SAYING WITH YOUR LIFE ?
                                                          • Re: A Caveat

                                                            Mon, October 31, 2011 - 8:46 PM
                                                            "CABALIST, WHAT ARE YOU SAYING WITH YOUR LIFE ?"

                                                            You keep calling me Cabalist. From now on your nickname is Cocksucker.

                                                            With my life I am saying that you are a wackjob and a moron.
                                                            • Re: A Caveat

                                                              Mon, October 31, 2011 - 8:56 PM
                                                              FOODCHAIN POSTED :With my life I am saying that you are a wackjob and a moron.

                                                              RESPONSE: You have devoted the lifespan on the planet to affirming that message ?

                                                              If I'm such a moron , then how come I can provide people with such serene boredom at times ? [Betcha that one will leave you flummoxed] .

                                                              Furthermore, am I a moron or a tard ?
                                                              • Re: A Caveat

                                                                Mon, October 31, 2011 - 8:58 PM
                                                                Don't make it too complicated, cocksucker.

                                                                "Furthermore, am I a moron or a tard ?"

                                                                Yes and yes.
                                                                • Re: A Caveat

                                                                  Mon, October 31, 2011 - 9:02 PM
                                                                  You are the one who makes it complicated , mister !
                                                                  • Re: A Caveat

                                                                    Mon, October 31, 2011 - 9:07 PM
                                                                    "You are the one who makes it complicated , mister !"

                                                                    Wrong again. You are a moron and a fucktard, cocksucker. Everything is overly complicated to you.
                                                                    • Re: A Caveat

                                                                      Tue, November 1, 2011 - 1:06 AM
                                                                      foodchunk, i liked you better over
                                                                      at the other tribe
                                                                      just because things are too boring
                                                                      over there...
                                                                      • Re: A Caveat

                                                                        Tue, November 1, 2011 - 1:39 AM
                                                                        I never like you anywhere. You are always a bore.
                                                                        • Re: A Caveat

                                                                          Tue, November 1, 2011 - 3:39 AM
                                                                          btw: did you ever repay all your
                                                                          student loans?

                                                                          lol
                                                                          • Re: A Caveat

                                                                            Tue, November 1, 2011 - 3:42 AM
                                                                            but you did take me by surprise
                                                                            you are so old looking for being so much younger than me
                                                                            i bet burning man might even miss you...

                                                                            lol
                                                                            • Re: A Caveat

                                                                              Tue, November 1, 2011 - 4:00 AM
                                                                              "but you did take me by surprise
                                                                              you are so old looking for being so much younger than me
                                                                              i bet burning man might even miss you... "

                                                                              Never been to burning man. You are good at being wrong.
                                                                    • Re: A Caveat

                                                                      Tue, November 1, 2011 - 3:15 PM
                                                                      You are the one who makes it complicated , mister !"

                                                                      FOODCHAIN POSTED :Wrong again. You are a moron and a fucktard, cocksucker. Everything is overly complicated to you.

                                                                      RESPONSE: Everything with regard to what ?
                                                                      • Re: A Caveat

                                                                        Tue, November 1, 2011 - 4:32 PM
                                                                        " Everything with regard to what ?"

                                                                        Everything with regard to everything.
                                                                        • Re: A Caveat

                                                                          Tue, November 1, 2011 - 6:28 PM
                                                                          so i might be wrong
                                                                          does that mean
                                                                          i have never
                                                                          been right?
                                                                          sure wish i had time to trace your isp...
                                                                          but you sound just like an idiot
                                                                          i once knew on another tribe
                                                                          he was never that smart; neither
                                                                          are you
                                                                          • Re: A Caveat

                                                                            Tue, November 1, 2011 - 10:14 PM
                                                                            trace it, fuckup.
                                                                            • Re: A Caveat

                                                                              Tue, November 1, 2011 - 11:30 PM
                                                                              i already have
                                                                              • Re: A Caveat

                                                                                Wed, November 2, 2011 - 12:05 AM
                                                                                Good! Now I can add cyberstalker to your resume.
                                                                                • Re: A Caveat

                                                                                  Wed, November 2, 2011 - 12:14 AM
                                                                                  why not reveal who you really r
                                                                                  pr want tp be?
                                                                                  u have already achieved
                                                                                  greatest loser of all time
                                                                                  • Re: A Caveat

                                                                                    Wed, November 2, 2011 - 12:34 AM
                                                                                    Aw, come now, roger. Just because you're a holocaust denying, jew hating, cyberstalking, half literate felon with a flying cat doesn't mean you don't have competition in loserdom. I'm sure you'll be the #1 loser for years to come.
                                                                                    • Re: A Caveat

                                                                                      Wed, November 2, 2011 - 3:03 AM
                                                                                      so you are afraid to come clean
                                                                                      still lurking in your closet
                                                                                      pretending to be...
                                                                                      i once knew an idiot who wrote a book and tried to sell it
                                                                                      for $120/copy
                                                                                      • Re: A Caveat

                                                                                        Wed, November 2, 2011 - 3:40 AM
                                                                                        How clean do you want me to come, anyway? You're the cyberstalker. Do your own research, flying cat boy.
                                                                        • Re: A Caveat

                                                                          Wed, November 2, 2011 - 10:44 AM
                                                                          " Everything with regard to what ?"

                                                                          FOODCHAIN POSTED :Everything with regard to everything.

                                                                          RESPONSE: What does the second occurance of the term 'everything' in the line of text shown above, refer to ?
                                                                          • Re: A Caveat

                                                                            Wed, November 2, 2011 - 11:38 AM
                                                                            "What does the second occurance of the term 'everything' in the line of text shown above, refer to ?"

                                                                            It refers to everything you fucking retard.
                                                                            • A Good Laugh For The Day

                                                                              Thu, November 3, 2011 - 9:50 AM
                                                                              "What does the second occurance of the term 'everything' in the line of text shown above, refer to ?"

                                                                              FOODCHAIN POSTED :It refers to everything you fucking retard.

                                                                              RESPONSE : Well, with a figurative use of language , I have heard the turn of phrase applied to people , to the effect that so and so is "talking and circles" . Perhaps the phrase " typing in circles" could be coined (if it hasn't already) and, thus, be licitly applied to the statement you posted above !
                                                                              • Re: A Good Laugh For The Day

                                                                                Thu, November 3, 2011 - 9:55 AM
                                                                                "Well, with a figurative use of language , I have heard the turn of phrase applied to people , to the effect that so and so is "talking and circles" . Perhaps the phrase " typing in circles" could be coined (if it hasn't already) and, thus, be licitly applied to the statement you posted above !"

                                                                                That's very nice. Have you fucked yourself yet? Gotten a blowjob? Get on it, fucktard.
                                                                                • Re: A Good Laugh For The Day

                                                                                  Thu, November 3, 2011 - 8:22 PM
                                                                                  Well, with a figurative use of language , I have heard the turn of phrase applied to people , to the effect that so and so is "talking and circles" . Perhaps the phrase " typing in circles" could be coined (if it hasn't already) and, thus, be licitly applied to the statement you posted above !"

                                                                                  FOOD POSTED :That's very nice. Have you fucked yourself yet? Gotten a blowjob? Get on it, fucktard.

                                                                                  RESPONSE : Forget it . If you sex positive , relavists cretins would keep the trash you support to only those adult willing particpants in the demimonde of creepy fruitcakes , instead of having the temerity to intentionally flaunt it , and even worst still: intentionally try to exhort us prudes to get involved in such degenerate TRASH , then us absolutists would not spend so much time denouncing you people on the internet . You relativist funky lifestyle people tend to carry on as if y'all were the shy , beleagured people who were harried and harangued by us those of us who are absolutist prudes ...AS IF we were big blue meanies who came searching for you people over hill and dale , but the actual deal is , is that you creeps are the ones that are the forward , boisterous ones who go trying to bother people who do NOT want get involved in the smut and various other creepdom you people support .

                                                                                  Well us absolutists are NOT gonna sit back and let you people turn what's left of good neighborhoods into something out of Sodom and Gommorrah, or some red light district out of Amsterdam or Las Vegas . Forget it , mister !
                                                                                  • Re: A Good Laugh For The Day

                                                                                    Thu, November 3, 2011 - 8:24 PM
                                                                                    No really, get some dome. It's ABSOLUTELY worth it.
                                                                                    • Re: A Good Laugh For The Day

                                                                                      Thu, November 3, 2011 - 8:37 PM
                                                                                      That's one of the overwhelming strategy you contemporary creepy people use :

                                                                                      make some cockamamey , unspeakabily scurrilous statement, as a nonchalant, anticlimatic reply , and, thus, leave anyone who cares about decency too flummoxed to do anything but sputter or try to scream .....
                                                                                      • Re: A Good Laugh For The Day

                                                                                        Thu, November 3, 2011 - 9:52 PM
                                                                                        chunkyfood is funny
                                                                                        but has no guts
                                                                                        i am not interested in decency
                                                                                        but am interested in having him reveal himself
                                                                                        you can even
                                                                                        skip your middle name
                                                                                        you do have a poor medical chart
                                                                                        i can still remain on tritbe.net as long as i do not post/thread your name
                                                                                        so u were bullied as a kid
                                                                                        that's why i told you long ago
                                                                                        to take a course by
                                                                                        bruce lee...
                                                                                        • Re: A Good Laugh For The Day

                                                                                          Fri, November 4, 2011 - 3:40 AM
                                                                                          "chunkyfood is funny
                                                                                          but has no guts
                                                                                          i am not interested in decency
                                                                                          but am interested in having him reveal himself
                                                                                          you can even
                                                                                          skip your middle name
                                                                                          you do have a poor medical chart
                                                                                          i can still remain on tritbe.net as long as i do not post/thread your name
                                                                                          so u were bullied as a kid
                                                                                          that's why i told you long ago
                                                                                          to take a course by
                                                                                          bruce lee..."

                                                                                          What in the fuck? PM me my real name if you think you know it. If you get it right, I'll reveal it publicly. You're wrong about everything so far.
                                                                                      • Re: A Good Laugh For The Day

                                                                                        Fri, November 4, 2011 - 3:38 AM
                                                                                        "That's one of the overwhelming strategy you contemporary creepy people use :

                                                                                        make some cockamamey , unspeakabily scurrilous statement, as a nonchalant, anticlimatic reply , and, thus, leave anyone who cares about decency too flummoxed to do anything but sputter or try to scream ....."

                                                                                        Sputtering and screaming sounds like a mighty good blowjob indeed. You're getting warmer. Have the wifey polish your knob and compare notes.
                                                                                        • Re: A Good Laugh For The Day

                                                                                          Fri, November 4, 2011 - 7:23 PM
                                                                                          That's one of the overwhelming strategy you contemporary creepy people use :

                                                                                          make some cockamamey , unspeakabily scurrilous statement, as a nonchalant, anticlimatic reply , and, thus, leave anyone who cares about decency too flummoxed to do anything but sputter or try to scream ....."

                                                                                          FOODCHAIN POSTED :Sputtering and screaming sounds like a mighty good blowjob indeed. You're getting warmer. Have the wifey polish your knob and compare notes.

                                                                                          RESPONSE: I would never defile my angel of hearth and home . Duty and honor are right . Being a freaking adolescent puerile twit is ......................................................................................................................................................................................................................

                                                                                          .......................................................................................................................................................................................................................

                                                                                          WRONG .

                                                                                          (Sexy goofballs are , after all, wrong . )
                                                                                          • Re: A Good Laugh For The Day

                                                                                            Fri, November 4, 2011 - 7:35 PM
                                                                                            If blowjobs are wrong, I don't want to be right! Your mom was a champion blowjob-giver, btw. She could've worked as a circus sword swallower, not a trace of gag reflex in her...
                                                                                            • Re: A Good Laugh For The Day

                                                                                              Sat, November 5, 2011 - 8:00 AM
                                                                                              Foodchain ,

                                                                                              You spun webs of of mind- death with that ugly thing betwixt your lower limbs .

                                                                                              They do twist in an idiot wind . Round and round the webs of mind -death go , where they stop , no one glows .....(but there will, one hopes, be time to glow, when they are long gone ) .
                                                                                              • Re: A Good Laugh For The Day

                                                                                                Sat, November 5, 2011 - 10:58 PM
                                                                                                yada yada yada, get a blowjob.
                                                                                                • Re: A Good Laugh For The Day

                                                                                                  Sun, November 6, 2011 - 4:04 PM
                                                                                                  Forget it , mister .

                                                                                                  I AIN'T PUNKING OUT .
                                                                                                  • Re: A Good Laugh For The Day

                                                                                                    Sun, November 6, 2011 - 4:08 PM
                                                                                                    Just think of it as a mouth hug.
                                                                                                    • I Will NOT accept this current era .

                                                                                                      Mon, November 7, 2011 - 9:18 AM
                                                                                                      The mouth should not hug any ugly appendage .

                                                                                                      If I and my wife are to have sons I am going to raise them to be knights of virtue , and to stand up for chivalry and , hence, protect the innocence of young women from such red blooded filth ! I don't want my sons or daughters to even get closed to being defiled by filth .

                                                                                                      Fellatio is for punked- out , red blooded twits , who treat women like mere pieces of meat .
                                                                                                      • Re: I Will NOT accept this current era .

                                                                                                        Mon, November 7, 2011 - 12:03 PM
                                                                                                        Good, fuck your wife.
                                                                                                        • Re: I Will NOT accept this current era .

                                                                                                          Mon, November 7, 2011 - 12:44 PM
                                                                                                          Are you insulting my wife to be , Mr.Foodchain ?
                                                                                                          • Re: I Will NOT accept this current era .

                                                                                                            Mon, November 7, 2011 - 1:07 PM
                                                                                                            No, but if you attempting procreative intercourse with any woman would be an insult to her, Mr. Fuckup. Seriously, how do you expect to make children if that means actually having sex? Turkey baster? No, you can't do the turkey baster thing without you ejaculating... How in the hell are you going to reproduce if sex is so abhorrent to you?
                                                                                                            • Re: I Will NOT accept this current era .

                                                                                                              Tue, November 8, 2011 - 8:18 AM
                                                                                                              (1) On what grounds would it be an insult to her ?

                                                                                                              (2). It wouldn't be so abhorent if intercourse with my bride is carried out in a dimly lit room , with NO wild abandon...low key intercourse with the purpose of siring children foremost in mind .
                                                                                                              • Re: I Will NOT accept this current era .

                                                                                                                Tue, November 8, 2011 - 10:03 AM
                                                                                                                1. On any grounds.

                                                                                                                2. I still think you'd never be able to get the job done. The orgasm itself is a Dionysian reflex, and you'd be hard pressed to get yourself there thinking of lighting concepts and, *gulp*, children... I hope...
                                                                                                                • Re: I Will NOT accept this current era .

                                                                                                                  Wed, November 9, 2011 - 7:17 AM
                                                                                                                  FOODCHAIN POSTED :1. On any grounds.

                                                                                                                  RESPONSE: To call the above reply vague would be a colossal understatement .

                                                                                                                  FOODCHAIN POSTED :2. I still think you'd never be able to get the job done. The orgasm itself is a Dionysian reflex, and you'd be hard pressed to get yourself there thinking of lighting concepts and, *gulp*, children... I hope...

                                                                                                                  RESPONSE: The lantern in the bedroom that my bride and I share , could be snuffed previous to such activity , so there would be no lighting concepts to worry about. "Dionysian reflex"? It sounds like you may have been somehow either reading a lot of the hogwash of Norman O Brown, or texts by some pot smoking anthropologist grad students ....
                                                                                                                  • Oh, incidentally ....

                                                                                                                    Wed, November 9, 2011 - 7:20 AM
                                                                                                                    That you followed the above post with the phrase "I hope" (referring to yourself) may be quite telling .

                                                                                                                    Is there a fear in the back of your mind that any children I might sire might achieve victory *against* the earthy zeitgeist of this current era of earthy tripe ? Hmnnn.....
                                                                                                                    • Re: Oh, incidentally ....

                                                                                                                      Wed, November 9, 2011 - 11:55 AM
                                                                                                                      "Is there a fear in the back of your mind that any children I might sire might achieve victory *against* the earthy zeitgeist of this current era of earthy tripe ? Hmnnn....."

                                                                                                                      No again. You need constant correction because intellectual discourse simply is not your milieu. You'd be better off crying on Fox News with the rest of the ideological fuckups. In that sense, you're right at home on tribe.net.

                                                                                                                      But, to address your whimsically hopeful question, I'm simply hopeful that thinking about children does not make you sexually aroused, because if it does, you are a pedophile and you should have your head caved the fuck in by a large boulder ASAP. Dig?
                                                                                                                      • Straighen Up

                                                                                                                        Thu, November 10, 2011 - 5:26 AM
                                                                                                                        I was talking about my wife and I conceiving children .

                                                                                                                        Get your mind out of the gutter where it is preocuppied .

                                                                                                                        And spare the irrelevant comments about Fox News .

                                                                                                                        Have you been watching a lot of t.v. news ...and have you become some sort of news junkie ?

                                                                                                                        (I was almost going to exhort by saying that you watch too much t.v. news , but then again , I realized again that the best amount of television news to watch ---aside from science news, weather or traffic report, or information to inform those who buy products from stores of possible dangers or side effects, ect...is..........0 percent ! )
                                                                                                                        • Re: Straighen Up

                                                                                                                          Thu, November 10, 2011 - 6:17 AM
                                                                                                                          "I was talking about my wife and I conceiving children .

                                                                                                                          Get your mind out of the gutter where it is preocuppied ."

                                                                                                                          You conceiving anything is gutter thinking. Keep your defective chromosomes out of the genepool, moron. The world has plenty of stupid already.

                                                                                                                          "(I was almost going to exhort by saying that you watch too much t.v. news , but then again , I realized again that the best amount of television news to watch ---aside from science news, weather or traffic report, or information to inform those who buy products from stores of possible dangers or side effects, ect...is..........0 percent ! )"

                                                                                                                          You make quite a few exceptions there. You don't seem good at math either. Wouldn't it be easier to say you would only grace a well-chosen 10% of TV programming with your ineffable blessings from on high?
                                                                                                                          • Re: Straighen Up

                                                                                                                            Thu, November 10, 2011 - 9:11 AM
                                                                                                                            was talking about my wife and I conceiving children .

                                                                                                                            Get your mind out of the gutter where it is preocuppied ."

                                                                                                                            FOODCHAIN POSTED :You conceiving anything is gutter thinking.

                                                                                                                            RESPONSE: Don't be ridiculous ....

                                                                                                                            FOODCHAIN POSTED :Keep your defective chromosomes out of the genepool, moron. The world has plenty of stupid already.

                                                                                                                            RESPONSE: Nope. I want to reproduce and start a lineage of quaint, antiquated, passe people who blessedly cultivate serene boredom and show others the clean-mindedness of serene boredom .

                                                                                                                            "(I was almost going to exhort by saying that you watch too much t.v. news , but then again , I realized again that the best amount of television news to watch ---aside from science news, weather or traffic report, or information to inform those who buy products from stores of possible dangers or side effects, ect...is..........0 percent ! )"

                                                                                                                            FOODCHAIN POSTED :You make quite a few exceptions there.

                                                                                                                            RESPONSE: I make NONE for any of that "guilty pleasure" trash, for it is indeed mentally entropic .

                                                                                                                            FOODCHAIN POSTED :You don't seem good at math either. Wouldn't it be easier to say you would only grace a well-chosen 10% of TV programming with your ineffable blessings from on high?

                                                                                                                            RESPONSE: Well , first of all , I was referring to t.v. news as , in the main, verbotten . As to television news , perhaps the approval could be extended from 1 to 5 percent of television news being acceptible (and even that material with some caveats...for if there is, say, some weather forecaster who solicits voyeurism from the viewer as to the calamity brought by natural disasters it would be best to then boycott that *type* of forecast .)

                                                                                                                            As for the rest of television programming, I haven't had occasion to work out the statistical percent as to how much would be acceptible (and even then , unless one is totally convalescent, one should not spend huge segments of the days watching it). However , there are clear parameters to guide one. Nothing that solicits a lurid, sordid voyeurism should be watched, unless one is compiling a dossier to indict said material and one has to quote it for the sake of completing the polemic . No tacky/ juvenile kitsch should be watched ...unless one is compiling a dossier to polemically indict that sort of material either . No show that exhorts relativism /murky / capricious or ambivalent thinking should be watched ---unless one is seeking to cull the sort of content so as to indict that content in a polemical effort .

                                                                                                                            Quaint, benign, passe shows such as the Waltons series (a quite edifying series) or even an ethereal 1970's sci-fi series such as 'Land Of The Lost' would be acceptible .

                                                                                                                            PBS tended to have good content ..
                                                                                                                            • tree can't get boners

                                                                                                                              Thu, November 10, 2011 - 12:22 PM
                                                                                                                              " Don't be ridiculous ...."

                                                                                                                              I can't. You're hogging all the ridiculous and you refuse to share.

                                                                                                                              " I want to reproduce and start a lineage of quaint, antiquated, passe people who blessedly cultivate serene boredom and show others the clean-mindedness of serene boredom ."

                                                                                                                              My bet is that you'll never be able to ejaculate, so I think the world is safe enough from your tardspawn.

                                                                                                                              " I make NONE for any of that "guilty pleasure" trash, for it is indeed mentally entropic."

                                                                                                                              Guilt is entropic; I'll buy into that one. Pleasure is not.

                                                                                                                              "As for the rest of television programming, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah..."

                                                                                                                              Ugh, no one cares. I'm not going to read your retarded essays. Go talk to roger's flying cat.
                                                                                                                              • Wrongheaded Foodchain

                                                                                                                                Fri, November 11, 2011 - 3:47 PM
                                                                                                                                "" Don't be ridiculous ...."

                                                                                                                                FOODCHAIN POSTED :I can't. You're hogging all the ridiculous and you refuse to share.

                                                                                                                                RESPONSE: Nope . An objective observer can witness that you are the one who is being very ridiculous, and, what's further, have been doing so for a nunber of days .

                                                                                                                                " I want to reproduce and start a lineage of quaint, antiquated, passe people who blessedly cultivate serene boredom and show others the clean-mindedness of serene boredom ."

                                                                                                                                FOODCHAIN POSTED :My bet is that you'll never be able to ejaculate, so I think the world is safe enough from your tardspawn.

                                                                                                                                RESPONSE : Please don't bet your life savings on that scenario .

                                                                                                                                " I make NONE for any of that "guilty pleasure" trash, for it is indeed mentally entropic."

                                                                                                                                FOODCHAIN POSTED :Guilt is entropic; I'll buy into that one. Pleasure is not.

                                                                                                                                RESPONSE: (1) The use of the term 'guilty' in the phrase "guilty pleasure" is rather hyperbolic, since, for awhile, the people are able to (momentarily) distract themselves away from the guilt , to pursue murky divertissements .

                                                                                                                                (2) Justifiable guilt is NOT , never has been , and never shall present any entropy in the life of the mind . Justifiable guilt is good. It is a cleansing faculty which purges away the dross of the mind .

                                                                                                                                (3) That depends on whether the pleasure is benign or not. If the pleasure is benign then it presents no intrinsic entropy in the life of the mind .If , in contrast, the guilt is a bad sort of pleasure , then it certainly does present entropy in the life of the mind .

                                                                                                                                "As for the rest of television programming, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah..."

                                                                                                                                FOODCHAIN POSTED :Ugh, no one cares. I'm not going to read your retarded essays. Go talk to roger's flying cat .

                                                                                                                                RESPONSE : Well , perhaps there is more then one nobody ,then . Furthermore, miaow , miaow .
                                                                                                                                • children make tree horny

                                                                                                                                  Fri, November 11, 2011 - 7:07 PM
                                                                                                                                  "Nope . An objective observer can witness that you are the one who is being very ridiculous, and, what's further, have been doing so for a nunber of days ."

                                                                                                                                  No such thing as an 'objective observer'. It's a contradiction of terms.

                                                                                                                                  " (1) The use of the term 'guilty' in the phrase "guilty pleasure" is rather hyperbolic, since, for awhile, the people are able to (momentarily) distract themselves away from the guilt , to pursue murky divertissements .

                                                                                                                                  (2) Justifiable guilt is NOT , never has been , and never shall present any entropy in the life of the mind . Justifiable guilt is good. It is a cleansing faculty which purges away the dross of the mind .

                                                                                                                                  (3) That depends on whether the pleasure is benign or not. If the pleasure is benign then it presents no intrinsic entropy in the life of the mind .If , in contrast, the guilt is a bad sort of pleasure , then it certainly does present entropy in the life of the mind ."

                                                                                                                                  You'll never be able to ejaculate.

                                                                                                                                  " Well , perhaps there is more then one nobody ,then . Furthermore, miaow , miaow ."

                                                                                                                                  tribe.net is teeming with nobodys.
                                                                                                                                  • Stop Making Perverse Statements, Foodchain

                                                                                                                                    Fri, November 11, 2011 - 7:51 PM
                                                                                                                                    Nope . An objective observer can witness that you are the one who is being very ridiculous, and, what's further, have been doing so for a nunber of days ."

                                                                                                                                    FOODCHAIN POSTED :No such thing as an 'objective observer'. It's a contradiction of terms.

                                                                                                                                    RESPONSE: On what grounds ?

                                                                                                                                    " (1) The use of the term 'guilty' in the phrase "guilty pleasure" is rather hyperbolic, since, for awhile, the people are able to (momentarily) distract themselves away from the guilt , to pursue murky divertissements .

                                                                                                                                    (2) Justifiable guilt is NOT , never has been , and never shall present any entropy in the life of the mind . Justifiable guilt is good. It is a cleansing faculty which purges away the dross of the mind .

                                                                                                                                    (3) That depends on whether the pleasure is benign or not. If the pleasure is benign then it presents no intrinsic entropy in the life of the mind .If , in contrast, the guilt is a bad sort of pleasure , then it certainly does present entropy in the life of the mind ."

                                                                                                                                    FOODCHAIN POSTED :You'll never be able to ejaculate.

                                                                                                                                    RESPONSE: You claim ....

                                                                                                                                    " Well , perhaps there is more then one nobody ,then . Furthermore, miaow , miaow ."

                                                                                                                                    FOODCHAIN POSTED :tribe.net is teeming with nobodys.

                                                                                                                                    RESPONSE: Since when is being a nobody a bad state of affairs ?
                                                                                                                                    • Re: Stop Making Perverse Statements, Foodchain

                                                                                                                                      Fri, November 11, 2011 - 7:58 PM
                                                                                                                                      "On what grounds ?"

                                                                                                                                      Consciousness as we know it always has motives.

                                                                                                                                      "Since when is being a nobody a bad state of affairs ?"

                                                                                                                                      When nobodys fancy themselves as being entitled to things somebodys took the initiative to earn.
                                                                                                                                      • Re: Stop Making Perverse Statements, Foodchain

                                                                                                                                        Sat, November 12, 2011 - 8:05 AM
                                                                                                                                        On what grounds ?"

                                                                                                                                        FOODCHAIN POSTED :Consciousness as we know it always has motives.

                                                                                                                                        RESPONSE: Could there be a consciousness whose only motive at the time is the reception of knowledge for the sake of knowledge and whatever epistemic duties such knowledge entails ?

                                                                                                                                        "Since when is being a nobody a bad state of affairs ?"

                                                                                                                                        FOODCHAIN POSTED :When nobodys fancy themselves as being entitled to things somebodys took the initiative to earn.

                                                                                                                                        RESPONSE: What specifically do you propose the nobodys fancy themselves as being thus entitled to ?
                                                                                                                                        • Re: Stop Making Perverse Statements, Foodchain

                                                                                                                                          Sat, November 12, 2011 - 11:01 AM
                                                                                                                                          "Could there be a consciousness whose only motive at the time is the reception of knowledge for the sake of knowledge and whatever epistemic duties such knowledge entails ?"

                                                                                                                                          Yes, but consciousness and motive create subjectivity. Consciousness by being limited to a single point-of-view, no matter how much it strives to absorb the whole; motive by limiting the terms of which such knowledge and information is received and organized within the consciousness.

                                                                                                                                          "What specifically do you propose the nobodys fancy themselves as being thus entitled to ?"

                                                                                                                                          Happiness; not just the pursuit of it, but the insistence that they must take antidepressants; that life will just start happening to them in a way they like because they keep air moving through their lungs; etc. It really changes from case to case, but the generations that have been raised with too much self-esteem emphasis and politically correct, Marxist values seem to be irreparably lost and confused.
                                                                                                                                          • Epistemic and Telestic Considerations

                                                                                                                                            Sat, November 12, 2011 - 4:13 PM
                                                                                                                                            "Could there be a consciousness whose only motive at the time is the reception of knowledge for the sake of knowledge and whatever epistemic duties such knowledge entails ?"

                                                                                                                                            FOODCHAIN POSTED :Yes, but consciousness and motive create subjectivity. Consciousness by being limited to a single point-of-view, no matter how much it strives to absorb the whole;

                                                                                                                                            RESPONSE : Please define what you mean via the term 'point of view' ?

                                                                                                                                            FOODCHAIN POSTED : motive by limiting the terms of which such knowledge and information is received and organized within the consciousness.

                                                                                                                                            RESPONSE : What if the motive is indeed only to receive the exhaustive knowledge of a given body of data and what epistemic duties are directly entailed to respond to it after the inner act of mind and reception of sense data as instrumental vehicle for such content is received by the mind of the observer .? What if there is nothing but the intake of the body of data and the eidetic reduction of such data in that act of mind , would not that be objective ?

                                                                                                                                            "What specifically do you propose the nobodys fancy themselves as being thus entitled to ?"

                                                                                                                                            FOODCHAIN POSTED :Happiness; not just the pursuit of it, but the insistence that they must take antidepressants; that life will just start happening to them in a way they like because they keep air moving through their lungs; etc. It really changes from case to case, but the generations that have been raised with too much self-esteem emphasis and politically correct, Marxist values seem to be irreparably lost and confused.

                                                                                                                                            RESPONSE : I see. Well, could there be some nobodys who (unlike the sort of nobodys you mentioned) have other goals than the sort of goals you described above ?
                                                                                                                                            • Re: Epistemic and Telestic Considerations

                                                                                                                                              Sat, November 12, 2011 - 4:58 PM
                                                                                                                                              "Please define what you mean via the term 'point of view' ?"

                                                                                                                                              Any point in spacetime, i.e, the rock, your neighbor, yourself, your dog. The rock's "point of view" has individual limits and conditions which do not apply to yourself or your neighbor. A 39-year old lesbian's point of view will tend to differ from a 22-year old heterosexual male point of view. Your dog sees the world from a point of view which seems very different from a mollusk's, or a carpenter ant's point of view. Etc...

                                                                                                                                              "What if the motive is indeed only to receive the exhaustive knowledge of a given body of data and what epistemic duties are directly entailed to respond to it after the inner act of mind and reception of sense data as instrumental vehicle for such content is received by the mind of the observer .?"

                                                                                                                                              The tendency to organize sensory impressions in such a way, especially linguistically, is a human convention. Therefore, two individuals of the hypothetical motive you describe could come to very different conclusions depending on their experiences. A deaf woman born in 1958 with that motive would probably come to different conclusions than a blind man aged 19 with the same motive.

                                                                                                                                              "What if there is nothing but the intake of the body of data and the eidetic reduction of such data in that act of mind , would not that be objective ? "

                                                                                                                                              Perception is an active process, as all information is near-instantaneously organized and categorized in terms of the individual's past experiences or lack thereof. A purely passive intake of information creates arguments about the nature of consciousness that become very problematic very quickly. If you see a dog, it's hard to see it as a completely unique phenomenon without instantly recognizing it as a canine or canine-like creature who will tend to behave within a certain set of variation based on one's experiences with dogs.

                                                                                                                                              "I see. Well, could there be some nobodys who (unlike the sort of nobodys you mentioned) have other goals than the sort of goals you described above ?"

                                                                                                                                              It would be stupid for me to deny the possibility, yet staying within my limited description of nobody-like tendencies above described, I tend to think that such persons would cease to be "nobodys" once they became responsible, self-motivated, and free from unrealistic expectations.
                                                                                                                                              • Re: Epistemic and Telestic Considerations

                                                                                                                                                Mon, November 14, 2011 - 5:45 PM
                                                                                                                                                Please define what you mean via the term 'point of view' ?"

                                                                                                                                                FOODCHAIN POSTED :Any point in spacetime, i.e, the rock, your neighbor, yourself, your dog. The rock's "point of view" has individual limits and conditions which do not apply to yourself or your neighbor. A 39-year old lesbian's point of view will tend to differ from a 22-year old heterosexual male point of view. Your dog sees the world from a point of view which seems very different from a mollusk's, or a carpenter ant's point of view. Etc...

                                                                                                                                                RESPONSE : So the term 'point of view' as you use it refers to the differing predispositions (for perceptual and/or apperceptive) focus that effect the ways in which a conscious agent focuses on the phenomenon that it interacts with due to the dynamics of different types of embodiment ?

                                                                                                                                                "What if the motive is indeed only to receive the exhaustive knowledge of a given body of data and what epistemic duties are directly entailed to respond to it after the inner act of mind and reception of sense data as instrumental vehicle for such content is received by the mind of the observer .?"

                                                                                                                                                FOODCHAIN POSTED :The tendency to organize sensory impressions in such a way, especially linguistically, is a human convention. Therefore, two individuals of the hypothetical motive you describe could come to very different conclusions depending on their experiences. A deaf woman born in 1958 with that motive would probably come to different conclusions than a blind man aged 19 with the same motive.

                                                                                                                                                RESPONSE: But if two individuals are exposed to the exact same sensory qualia, via the requisite sense data coming from an object or particular ensemble of objects, in the same swath of time , then wouldn't there be a reciprocity of the organization of sense datum and the epistemic ramfications of such data (barring some extraneous factors such as cognitive or neurological noise in the persons) then be the same for people with the same motives ? For example, people who can both see and hear seeing the same phenomenon (like the successive upwellings of a fountain in some quadrangle), who have just the plain motive of wanting only to record what they visually see and hear with mental notes of the sensations that manifest when they see and here what they see and hear , wouldn't they organize sensory impressions in the same way ?

                                                                                                                                                "What if there is nothing but the intake of the body of data and the eidetic reduction of such data in that act of mind , would not that be objective ? "

                                                                                                                                                FOODCHAIN POSTED : Perception is an active process, as all information is near-instantaneously organized and categorized in terms of the individual's past experiences or lack thereof. A purely passive intake of information creates arguments about the nature of consciousness that become very problematic very quickly. If you see a dog, it's hard to see it as a completely unique phenomenon without instantly recognizing it as a canine or canine-like creature who will tend to behave within a certain set of variation based on one's experiences with dogs.

                                                                                                                                                RESPONSE : Often, there are associational overlays upon perceptual data, which are overlaid upon a given data (or datum) by dint of memory associations .

                                                                                                                                                However, consider the following thought experiment to note how a perceptual intake could be purely passive and yet involve awareness obtaining as a result of that activity . Consider the scenario of a person who is put in a dark room: one with absolutely no light, when the door ,or portal is closed with them within . Now, image that such a room has a tiny pinprick hole about the size and shape of a hole through the surface of a salt or pepper shaker, with a lid that can be pulled back . Furthermore, imagine that the person who has been ushered into that dark room is then exposed to a thin beam of white light , sometime after they have been ushered in and their eyes have already adjusted to the dark .

                                                                                                                                                Such a person would then (if they have sight), then see the thin beam of white light as a type of dot of white brightness . Such a dot of light would be a pure perceptual quale (which calls to mind the concept of qualia, as explored by philosopher Thomas Nagel) ...of a pure type of qualia . People seldom suddenly see a pure dot of white light (in everyday experiences on the planet) un-accompanied by other visual qualia in the field of potential vision , for people are seldom put in a dark room wherein there is no intrinsic illumination, except that which is provided by a light be shone through a pinprick hole in the wall of the room . Hence, the light quale would , due to its apparent isolation, in terms of the visual field provided, as a result of the visual field being darkened , would be likely *devoid* of the overlay of associations which would have been present, if , instead, the light dot had been in a visual field (with other visual objects) which would have fostered a network of visual phenomenon .

                                                                                                                                                The epistemic result, immediately after the reception of the dot of light through the eyes and into the visual cortex, would be that of a near generic awareness of brightness and, concurrently, something appearing, in a visual field where there had been no intrinsic visual quales immediately before . Hence , that would be a visual experience likely to be devoid of prejudicial associations and , hence, objective .
                                                                                                                                                • Re: Epistemic and Telestic Considerations

                                                                                                                                                  Mon, November 14, 2011 - 6:03 PM
                                                                                                                                                  "So the term 'point of view' as you use it refers to the differing predispositions (for perceptual and/or apperceptive) focus that effect the ways in which a conscious agent focuses on the phenomenon that it interacts with due to the dynamics of different types of embodiment ?"

                                                                                                                                                  More or less.

                                                                                                                                                  "But if two individuals are exposed to the exact same sensory qualia, via the requisite sense data coming from an object or particular ensemble of objects, in the same swath of time , then wouldn't there be a reciprocity of the organization of sense datum and the epistemic ramfications of such data (barring some extraneous factors such as cognitive or neurological noise in the persons) then be the same for people with the same motives ?"

                                                                                                                                                  Impossible to know for sure in some sense, but not necessarily. My sister was attacked by a dog when she was very little, and has a negative reaction to dogs. Her and I experiencing the same dog approaching us would cause very different experiences: I would be welcoming and she would be somewhat pensive. Likewise, a Marxist and a Right Wing Christian would receive the same data regarding a certain political movement and have two very different impressions of it, and very different motives for that matter.

                                                                                                                                                  "For example, people who can both see and hear seeing the same phenomenon (like the successive upwellings of a fountain in some quadrangle), who have just the plain motive of wanting only to record what they visually see and hear with mental notes of the sensations that manifest when they see and here what they see and hear , wouldn't they organize sensory impressions in the same way ?"

                                                                                                                                                  I wouldn't count on it. One of those persons may have been pushed into a fountain by a bully when little, whereas the other may have fond memories of frolicking with his/her first love in a fountain. Therefore, those two people would have different categorizations for the sensory input, even if they were motivated simply by wanting to passively record such data, (which I must say is a rare trait to be found).

                                                                                                                                                  " Often, there are associational overlays upon perceptual data, which are overlaid upon a given data (or datum) by dint of memory associations .

                                                                                                                                                  However, consider the following thought experiment to note how a perceptual intake could be purely passive and yet involve awareness obtaining as a result of that activity . Consider the scenario of a person who is put in a dark room: one with absolutely no light, when the door ,or portal is closed with them within . Now, image that such a room has a tiny pinprick hole about the size and shape of a hole through the surface of a salt or pepper shaker, with a lid that can be pulled back . Furthermore, imagine that the person who has been ushered into that dark room is then exposed to a thin beam of white light , sometime after they have been ushered in and their eyes have already adjusted to the dark .

                                                                                                                                                  Such a person would then (if they have sight), then see the thin beam of white light as a type of dot of white brightness . Such a dot of light would be a pure perceptual quale (which calls to mind the concept of qualia, as explored by philosopher Thomas Nagel) ...of a pure type of qualia . People seldom suddenly see a pure dot of white light (in everyday experiences on the planet) un-accompanied by other visual qualia in the field of potential vision , for people are seldom put in a dark room wherein there is no intrinsic illumination, except that which is provided by a light be shone through a pinprick hole in the wall of the room . Hence, the light quale would , due to its apparent isolation, in terms of the visual field provided, as a result of the visual field being darkened , would be likely *devoid* of the overlay of associations which would have been present, if , instead, the light dot had been in a visual field (with other visual objects) which would have fostered a network of visual phenomenon .

                                                                                                                                                  The epistemic result, immediately after the reception of the dot of light through the eyes and into the visual cortex, would be that of a near generic awareness of brightness and, concurrently, something appearing, in a visual field where there had been no intrinsic visual quales immediately before . Hence , that would be a visual experience likely to be devoid of prejudicial associations and , hence, objective ."

                                                                                                                                                  Well, then again if said person had been in solitary confinement before, or had undergone sensory deprivation, they would probably organize the experience differently than another person who had an unreasonable fear of the dark or who was a claustrophobic; or, if they were by all measures "ordinary" for that matter. A dog point of view wouldn't experience the same thing as a mole's in the same situation; a Catholic Priest and a material fundamentalist hardcore atheist probably wouldn't experience the same thing in the same situation; an 18 year old male with Down Syndrome wouldn't have the same experience as a 44 year old Yale PhD, etc etc etc.
                                                                                                                                                  • Preliminary Question

                                                                                                                                                    Tue, November 15, 2011 - 6:00 AM
                                                                                                                                                    FOODCHAIN POSTED :a Catholic Priest and a material fundamentalist hardcore atheist probably wouldn't experience the same thing in the same situation; an 18 year old male with Down Syndrome wouldn't have the same experience as a 44 year old Yale PhD, etc etc etc.

                                                                                                                                                    RESPONSE: How, *at the onset* of the visual experience of suddenly seeing the dot of light (BEFORE any theoretical overlays are associated with the sense datum) could the experience of the dot of light be any different in each of the cases you mentioned (provided they all have optimal working eyes and so on ), when the presentation of a dot of white light appearing in a completely dark room would presumably be so *generic* ?
                                                                                                                                                    • Re: Preliminary Question

                                                                                                                                                      Tue, November 15, 2011 - 7:59 AM
                                                                                                                                                      "How, *at the onset* of the visual experience of suddenly seeing the dot of light (BEFORE any theoretical overlays are associated with the sense datum) could the experience of the dot of light be any different in each of the cases you mentioned (provided they all have optimal working eyes and so on ), when the presentation of a dot of white light appearing in a completely dark room would presumably be so *generic* ?"

                                                                                                                                                      Well, if a subject was completely blind, another hardly could see anything at all, and a third subject had 20/20 vision, their respective visual experiences would differ. All questions about one's seeing ability notwithstanding, I still think a competent neuroscientist would say the experiences could differ. I'm not a competent neuroscientist, however; it's just a hobby.
                                                                                                                                                      • Re: Preliminary Question

                                                                                                                                                        Tue, November 15, 2011 - 10:01 AM
                                                                                                                                                        However, in the thought experiment, I was envisaging a situation where all participants had regular vision .
                                                                                                                                                        • Re: Preliminary Question

                                                                                                                                                          Tue, November 15, 2011 - 10:14 AM
                                                                                                                                                          Ah yes, so you did. I wouldn't count on a generic outcome, though. I don't know if science has been able to demonstrate sensory input without categorization, organization, and perceptual bias. Someone who saw the light out of the corner of their eye may experience a moment of anxiety and the urge to examine it, whereas one who was facing the incoming light directly might be more startled, etc.
                                                                                                                                                          • Re: Preliminary Question

                                                                                                                                                            Tue, November 15, 2011 - 10:49 AM
                                                                                                                                                            Hadn't thought of the corner of the eye dynamics .
                                                                                                                                                            • Re: Preliminary Question

                                                                                                                                                              Tue, November 15, 2011 - 11:10 AM
                                                                                                                                                              Causes a critical delay of doubt and the need for further examination. Also, illustrates "point of view".
                                                                                                                                                              • Re: Preliminary Question

                                                                                                                                                                Tue, November 15, 2011 - 4:14 PM
                                                                                                                                                                The peripheral sight, would make sense and hehe yes a pun .
                                                                                                                                                                Isn't anxiety but rather a fight-or- flight response .
                                                                                                                                                                However a person may look to examine.
                                                                                                                                                                The person may perceive the sensation as an urge to look around.
                                                                                                                                                                Perception is saying such is anxiety but a person who has a chronic anxiety condition would know differently and might relate to such as a stress
                                                                                                                                                                which can make one feel like they are temporarily anxious or startled .
                                                                                                                                                                With a person who has the ability to see and hear, sound will connect the mind body and more easily with the brain senses and certain sense organs .
                                                                                                                                                                Sound is much slower than light and sound has temperature considerations .
                                                                                                                                                              • Re: Preliminary Question

                                                                                                                                                                Wed, November 16, 2011 - 7:14 AM
                                                                                                                                                                FOODCHAIN POSTED :Someone who saw the light out of the corner of their eye may experience a moment of anxiety and the urge to examine it, whereas one who was facing the incoming light directly might be more startled, etc .

                                                                                                                                                                RESPONSE : Wouldn't two persons who saw the dot of light head on by facing in the direction from which it emanated then have a uniform experience of the phenomenological sensory quale as it made the way through their eyes, into the visual cortex ?
                                                                                                                                                                • Re: Preliminary Question

                                                                                                                                                                  Wed, November 16, 2011 - 8:00 AM
                                                                                                                                                                  "Wouldn't two persons who saw the dot of light head on by facing in the direction from which it emanated then have a uniform experience of the phenomenological sensory quale as it made the way through their eyes, into the visual cortex ? "

                                                                                                                                                                  Highly unlikely imo.
                                                                                                                  • Re: I Will NOT accept this current era .

                                                                                                                    Wed, November 9, 2011 - 11:52 AM
                                                                                                                    "To call the above reply vague would be a colossal understatement ."

                                                                                                                    Again, you are too stupid and myopic to see that I was being very specific. Not an iota oof vagueness about it: ANY FUCKING GROUNDS YOU HOPELESS FUCK.

                                                                                                                    "sounds like you may have been somehow either reading a lot of the hogwash of Norman O Brown, or texts by some pot smoking anthropologist grad students ...."

                                                                                                                    Norman who? No, but I'll listen to any pot smoking hippie over you any day of the week. Is that too vague for your tapioca brain, fucktard?
                                                                                                                    • Re: I Will NOT accept this current era .

                                                                                                                      Thu, November 10, 2011 - 5:36 AM
                                                                                                                      "To call the above reply vague would be a colossal understatement ."

                                                                                                                      FOODCHAIN POSTED :Again, you are too stupid and myopic to see that I was being very specific. Not an iota oof vagueness about it: ANY FUCKING GROUNDS YOU HOPELESS FUCK.

                                                                                                                      RESPONSE: You call "any grounds" a specific enough reply to the aforementioned question ??????????????

                                                                                                                      "sounds like you may have been somehow either reading a lot of the hogwash of Norman O Brown, or texts by some pot smoking anthropologist grad students ...."

                                                                                                                      FOODCHAIN POSTED :Norman who? No, but I'll listen to any pot smoking hippie over you any day of the week.

                                                                                                                      RESPONSE : (1)) Norman O Brown---a very wrongheaded , sex positive thinker who had a loose approach to philology (the literary study of texts) .

                                                                                                                      (2). It figures you'd type that .

                                                                                                                      (As an aside , chances are better that you'd get better sorts of exhortations from hippies that use mescaline ,than the ones who smoke pot...)

                                                                                                                      Is that too vague for your tapioca brain, fucktard?

                                                                                                                      RESPONSE: (1)No, in all fairness , the above reply , though misguided , is not too vague .

                                                                                                                      (2). There you go again , using the term 'fucktard' . That shows a supercillous, inappropriate attitude from you .

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