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we should make a pact

2008-01-02T05:06:01Z

we should buy land somewhere if we get the money ever and start a city from scratch, if something works, keep it, if it doesnt, chuck it!

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MY plan thus far

2007-12-21T05:34:44Z

Firstly, I want to Emphasise that what you see below is written digitaly and can be changed with very little effort and no waste of paper. I do NOT have all the answers, though I used to believe I could have them all if I just applied a little focus.... so I picked something interesting and began to focus. gues what, you zoom in on Earth, you find a city, then a man, then an organ, then a cell, then protein, then atoms, then sub-attomic headache, then Quark style migrane, then blur because you're shining light on light trying to get a reflection.... which would still only give you a picture - not an understanding.
so, now I know only God can know it all, for God is it all. :)

now that thats under my belt I know that to accomplish what I want to, it will take Many minds, of Many different expertise and talents. I may for example, say we could do 'A' to deal with waste. yet I do not work in waste processing, so when Bob comes along and says 'A' is oldschool, why not use 'F'? I will not feel bad for my idea not being used, I will say great!!! someone who knows what they are talking about : Bob; I want you to take over designe of waste. THen Ted pops in and says Hey Bob, thats great, if you just tweak it like this...

and so it goes. in this way, we CAN accomplish the Goal I have set for us, together we are capable.

with this in mind, here is the skeleton I have worked on so far:

A global Government:
The president of the world elected from the house of regions, by the house of regions.
The president listens to the concerns and debates in the house of regions, then delegates priorities to the Departments of international co-operation.

these departments are responsible for inter-city/region infrastructure (transport via land, sea and air), Global police, Education standards (not specific, just basics, specifics determined by the city), Farming standards (again, standards of quality, but not dictating the methods), communication, waste management, New city construction and Global Dreams (IE space station, mission to mars etc.)

Again, the president must accurately meet the concerns of the whole house of regions, or he will be vetoes by a majority vote from the house. vote of no confidence is cause for new election.

House of regions: consists of the elected head of each region.

Head of region: acts as the global president, but only focused on his region

Region: Geographic areas (Prairies, mountain, desert, coast etc.)

House of region: the elected mayors of each city within the region meet to discuss the concerns of each city and see how they relate to each other as a whole. These mayors elect a head of their region to act as a spokesman for that region.

Mayor: Elected head of his city: sets the bi-laws for the city and reports to the house of his region.

The populous: choose how they wish to live; set their own religious laws, marriage laws, capitalism/communism (!!!!! to an extent, a global socialist resource management underlies everything, but luxuries and arts work on a capitalist basis if the city chooses to do so).
If you are a minority in your city, you are free to move to a city that supports your beliefs. Calgary and Edmonton could be polar opposites, yet still work together in their region.

That’s just the beginning though...

I want to re-build new cities.
Built on a circular basis, separating industrial, farming, residential and retail sectors. No roads, a comprehensive PRT system is built in with the foundations of the city. We take city planning to the extreme, mapping the construction out beforehand to extrapolate to the city limits. Place city pop limits beforehand to prevent overcrowding. a PRT (private rail transit) means that 2 or 4 person, mini-cars run on fixed tracks. they are directed my touch screen to wherever you wish to go (like a taxi), only there is no driver. these are on magnetic hover rails, so they are powered by the city's power grid, so there are no more drunk driving incidents, and no more exhaust.
Housing: BIG ISSUE: I feel a standard house of 2 bedrooms would work, as these could be converted to attach to a second house to create 4 bedroom houses for families. decor inside would be purely individualistic, but floor space and wall structure would be fairly standardized.
Farming: Focus on replenishing soil minerals to make farms a truly renewable resource rather than depleting the soil and using chemical fertilizers. i.e.: a plant may grow on jus PNK fertilizer, but that doesn't mean said plant will give you and minerals and nutrients that you need from it.
Power: Bio-Oil plants. this is a green energy producer, new technology, very yummy
www.canren.gc.ca/tech_appl/index.asp

This means that once the city is built, it is self perpetuating and we are no longer a cancer on Gaia.

Issues yet to be dealt with:
1; the truism, absolute power corrupts absolutely; in the context of the Global police being the ONLY armed forces- there is no guarantee against their corruption and subsequent overthrow of the system to create a global dictatorship.
2: this is a long term vision that requires patience and diligence. This is not something someone could do in a 4 year presidency.
3: the communist/ socialist aspect. I believe in it fully: when I die I take nothing with me, you only own something until someone takes it away from you, proving how arrogant you were to believe you could 'own' something. The resources of this planet belong to God, not man. We have dominion on earth and freewill. We use and exploit these resources, but when we are gone they remain. Therefore, out of love for our children and their children, we should conserve our life giving resources.
4: Religion. Faith is what motivates action. Today, scientists have more faith than the average Christian. Scientists BELIEVE that future technologies (something no one has witnessed yet) will solve the problems of the world. They have FAITH in the minds of man. Richard Feynman, Quantum physicist / Nobel Prize winner and father of one of the most useful quantum mechanics equations, said, and I quote, “I think I can safely say that no-one understands quantum mechanics". And yet I’m writing this because the equations work, regardless of the fact that we don't know why!
5: I wish to push a Spiritual, NON-Religious, NON-Indoctrinated, NON-traditionalist movement. I wish to spread the light that shows us why we should appreciate the breath we breath that grants us life. I wish to do this without telling people what to do or think. I believe this can only be achieved esoterically, which means I will set an example and hope that other will follow, but I cannot lead a crusade.
This issue causes me much confusion and turmoil.

So, what do you think?

Love, light and hugs to all

Namaste

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The Glorification of Money

2007-10-13T14:11:22Z

Through a long education process people have been taught to worship wealth. Many people consider it as important or even more important than their pets, their children, and their morality. Finely crafted and tuned marketing campaigns are aimed at making people think that money can bring romance, prestige or happiness.

The truth is that the creation of wealth only benefits one group, the banks. Maybe that is why they spend so much money on advertising that is designed to make you spend money, or give your money to them to manage for you.

Take a critical look at an example of one advertising campaign by one of the major credit card companies which shall remain nameless.

“Things to do while you’re alive:

Go to the Olympic Games
Tour MoMA with a personal guide
Visit an uninhabited island
Write a screenplay
Run with the bulls in Pamplona
Go scuba diving in Belize
Take your parents on a vacation
Experience Mongolia’s Naadam Festival
Bungee jump
Read and finish Moby-Dick
Swim all five oceans
Celebrate Mardi Gras in New Orleans
Ride the Orient Express
Visit the Taj Mahal
Drive on the autobahn
See Iguaza Falls
Heli-ski in British Columbia
Play Pinhurst No. 2
Ski first tracks at Deer Valley
Go to the Super Bowl
Find peace, love and understanding”

A list of 21 things to do before you die. How many things in this example would cost money? I count 18 out of 21. Now how many of the things to do on this list involve doing something for someone else. I count one. Do you think it is a coincident that self-gratification is tied to advertising to get you to spend your money. Or better yet money you have to borrow? I have yet to see an advertisement by a credit card company that tells you to spend money to:

Save a persons life
Rescue an animal from the shelter and feed and care for it for life
Clean out your closet and donate your cloths to charity
Volunteer with a youth group and keep kids out of trouble
Tutor a high school class or a college class
Clean up a vacant lot then plant trees and flowers

Altruism is not a good way to get people to spend money. Especially money they have to borrow. The advertising mavens have learned a long time ago that a persons ego and personal gratification are the way into their pockets, deep into their pockets.

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Hermetics Lecture in New York City

2007-10-12T17:53:30Z

A week from today; Friday October 19, 2007 at 6:00pm, I will be giving an address at the New Life Expo. The topic I will be speaking on is "The Hermetic Principles; the Secret beyond The Secret." In this address I will explain the Hermetic Principles, discuss their origin, discuss how "The Secret" and "The Law of Attraction" are descended from them, and how to use the Principles to more than just manifest; to create your personal reality by intention.

My lecture will be brief, but will allow sufficient time for a Q & A period to follow. I will distribute an introductory guide to Hermeticism (gratis), and a regimen of exercises utilizing the Hermetic Principles to "morp" the individuals life (also gratis). In the short period of this lecture: LIVES WILL BE CHANGED!!!

I invite all of my old friends to come as well as those new friends and colleagues whom I have not yet had the pleasure of meetinging person. If you are outside of the New York City area and can't attend, please share this information with friends who can. The venue offers limited space so please come a little early for the best selection of seating. I will be offering consultations after the lecture at booth #509 on the third floor, for the balance of Friday evening and throughout the day on Saturday and Sunday.

The New Life Expo will be Friday October 19, 2007 through Sunday October 21, 2007 at the Hotel New Yorker; 481 8th. Ave. @ 34th. St in New York City. To view their website please visit the following link: http://newlifeexpo.com/index.php

I look forward to seeing you there. Namaste,

al anderson

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The Love of Money

2007-07-19T23:47:30Z

Hi all. It's been awhile since I was here.

I posted this essay on another tribe but I feel that it will also have value here.

A lot of good things have been said about money.

This is not going to be one of those essays.

Nothing has such wide appeal as MONEY.

Somewhere the parallell of money to abundance has been altered and most of the world is in the dark about this.

Some of those who know and understand arent telling because of obvious reasons. The rest who do know and are telling are regarded as chicken littles or outright enemies of prosperity.

I stand firmly in the second group regardless of what others think of me.

New Age spiritual manifesters will tell you that there is more than enough money for all of us. That more money for all of us means increased prosperity and abundance for all of us.

Economics 101 says an increase in money in a society results in a drop in value of said money. We see it as Inflation.

Lets look at money then. The only currency that is legal tender is FIAT money.
What IS fiat money then?

Fiat money is that which is not backed by any commodity or precious metals but is legislated to be accepted as payment for value.

If fiat money is not backed by any rare and precious metal or commodity, where then does it come from?

It is written into existence by banks. It is written as loans.
MEANING then that money starts as debt. Once the debt is paid the money ceases to exist.
Money today is debt, pure and simple. Nothing else.

If you are still reading you are either angry at me for being a heretic or saying "what the *****!"

If youre still here, take heart for fortune favors the brave.

Money in fact stands directly between us and our true abundance. Yes, we can gather a little here and there for ourselves, even do good things with it to enhance abundance for ourselves and for others. Feed our families, send them to school, give to the less fortunate.

The history of money is long and sordid. There have been banking enterprises that were honest when money was in fact backed by commodity or precious metals. But the combination of ignorance of the general public and the greed for the easy profit of writing money into existence always won out. And true money disappeared.

Central banks primarily write money into existence as loans to national governments. Governments use said money for public services, wages, self interests and wars. War is such a great money maker for those who back both sides. That is, write money/debt into existence.

Smaller national banks write money into existence as personal loans, mortages etc. Their fractional reserve is barely enough to respond to depositors choosing to withdraw their money.

Meaning that once again huge amounts of money enter society. Economics 101, again says that increase in money in a society leads to the devaluation of that money. The problem with inflation is that it strikes those hardest who can bear it least. Those on low income, fixed income and wages.

An argument to this is that as prices increase so do wages so it evens out. But it does not address the fact that the savings or equity that you put into your house last year has less value than it does this year.

If inflation bites you hard enough you will either find yourself reborrowing or homeless. If inflation bites your place of work hard enough you will find yourself jobless too.
ALL because of an increase in money. Which is an increase in debt.

If you have neither home nor job you are the at the greatest risk from Inflation. From money.

The spending of all money carries with it the added burden of tax, every time it is spent, interest as well in most cases. Leading to more and more debt. Which we will see in a few short years is about to collapse under it's own weight.

Eisntein when asked what was the most amazing thing he had come across replied "compound interest"

Granted, this is a short essay on money and banking and skips over many things.

If you have grasped what I just said you will be wondering why we strive for that which is such a powerful enemy. I fully recognize that this tribe is about abundance and I am all for abundance. I know in my heart that we are all truly abundant beings.

The point I am making is that the more we focus on money, the more we stand in the way of our own true and full abundance.

I will be rather surprised if there are any more than just a few responses to this. And that's okay. I trust that my offering will reach those who are ready to receive it. I speak out of love. Love for all Love for those who suffer most from money. Love to those who choose greed over their own true and natural abundance.

Yes abundance is ours for the taking.
Love to all.

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Money

2007-04-07T13:55:14Z

Your comments on this would be appreciated.

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Everybody (well almost everybody) wants more of it, there never seems to be enough money to go around and almost all governments spend more money it has. You spend an enormous amount of time working for, thinking about, spending and being frustrated about money but do you really know what it is, where it comes from, who controls it and how it is created? There was a point in time that I thought that I knew where money came from, I was misinformed. Misinformed by an education system that only tells part of the story and ignores many of the not so obvious and not so pleasant facts. Misinformed by a financial industry that has an agenda of profit, gluttonous profit.

Sometimes the misinformation is not intentional. The mass media will print or broadcast statements made by members of the Federal Reserve, Bankers and economic experts. These statements always steer scrutiny for the current economic situation away from the institutions they represent and toward the actions of other countries, foreign banks and even people like you and me. You may find it hard to believe today but in the history of banking there were periods of extreme opposition to banks.

There are several problems facing almost every country today, unemployment, inflation, and ecological destruction as well as a large and rapidly growing debt. Invariably the blame is cast on the politicians running the country, the workers in the country, maybe even the weather of the country but never on the currency systems of the country.

The Current Economic System

Sometimes we want to believe things that simply can't be supported by research or facts. One is that the current monetary system benefits the majority of the people and is environmentally responsible. The warning signs that the current financial system is broken are all around us; war, environmental destruction, loss of bio-diversity, poverty are not isolated political or corporate problems they are systemic to the financial system.

The number of leading economists that are breaking ranks with the established financial institutions is growing. Several noted economists are speaking out saying the current financial system is severely broken. That a change in the way we think about money is required for the benefit of the majority and the environment. They see that the current financial system has diverged from its two main roles those being a standard of value and medium of exchange.

Today more money is traded as a commodity than it is used to move commodities and pay wages. Currency trading takes away control from people, corporations, governments (social good) and put it in the hands of a few traders whose interest is only in profits not stability. In fact instability generate more profits. The suffering that the instability causes generates profits. This will continue until an instability that is too large to control occurs.

Witness today the mantra of economic growth and free trade that are not leading us toward economic justice and environmental sustainability. Rather they are taking us in the direction of increasing economic injustice and environmental destruction. The present day economic situation is taking the world back to feudalism where a few controls the majority of the wealth in the world and the rest become indentured slaves due to their inevitable financial debts.

When it comes to the environment the debate always turns to jobs versus the environment. These arguments not only miss the point they are constructed to instill fear and sustain the status quo. The evidence is mounting that in a resource scarce world, neither is possible without the other.

The current economic system produces an irreconcilable conflict between the goal of creating economically just and environmentally sustainable societies and embracing sustained economic growth. The current policies are constructed to produce more millionaires and billionaires. They are not designed to achieving justice (social, economic or environmental) and sustainability.

Economic War

The economic war, and it is a war, for control of the worlds supply of money is being waged every day. It is a war for energy supplies and the currency used for exchange of the energy (petrodollars). Ruinous interest rates and onerous terms of trade are killing millions of people on a plundered planet. Hunger, sickness, homelessness, unemployment and criminality kill them. At the extreme some people receive millions a day in interest and children are sold into sexual slavery to pay off her parents debts.

Who controls the food supply controls the people; who controls the energy can control
whole continents; who controls money can control the world.
Henry A. Kissinger

Workers within countries are being forced into a war of wages and benefits with the current “free trade’ and Globalism movements. C. H. DOUGLAS predicted some of the current problems with trade and the protests against Globalism in 1924. His proposal of “Social Credit” does not receive a lot of course time in college economic courses if it is even brought up at all. When it is there is a certain amount of intellectual dishonesty in the discussion.

In all wars there are casualties, dead soldiers, homelessness, a damaged and polluted environment. You are involved in an economic war every month when you have to pay your home mortgage or your credit card bills. You have been drawn into an economic war with your neighbors and other people like you across the nation and across the globe and you probably didn’t even notice it.

Like all wars governments are involved. In the USA it is Congress that passes the laws and in the economic war this is where the battlefield is very heavily stacked against the individual consumer, citizen, voter, man or woman. In Congress the largest political contributions are credit cards companies and consumer financial service companies. Not big oil, not big pharmaceutical! A great big multibillion-dollar industry talking to Congress, whispering in their ear. Just like in a shooting war big money buys bigger and better guns. As in all wars, to the victor go the spoils, or in this case profits and not just good profits but extraordinary profits, unreasonable profits, unconscionable profits. This is a “feature” of government that is being copied all over the world from first world countries to third world countries. It is any wonder the third world countries are so heavily in debt?

Less than 1% of the population is now claiming ownership to almost 50% of the wealth and the trend is not in favor of the many but in favor of the few.

People control money (if they want to)

The Chinese parable of “The Monkey Master” is a story of what happens when a people wake up the their enslavement and take back control of their destiny. Money is a system designed by people, if it doesn’t serve us we can redesign it. Many people in the past have done exactly this. There are examples of alternative currencies functioning for the benefit of all the people. Where there has been too much success, Worgl for example, the central bank of the country had stepped in and outlawed the alternative currency plunging the community back into economic depression.

Alternative Currency, Alternative Economy

Changing the worlds economic system won’t be easy. There is an enormous amount of inertia to be overcome. There is also a huge body of myths about the current system of money. The money system is intentionally obfuscated to make it difficult for people to understand. Replacing the current currency system with an Alternative currency is not a popular idea especially with many of the governments in the world, the captains of industry and especially the financial industry.

History shows a better world is possible when committed people work hard enough for it. A small number of committed people ended slavery. Committed people helped workers win the right to organize and bargain collectively. The women’s suffrage movement won women the right to vote and regain control of their own bodies. Minorities won important civil rights.

Changing the world’s economy will be far more difficult than any of the proceeding changes in history. A change in the economy would shift control from a few powerful governments and a small group of people to majority of people. This type of change like overthrowing never comes easily. The current system is an economic dictatorship and history has shown that eventually all dictatorships fall under its own weight, greed and corruption. You can see some of this happening every day. By constructing and using an alternative currency now the transition from economic dictatorship to freedom will be possible.

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New Cities Like it or not

2006-12-29T20:33:13Z

We may have no choice but to relocate millions of our citizens. This may come as a result of the sea level rising in the aftermath of massive ice melts from Antarctica and the Greenland Ice Masses. If these event occur and they well may the level of the oceans may rise as much as 60 to 70 feet. This will make 75% of our costal cities uninhabitable. This will require that these people are found new home inland away from the encroaching sea and the new weather pattern of the new coasts.

America is a vast place. Much of this country is empty. We have many metropolitan megalopoli already. But these are not ideally suited to becoming homes for the displaced millions. Indeed many of these cities "just happened". They were not planned and as Sinclair Lewis described in "Main Street" when he asked in his famous riddle about the future that America was constructing 80 years ago, "What is its future? she wondered. A future of cities and factory smut where now are loping empty fields? Homes universal and secure? Or placid chateaux ringed with sullen huts? Youth free to find knowledge and laughter? Willingness to sift the sanctified lies? Or creamy-skinned fat women, smeared with grease and chalk, gorgeous in the skins of beasts and the bloody feathers of slain birds, playing bridge with puffy pink-nailed jeweled fingers, women who after much expenditure of labor and bad temper still grotesquely resemble their own flatulent lap-dogs? The ancient stale inequalities, or something different in history, unlike the tedious maturity of other empires? What future and what hope?"

Indeed that was the paradigm of the birth of our inner cities. They were amalgamated rather than concieved and built. They were the result of successive periods of boom and bust in which consecutive rings of construction was based upon the placid chateaux ringed with sullen huts that Lewis described.

Yet we need not repeat these errors. We can create an entire new world withing our borders and WE NEED NOT DO SO ONLY BECAUSE OF THE DESTRUCTION OF OUR COSTAL CITIES. We can begin to create a new America with 22nd century construction in an ecologically oriented philosophy. We can build cities that are energy machines based in renewable resources. But by choice or by necessity we will be building these new cities.

There is another imperative for doing this. That is the by-product of economic development and sector growth. Much of the wealth that we enjoy in America today is based in the growth of our cities and the resultant creation of capital. By intentionally building new sustainable cities we can experience this engine of growth running again and this time distribute the wealth it creates to the people, rather than to a small investor elite.

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Life Support

2006-12-17T13:29:07Z

In his book Critical Path Buckminster Fuller estimated that approximately 75% of the workforce was not engaged in the creation or supply of life support. He cited poloticians, insurance brokers/suppliers, beaurocrats, military and so on.

He didnt specifically mention police officers or the judicial system but I would personally put them in the same category. Not that I have a problem with police officers as human beings but I do see the profession as an extension of the price system in our current state of things.

Obstruct the flow of money and they are bound to be at your door. The number of people in prison for violent crimes does not even reach the top 10.

And have you noticed that we give the greatest financial reward and respect to those professions which are the most anti human? Lawyers and judges who abuse the law and personal freedoms, doctors who focus on disease but not health, priests who offer religion but not spirituality.....

As I have said, I have no personal objection to people who do these jobs, I just think that it is high time we re examine them.

And here is a great page from the Why Work site. A site dedicated to examining and possibly changing the wage slave ethic.
http://www.whywork.org/rethinking/leisure/bucky.html

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Social Credit Economy

2006-12-17T12:57:36Z

I love "speculative fiction" and have read it for most of my life. The so-called Dean of Science Fiction Writers Robert A. Heinlein, has had more influence on me than any other individual on earth. He is the father of my spirit and the progenitor of all that I believe in philosophically. Much of what you say in this tribe is point on but I don't believe that Socialism or Communism are the answers. I would like to present the concepts that RAH postulated in his book, "Beyond This Horizon".

I posted the followin in another tribe, (I think it was the intentional communities tribe) but I think that it is equally valid here.

The Social Credit (Socred) System of Economics

Robert A. Heinlein wrote about an idealized system based on these ideas in his earlier novels. He wrote most cogently in "Beyond This Horizon" which I reccomend to everyone. Although written in 1942 his premises are still relevant:

(from Wikipedia)
<The world has become an economic utopia; the "economic dividend" is so high that work has become optional. The chief economic problem is in finding a way to use up the economic surplus: much goes into scientific research, but this has the side-effect of further increasing productivity a decade or three later, so long-term projects with no possible economic return are favoured.

The society in the book uses a method to prevent inflation: the government makes a deal with business owners. Instead of increasing prices, they cut prices, and the government (or the Bank of the United States) pays them the difference after seeing their sales receipts. Like the guaranteed income or heritage checks, this money comes out of the inkwell. In the future, the government no longer uses taxation to fund itself. The characters point out that present "fractional reserve" law allows banks to create money (by loaning out many times more money than they have on hand), while in Heinlein's future society only the US government can create US currency.>

The underlying philosophy and economic model weren't Heinlein's. He adapted them from the Social Credit movement of the 1920's. The Hearst Organization and it's Fascist confreres discredited discussion of these concepts before WW2. It would be dangerous to bring them up again (the eyes are still watching) but FYI:

(also from Wikipedia)
Social Credit (often called Socred for short) is an economic ideology and a social movement which started in the early 1920s. Social Credit was originally an economic theory developed by Scottish engineer Major C. H. Douglas. The name Social Credit came from his desire to make the betterment of society (Social) the goal of the monetary system (Credit).

C. H. Douglas proposed that because the amount of money available under capitalism is necessarily lower than the total cost of goods produced, there will always be insufficient money to pay a realistic, sustainable price. He demonstrated this fundamental flaw with his A+B theorem, which states that if A is the payments made to all the consumers in the economy (through wages, dividends, and interest paid to banks) and B is the payments made by producers that are not eventually paid out to consumers (such as the overhead costs of buildings and equipment as they wear out) then the price charged for all goods must be at least A+B — an impossibility since only A is available to spend.

For such a system to sustain itself Douglas asserted that some or all of the following must happen:
· People go into debt by buying on credit
· Governments borrow and increase the national debt
· Businesses borrow from banks to finance expansion, in a way that creates new
money
· Businesses sell below cost, and eventually go bankrupt
· A state wins a trade war, putting foreigners in debt to us for our surplus of exports
· A state has a real war, "exporting" goods such as tanks and bombs to the enemy without ever expecting to be paid for them, financing this by government borrowing
If these things don't happen "businesses are forced to lay off workers, unemployment rises, the economy stagnates, taxes go unpaid, governments cut back services, and we have widespread poverty, when physically all of us could be living in plenty."

Douglas believed that Social Credit could fix this problem by ensuring that there was always enough money (credits) issued to buy all the goods that could be produced. His solution is outlined in three core demands:
1. For a "National Credit Office" to calculate on a statistical basis the amount of credit that should be circulating in the economy;
2. For a price adjustment mechanism to absorb windfall profits in times of inflation, and return them to people in terms of subsidized, lower prices when the cost of goods on the market exceeds the money available to buy them;
3. For a "National Dividend" to give a basic guaranteed income to all regardless of whether or not they have a job.

The engineer argued that this last demand makes sense now that automation and labor-saving devices have reduced the number of workers we need to produce our goods, and the hours they would have to work.
Douglas' ideas enjoyed great popularity during the Great Depression, although not enough to realize his plan.

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The face of the "Beast"

2006-12-15T18:10:03Z

The following is an article that I excerpted from the CommonDream.org site. If you are not aware of Common Dreams I heartily suggest that you visit and bookmark it. It is the best portal for news, information, and opinion that is not controlled by the corporations. It is accessible at: www.commondreams.org

THE NEW AMERICAN CLASS SYSTEM - Giga-billionaires are climbing the ladder and pulling it up behind them. Your six-figure salary won't even get you on the bottom rung.

By Jeff Gordinier

You know this guy from college. He runs a hedge fund—let's call it Colossal Capital Strategies—and if you’re diligent or masochistic enough to do a little research, you’ll find out that he made about $100 million last year. He’s 36 years old and he has billions under management. The Wall Street Journal likes to refer to him as a “high-net-worth individual,” but that wording seems so odd and clunky—the sort of boardroom-pretzel terminology that some lawyer from Enron might use to explain away a phantom transaction.

No. Let’s call him a luxocrat.

A luxocrat is not merely rich, but rich in a way that you couldn’t have imagined back in college. (Otherwise you would have been nicer to the guy.) He’s rich enough to guarantee that every calorie that passes his lips has been fussed over by a master chef, rich enough to share his truffled foie gras with the treasury secretary on a Gulfstream headed for Barbados, rich enough to impulse-buy doodads from the Robb Report with a black American Express Centurion card (whose existence you weren’t even aware of), rich enough to make your proud and dutiful little 401(k) look, in comparison, like the mound of coins that an Appalachian beet farmer might stash away in a pickle jar. A luxocrat is enormo-rich, robber-baron rich, 21st-century rich, swelled up with a wealth of such magnitude that it suggests the American class system would have to undergo a wholesale restructuring in order to accommodate it.

Which is arguably what’s happening at this very moment

As long as these "luxocrats" control the media and through it the public discours; we will continue down the road toward extinction. They have it in their minds that the final days will be like the final hours on board the Titanic. Their vision is that they will be travelling in first class and thereby have access to the lifeboats (on the boad deck) while you, I, and our familes will be down in steerage with the stairwells coming up barricaded and secured with chains. It's a grim way to look at the world, but if the highest priority is to set a record for crossing the Atlantic, and the people in charge are busy drinking Champagne, have no doubt we will eventually ram into an iceberg.

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Walking A Fine Line

2006-10-21T20:03:34Z

Hey everyone. This is my new spiritual adventure book, reminiscent of "Celestine Prophecy" only 100% true events which led to my spiritual awakening and subsequent training to become a healer/teacher in the personal development movement. You can order this book at my website www.trentnelsoninspires.com. A contribution and support for the healers. I'll definately be around.

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Resource based economy

2006-10-21T19:40:16Z

I thought the ideas of the Venus Project seem particularily relevant to this tribe, and the ideas behind it.
I would like to put some more time into discussing this, but at the moment I am deep within the process of a building an aquaponics system, (which also has large potential of being a great food supply for the city of dreams)

http://www.thevenusproject.com/resource_eco.htm

I will input futher later....

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Global Gov.

2006-10-21T18:04:04Z

The focus here is on the Global Government.

1. This is pertaining to Earth, which means that what I want my city and personal life to be like should not enter. How I want to live my life will determine how I vote in my city. The city has huge freedom of action, so any specifics, like "I want schooling based on apprenteship with only basic gerneral studies" do not apply to this post.

2. Because this is an attempt to create a universal system it must be minimal, a skeleton that allows for flexibility.

3. This system is designed to outlive ALL of us. Therefor, its mandate should be something LONG term, so don't be afraid to envision something you don't believe you will ever see. Have faith in the future consequences of our actions, and be wary of these consequences.

4. We must clearly define the juristiction of G.G. verse city state. these juristictions will overlap, but if there is too much flexibility it will allow a twisting of laws which enable a strong ruler to exert unwanted influence on the world. The focus here is Global UNpower. I do not seek to place a dictator in charge of Earth. Also, remember that if this system is still in place in 300 years we have no idea what kind of man will be in charge, therefore the way we word and define the system is our only influence on preserving the future. I am not saying this to be negative on our future potential, but rather to emphasise the care with with we must conduct ourselves in undertaking a task of such consequencial weight.

5. Again, please do not be afraid of saying something that you might feel others will judge as silly. remember the first time man flew? the first sumbarine insulated with pig fat? The world is round, no flat? Its much easier to giggle at ten silly ideas before we find a gem, than to sit in silence waiting for the perfect vision to strike us. Also, by examining unpracticle ideas we expand our basis for why the good ones are the right ones, a process of deduction if you will.

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Introductions

2006-10-21T17:35:31Z

Who are you, why are you here, and what brought you to the understanding of the oneness of everything?

....

also, what we are doing is a serious task, but it need not be gloomy.

everyone yell out loud "Lama Lama, YEEEEEAH BABY!!!!"

hehe, Lama

let us not forsake our humor lest our spirits become daunted by the weight of the mountain we WILL move.

Namaste

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OUR city

2006-10-21T17:26:42Z

This is where our specific, personal views may come out. Remembering that the G.Gov is a very basic, moderating body, this, Municipal Government, is really where the details lie.

Once we have enough people in this tribe and enough investment, we can begin.
first we need a plan.

so, were in the world do we want to live?

personal, I want to live in Kenya.

However, I believe that Kenya would be best left to nature as a wild-life reserve forever. (the current, semi-nomadic tribes are at harmony with this nature, and so there is no problem with thier continued exsistance in this beautiful land)

So, what about Zimbabwe? Magabe has nearly completely destroyed all civilization there, the exchange rate is now 175 000 dollars to one pound, as aopposed to 2 dollars to the pound 20 years ago.
This would mean a terraforming of destroyed land infested with malaria and sleeping sickness.
If we could accomplish our goal there it would prove that it is possible to do it anywhere.

how big must the city be at its initial conception? 3 000? 21 000?

next, do we build this city based on what we consider the bare nessesities, or do we create a model that is still atractive to the modern, comfort spoiled westerner?

ie: do we revert to horses, or do we build a technologicly advanced city with a PRT system set into the foundations?

IF we go with the loose outline I posted in the pictures, we have a fairly nice model to start from.

so: in the residential area, do we provide personal gardens between each house, or are there no small gardens, thus allowing more space for larger parks and wild-life?
I myself am comfortable with both, so I'm looking for the group's thoughts here.

next, do we have a water powered sewage system collecting in a treatment plant for use as tree fertalizer? or do we use composting toilets for use in personal gardens?

what of technology? do we build fibre optic cables into the foundations?

mmmm, soooo many aspects, perhaps we will have to break this post apart to seperate the focused discussions...

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Ozone Restoration Act and integrated systems!

2006-07-21T11:48:01Z

There needs to be a law making hydrogen reformation from anything but water illegal as standard practices of reformation lead to oxygen depletion! As well we should initiate an Ozone Restoration Act which would allocate government funding for the restoration of our environment through the use of sub orbital stratospheric ozone/ ion emitters which would operate on solar energy and wind. As well we could construct emitters of this sort in the pole regions. Something like the HARP system in Alaska but only bigger.

The way an ozone emitter works is by taking 3 oxygen molecules and breaking the bonds to create 2 ozone molecules. Since the third atoms of the O3 are unstable they are forced to detach bond to other atoms in order to become stable. This bond takes place between chemical patriculats in the environment thereby neutralizing them. Also when air is negatively charged it causes the particles in the air to bond with one another increasing their mass and causing them to fall to the ground.

These are the principals which make the Sharper Image Ionic Breeze machines work to clean the air in homes. We use this technology in our submarines as well. We can apply these simple principles to reverse the greenhouse effect. As well we have the technology to take two atoms of CO2 to make C2 and 2 O2 molecules. There have been discussions to use this technology to terraform Mars. Why not invest in something a little more worth while. Since we will never be capable of not polluting entirely we might as well figure out ways to regulate the pollution so that it does not have catastrophic effects on our eco system.

An Ozone Restoration Act would pass laws which would limit and regulate the amount of gases from industrial facilities and transportation vehicles as well as provide funding for research in the development of technologies to repair the damage we have already done. If there was the financial means behind this type of movement it would not take long to go into effect. We can use our technology to get us out of this mess.

Alternative fuels are only part of the solution but they are a good start. The development of bio fuels from agricultural waste in conjunction with hybrid systems and more efficient engines will have a huge effect on the pollution in major metropolitan areas. From what I am aware the most reliable fuel source the is most plentiful on this planet is water. Perhaps the development of Deuterium vehicles are the best bet in conjunction with a hybrid maglev transit system. We can make cars operate on land and sea or in the sky why not make cars which can operate on magnetic rails traveling at 300 MPH. A maglev train traveling at 300 MPH uses the same amount of energy as a home air conditioning unit. This can be reduced if we run the train through a vacuum tunnel. reducing the wind resistance would increase the efficiency of maglev transport systems. Faster is better! Imagine a personal transit vehicle that could travel 1000 MPH inside a mavlev tunnel and when you arrive from LA to New York in 2.5 hours the car would convert back to the standard wheel configuration for local transit.

This would enable us to reduce inner city congestion by allowing people to commute from 1000 miles away to work every day. Computer control systems would prevent accidents. Simply a more reliable more efficient means of getting around. People could also have local electric vehicles to go to the store or there would be automated electric transportation system in the order of electric automated taxis and monorail systems. Total Recal meets Disney Land. The world perceived in such movies as A.I., Minority Report, I Robot, etc. is not to far off from our capabilities! We have the technology to automate everything from the manufacturing of our homes to the systems inside of them. We need to start implementing these systems to a point where we are still needed. This newly found freedom will allow us to focus on arts, science, enlightenment, etc.

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Alternative energy source: Pros and Cons

2006-05-05T15:36:03Z

We have a few new technologies to look at here:

Joe's Cell, Bio-Oil, the Gravity Motor, Solar Power, Geo-thermal, Wind power, Hydrogen fuel cells (these are a secondary stage and require one of the other energy sources to prep it), hamster wheel turbines....

If you have any thoughts on any of these, feel free to let rip.

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In our city: Transport

2006-04-20T17:23:24Z

Public trans to the max:
Maglev / PRT system - small cars on rails, computer guides, multiple route, multiple destination, electric engine.
Same system as uniform housing, in that once you have paid for a car, you no longer need to pay anymore. so, you could pay each time you use it, or pay monthly, or pay all out. eventualy, you become a free passenger.

Or

Roads n sidewalks. personal 'ownership' of vehicles in the traditional scense- competeing companies maufacture cars. Here a city may pass bi-laws on fuels, IE perhaps only electric/hydrogen/fuel cell/ joe's cell/ bio-oil cars allowed?
Could there be a Global Government ban on fossil fuel cars? or should that be left to the city bi-laws?

- could still have gps guided personal vehicles, so an insivible trak in the city, and then manual control in the country.

OR

horses and grass

OR

Geneticaly created 'riding pets'
designer animals for transport

con - we have no idea what we are fucking with

pro - flying around on a dragon or griffon

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Global Population control

2006-04-20T17:11:27Z

Hugely contravertial.

you have a lake. algae is growing. there is a nice ballance - fish eating algae, algea feeding off fish waste.
There are no predators, the fish multiply. The fish eat all the algae. The fish die. This planet can only support so many life-forms.

the issues:
do we set the limit by the amount of food that can be grown on the earth's surface? this means rainforests will b cut down and turned into farmland.
If we become vegitarian we can support many times the population. Will our overpopulating trend force us into veganism?
If we go with aquaponics we can have greenhouses of multiple floors, now we can support huge populations.
Will we be happy when we live in little cubicles with food grown in laboritories? at least there will be lots of us!
Do we adapt to the stresses of our population and use its momentum as a driving force behind our technological advancements?
Or do we halt our nature and control our population consiously?
where do we draw the line?
Does a global Government have the right to enforce a population control?
Should we be colonizing other planets and exporting our excess population by means of economical encouragement to settlers of new worlds?

Who is the champion for natural environments? Who speaks for the beasts and plants with no voice?

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In our city; Housing

2006-04-20T16:37:49Z

We need to come up with a houseing concept. I belive that each city should be able to develop thier own concept, so if we come to a conclusion here, that doesn't mean we should expect to see this world-wide. Also, if as a tribe we are split between two designs, well then I'm sure both will manifest in different cities somewhere someday.
This is where it does get personal. take your mental art-brush and design your future.

some ideas to begin:

Megastructure:
A massive appartment complex. like a castle of olden times, everything you need under one roof. there would be couryards and open spaces within, but no gardens. This city would be a fixed size, with little flexibility - good for where population limits need to be enforced. Good for efficiency of infrastructure ie. heat, water, transit etc.
Negatives- could be claustraphobic, stagnant.

Individual housing:
With garden: allows for more natural personal space, greater individuality for children. Garden can be used to grow herbs and vegitables, mabey even a fruit tree. could have a pond for fish, could even set up an aquaponics garden.
Without garden: much smaller city, means more community space and more wildlife.

Community space - could be gorgeous forests and parks. Means more social activity for children, less isolation, less privacy.

Question: How does the spectrum of isolated play to community play affect the phyche of a child?
speculation: all in all, a ballance would be best.
Speculated action: Have individual gardens, but focus the city structure around communal play.

The house itself:
Unique: house built in the owner's desired fashion
Issue: money, does one buy a larger plot, or are all plot sizes equal?
this means little or no municipal control over housing. regulations could be set for energy efficiency... but if we have a wealth disparity, then some may just 'afford' to be wasteful.

Uniform: Houses built factory style, the latest in our knowledge to create efficient housing. these houses would be very cheap to construct and maintain, repairs would be easy.
This creates a situation where no one owns a house. here, if you wanted to move to the other side of the city, you just trade houses. everyone rents. 'rent' could be financed in the same way as a purchase. you rent for life, so perhaps you have a minimum monthly payment, but once you have piad a certain amount, you 'own' your house. you own a house. not 'this' house, as you can still trade, but basicly, you have earned your right to houseing and no longer need to pay for it.

If similar systems were setup globaly, then you could also move anywhere in the world without having do do anything other than present your ID.

THe negative: uniform housing; how can any one company say 'this' is the perfect home, you will all conform. I think people need to be able to personalize thier habitat. Although today we DO have appartment buildings where hundreds of people manage to create a personalized space within a uniform wall structure... so perhaps the issue isn't that bad after all... thoughts?

Modular Megastructure:
One giant conglomerate as with Megastructure... except that this one grows and evolves. Parts for housing made factory style, yet parts are interchangable to create a variety of easily constructed houses. this way the city structure grows with the population and old segments can be easily replaced with more modern ones (200 years form now we are going to have some different ideas).

is it possible to have personal gardens in a megastructure style city?
is it feasable to have effective disaster control in an interconnected infrastructure? IE: is fire an issue?
If we have personal gardens, the city is then limited to a ground level structure.
If there is no garden, we could have 100 houses on top of one anouther.

If we have sky scraper appartments, then even with extensive greenspaces... will we not be overcrowded?
- new topic.

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Please help

2006-04-08T01:49:08Z

please go to this website to send a fax to the related US
congress and senate members to Request a Congressional Hearing on the
Sujiatun case. it's a very easy to Fill out form, With just a click, the fax will be sent.
thank you,
joshua

here is the link:
http://publicpetition.unvcc.com/UN/index.php

there is more information about Sujiatun on the website:
http://www.theepochtimes.com/211,111,,1.html

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Prayers are deeply needed this Equinox!!!

2006-03-19T16:39:43Z

Greetings Kindred Spirits

This year's Equinox will be on March 20/Solar 14 Red Electric Dragon @10:26am PST. To find out the time of the equinox in your bioregion, you may reference: http://www.archaeoastronomy.com/2006.shtml

There are several global prayer synchronizations occurring that we wanted to share with you. Please visit this link to learn about the different opportunities to participate:
http://www.souledout.org/festivals/globalmeditations/global.html

"On Equinox, the Earth and Sun are in perfect balance and harmony, as the sun is centered between the Northern and Southern hemispheres, and centered between earth and sky. This creates a sacred cross of balancing energy that naturally harmonizes the planet and humanity. When we consciously work with this energy, we have a great opportunity to affect a deep and positive change in the mass consciousness and our world. We can use this energy to manifest anything we desire. The bigger the wave of consciousness, or intensity of voltage of the energy, the easier it is for us to bring about shift changes.

Ancient traditions of the world understood that the EQUINOX is a powerful time for manifesting dreams and visions and to accelerate synchronicity and intuition. From the pyramids in Egypt and Mexico, to the stone circles in England, to the solar markers in the Native northwest, Equinox is time that was honored as a powerful and transformative time. On any given Equinox, we have an incredible opportunity to make a profound difference in our world." - Aluna Joy

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One signficant synchronization that we can focus spiritual attention on is occurring in the political arena during this Storm Wavespell:

IMPORTANT!! >>>>>>>> Iran is planning to open an International Oil Bourse on March 20-26, for the express purpose of trading oil in Euros rather than dollars. According to political analysts from Europe, there is a high possibility that this event could trigger the beginning of a global systemic rupture aka a worldwide political, economic, financial and possibly military crisis. Obviously, it is speculative as the event has yet to happen, but we felt called to offer this information that it may catalyze us to utilize this powerful time of Equinox to focus our spiritual energies that we might positively balance these extremely volatile times. We are also reminded that 3 years ago on the Equinox was the US invasion of Iraq. At this moment, our intentions of Peace carry great weight. May the highest harmonious possibility unfold for our Planetary Family. May we all be guided by our divine spirits to partipate in the healing and balancing of our world.

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If you wish to research more on the topic of the Oil Bourse, one source is: http://www.europe2020.org/en/section_global/150206.htm

For an inspiring article, please check out this link:
The Power of Community: How Cuba Survived Peak Oil
http://www.globalpublicmedia.com/articles/657

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As Mayan Messenger Carlos Barrios said, "We have the responsibility and possibility to change the destiny, we have our weapons... And we are not talking violence...our weapons are meditation, sacred ceremonies, the thought of millions of people, the amazing power of mind, creating the harmony of love, respect and spreading conscience...violence is not the answer, do not look for the answer on the intellect and the strength, the answer is in the power of your heart..."

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This Blue Storm Wavespell closes with a New Moon and Total Solar Eclipse on March 29/Solar 23 White Crystal Dog.

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May We Meet In The Eye of The Storm,
Eden and Robert Sky
www.13moon.com

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New Witness Confirms Existence of Chinese Concentration Camp, Says Organs Removed from Live Prisoners

2006-03-17T18:33:34Z

Please help to end this horrible persectuion. knowledge is our greatest weapon, please share this information. together in peace we can make a difference. Falun Dafa is a peaceful meditation practice that teaches putting others before yourself, kindness, always telling the truth and being tolerant of others. We are literally being killed for being good people. The national media refuses to report on this because of trade issues with China. It is up to us to let the world know. Please help us.

By Ji Da
The Epoch Times Mar 17, 2006
www.theepochtimes.com

The witness, a former employee at the Liaoning Thrombosis Treatment Center of Integrated Chinese and Western Medicine, and says the bodies of Falun Gong practitioners are cremated immediately after the organs are removed. (The Epoch Times)
[High-resolution image ] A former employee of Liaoning Provincial Thrombosis Hospital of Integrated Chinese and Western Medicine told The Epoch Times during a recent interview that the Sujiatun Concentration Camp in China was actually a part of a hospital. The concentration camp has engaged in taking organs from Falun Gong practitioners when they were still alive and selling the organs. Since 2001, the concentration camp has secretly detained approximately 6,000 Falun Gong practitioners, none of whom have been able to leave the camp alive. The hospital removed many kidneys, livers, and corneas from the practitioners. After the organ removal, the practitioners were thrown into an incinerator, which was converted from a boiler. Their ashes were dumped together with burned charcoal.

Organs from Three Quarters of the 6,000 People Were Removed
Those whose organs were removed were in various states of health. Because many of the victims were illegally detained, there was neither an arrest warrant nor identification as to who these people actually were. Often after their organs were removed, nobody claimed the bodies. Sometimes their bodies were picked up by crooks who pretended to be their family members.

About three-quarters of the 6,000 people died after their hearts, kidneys, corneas, or skin was removed; their bodies were then burned. This witness, whose family member participated in the removal of Falun Gong practitioners' organs, said that approximately 2,000 Falun Gong practitioners remain in the hospital. She was afraid that the authorities would kill all of them to destroy evidence.

The Liaoning Provincial Thrombosis Hospital of Integrated Chinese and Western Medicine is located at 49 Xuesong Road, Sujiatun, Shenyang City, Liaoning Province, China. It was the first hospital in China to specialize in the heart, the brain, and surrounding blood vessels. The hospital is composed of several organizations, including the Liaoning Traditional Chinese Medicine College Teaching Hospital and the Shenyang Thrombosis Treatment Center.

Concentration Camp Details
The hospital site is 21,087 square meters, with 17,564 square meters of building area. It employs 460 people in 24 departments and 20 specialized offices. Information from the Chinese government shows that the hospital was established in December 1988, and was formerly named the Shenyang Research Institute of Thrombosis and Liaoning Province Thrombosis Treatment Center of Integrated Chinese and Western Medicine. In June 1998, it was renamed China Traditional Medicine Thrombosis Treatment Center.

The Chinese Business Morning View said in a story on July 4, 2004, that a farm worker died of abnormal causes in Sujiatun, Shenyang and was later cremated. The death certificate was provided by the Chinese Medicine Thrombosis Treatment Center in Sujiatun. The news caused a stir in China.

A copy of the death certificate. (The Epoch Times Archives Photo)Below is the transcript of an Epoch Times reporter's interview with the former staff member of the Liaoning Provincial Thrombosis Hospital of Integrated Chinese and Western Medicine in Sujiantun, Shenyang City. Questions were posed by the reporter and answered by the staff member being interviewed.

Epoch Times: Did the hospital's medical staff inside the concentration camp know about this?

Answer: This hospital has a small number of officials and some doctors involved secretively in the operation of organ harvesting. Some other staff in the hospital knew about this, but this is absolutely a taboo [to talk about]. They all are afraid of being killed or courting trouble, so they all avoid the issue. Only those highly trusted doctors could be chosen to be the surgeons for organ harvesting operations.

ET: Were Falun Gong practitioners alive when their organs were harvested? Did their families know about this?

Answer: Falun Gong practitioners who were imprisoned there came mostly from Dabei Prison, Masanjia Labor Camp, and other prisons in Shenyang, or they were Falun Gong practitioners arrested in parks or residential homes. Because they refused to denounce Falun Gong, they were arrested without formal warrants, and their families did not know their situation. Many did not even have their names [recorded]. In addition, since the Chinese authority exercises a policy of "not being responsible" for killing Falun Gong practitioners, the death of Falun Gong practitioners is not a very big issue for prisons. The Chinese Communist Party persecutes Falun Gong, [but] these medical personnel were told Falun Gong practitioners were facing death because they killed people, or they were sentenced to death because of crimes, or they had become insane from practicing Falun Gong.

Those Falun Gong practitioners whose organs were harvested came from several types.

Organs harvested from live bodies are worth far more than organs taken from dead bodies. Many Falun Gong practitioners were still alive when their organs were taken. After their organs were cut out, some of these people were thrown directly into the crematorium to be burnt, thus leaving no evidence. For some others, after their organs were stolen, the doctor sewed up the wound and asked the family or family representative to give a signature for cremation. Family members did not know at all that the dead had their organs taken out.

Furthermore, there were some healthy Falun Gong practitioners in prisons in other areas who were injected—without their knowledge—with psychoactive drugs that made their minds confused. They then were transferred to Sujiantun concentration camp to suffer further torture, till in the end their organs were harvested and their bodies were cremated in secret.

Among the Falun Gong practitioners whose organs were harvested, some were weak and some were healthy. Since most of them were illegally arrested, there were no arrest warrants or identification cards. After their organs were taken out while they were still alive, no one came to claim their bodies; or [sometimes] people using fake identities claimed their bodies.

None of these people have come out [of the concentration camp] alive; three-quarters of these 6,000 people have died, having their hearts, kidneys, retinas, and skins harvested and their bodies disposed of. I think now about 2,000 Falun Gong practitioners are still in this hospital, and I am afraid now that the authority will destroy all evidence and kill them.

Question: How did you know these things? Were you yourself a doctor involved in organ harvesting?

Answer: I worked at the Liaoning Provincial Thrombosis Hospital of Integrated Chinese and Western Medicine, Shenyang. This is exactly where this concentration camp is located. One of my family members was involved in the operation to harvest Falun Gong practitioners' organs. This has brought great pain to our family.

Question: Please tell us what you knew about.

Answer: From 2001, our hospital started to detain Falun Gong practitioners. At the beginning, these people were detained in the single-storey houses in the back yard of the hospital. Later, the hospital authorities demolished the single-storey houses, and it was unknown where in the hospital the Falun Gong practitioners were transferred. Many staff of the hospital discussed in private that these Falun Gong practitioners had been secretly transferred to the underground chambers of the hospital. According to some people working inside the hospital, the hospital has a huge system of secret underground chambers.

At the time when we went to work there, the person in charge of logistics and purchasing in the hospital said that the quantity of disposable sterile gloves used for operations and daily supplies that the hospital authorities asked to be purchased had increased dramatically. The logistics people estimated based on the scale of purchases at that time that there were at least 6,000 Falun Gong practitioners detained in this hospital.

These Falun Gong practitioners were not detained in the 4-story building under the in-patient department and administration at the front of the hospital, in order to keep the hospital staff from seeing them at all. We only occasionally saw Falun Gong practitioners being sent on a mobile intensive care bed to the first floor for physical examinations. These people were very weak. For the majority of the Falun Gong practitioners, nobody knew where they were being secretly kept. While they still did not know where these people were kept, some staff inquired to the hospital authorities about why so much food and so many sterile gloves and daily supplies were purchased. The hospital authorities said, "You only need to do your job well. There is no need for you to ask any other questions."

Starting in 2001, a family member of mine participated in organ-harvesting operations. My family member tried to keep me from knowing about this at the beginning. The hospital authorities selected doctors they trust in different aspects to perform the secretive operations. After a period of time, I found that my family member was in a lot pain, often had nightmares, and appeared panic-stricken. After repeated inquiries, this family member told me the truth. The leader of the hospital had asked my family member to participate in the organ harvesting operations on Falun Gong practitioners as early as 2001. It was 2003 when my family member confessed. A few years after, my family member felt so much pain from participating in this incident that it was impossible to continue with the evildoing. My family member decided to go abroad to get away from this matter.

My family member also told me: "you don't understand my suffering; those Falun Gong practitioners were alive. It might be easier for me if they were dead, but they were alive."

Question: Were there any other doctors from the hospital taking part in the operations of cutting out Falun Gong practitioners' organs?

Answer: I know there were some. All these things have been carried out secretly. Many doctors at our hospital involved were practicum doctors transferred from other hospitals. Because the government does not want to be responsible for Falun Gong practitioners' bodies and lives, their lives are treated as garbage by the regime, and their bodies were used in experiments by new doctors doing their practitcums.

Many doctors came and left the hospital because they suffered a lot after having been involved in these kinds of things. They either requested to be transferred to other places, or changed their names. Some might have been killed to eliminate the evidence, their identity files were taken out from the hospital's filing system, or their names were changed. Nobody knows where the doctors have gone.

The hospital staff all know that the rear part of the hospital is forbidden. It is always watched. The staff avoids talking about the place.

Question: It is said the hospital is equipped with an incinerator. The person whose organs were removed will be burned when he or she is still alive. Is that true?

Answer: The employees in our hospital call this place "the incinerator." Actually, it is a boiler room. Some poor farmers from nearby places were hired to work in the boiler room. They were penniless when they first came here. But they could scrape up some watches, finger rings, necklaces, and so on. The amount is not small. It is said by the employees in the hospital these jewelry and watches were collected from the Falun Gong practitioners whose organs had been removed when they were about to be thrown in the boiler to be burned. It is also said by the employees in the hospital, some were still alive when being thrown into the boiler.

Question: Do they get injection of anesthetic when in surgery?

Answer: Yes. There is a cap to the anesthetic quantity used in mainland China's hospitals. Generally, the supply of anesthetic was determined according to the accommodation of the hospital. To the public, the number of patients in our care appears to be very small, and publicly reported number of surgical procedures performed is quite low. But the equipment and articles used in surgery are abundant. Because the amount of anesthetic is limited, these secret surgeries could not use the normal anesthetic doses. In order to save anesthetic, they economized on the anesthetic used in surgeries on these Falun Gong practitioners. The amount of anesthetic used was very small. However, many whose organs were removed were still alive. You can imagine the pain suffered by the Falun Gong practitioners whose organs were removed.

Question: Are there any survivors among the 6,000 people detained since 2001?

Answer: Nobody has come out alive. The number of them gets smaller and smaller. The Falun Gong practitioners detained at Sujiatun are fewer now than before. But I believe that the sin of removing the organs of the Falun Gong practitioners is still continuing.

Question: Where are these organs usually sold to? Do the higher authorities in the government know about this?

Answer: They are mainly sold to Thailand, but I believe they are also sold to other regions of the world. Nowadays, there are many patients in China who need human skin, corneas, and kidneys for organ transplant surgeries. Many patients have to wait in line to purchase organs. Currently, a kidney can be sold up to the price of 30,000 to 100,000 U.S. dollars. The profit from selling organs is simply too great. The people who benefit from this are not only the top leaders of hospital and the officials of the Chinese Communist Party's Heath Department. This is a crime present across the entire nation. People ranging from government officials to doctors to organ sellers are all involved in this and are profiting greatly.

Question: Why did they target Falun Gong practitioners as the source of organs?

Answer: Because relatives of many Falun Gong practitioners don't even know that their family members were arrested. So if the Falun Gong practitioners are killed, there will be no one to come and claim their dead bodies.

Question: Why did you want to expose this? This may bring great danger to you.

Answer: I know that there are many Falun Gong practitioners who are currently detained at the hospital. I would like to expose this to the international community, so those who are not yet killed can be saved. Also, I would like to expose this as an atonement for my family.

I am not a Falun Gong practitioner. But as a former staff member of the hospital, I have the responsibility to expose the truth, and let the world to save those Falun Gong practitioners who are still alive. Organs of some Falun Gong practitioners are still living on patients' bodies. I would like to call on all society to pay attention to this issue and stop this shocking crime.

see what else you can do at www.fofg.org

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Ministry of agriculture

2006-03-16T22:30:03Z

As invited by Brett, I finally put up time to start this topic.

I have already put down some thoughts on the development of this sector, from this post for those interested in reading it. http://tribes.tribe.net/2020cityofdreams/thread/426bf804-f2ee-44bf-b0c3-f24e5421571c#e56ab36a-b012-49fb-83f0-f9256e10c173

It talks about having each member of a city spend a day or two per month working on a local farm so they see the life that goes into food and gain a greater respect for the process.

I will soon spend time to establish thoughts on a structure that could be viable for 2020, a city of dreams, but in the meantime, I would like to send people to read a great article called "The Politics and Economics of Food" that presents some great ideas that could fit in very well with the model being established here.
It is here: http://www.westonaprice.org/farming/poleconfoods.html

Please read it all, it is very inspiring and explains the ideas in some detail.

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To the People

2006-02-15T21:25:12Z

To: All people of the world
Congress of the United States
Senate of the United States
President of the United States

We the undersigned come together before you to request that each of these governing bodies take all necessary action to bring about a Federal Holiday for Native American Elected Leaders, To include Congressional hearings on the racial exclusion of Native Americans in movies, television, sports advertising, music companies, etc.

With the special government to government relationship between the Indian Government of America and the Federal Government it is fitting for the Federal Government to enact this holiday, and conduct Congressional hearings.

Indian governments and the people they represent are requesting that the federal government bring about a National Holiday for Native Americans to be celebrated by all citizens of America and people around the world.

This holiday would pay tribute to Indian Tribal Leaders to include Alaskan Leaders and Hawaiian Leaders. This holiday would also pay tribute to those that endured the world's longest holocaust and most costly in human lives.

It is further stated that no Indian Government nor its people find reason to celebrate and pay for Columbus Day. Seventeen states do not recognize Columbus Day. The state of South Dakota has changed Columbus day to Native American Day.

Therefore be it resolved that the Federal Government should reevaluate Columbus Day by moving it back to its original day the second Wednesday of October and not be a tax paid holiday as is St. Patrick's Day and Octoberfest, and make the second Monday of October a Federal holiday for Native Americans.

The polls we conducted across the country show that the vast majority of Americans prefer changing Columbus Day as to creating a whole new holiday.

It is inappropriate for Indian children and children of America to celebrate Columbus discovering a nation of people and not having a holiday paying tribute to the people of those nations.

Sincerely,

The Undersigned

Mine is # 32086

www.PetitionOnline.com/indian...on.html

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Please Check This Out

2006-02-15T19:31:01Z

http://www.inlibertyandfreedom.com/Flash/Think_It_Over.swf

Please Check this out...I am sure you'll like it!
Peace, Blessings & Light...

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harmonious time

2006-02-15T01:41:06Z

this link gives all a look at living a 13 month year with the moon. as far as l've seen it's all free and from my years of sharing this wisdom it's a small yet empowering change we may start with. some times it's the little things that help people become open to change.
happy valentines day;freewil

www.tortuga.com/eng/decode/findkin.php

ps you may also get your birth thing. mine is below.
Crystal Moon day 10
Year of the Red Overtone Moon

kin 166: White Planetary World-Bridger
I Perfect in order to Equalize
Producing Opportunity
I seal the Store of Death
With the Planetary tone of Manifestation
I am guided by the power of Timelessness

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Global Constitution

2006-02-14T01:18:18Z

This must be something that the whole world agrees on, therfore it must be something basic.

No killing
No stealing
No rape
No slavery
No kidnapping
No assault

anything I'm missing? anything needs clarification?
If you agree please post that you agree.

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Welcome

2006-02-13T17:53:34Z

Welcome everyone.

first, I love you all.

second, this is a tribe of humanity.
there are no set religeous, moral, economic or traditionalist values here.

We will, as compasionate beings, set new moral and ethical standards.

Most of these values may seem ancient to us and not new at all. why I emphasise that everything we discuss here is NEW, is that we enter this tribe with a blank slate. open minds, hearts and eyes are all we bring with us.

once here, we have access to a wealth of knowledge and wisdom that no people have ever had the privilage to embrace before.

we can look into ancient times to see the wonders and mistakes of ancient Mesopatamia. we can also look to the current wonders and mistakes of USA.

we have the ability to look at this information without the prejiduce of our social and environmental conditioning. We are the latest evolution of Human in the universe.

did you see the sun rise this morning?
wasn't it gorgeous? our celestial lover, bathing us in her life giving golden energy.
65 million years ago great beasts saw the sunrise, much like this one....
yet never before has ANYONE seen todays sunrise, for we exsist at the leading edge of consiousness, surfing the wave of now into the future of untold possibilities and surprises.

have faith that the cities and governments of today are not permanent, they will change. the ONLY consistancy is inconsistancy.

Thirdly, this is a tribe of GAIA, our mother Earth.
I place this below Humanity on the list. NOT because it is of lesser worth, but because Humans have the power on this planet. we are the ones destroying Gaia, we are the ones who can save GAIA. We are selfish. this is not bad, in its essence. all animals are selfish.
If a tiger jumps out at you you will get an adrenaline rush. This is because your evolved instincts and mechanisms are inate. Your body wishes to remain alive and gives you a drug boost to give you the ability to fight or run. This essential avoidance of pain and pursuit of pleasure is essential selfishness. a mother giving her life to save her children is selfish. it is the mother's will to save her children. she applied this will through her body to manifest an action that she BELIEVES will result in her desired outcome. THis selfishness serves the continuation of life on earth.

where Selfishness is a bad thing is in excess. when I care of nothing but myself and exploit the environment to serve my whims. this is unnatural selfishness. this is short term selfishness. this is not evil, it is sad. This is the selfishness that has given capitalism a bad name. this is selfishness of one who is lost and isolated. this is selfishness powered by fear. If we allow this kind of selfishness to blind us and isolate us, then we will serve the lusts and desires of our pleasure seeking flesh without regard for GAIA. when this happens we destroy our environment. when that happens we destroy our civilization, along with all of the pleasureable luxuries that civilization provides. this is exchanging the health and prosperity of your decendants for the sake of temporary masterbation.
The distruction of the environment is a slow process, so this means that a selfish, isolated person CAN pleasure himself in excess WITHOUT seeing the negative in his/her life. believeing that Gaia only exsists in your mind and that the people around you are not going to endure the results of your actions is simply childish.
I say childish because I went through that phase as a child. When I close my eyes the world goes away. it took years of growth and experience to cultivate the wisdom to realize that other people are real, and sentient. that they have feelings and thoughts of thier own.
Fortunately, most of the adults in the world have made it to that step.

The next step is seeing the oneness of all, the 'I' in us.

I only made that step about a year ago, and am still integrating it into my NOW.

once this step has been taken you no longer dismiss someone as just stupid and ignore them, rather you see yourself as them, making that mistake. you think "My god, how can I do that? what has mislead me so?" you become compassionate for every living thing. You seek to understand and help rather than judge or ignore.

This tribe is for people who have taken this step, and therefore understand that ALL of humanity has the capacity to do the same.

therefore, I say my focus is first on Humanity. once Humanity is united, we can work together to take responsibility in our stewardship of Earth.

If we do not succeed in living WITH, rather than pretending to be ABOVE nature, well...
we only have to look at Palestine, once a fertile forest with perfect soil, now... a desert.

Love light, hugs, smiles, giggles and a nudge to all

Welcome to the consious future

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