infowars.net/articles/de...riot_act.htm
Take a look at that.. it justifies gov't intrusion into any aspect of your life. Your computer etc.
All a police dept has to do is call you a domestic te**orist and you just last ALL of your legal rights as a citizen...
1984 Is closer than you think....
Remember George Orwell's concept of double speak... Remeinds me of a speach bush said ... "war is peace"
Take a look at that.. it justifies gov't intrusion into any aspect of your life. Your computer etc.
All a police dept has to do is call you a domestic te**orist and you just last ALL of your legal rights as a citizen...
1984 Is closer than you think....
Remember George Orwell's concept of double speak... Remeinds me of a speach bush said ... "war is peace"
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Re: Patriot Act and 2257
Fri, December 9, 2005 - 1:50 PMThanks for mentioning Orwell's 1984. The main thrux of the book? Big Brother (the government) controls everything. main part of the storyline? A couple fall in love, and after making love, they get arrested and re-programmed, cuz sex is against the law.
i know this is an extreme comparison, but yikes. Just offering food for thought.
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Re: Patriot Act and 2257
Fri, December 9, 2005 - 4:07 PMIts not just the net...read:
www.latimes.com/business/l...92748.story
Cable TV Pressured to Clean Up Offerings
By Sallie Hofmeister
Times Staff Writer
December 9, 2005
The Federal Communications Commission has warned the nation's two leading cable TV companies that unwanted conditions could be imposed on their proposed acquisition of a rival if they do not agree to curb the proliferation of sexually explicit programming, according to company sources.
Faced with what some are describing as an ultimatum, Time Warner Inc. and Comcast Corp. have sought to satisfy FCC Chairman Kevin J. Martin's demands by pressuring the rest of the industry to come to a consensus on how to respond, said these sources, who requested anonymity because of the sensitivity of the regulatory approval process.
Martin has made clear in closed-door meetings that he would like Time Warner and Comcast to help advance his anti-indecency agenda. The companies are seeking to acquire Adelphia Communications Corp. for $17.6 billion.
Through a spokesman, Martin declined to comment. So did representatives of Time Warner and Comcast.
Cable operators are not eager to pick a fight with the FCC. Although the agency lacks the authority to make new rules, it does have the power to rein in the industry on several fronts. For example, it will determine the speed at which phone carriers can enter the pay-TV business.
Phone companies, seeing this as an opportunity to build political capital in Washington, have seized on the indecency issue by agreeing to allow customers to subscribe only to channels they want.
"There are a lot of places Martin can squeeze cable operators and indecency is a pet peeve of his that's not going away," said one cable executive. "We have to live and work with him until his term ends in 2009."
Although reluctant to anger Martin, many cable programmers quietly complain that he is trying to extract concessions from an entire industry using leverage from a single transaction — the Adelphia deal — that stands to benefit only two companies.
So why would they go along? The cable industry fears that if it doesn't agree to a voluntary solution, policymakers could soon force an alternative on them that would be far more restrictive.
Martin publicly called last week for all cable operators to offer channels a la carte instead of in bundled packages, reversing the agency's position under Martin's predecessor, Michael K. Powell. A la carte pricing would allow subscribers to have only the channels they wanted.
Meanwhile, Senate Commerce Committee Chairman Ted Stevens (R-Alaska), who is contemplating legislation on the issue, held hearings last week to debate solutions for protecting children from objectionable TV content.
One option discussed is a la carte pricing, which the industry says would wreak havoc with its current delivery systems, driving up rates. Eager to avoid such a radical overhaul, Comcast and Time Warner have been lobbying their programming suppliers in recent weeks to adopt the indecency standard that now applies to broadcasters.
Several suppliers, however, object to the broadcast standard, which restricts such programming between 6 a.m. and 10 p.m. They argue that imposing the same rules on cable and satellite that apply to networks that use the public airwaves is logistically impossible and would be particularly disruptive to any channels that air uncut theatrical movies or racy shows.
Comcast and Time Warner are now actively promoting the creation of a family-friendly tier of channels, despite resistance from some of their suppliers and the limitations posed by existing contracts.
"If there's a need for a family tier and it could be accommodated with programming contracts, we can meet those concerns," John Alchin, Comcast's co-chief financial officer, told investors Thursday at a conference in New York.
Even voluntary measures, however, could face court challenges. A voluntary "family viewing hour" that the FCC tried to impose on broadcasters in the 1970s was found by courts to amount to coercion and to violate the 1st Amendment.
Congress also would face a legal challenge if it forced an indecency standard or a family tier on the industry. The Supreme Court in 2000 upheld the cable industry's right to air sexually explicit content, noting that technology allowed subscribers to block unwanted shows.
Even so, Time Warner is now reviewing its contracts to determine what channels it could offer in a family tier without running afoul of its contracts with programmers, according to company sources. The nation's second-largest cable operator, which would become the largest provider in Southern California if the Adelphia acquisition is approved, has determined that 30 to 40 channels could be part of a family package.
On the list are obscure digital channels such as Boomerang and Toon Disney. Some of the most popular children's channels, such as Nickelodeon, may not be included because of contracts that prevent such tiered delivery and adult-themed shows in the evening.
And cable executives say families wanting the tier would have to use a digital cable box. That could add $7 or $8 to monthly cable bills.
That still could be cheaper than an a la carte pricing plan, which several government and industry studies over the last few years have concluded would be more expensive for cable customers than the current bundled approach.
For example, HBO, which already is sold separately, charges about $15 a month or more for a subscription. Other channels with high programming expenses such as ESPN probably would cost a comparable price. Ten channels could quickly run up a monthly bill of $40, cable industry executives say — about the same that subscribers now pay for, say, 100 channels.
Also, channels with narrow audiences could disappear because too few people would order them, the industry warns.
Consumer advocates, however, say that might not be such a tragedy.
"Maybe you won't have 100 channels, maybe you'll only have 20," said L. Brent Bozell, the president of the Parents Television Council, which floods the FCC with indecency complaints every year. "But good programming is going to survive, and you will get rid of some waste."
At the indecency hearings last week, Martin denounced as flawed an FCC study last year that concluded that a la carte pricing was economically unfeasible. He said the results of a new FCC study on a la carte pricing would be released in the coming weeks, showing that cable subscribers would benefit.
But many industry executives believe that Martin is using the threat of a la carte pricing to try to scare the industry into accepting the broadcast standard or a family tier.
"Martin and Stevens have been very effective in communicating to the cable industry that their lives would be better if they agreed to a family tier," said Blair Levin, an analyst at Stifel Nicolaus in Washington.
Washington insiders say the indecency debate has highlighted the political savvy and hardball tactics that are characteristic of the baby-faced 38-year-old FCC chairman. As a commissioner, for example, Martin, a Republican, shot down Powell's attempts to deregulate the regional phone companies by allying with two Democrats on the panel. A conservative from North Carolina, Martin was a chief lieutenant in President Bush's 2000 presidential campaign. Bush appointed him to the FCC in 2001, and named him chairman in March. His wife, Catherine, is the chief public affairs strategist for Vice President Dick Cheney.
The last time the FCC attempted to hold an entire industry's feet to the fire using a single transaction was in 1995, when then-FCC Chairman Reed Hundt used Westinghouse Corp.'s acquisition of CBS to force all the broadcasters to agree to air three hours of children's programming per week on their TV stations.
This time around, the cable and satellite industries are divided on how to satisfy Martin's demands. For instance, Walt Disney Co., which owns ABC, ESPN and the Disney Channel, has for about a year urged the industry to go along with the broadcast indecency standard arguing that it is the least disruptive option.
Under that standard, indecency is defined as material that depicts "sexual or excretory organs or activities" or that is "patently offensive as measured by contemporary community standards." Because their programs are not sent into homes over the public airways, cable and satellite providers are not currently held to this standard.
More to come...
polybi
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Re: Patriot Act and 2257
Fri, December 9, 2005 - 3:45 PMHow far of a stretch is it..... if you aren't Christian, you are considered a terrorist?
With a Xtian fundie in the White House and Supreme Court, the puritan act can't be too far behind.
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Re: Patriot Act and 2257
Fri, December 9, 2005 - 4:11 PMThat is the whole point of EVERTTHING. 2257. 9/11. Everything. We have a cabal of crazed Armageddonists in power who have one goal: Deliver the planet to thier idea of what Christ wants, whether you like it or not. In the middle east, start a jihad. In the US, destroy the contstitution, which thye feel is nothing more than a hinderance.
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Re: Patriot Act and 2257
Fri, December 9, 2005 - 5:42 PMPolybi said: >> That is the whole point of EVERTTHING. 2257. 9/11. Everything. We have a cabal of crazed Armageddonists in power who have one goal: Deliver the planet to thier idea of what Christ wants, whether you like it or not. In the middle east, start a jihad. In the US, destroy the contstitution, which thye feel is nothing more than a hinderance. <<
Actually, the whole point behind it all is to seize control of the remaining oil on the planet (we've already hit Peak Oil; it's all downhill from here, and it's going to be a fast slide, with a very hard hit at the bottom). Mankind isn't going to survive this one intact, folks, and it's explicitly out there that they are going to have to kill off a huge percentage of the earth's population in order for our species to survive at all. Look up things like the Project For a New American Century for more specifics www.newamericancentury.org/stat...s.htm - and take a look at who is involved in this travesty. This site speaks explicitly about needing to create major crises that will decrease the population and hand over complete control to the US government.
Our government is out to control the world, and for them to be able to do all of this, they've first got to be able to control us at home. Many of the Patriot Act's provisions are virtually identical to the German "Enabling Act" of 1933 (see www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/colmes2.html ), which is the act that enabled the Nazi take-over of Germany.
So guess what? It not only *can* happen here, we're right in the middle of it happening. This 2257 business is just the tip of the iceberg.
And of course, the first steps in controlling the populace are to disarm them (so we have all the gun control laws being passed), and to silence them - so we come to the muzzling of our First Amendment rights. Legislation against pornography such as 2257 is just the tip of the iceberg.
We have had many other abuses of our right to free speech, including even well-behaved protestors at the Republican National Convention being cordoned off a *mile* away from where George Bush was to be speaking, literally behind barbed wire, where they wouldn't be seen or heard. I'm just starting to learn about the extent of all of this, but it is pervasive. I am in communication with a well-respected journalist and blogger (Jack Dalton, whose blog can be found at jack-dalton.blogspot.com/2005/...e.html ), who is working hard to try to expose much of this who routinely has his Internet access cut off, for example - and it's verifiably *not* due to spam or his ISP being down. What he's told me has convinced me he's right, that it's definitely people higher up the food chain being unhappy with what he's saying, trying to muzzle him. These are just two examples, but it is going on all over the place.
We've also got private citizens being arrested literally on the bus on the way to work - for the offense of refusing to show ID upon demand by police and armed guards who boarded expressly for the purpose of making people show their IDs. The Constitution guarantees freedom from such harassment - which we are familiar with as a tactic used in places like Nazi Germany and the former Soviet Union, but it didn't stop Deborah Davis from being arrested. See www.papersplease.org/davis/index1.html Thank God the government has decided not to prosecute in this case, but if this isn't an example of the writing being on the wall for us all, I don't know what is.
Oh, yes, and in case you weren't aware, we're going to be getting national identity cards in 2008. These cards are going to have computer chips embedded that will have extensive information on us, and they're going to be *required* for many things - like getting a driver's license - and be capable of tracking our movements and behaviors. "Papers please", anyone? See www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/colmes1.html for how this played out in Nazi Germany, and www.unrealid.com/index.html , and the CNet FAQ at news.com.com/FAQ+How+Rea...5697111.html for more information on how this will affect us all.
The events of 9/11 just played right into this whole grand plan, giving Bush the pretext he needed to launch the Patriot Act (which was essentially already in the works anyways), with our countrymen just rolling over like sheep, handing over the keys to the henhouse to the fox, all in the name of hoping for a kind of security that can never actually exist, and certainly not without unacceptable loss of far too many of our civil rights. In fact, it can be proven that not only did the US know the attacks were coming, despite official denials, but Cheney himself was probably directly involved in actively facilitating them. (See my recent listing on this subject.)
I've never been one to view the world through the lens of suspected conspiracies, especially of the governmental sort, and have in fact always pooh-poohed them, but the more I learn about everything that is going on in this country and the world, the more convinced I become that this is, in fact, the granddaddy of all conspiracies.
If you haven't read _Crossing the Rubicon_ by Michael Ruppert, I recommend you get a copy and get reading right now. It is without a doubt one of the most important books of our generation, and it ties all of this together (and much, much more). If it doesn't leave you stunned and disillusioned and ready to fight, you probably aren't breathing, or are lacking more than two brain cells. You can order a copy (and start reading on the topics it raises) on the From the Wilderness site at www.fromthewilderness.com
Ruppert is a seasoned, decorated homicide detective who was bounced unceremoniously from his job with the LAPD without ever having had any disciplinary action against him when he started discovering the US government ties to the drug industry in South America, and _Crossing the Rubicon_ brings all of his professional detective skills to the investigation of 9/11 and the rest, so it is incredibly well-researched and fully documented.
(If you want more background behind this about how all of this fits in with US governmental policy since this country began, also check out Howard Zinn's _A People's History of the United States_.)
I've known for years that something like this *could* happen, but never in my wildest dreams did I imagine it could possibly happen as fast as it is, or, frankly, to the extent that's actually occurring. I'm as guilty as the next guy of paying no attention for years, but I'm awake and listening now, and this post is the distillation of some of the most important things I've learned in recent months.
Come join me, and help take back our country. What else really matters if we lose our civil rights and freedoms?
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Re: Patriot Act and 2257
Fri, December 9, 2005 - 9:59 PMSorry Wendy, It's not about oil. Oil people make deals. Oil IS the spoils, but it's not THE reason. Think about it...these guys could have done the oil grab at any time. No, you don't kill 3000 people at home, and about 10,000 abroad *simply* for profit.
I know it's what we WANT to think, because the possibility that this was done to appease "God" is too fantastic to wrap the brain around.
Here is an excerpt from a recent blog. In it, the author asks, "what is a Christo-Facist" The answer comes close to what we are dealing with..
"Just How Does One Define a Christo-Fascist?
What qualities would one find in a Christo-Fascist? Greed, hubris, and self righteousness would probably top the list. Upon further inspection, one would find a streak of xenophobia, a significant amount of intolerance for those who do not fit the "traditional roles" of men and women and those who have not accepted Christ as their savior, and a passionate disdain for critical thinking.
Lest I forget, Christo-Fascists are generally thin-skinned and highly hypocritical. A powerful persecution complex and an insatiable appetite for the revenge that they believe Warrior Jesus will one day perpetrate on their behalf arm them with conscience-blunting self-justifications for their mean-spirited actions. Hatred and bigotry gnaw at their malnourished souls like crows picking at the remains of a fallen soldier in the war for religious supremacy.
Christo-Fascists wield their knowledge of scripture (and the commonly held Western belief that the Bible is sacrosanct) while performing unbelievable mental gymnastics to ensure they prevail in polemical discourse and successfully proselytize the weak and vulnerable. Narcissism and self-hatred lie at the core of the personalities of the Fundamentalist Faithful. For a specific example of how the qualities of a Christo-Fascist manifest themselves, consider the Fundamentalist Christians' support of the illegal imperial Iraqi occupation involving the murders of tens of thousands of indigenous people, the deaths of over 2,100 American military personnel, the destruction of much of the nation's infrastructure, and the waste of hundreds of billions of federal tax dollars while US citizens suffer at home due to inadequately funded domestic programs. Iron Fist Jesus would approve!
In short, Fundamentalist Christians are the people whom the real Jesus would have hammered with his Iron Fist, if he had had one, and if he had been inclined to use it. Fortunately for them, Warrior Jesus is simply a myth the Christo-Fascist masters use to keep their minions in line. Unfortunately for the rest of us, America's religious extremists are as dangerous as those in the Middle East and around the globe.
Just in case there is an Iron Fisted Jesus and an impending Rapture, I am signing off by wishing you a Merry Christmas!"
The full article can be found here: onlinejournal.com/artman/pu..._312.shtml
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Its Not About Jesus
Sat, December 10, 2005 - 11:10 AMI really don't think it has to do with religion. I think religion is just "the opiate of the masses," to quote Karl Marx.
I think it's used as a front and a way to manipulate some large groups within a society pretty effectively.
But *shockingly* the whole thing usually turns out to be all about a (hopefully non-violent) power grab for: the money, the resources, and the power.
Although it sure is fun looking at naked women (on paid work time) and say that they are the reason for all this, ain't it?
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Its Not About Jesus
Sat, December 10, 2005 - 11:22 AMI agree with the poster above who says that it is about resources.
I would add that if you think Oil had been thrilling to watch...wait until WATER! Oil you can live without!
Everyone should be watching The WTO shit in the middle east and now the upcoming meetings in China (which, by the way, just killed several protesters the other day over a land grab)...www.nytimes.com/2005/12/10...0china.html
Would you have heard about this at all if it weren't for the Internet?
Did you know that Chomsky said that the Iraq war was the first in our country that actually had protests going BEFORE the war started? Do you think that would have happened without free speech on the Internet?
I came from a VERY conservative christian area and even after being raised around that (another Queer who got out alive) I really don't think it has to do with religion.
The people I met within the conservative Christian movement leadership who espouse the things you talk about, polybi, always turned out to always be doing it as a cover for some other reason. There are plenty of "followers" who do it because that is what they have really been brainwashed to believe...but the leadership? They know what is up.
I think religion is just "the opiate of the masses," to quote Karl Marx.
I think it's used as a front and a way to manipulate some large groups within a society pretty effectively.
But *shockingly* the whole thing usually turns out to be all about a (hopefully non-violent) power grab for: the money, the resources, and the power.
Although, as a side note, it sure is fun looking at naked women (on paid work time for the government) and say that they are the reason for all this, ain't it?
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Re: Its Not About Jesus
Sat, December 10, 2005 - 11:23 AMSorry for the double post...
Tribe is too busy yanking down photos of beautiful vaginas to be making an "edit" button.
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Re: Its Not About Jesus, For Christsakes! :)
Sat, December 10, 2005 - 11:36 AMA little off topic but more about the upcoming WTO stuff in China. How many unarmed protesters will get "tanked" this time? How does the coverage of this sort of thing get out of the country and into the world's view in a timely manner. The internet, maybe?
So why do you think our government is starting to censor titties and text?
"...first came for the women's titties and I didn't speak up because I didn't have women's titties.... Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak up!!"
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WTO protesters held at Hong Kong airport
HONG KONG, Dec. 9 (UPI) -- Three Filipina anti-WTO activists accused Hong Kong immigration officials of overreacting after they were questioned and detained six hours at the airport.
All three women were leaders of organizations planning protests at the World Trade Organization ministerial conference next week, the South China Morning Post reported. They arrived in Hong Kong with 13 others from the Philippines, all of whom were allowed entry.
Carol Pagaduan-Araullo, chairwoman of the leftist political group Bayan, or New Patriotic Alliance, said she suspected she and the other two who were questioned were on an immigration blacklist.
She said the three told officials they would be attending conferences and activities related to the WTO action protest.
"Then they asked questions about who was organizing the protest, what we were bringing, were we going to shout slogans, who else from the international community was coming, etc.," she said.
The incident indicates that protesters headed to the WTO meeting may be subject to strict official scrutiny. Some 25 activists from Pakistan, Nepal, India and Sri Lanka told the Hong Kong People's Alliance on WTO they still had not received their visas one month after filing their applications.
Copyright 2005 by United Press International. All Rights Reserved.
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Re: Its Not About Jesus, For Christsakes! :)
Sun, December 11, 2005 - 4:21 PMI have more to say about this in my blog.
I just wish I can be like the rest of you. I wish I did'nt know what I know.
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It is about jesus
Mon, December 12, 2005 - 9:21 AMbush mentioned that athiests should not be allowed to be citizens...
capitalism is the new christianity...
Okay time to do my xmas shopping.. 80% of retail sales occur from t-giving to xmas?? nice...
and 30% of the total economy is from retail sales...
how many more ipods and stupid cell phones that have keyboards do we need.
I'll just be happy when they put the chip in my head that helps me think and pipes in commercials when I sleep.
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Re: It is about jesus
Mon, December 12, 2005 - 10:21 AMNOpe, it's not capitalism........oh I give up!
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Re: It is about jesus
Mon, December 12, 2005 - 10:39 AMYes.. I agree.. with YOU polybi.. it's religion...
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Re: It is about jesus
Mon, December 12, 2005 - 11:15 AMAmericans worship money, and money is the true religion of our goverment and country, religion is just a tool to keep the population in line, always has been. Bottom line is, there isent much we can do about this, you can scream about it until you are blue in the face, no one cares, (I care), but the larger population of this country surely doesent care. As long as people stay separated and dont stand together nothing will change, and good luck trying to get that to happen. Not as long as they keep us separated, the goverment keeps us serarted in so many ways, they use the media and other avenues to keep us so busy fighting with each other that we dont pay attention to the greater evil, Which is our own goverment sadly.Keeping us separated through religion, sexual preference, social status,(how rich you are or arent), anything and everything they use to control us. But I would say the true enemy is organized religion and the relisious right. On this post someone mentioned the fact that the fcc is trying to now go after cable T.V. do you realize that this year out of the almost 280 million people that live in this country there were about 24 thousand complaints to the fcc about indicent material on both T.V. and radio, and out of those 24 thousand complaits about 23,200 complaints came from one organization, can you guess which one, it was the parent/teachers family council, which is a Christian organization. The fcc and the goverment know all about this and have admitted it, but yet they still are going after all the airwaves claiming that the complaints they recived are the reason, odd, so the goverment had this group make all these complaints so they, (the goverment), could push there agenda. On a side note I love this time of year, how all these so called "Christians" are celebrating the birth of there lord when historical fact more than proves that Christmas, was not the actual time that Jesus was born, Christmas was actually a pagan holiday that celebrated the winter solstice or something and it was being celebrated hundreds of years before the whole Jesus thing even happend, IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH JESUS, this makes me so mad how these so called "Christians" push there religion on everyone, are trying to take over our country, but they dont even know the historical facts of there own religion, so they just make stuff up and hijack other peoples holidays, sorry, had to rant.
Anyhow I gotta get back to work, and remember,
"Its better to die on your feet, than live on your knee's"
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Re: It is about jesus
Mon, December 12, 2005 - 11:18 AMGreat quote.. 'dying on your feet'
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