VIPs : Why Are We Such Suckers? Discuss.

topic posted Mon, May 24, 2004 - 12:47 AM by  Lauren
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I need to find and connect w/ other VIPs because the rest of the world sucks. You rock, VIPs.
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  • FJ
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    Re: VIPs : Why Are We Such Suckers? Discuss.

    Sat, July 23, 2005 - 11:08 AM
    Heh heh heh! I can't help but laugh. I am a VIP, and like most VIP's I know, I have a disgust for the degenerate human race which borders on Hitleresque EVIL! So where is our "exalted" nature, then, as the most Angelic and highly developed lovers of the zoodiac, hmmm? People say we are passive, and somehow I would be afarid to see what some of these people would do with an axe if spited.
    COuld it be that we have been all through the zodiac on our search for the perfect love, and now we are at the end of the journey (Pisces), and all the other souls who are behind us and just dont;t understand love the way we do are CONDEMNED by us?
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      Sat, July 23, 2005 - 11:20 AM
      We are SUCKERS, because we expect others to be as highly developed as we are. We have a responsability as teachers, and our understanding of love and spirituality dwarfs that of most "younger" souls. We don't understand always that someone with say, Venus in Taurus, also thinks that his or her love-nature is spiritual, when they are actually ruled by their senses and their need for security. Their self-awareness is childlike compared to ours. This is the highest level they can understand. They fool us, because like children they don't always know the difference between grown-up things, and play-things. They learn sophisticated comments from us, without REALLY knowing the meaning...and sometimes they fools us into thinking that they are older than they are. They can't understand our language, so we have to understand theirs first. We are the superior beings, but our Pisces nature demands that this never go to our heads. Life is lonely at the top of the Zodiac.
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        Fri, August 12, 2005 - 7:28 PM
        I have Venus in Pisces, but I hardly consider myself a superior being. Maybe we should round up the inferior Signs and put them somewhere. Some kind of camp. I don't know what to call it ...
        • FJ
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          Sun, August 14, 2005 - 6:51 AM
          P.S. We are also suckers because we don't take such pride in oursleves, we are humble, sweet people. Humble is a good quality, but like a bicycle it won't get you to Mars. Therefore, some daring and boldness, assertiveness and perhaps some arrogance is neccessary. We, as VIP's don't see why we need to have such coarse behavior...but getting along with less developed people sometimes requires that we assert ourselves, or even be what we would consider "mean"...because some people just don't understand without being kicked in the ass first. They will just keep taking advantage because like little kids, they dont know any better. THAT is why we are superior, and we should be proud of it. We are the adults. We need to KNOW that and assert it. It doesn't mean we have to abuse the little "children" of the zodiac!
          Ed, you ARE a superior being! Accept it, but don't rub it in other people's faces, that's all. Sometimes it is said that Pisces thinks their "shit don't stink". Pisces types get like that when they begin to get tired of being passive. They begin to shit on others without realizing, while still whining about everyone else. The 12th house is the natural house of Pisces, and is also called the House of Self-Undoing. That means Pisces must be particularly careful when asserting the self. A little too much ego, and the cosmos knocks them them/us right back down again.
          Anyway, I can appreciate your sense of sarcasm...but I have found that Pisces types who are just too docile to assert themselves on a regular basis, sometimes go over the top and begin hating humankind for it's ignorance of the fragile, Jesus-like state-of-grace which exists in all of us. I have run into maybe a dozen Pisces or VIP people like this, including myself, who start to condemn people who can't live peacefully. And sure, at that point I say take 'em an exile 'em all to some kind camp or island...so at least the rest of us who want to live peacefully...CAN!
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            Fri, September 9, 2005 - 10:13 PM
            I have Venus on the Aries cusp. I'm so sweetly an asshole....Sweet like a sucker.....then I steal your fucking sucker and say "it's mine!"...
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              Sat, September 10, 2005 - 6:24 AM
              Well, I've known some Capricorns with that mentality. I also knew a guy with VIP @ 28 degrees, he wasn't really like that. My father has VIA and he's not really like that either.
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                Sat, September 10, 2005 - 6:31 AM
                No Venus sign (or ANY sign period) is really the final word on the subject. Venus in Pisces is not a Nirvana-like position. But it means hat these people understand both the complexity AND the simplicity of love and affairs of the heart...and most importantly, the spiritual roots of deep love.

                However, like all positions...even VIP will have possible drawbacks...especially because Pisces likes to fantasize and gets lost in it sometimes. Therefore, looking ahead to the next sign Aries is a GREAT compass for us VIP's...BUT...if we actually move ahead to Aries behavior, then we are losing the deep spirituality of Aries.

                (Just like a Taurus who just "looks" at Gemini as food for thought, can overcome the tendency for Taurus to be rigid and stoic.)

                Any sign can and SHOULD look back AND forward...because the signs next door to it really hold important keys to mastering its own nature.
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                  Wed, July 26, 2006 - 4:11 PM
                  That's really interesting what you say there about looking forward to the next sign, that kind of comment looks as if it could ring true for most starsigns, but then again there is something to be gained from all of the starsigns, my venus is in leo aswell as being the next starsign after cancer so I have always looked forward to the qualities of a leo and admired them, slowly posessing those qualities as my own over time without even realising it. I then read that a woman needs to embrace her venus sign to become her true self and feel at ease with who she is. I don't know how others feel about that but I have found it an amazingly accurate statement.
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                    Wed, September 19, 2007 - 2:34 PM
                    I am VIP to the hilt. Thank God for my Mercury in Capricorn, my Sag moon and of course all my Aqaurian intellectualism. Leo rising gets me into trouble. I always feel sorry for people-although as I age I am finding that this is working more into wanting to empower people instead of fixing all their problems. Sometimes I feel everything-way too much. I have A Taurus Midheaven that helps out with practicality. I recently got involved with a Pisces man who to me is very troubled. My first instinct was to help him-but after careful thought he needs to help himself. I think I am finally learning how to nurture myself-feels weird but I am doing it and each day brings new growth. I am a premature baby that was due on March 4th-I think it would have been too much Pisces for me to handle. They can be annoyng people honestly.
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            Sat, March 17, 2007 - 2:36 AM
            I agree with you %100 regarding the cosmos smacking us down when a little too much ego is displayed. The intensity of our emotion is magnanimus indeed. That is why people often recoil at the slightest resistance from us. Although they may not feel the same intensity we do, they can definitely feel ours when it is directed to them and they simply cannot process it. I am trying to learn to temper my reactions to a manner more palatable to others. How many of us have had lovers flee from us because it seemed we were coming on too strong, when in fact it felt like a normal, healthy display of our love and affection?

            A twist on your "shit don't stink" thought. I prefer to view it as VIPs love the smell of their shit, if I may be so coarse. Who here doesn's have a fascination with the dark side and sometimes finding things or actions generally reagrded as repulsive or ugly as a thing of beauty? maybe its just me. ha ha ha

            oh, and heres the vip in me: I know you wrote this a while back and I hope life has been kinder to you. It seems like you were a bit beat down. but there is always a shred of truth to be found in a cliche. "it's lonely at the top"
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              Sat, March 17, 2007 - 9:51 AM
              Once again...truth rings!

              It's hard for me to think of a lover who hasn't misinterpreted my passion and enthusiasm. I love wholeheartedly. I know no other way. Love without fear. It's sad to have to hold back just to protect those around us because they cannot equally feel and process their emotions. I have the double shot of Scorpio moon trine Venus in Pisces. Yes, I can be a bit emotionally intense, but really, I'd have it no other way. I love the ups and the downs of my emotional spectrum. How boring would it be to just exist passively somewhere in the middle? Life is full of extremes. Why pretend otherwise?
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              Mon, March 19, 2007 - 8:44 PM
              There is a story about a pisces and a scorpio venus...they are both stuck in hell with shit up to their necks...the scorpio looks at the VIP who is smiling and looking around all happy--diving into the crap over and over again, Then the scorpio says," what are you smiling about?"

              ...the vip says with all this shit in here, there's got to be a pony in here somewhere.

              Perhaps that is the true gift of the VIP...even in the midst of a bunch of crap...we still look for the pony.
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        Thu, July 27, 2006 - 5:55 PM
        I think it's a good idea to respect that each venus placement has a different idea or love and how they value and appreciate it. Are you saying everyone with venus in pisces is highly developed and you would know this how???

        If anything you don't seem to relate much to what I would consider someone with Pisces elements, making yourself seem superior to other signs? where is the compassion. acceptance of other ideas and values, I don't see this here.

        "They can't understand our language, so we have to understand theirs first. We are the superior beings, but our Pisces nature demands that this never go to our heads."

        Sorry but you have done exactly that, let it get to your head.
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          Sun, July 30, 2006 - 7:36 PM
          I don't think there is such thing as supieror but also understand that when someone has been throuh x,y,z or say a-z, I think it is perfectly fine to accept and feel some sense of accomplishment for getting though that far. Pisces is the sign of karma and any planet you have in pisces has a lot of karma with it. It also means that you have been working with that energy for a looooooong time. Is it to say that an elder is superior? Maybe not but defenetly deserving of some respect.
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    Wed, August 27, 2008 - 4:06 PM
    I feel thankful that even amongst all my other lousy traits, faults, bad habits, quirks, etc. I know that I can love someone wholly and completely, not based on what they look like, not based on who they know, how much money they have, just love them plain and simple. (Although I've heard it said of people with Aquarian moons that they could fall in love with someone with two heads and blue skin, so pile that lack of discrimination on top of my Piscean compassion). The part that sucks is when I've been smacked down like a hamburger onto a grill and feel completely broken when things don't work out "happily ever after".

    I mentioned this in another post....my current boyfriend is also VIP, and I see so many similarities in our remarkable failures in love and inability to get over it long after things are said and done. I'm just not good at falling out of love!
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      Wed, August 27, 2008 - 6:15 PM
      <snip>I'm just not good at falling out of love! </snip>
      I hear you on that one. I'm VIP with Cancer moon so I hold on to love forever for the fact that I had love in the first place.

      That old adage its "better to have love and lost then to never have loved at all " is my motto.

      unfortunately I find my self saying that alot...

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