Speak out against aerial spraying

topic posted Sun, February 24, 2008 - 11:22 PM by  cassidy
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Another post from the San Francisco Permaculture Guild:

Posted by: "Kachina Katrina" kachinakatrina@uas.coop kachinakatrina
Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:28 am (PST)

<sanfrancisco.tribe.net/listin...806251>
Speak
out against aerial spraying - CDFA coming to town this
week!<sanfrancisco.tribe.net/listin...806251>
Last
week the California Department of Food and Agriculture (CDFA) made an
official announcement that they intend to continue aerial spraying of
pesticides over Monterey and Santa Cruz counties in June, and begin spraying
over the Bay Area in August. Once implemented the spraying will occur every
30-90 days, for 9 months of every year, for at least 3-5 years to come.

The proposed areas to be sprayed by air total 444,060 acres, 693.8 miles
(see map www.hopefortruth.com/lbam_2008.jpg). And that doesn't
include the vast acreage of ground treatments that allow them to enter
private properties to attach chemical twist ties and traps in your organic
gardens, and paint insecticide on trees and utility poles, all in easy reach
of climbing children, pets, and other beneficial creatures. Hundreds of
people have already been made ill by the spraying last Fall in Monterey and
Santa Cruz (list of symptoms
www.indybay.org/newsitems/...70272.php).

The CDFA is battling the little light brown apple moth (LBAM), not because
it has the potential of eating us out of house and home, nor are they
concerned about us not having enough to eat. Their eradication program has
nothing whatsoever to do with public health and safety, but everything to do
with trade. They worry about losing profits because of potential embargoes
on California produce. They are not concerned about organic farmers,
however, and organic standards are in the process of being diluted further.

The CDFA will be holding "scoping" meetings to hear public comments
regarding their Environmental Impact Review (EIR) process. Please be aware
that the spraying is not dependent on completion of such a review, because
they have declared a "State of Emergency", which gives them the right to
overrule other regulations, such as local pesticide ordinances, private
property laws, and health, safety, and environmental protection.

You can demonstrate your concerns at the following meetings, which the CDFA
is expected to attend. More meetings, organized by the CDFA, various city
and county officials, and grassroots activists, in various communities are
being added all the time. Please keep updated by checking out the calendar
at www.lbamspray.com/calendar.htm

If you haven't done so already, please scroll down to the links on the
bottom of this mail to sign the petition opposed to aerial spraying, and
vote in the polls.

CDFA "scoping" meetings:

Monterey
Wednesday, February 20, 2008, 6:00 ? 8:00 p.m.
Monterey Peninsula College
Lecture Forum 103
980 Fremont Street
Monterey, CA 93940

Santa Cruz
Thursday, February 21, 2008, 6:00 ? 8:00 p.m.
University Inn & Conference Center
Sierra & Dawn Room
611 Ocean Street
Santa Cruz, CA 95060

San Francisco
Monday, February 25, 2008, 6:00 ? 8:00 p.m.
San Francisco County Fair Building Auditorium
Golden Gate Park
9th Avenue & Lincoln Way
San Francisco, CA 94122

Oakland
Tuesday, February 26, 2008, 6:30 ? 8:30 p.m.
Ellis M Harris State Building Auditorium
1515 Clay St.
Oakland, CA 94612

Oral and written comments will be accepted. The deadline for written
comments is March 20, 2008. They may be sent to:
Jim Rains, Staff Environmental Scientist
CA Department of Food and Agriculture
Plant Health and Pest Prevention Services
1220 N Street, Room A-316
Sacramento, CA 95814

LBAM on the agenda at City Council meetings:

Oakland
Tuesday, February 26, 2008, 7pm
Oakland City Hall, 1 Frank Ogawa Plaza (14th St. Between Clay and Broadway)
Hearing Room 1
Oakland City Council Public Safety Committee considers a resolution against
aerial spraying proposed by Councilmembers Brunner and Reid
(draft resolution: clerkwebsvr1.oaklandnet.com/atta....pdf)

Berkeley
Tuesday, February 26, 2008, 7pm
2134 Martin Luther King Jr. Way, Berkeley
CDFA presentation scheduled at Berkeley City Council meeting

To prepare for talking with the CDFA, and to hear from grassroots opposition
to the pesticide program:

San Leandro
East Bay Pesticide Alert/Don't Spray California presents:
Who's afraid of the Light Brown Apple Moth?
Sunday, February 24, 2008, 1:30-3:30pm
Zocalo Coffeehouse
645 Bancroft Ave @ Dutton, San Leandro
*(scent-free please)
www.eastbaypesticidealert.org/

Have you signed the petition against the spraying?

www.stopthespray.org/

Voted in the poll in the Marin Independent Journal?

www.marinij.com/marin/ci_8257611

And the one on About.com <about.com/>

sanfrancisco.about.com/b/2008...rea.htm

Thanks! and sorry for any cross postings.
--
Kachina Katrina Zavalney*
Mapping the Ecology of the Sustainability Movement
The Urban Alliance for Sustainability
www.uas.coop
cell: 503-459-1345
posted by:
cassidy
SF Bay Area
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  • Re: Speak out against aerial spraying

    Mon, February 25, 2008 - 9:08 PM
    Thanks for the Post Cassidy.!I find this rather amazing. I willl ook at the links...
    I don't understand why the spraying must happen in the east Bay or SF...this isn't an agricultural area?

    It sounds like *such* a bad idea and I"m not even a gardener. They're apparently spraying some sort of a hormone. will they study the likely upswing in thyroid cases? Or as usual just assume that the epedemic numbers of hyper and hypthyroidiam is unrelated to toxins in the environment.

    Thanks again for bothering to share this information.
  • Re: Speak out against aerial spraying

    Mon, February 25, 2008 - 9:34 PM
    I might go to the Oakland meeting. I'm sure the Berkeley one is likely to be well-attended (and maybe more entertaining..I've never been to a Berkeley City Council meeting..I hear they're a bit of the circus).

    Have they ever even studied this pesticide/ hormone they're planning on using? I understand that many of the hundreds (most?) of pesticides they use commercially have never been tested for carcinogenic or other health- threatening effects on workers or consumers.

    Oh what a wonderful world. YIKES!
    • Re: Speak out against aerial spraying

      Tue, February 26, 2008 - 8:11 AM
      There have been several studies. It looks like you'd basically have to drink this stuff straight for it to harm you, but that they need to do more studies. Most of the concern that seems to make sense to me is that this stuff had proprietary/secret ingredients, all of those are now public knowledge...
      Here's a remarkably unbiased report:
      www.cdfa.ca.gov/phpps/pdep...Aspects.pdf
      • Re: Speak out against aerial spraying

        Tue, February 26, 2008 - 10:55 AM
        This report only talks about short term exposure. The health effects over a five year period of spraying of humans(not rats) has not been tested yet. That is what they are using us for.

        Also the motives need to be addressed. The moth they have declared a state of emergency about has been in California for 10 years with no marginal crop damage. Our local predators have kept it in check. No need for $74.5 Million(just for Santa Cruz and Monterey) from taxpayers to Check Mate.

        Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger took more than $143,000 from Suterra’s owner Steve Resnick, the manufacturer of the Checkmate chemical, during his campaign.
        • Re: Speak out against aerial spraying

          Tue, February 26, 2008 - 12:22 PM
          well, looks like we're screwed as usual.
          and uh-
          >>>A small point- since the sprayed hormone doesn't kill the moths, it's not really a "pesticide".<< no, it still is one the goal is still to eradicate.

          A pesticide is a substance or mixture of substances used for preventing, controlling, or lessening the damage caused by a pest.


          so we all get sterilized, no big deal right?

          is there any way to stop them, or can we just shout at walls about this??
          at this point looks like it would take Arnold to fix!
          • Re: Speak out against aerial spraying

            Tue, February 26, 2008 - 5:46 PM
            Thorn.... where'd you get that definition?

            The dictionary says: "pes·ti·cide
            –noun
            a chemical preparation for destroying plant, fungal, or animal pests.
            Also called biocide."

            If we can move back to our root words for a moment, the suffix -icide means "to kill". Homicide. Fratricide. Etc etc.

            One wouldn't say of an infanticide that it's an act used for preventing, controlling or lessening the damage caused by babies, would one? (One wouldn't, unless one had some Issues)

            I'm just sayin'. There's so much hysteria around this subject ("OMG THEY'RE GONNA KILL MY BAYBEES WITH PESTICIDES OMG OMG WHAT DO WE DOOO") that it would be great if folks wouldn't use the wrong terms to further inflame the panic.
          • Re: p.s.

            Tue, February 26, 2008 - 5:47 PM
            >so we all get sterilized, no big deal right?

            That would be so fucking awesome, words wouldn't even describe! Less people for the win!
    • Re: Speak out against aerial spraying

      Tue, February 26, 2008 - 10:34 AM
      A small point- since the sprayed hormone doesn't kill the moths, it's not really a "pesticide".
      • Re: Speak out against aerial spraying

        Tue, February 26, 2008 - 10:52 PM
        you should look up the word digression.
        • Re: Speak out against aerial spraying

          Tue, February 26, 2008 - 11:05 PM
          Is there any way to stop them?
          First sign the petition, www.stopthespray.org/
          Second write/ call the governor, gov.ca.gov/interact, Phone: 916-445-2841 Fax: 916-558-3160
          Third write/ call congress person, www.dreamagic.com/congress/ca.html

          Fourth yell really loud, at the wall.

          • Re: Speak out against aerial spraying

            Wed, February 27, 2008 - 8:41 AM
            >Fourth yell really loud, at the wall.

            Exactly. That'll do as much good as any of your other suggestions.

            God forbid I "digress" from the hysteria campaign by pointing out inaccuracies!
            • Re: Speak out against aerial spraying

              Wed, February 27, 2008 - 9:13 AM
              So far none of the actions taken by municipalities will stop the planned spraying.

              News reports on public radio yesterday said that there had been no respritory studies done on the agent and that the reported health complaints in Monterey and Santa Cruz were entire plausible given the toxicological profile of the agent.
            • Re: Speak out against aerial spraying

              Wed, February 27, 2008 - 2:32 PM
              What ,may I ask everyone is there worth fighting for? While I realize that much of what the government does is in complete disregard to its citizens and rather for it's monetary gain. What will you fight for then? entertainment? Shopping? materialism? a superficial existance where all that matters is what affects you and only you?
              If we all believe that nothing can be done then not only do we give up w/o trying, but we fall into an apathetic slump where we feel disconnected from the world and events around us and we continue to allow our society to be mistreated and overlooked.

              accepting our daily injustices means we are accepting the current paradime. How do you think change happens in the first place? We have to come together and work towards ALL of our good, not just our own.
              • Re: Speak out against aerial spraying

                Wed, February 27, 2008 - 5:18 PM
                hey i'm not saying this shouldn't be stopped, but i think people are going at it the wrong way.

                this has to be taken straight to the governor or someone else above the idiots doing the spraying. complaining to the people spraying is like asking TV to stop broadcasting. not going to happen.

                create a state law that bans spraying and we have something

                >>>>>definition argument<<<<<<

                yes Heather if you want to be technical, sure, but the definition of pesticide is expanded because of its uses. NOT EVERY WORD in English retains all it's greek/ latin roots or adhere to them exactly
                also when you sterilize for the point of eradiction, you are "ciding" the future offspring
                • Re: Speak out against aerial spraying

                  Wed, February 27, 2008 - 6:38 PM
                  Fight away, I'm certainly not saying that people shouldn't fight.
                  But I also think it's a good idea to have as much information about a subject as possible before being so certain about what should be done about it. The report I mentioned talked about reports of " ...lots of health related complaints ... after spraying." That was anecdotal evidence, but surely cause for concern. It also said that a limited amount of testing had been done. It also talked in depth about many issues that I thought would be of interest. I'm sorry if folks who had already made up their minds about the subject were threatened by that. (That's sure what it sounds like, sorry if I'm misunderstanding you...)

                  I also didn't mean to start a war of semantics, just broaden the discussion with more information.
                • Re: Speak out against aerial spraying

                  Thu, February 28, 2008 - 8:29 AM
                  >also when you sterilize for the point of eradiction, you are "ciding" the future offspring

                  So I'm guilty of infanticide, since I'm sterilized?
                  Every time you masturbate, are you guilty of infanticide because each of those sperm doesn't get a chance to make a run for an egg?
                  Is abortion murder, then, even in the early stages of pregnancy, because even though it's just a clump of cells it COULD be future offspring?

                  See, language is a slippery slope.
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.

                    Re: Speak out against aerial spraying

                    Fri, March 7, 2008 - 5:32 PM
                    abortion IS murder if you believe that life begins at conception. (which is what the opponents of abortion believe). you're just a bigger clump of cells, after all.
                    </tangent>
              • Re: Speak out against aerial spraying

                Wed, February 27, 2008 - 8:32 PM
                The main problem is that we are all dependent, to a greater degree, on the economic structures in place at the moment. These same structures support a society that has many problems. However, those problems, many of them, do not appear to be insurmountable in the current legal structure...although some of that legal structure will have to change to accomplish solving many of these problems. Of course, because there is conflict between individuals as to what problems should be tackled first, second, and third, there is also a lot of inertia...and that is not necessarily a bad thing...but it is frustrating at times. If the inertia reaches a point where a great number of social ills cannot be solved within the current legal and social structures than, well, apathy may well set in.

                Now, the problem is, in my opinion, that in fact many of the problems we have these days our ancestors would have killed to have. Thus, we sit on top of the heap of history, dandy as can be, worried about how we should climb to the next paradise...thinking that where we are right now is some sort of hell...or, in our case, more like "heck".

                And what I mean by that is that we wonder if what our society is doing to us might not lead us to, you know, get sick at the age of 50 with some sort of cancer...not necessarily worrying about 'gee, I won't reach the age of three'. That having been said, I DO worry that humanity is making some big mistakes by not dealing with war and famine, etc...pesticides are bad and certainly a long term problem...but, gee, do they really measure up to the threat of some bozo at the button deciding to blow up the world because he can't get cheap gasoline for his humvee? Or deciding to unleash some super bug on the world because "God told me too!"? So, I applaud those who do work to clean up the environment, because, well, it does reflect well on our society and us as individuals when one does decide to go out and make statements like "We should all live in a pesticide free society!" because maybe...maybe! there will be some sort of consensus formed through years and years of arguing and bickering and compromise, etc with regard to what the biggest threats to the human species are...before the fact is moot.
  • Re: Speak out against aerial spraying

    Thu, February 28, 2008 - 1:48 PM
    have you looked at the skies the last few days??

    you know they already spray us to shit right?
    are you aware of chemtrails?

    I hate to say it but we're pretty much fucked.

    somemore info and links can be found here on tribe
    chemtrails.tribe.net/
    • Re: Speak out against aerial spraying

      Thu, February 28, 2008 - 8:39 PM
      Chemtrails- o.k. yeah

      Heather- uh, yeah , ok whatever. you win if that makes you feel better..

      >>>The report I mentioned talked about reports of " ...lots of health related complaints ... after spraying." That was anecdotal evidence, but surely cause for concern. It also said that a limited amount of testing had been done.<<<<

      so poking around, this really sucks, seems like at least some people felt sick from the spraying, any safety tests run were probably paid for by the manufacturer.

      so far most of people's protests are being directed at California Department of Food and Agriculture which seems like the wrong place to start. like i said, this needs to be brought to the state or governor, and worse, they are probably going to side with the farmers.

      the only way to stop it will be a petition, a professional one that results in all of us voting on a law, and it would be really hard to word that law effectively
    • Re: Speak out against aerial spraying

      Fri, February 29, 2008 - 8:35 AM
      Yay, it wouldn't be the Berkeley tribe without more scientifically-incorrect hysteria!

      Contrails (what you call "chemtrails") are easily explained by atmospheric science. Silly scaremongers. Here's a site that uses smallish words: asd-www.larc.nasa.gov/GLOBE/
      • Re: Speak out against aerial spraying

        Sat, March 1, 2008 - 1:47 PM
        Isn't the whole Chemtrails thing about the same as the "Steven King shot John Lennon" guy?

        one nut with too much time, money, and paper to hand out to people.

        couldn't possibly be water condensing at altitude. truth is they do of course contain pollution, but not more than any other diesel burning engine's. (jet fuel is practically diesel minus lubricators, of all stupid fuels. FAA refuses to do enough tests to declare anything else safe)

        >>>Jet fuel is very similar to diesel fuel, and a few aircraft engine manufacturers, most notably Thielert, have begun offering piston engines which run on jet fuel. The technology promises to be a way to provide light, powerful, and environmentally-friendly engines for the general aviation market while simplifying airport logistics and phasing out leaded avgas.

        Jet fuel is often used in ground support vehicles at airports, instead of diesel. The United States military makes heavy use of JP-8, for instance. However, jet fuel tends to have poor lubricating ability in comparison to diesel, thereby increasing wear on fuel pumps and other related engine parts. Civilian vehicles tend to disallow its use, or require that an additive be mixed with the jet fuel in order to restore its lubricity.<<<<

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