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WHY do vegans smell bad?

topic posted Tue, July 4, 2006 - 2:40 AM by  Argent
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Oh c'mon, just admit it, we all know it's true, but never talk about it. Maybe some of you medical people can tell us. Why do vegans smell so awful? Do they really not notice that dreadful stench, or is it a gradual problem that increases so slowly they don't detect it? Is it caused by a dietary deficit, or by the same condition that causes them to be vegan in the first place? Is there a dietary cure for it, or do you just have to spray them with a masking agent like turpentine or oil of mercaptan, and stay upwind? What can we do to stop stinky vegans from ruining our bus rides, meals, and other public activities?
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Argent
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  • Re: WHY do vegans smell bad?

    Tue, July 4, 2006 - 10:01 AM
    Maybe it's because they use the "deodorant rock" (which doesn't work).
    Can't say I've smelled a vegan before, but I don't have much of a sense of smell.
    • Re: WHY do vegans smell bad?

      Tue, August 1, 2006 - 9:52 AM
      I thought I could get through this without asking, but I can't.

      WHAT th' FUCK is a "deodorant rock"?

      Does this have anything to do with Schoolhouse Rock?

      I liked the one about Zero, My Hero. I mean, he was pretty dynamic. You'd expect a guy dedicated to zero to be a nilhist or something, right? Nah, he was cool.
  • Re: WHY do vegans smell bad?

    Tue, July 4, 2006 - 11:46 AM
    vegan 6 years and i don't smell, well.... other than good.
    i have many vegan friends, all smell lovely.

    perhaps this was meant to be funny?

    of course, if you don't shower, don't wear deodorant, or wear non-breathable vinyl shoes that you don't clean or take care of --- one will smell --- but let's not put that as a defining vegan characteristic or defining hippy characteristics.
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      Tue, July 4, 2006 - 10:44 PM
      Bad vegans! bad vegans!
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        Tue, July 4, 2006 - 10:58 PM
        Not meaning to be well...RUDE, or anything, but I simply cannot trust anyone unwilling to run down a young calf and rip out it's beating heart and eat it raw with garlic. now THAT's accountability!
        also: in the whole sphere of universal consciousness, who exactly speaks up for the wheat kernel? or the apple?
        Is it really for you to say that these plants are less entitled to life than a cow, or for that matter, you?
        I have heard many arguments for veganism, the best being the anti-beef industry, and the health argument. ok.
        But spiritually? please. give me a break. the only reason anyone would use that argument is because mammals are more like humans than plants and since we are so speciesist and vain about our glorious "humanity" we hate to see things that remind us of US getting slaughtered for food.
        example: we hate blood, but not orange juice. ask an orange how they feel about that. what? you can't communicate with an orange? maybe that's not the ORANGE'S fault, you communicationally underdeveloped little human bean sprout!

        Plants? no one seems to care. and suddenly these "spiritual" types who claim sensitivity towards all beings, don't give a fuck, or worse, won't even CONSIDER the very real possibility that plants may not only be an intelligent life form, but might also be more highly spiritually evolved than humans.
        So the next time you bite into a whole wheat tortilla, just think of all the little innocent souls, that were ripped from thier comfortable homes, crushed by cruel machinery, and then forced in to ovens of death, all for your stupid burrito. is it really fair!

        VEGANISM IS MURDER
        Just ask a wheat sprout.

        Piero
        • Re: WHY do vegans smell bad?

          Wed, July 5, 2006 - 8:59 AM
          Don't forget to listen to your Rice Crispies when they speak to you. I listen to mine, and I am not even a Vegan................
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            Rice crispies..

            Wed, July 5, 2006 - 10:19 AM
            That might be a little problem since they were MURDERED before they wound up in my bowl.
            Unless I can develop a crystal psychic connection with the rice-spirit.
            So if a can make a cosmic connection with the dead rice, which one should I listen to? snap, crackle, or pop? you sound like you know what you're talking about.

            Please advise
        • Re: WHY do vegans smell bad?

          Wed, July 5, 2006 - 3:41 PM
          Whoa....

          Ok - so clearly this is going to turn into a ranting thread. Not really what I enjoy - but I just thought I might add one thing before I gracefully (or not so gracefully?) exit.

          From your post, it seems like you have had some bad experiences with some vegans. I have, too. But don't let a couple rotten grapes ruin the bunch. Clearly, we haven't met, and I would hope your experiences with them do not color how you interact with me...since I don't believe all vegans are the same...just like all omnivores aren't.

          My basic take on being vegan is this. I enjoy being a vegan, and do not try to push my choices on other people. I feel it is the best choice for me regarding how I live my life and interact with the world around me. I do not profess to being more enlightened or spiritually aware then meat-eaters. I do not fall under the hippy-dippy sterotype. In fact, spirituality isn't one of the reasons why I chose to be a vegan. I happily will have a civil, rational discussion about my reasons for becoming vegan - if asked. I don't push my tofu or carrots on you - I don't expect you to push your steak on me. Although, I have been known to force a couple of my chocolate chip cookies on people.

          Of course, it follows that I support people becoming vegan. But the way I do that is by talking and helping people who have an interest in being vegan. To explain how I do it. I wouldn't go out of my way to force it on anyone. I have no interest in working on people to become anything they don't want to be. I feel like the best advertisement is to be happy and healthy myself and not be angry or hostile with people who choice to live their lives eating meat.

          I do have a sense of humour --- and my non-vegan/vegetarians friends (yes, i do have them!) and i often joke about our diets and the vegan sterotypes. I just felt like I should speak up a bit -- when it was said that all vegans smell. C'mon, now....have a heart. Plus, I like to offer an example as being one of the people who don't fit the extremist (or smelly!) vegan sterotypes.

          I personally wouldn't trust a person who is not willing to rip out a human heart and eat it with garlic....but that is just me.
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            Wed, July 5, 2006 - 10:40 PM
            Right on! next up: buttery human hearts! yeah!

            I play a leetle joke at local juice collective a few days ago.

            Cashier:
            "what'll you have?"
            Me:
            "a pork and beef smothie please!"
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            Thu, July 6, 2006 - 1:23 AM
            couldn't have said it better myself, but with peiro, i'm afraid your well phrased letter will fall on deaf ears.
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              Thu, July 6, 2006 - 10:07 AM
              Actually. I could have said it better myself, but with Ra, I'm afraid a sense of humor will fall on Blind eyes
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                Thu, July 6, 2006 - 1:02 PM
                The apparent implication is that the inclusion of eggs, cheese and milk into one's diet results in a dramatically better smelling individual, which makes this whole thread fall into the humor category of "absurdist". Funny, though, how it would turn from "absurd" to "bigoted" were the word 'vegans' substituted with, say, 'Mexicans'. So, yes, it walks that fine line, but then again, staggeringly genius comedy usually does.
                --Mark the Mexican
          • Re: WHY do vegans smell bad?

            Sun, July 16, 2006 - 10:31 PM
            I find this thread incrediably entertaining. ;)
            • Re: WHY do vegans smell bad?

              Wed, July 19, 2006 - 5:58 AM
              "I find this thread incrediably entertaining. ;) "

              So do I.

              Does that make us clever, easily amused, and/or slightly socially retarded?

              huh.

              dunno.


              gotta go figure out how to have sex in a teletubby costume.


              I'll let you know how it works out.
              • Re: WHY do vegans smell bad?

                Thu, July 20, 2006 - 5:23 PM
                I sat very close to Sarah, a vegan, at a Berkeley tribe meet and greet and I will testify under oath that she smelled fine. Not that I was sniffing her, but you get the idea.

                So it would seem a better question would be why do SOME vegans smell bad, or just why do some people smell bad. For what it's worth, I'm told europeans in general feel we americans smell all perfumed and over deoderized.
                • Re: WHY do vegans smell bad?

                  Fri, July 28, 2006 - 9:14 AM
                  SARAAAAH! BOBZILLER WUZ SNIFF YOO!!!

                  You are a VEGAN SNIFFER.

                  I hope you understand that.

                  a VEGAN SNIFFER!
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                    Sat, July 29, 2006 - 2:25 PM
                    Just curious. Questio for the vegans /veggies. First of all I have absolutely nothing against vegans or vegetarians. Many of my friends are vegans and vegetarians. Personaly I'm a meat eater. This is not intended to pick a fight

                    I've heard many vegans and vegatarians say they oppose the killing of animals for food, a reason I completely understand. However I was talking to an academic agriciltural type who said "yeah, but tilling and plowing a field kills thousands of small animals, rodents, snakes, etc. "

                    It seems that large scale agriculture isn't so good for the planet either? Granted that large scale livestock facilities are horrendous for the planet.

                    Comments anyone?

                    Bobzilla
                    Vegan Sniffer
  • Re: WHY do vegans smell bad?

    Thu, July 6, 2006 - 7:25 PM
    Why is this question and topic being discussed in this tribe?
    • Re: WHY do vegans smell bad?

      Fri, July 7, 2006 - 2:35 AM
      Because Berkeley is full of VEGANS and because VEGANS are obviously INSANE and even SMELL insane, for gods sakes man do I have to spell it out for you? Our CHILDREN are exposed to these vegans, yes, VEGANS are EXPOSING themselves and their "LIFESTYLE" to our precious CHILDREN!


      MY GOD, WILL NO ONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN???


      No more bogus hippie communister in french pastry underwear type questions, thanks.


      goddamit!
      • Re: WHY do vegans smell bad?

        Fri, July 7, 2006 - 10:12 AM
        I'm not vegan but I do love french pastry underwear. Even Gualtier loves edible fashion.

        www.kungfoodie.com/our-daily-bread/
        • Re: WHY do vegans smell bad?

          Sat, July 8, 2006 - 8:16 PM
          I'm vegetarian because I feel a need to walk lightly on the planet, and I want to be healthier. If somebody is vegan for spiritual reasons, they may believe in re-incarnation. For that matter, can anybody say for sure what happens when you die?

          Plants exist symbiotically with animals, and symbiosis is a wonderful thing when used correctly. It makes sense for me to be vegetarian, and I really respect vegans for the choices that they make.

          If you're going to make fun of vegans, at least make your jokes funny. Put-downs really end up sounding... childish, if I say so myself.
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            Sat, July 8, 2006 - 11:38 PM
            That's a self justifying argument if I ever heard one.
            Plants are beings, spiritual beings, some of them ( as in "teachers", as put forth by Bach, the famous botanist/doctor, who goes so far as to group plants by emotion) are known to feel pain, and radiate harmonic frequencies, emit light, communicate with one another, and other creatures, and as demonstrated in " the secret life of plants" By Peter Tompkins, and Christopher Bird, plants ar far deeper and amorional and spiritual then most humans could even understand.

            I was not addressing anything other than so-called "spiritual" people's needs to justify whatever they happen to be doing at the moment, including lifestyles, beliefs, and diets.
            You really believe that a plant exists symbotically with humans?
            Ask a plant. seriously. unless you can prove that they want to be cut down, burned, and otherwise mutilliated for our needs, I don't think that being vegan is any more spiritual than riding a harley.
            I wish my People, (Berkeley SF Nor Cal McSpiritual types) would quit trying to pimp spirituality to meet their needs and philosiphies, and admit something.
            They, like I are capitalists living at the top of the food chain, and really spoiled.. I don't feel a need to cover that, jussify it, pimp some spiritual mindset, or otherwise give it a halo.

            Jeeze. I am just a street kid from the dirt. And I can smell bullshit from a hundred miles. Spare me.
            • Re: WHY do vegans smell bad?

              Sun, July 9, 2006 - 12:47 AM
              you know, i hear vegans taste better. especially with some fava beans and a nice chianti.
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                Sometimes vegans smell bad, as do some people who aren't vegan. I don't think it's just a correlation with poor hygiene, but a dependency on processed foods. Not all vegans eat uber processed fake meat products, and not all vegans smell bad.

                I find it interesting how far people are willing to go to disprove the vegan arguments. I don't agree with them (the moral vegans), but I'm pretty confident in my morals and in my consumption of meat (mmm....meat.). Have you heard any judgemental statements about meat consumption in this thread? No, but there's a lot of bitching about the implausability of these arguments. Maybe you people are hearing judgement because of an insecurity around your own practices. Honestly, rather than the moral discussion of veganism, I'm a bit more troubled by the health arguments for becoming vegan. It can be so difficult to eat well and vegan; being a healthy vegan is a very time consuming project and most don't have the time.

                Just as it is natural for us to consume both meat and vegetation, it's natural to feel empathy when confronted by the suffering of creatures like us. Vegans are not being misled by a culturally imposed hierarchy of life forms. Piero, that's about as much of a stretch as the statement that meat is murder and dairy is rape.
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                  Sounds like more self justifying words.
                  The Phrase "culturally imposed" (as in white upper class people telling other what to do and how to do it) smacks of another attempt at monopolizing moral high ground. and that kind of argument only comes from upper class white people. and the assumption that killing other mammals for food is somehow inhereintly wrong, smacks of "cultural imposition".
                  Disprove? no way. to tell the truth, I am considering becomeing a vegan myself. for heatth, and political reasons. I am no lover of the american meat industry. but also, I am no lover of dilatantes, (SP?) trying to feel better about them selves, and their rich privilleged place in society by adhering to lifestyles that require for hundreds of workers from all around the world to work, so that they can fill their dainty little vegan plates, and then waxing poetic about their "return to nature".
                  It's fake.
                  Also the whole "walk lightly in the world" concept comes off as phoney.
                  really? then move to to country. your very presence in the city makes you a polluter, and a fixture of an industrial complex.

                  You all can go into as much denial as is required to ease your guilt, but something dies in order for you to live. it's violent, it's nature, and it's always been that way.
                  Deal with it.
                  P.S. I never smelled a bad-smelling vegan. they smell nice to me!
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                    "Sounds like more self justifying words."

                    Oh, I'm no vegan. I eat everything and lots of it. When I can I walk less heavily on this earth (you're right that living in a city and walking lightly aren't compatible). I consume things that are grown locally, but I'm no purist in any sense.

                    And about making fun of people in general: it's less offensive to all if it's done well. This thread comes off as bitchy and caddy to me, not really funny. But everyone has a different sense of humor...

                    Congratulations on your decision to maybe become vegan. I agree with the political reasons but fear for your health. I hope you don't get pissy from the hunger or start to smell bad. And don't eat too much processed soy.
                • Moral judgement?

                  I don't recall even ONCE (prior to this writing) mentioning here that every single vegan I ever met was a consumate jerkwad given to astonishing heights of grandiosity and depths of illogic! Nor have I mentioned how they wear synthetics, drive cars, and do a wide range of other things that toxify the biosphere and pollute our collective prana. Nope, none of that, nor any mention of the delusory state of mind that preceeds their becoming vegans. Nothing at all about their moral deficits. All I mentioned was that they STINK, and are CRAZY.

                  Do you think mental illness should carry a moral stigma? That's very Victorian of you, but I'm a bit more modern in my approach to mental illness. I think we could be humane and round up the vegans, and administer shock treatments and cheeseburgers. Has anyone even tried, or have we decided to write them off as deranged, without any hope of regaining their quality of life? Try thinking about someone besides yourself for a change. So crazy people scare you. Grow up, get over it, and HELP them! Try a little compassion for a change!
  • Re: WHY do vegans smell bad?

    Sun, July 9, 2006 - 1:22 PM
    I can´t remember where I read it, but i read that each of us smells a particular person differently--one of us will smell more of the urine-like component of the person´s body odor, while another of us will smell more of the musky stuff that turns us on, with the same person. So if you think all vegans smell bad then maybe it just means you usually don´t have great body/sexual chemistry with them and shouldn´t mate with a vegan.

    I go through phases of eating meat and being vegetarian, and my body odor is always stronger when i´m eating meat. Doesn´t mean it´s bad body odor, though. And I agree with the commenter above who says that it doesn´t matter if you eat meat or not, if you don´t eat healthily you raise your chances of being a stinker. There´s lots of unhealthy vegans cuz it´s so hard to do it right in this country of compromised agriculture and food processing.


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      Sun, July 9, 2006 - 1:44 PM
      Yeah! don't mate with vegans! they're BAD! Bad vegans! Bad Vegans!

      just kidding. this entire thread has given me more laughs, and insights than most. thanks.
      I gotta go now, my baby seal burger is getting cold.

      P
  • Re: WHY do vegans smell bad?

    Sun, July 9, 2006 - 6:29 PM
    Argent:

    May I ask what your vocation is?

    A street corner comedian looking for material?

    What exactly was your motivation in starting this thread? Your group of the day to poke fun at?

    Bored, need to stir sh*t up?

    Since you asked, I suggest you spray the perspiration of a meat-eater to cover the vegan smell, since you seem to like the dead animal smell better.
    • Re: WHY do vegans smell bad?

      Sun, July 9, 2006 - 11:52 PM
      "Argent:"

      WHAT?

      "May I ask what your vocation is?"

      You may ask, but I won't reply given your perfectly horrid demeanor, coupled with my rigorous adherance to a standard that demands I not dignify rhetorical questions that are part of a tepid set-up to a predictable and mediocre attempt at dunning, with either my time or answers. But you may ask.

      "A street corner comedian looking for material?"

      Oh my, you must feel terribly clever. Did you get that out of a Bennet Cerf joke book? Or the Big Vegan Book of Macrobiologistic Humor? Do you happen to find it FUNNY that you VEEGERS tend to stink AND are mostly NUSTO? HUH?

      "What exactly was your motivation in starting this thread? Your group of the day to poke fun at? "

      If you were something other than a middle-aged snitstress with her head so far up her butt that her colon sings her sweet lullabies, AND NOT A WACKYPANTS VEGAN PLANTSLAYER, you'd know I was reaching out specifically to people like YOU. I do this so that if I PEE on you by ACCIDENT, I won't feel even a little bit BAD about it.

      "Bored, need to stir sh*t up?"

      Nope. Just need a dose of self-rightious twerpy indignation to cheer me up. Been feeling like a FUCKHEAD lately, and when I feel like a FUCKHEAD, I provoke REAL FUCKHEADS to go into a sad little snit-dance somewhere. It's not very nice, but there it is. Since it's you I was trying to stir up, I'll leave it to you to decide if I actually stirred up shit, per se.

      "Since you asked, I suggest you spray the perspiration of a meat-eater to cover the vegan smell, since you seem to like the dead animal smell better."

      Upon what do you base this irrational conclusion? Where did you even get the idea I eat meat? You see, the same "magical thinking" that pollutes your mind with veganism is hard at work here.

      "Since you live on planet Minka-Moo, I sugest you wash your hats in moosepoop, har har har looly har". Jeeez, and who are you supposed to be, Henny Youngman's rotting corpse?

      Please stop trying to destroy OUR AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE with your insanity and perversion.

      Thank you.
      • Re: WHY do vegans smell bad?

        Mon, July 10, 2006 - 2:05 AM
        ahahahahaahaha

        ok , some of these folks are just plain lying. i have had the great misfortune of not only allowing vegans to live in my home, but also use my bathroom. '
        there really is nothing worse.

        honestly the BO part i think is some part of the juvenile philosophy some vegans subscribe to which insists you believe you smell good. its a complicated belief system. taxes suck, food should be free. work is for idiots, why arent there more free "****"
        it really has little to do with being vegan i think, and i do know some who dont smell bad at all. the veggies arent making their bodies smell bad anyway.

        all i think of it is if a person wants to "evolve" beyond eating meat, can they also realize the rest of us evolved past using scent as a communication instrument eons ago.
        i know, i know not exactly 100% true, but get real. anyone who really thinks their BO is good has just gotten too used to it, and needs to really take a hard whiff to get a sense of what they are actually doing to their neighbor.

        what does makes this Berkeley- how arrogant the vegans here are. YES factory farming is bad, over eating of meat, especially by lazy non exercising Americans is bad.
        true, we did not evolve to eat meat as often as we do.
        BUT we are a heck of a lot less cruel than the other animals are when it comes to killing our food, and until all of them quit eating each other (and us, occasionally) STOP trying to tell me how "wrong" it is to eat my little buddy here........
        • Re: WHY do vegans smell bad?

          Mon, July 10, 2006 - 4:15 AM
          All political and moral debates on veganism aside, I have had two distinct odor experiences with vegans - one positive and one negative. One vegan smelled faintly sweet and didn't even have morning breath. The other smelled of slightly rotting vegetables. I wish I were making that up. The first few times I smelled the festering veggie smell, I thought it was something off in the trash, but I figured out it was the vegan in the room. It's not BO in the traditional sense of funky sweat, but it IS BO in the sense that it's an odor coming from the body. It's not, ahem, flatulence either because it's a fairly constant odor.

          I have never encountered something like this before. I remembered reading about how doctors used to diagnose certain diseases based on body odor, so I did some research to see if the old vegetable smell was the symptom of something but so far I've found no explanation beyond the fact that this person is a vegan. If it's due to something else, I haven't figured it out yet.
          • Re: WHY do vegans smell bad?

            Mon, July 10, 2006 - 2:01 PM
            Thank God the vegetarians have been spared the malodorous mirth/wrath, because I hear they're a lot more aggressive in their defense. Must be the eggs and butter.

            After all this totally deserved and satisfying vegan-bashing has reached its logical conclusion, can we move on to stereotyping illegal immigrants, musicians, hippies or soccer moms afterwards, please, please!? 'Cuz boy oh boy do I have some things things to say...

            Basically, anyone who doesn't share my exact beliefs, values, customs or culture just pisses me off with their stupidity, so I'm ready with brass knuckles.
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              Mon, July 10, 2006 - 4:23 PM
              I think that thisn string constitutes one of the most sucessful trools I have ever seen, and hats off to argent, a coyote trikster like myself. good work.

              On a more serious note I have never really smelled a vegan up close, though I was at cafe gratitude yesterday, and it took all my restraint not to ask if I could smell our server.
              I do know that when people are in the beginning stages of almost any big dietary change, the body throws off toxins, and thusly ( love using important-sounding words) the human odor might be more acrid, as the body's alkaline/acid balance changes. it's natural.
              On the other hand if you've been to a steak house and passed a 300 pound guy who just finished off a 64 ounce butter and garlic "beef jihad" then you also know that it can at times smell like a tallow factory on strike.
              As to the statement that humans kill with less cruelty, I am not so sure that distancing oneself from the bloody process, as well as killing more species for food than any other creature, constitutes "less cruelty"
              I remember as a child, I used to love chicken soup. once on "the land" (the famous hippie commune) a man made a point of making me see a chicken get slaughtered for the soup I loved so much. I rean around screaming "dead chicken!"
              It wierded me out for couple of hours, until I got really hungry. on that day, as well as the day I hunted deer in oregon as a teen, and learned to gut and skin a deer for food, I made what I think was a primal connection with the whole cycle of life death and food.
              As I age, it becomes less and less important, and less healthy to have a love of meat, and so, I embrace a more "vegan" ( I hope no vegan here will take offense at my misuse of the word) in my tastes. especially since some atheletes I know who are older, prize blood alkalinity, and therefore eat an almost macrobiotic diet, with the exception of some fish.
              I do that now, with on occasional steak (harris ranch for me, thank you) and an occasionl pig out on an oxtail stew. I can say personally, that less meat in my diet makes me feel better, stronger, and more clear headed. I don't however claim any spiritual points for such a diet, and if I were to go vegan ( am considering that now) I don't think I would really care about people eating meat or not, as long as it was not leathel to them, or disruptive to me.
              While I engage in some troling of sensitive holy cows( no pun intended) with my fellow spiritual seekers and northern california quasi-spiritualists, I do take the fact that americans no 1 cause of death is heart disease. Karma? I can't call it. un-intellignt eating? absolutly.
              So this thread shows why some good-humored trolling can actually bring up some good issues between us. And also proves a point that a shinto monk ( I was in a shinto temple for two years when I was 8) said, "A lack of humor indicates a lack of spirituality" I didn't know what he meant then, but I do now. As with the burningman troll I did months ago, and some of the neighborhood oriented debates I got involved in, I think that mostly I like the people here, even when I don't agree with them. But when you are dealng with people like me (over exposed spiritually interested, street hoods, with a sense of history) you should expect to have some of your most sacred beliefs tested.
              It's all a part of social evolution. you out the idea out there and see if it lives or dies.

              Anyway, I am just a jerk anyway, so who cares what I think.

              P
              • Re: WHY do vegans smell bad?

                Tue, July 11, 2006 - 4:48 AM
                Oh man, I used to get really pissed when they'd kill the chickens without getting me first. When you have to feed them and clean coops, even if you're a really sweet little kid... first time, the shock, then the horror, then one of the damn birds jumps up and runs around with the head cut off. My sisters screamed and ran, I fell on the ground, I was laughing so hard. Goddamn, Lookit 'im go!

                Had to stop hunting except in emergencies, because it's just not fair unless I'm willing to use a knife on a buck - way too old for that now. Sometimes I go photo-hunting, but that's it.

                The problem with body odor that's not dried sweat (b.o.) is called "outgassing", yep, same term as used for materials that put off unusual or toxic gases. Had a friend who couldn't figure out what was causing his skin to outgas a vaguely plastic odor, so he switched for a while to a straight Madrasi/Bengali diet. It worked, but not completely, so he went Thai/Vietnamese, which cleared up the problem in a couple of weeks.
            • Re: WHY do vegans smell bad?

              Tue, July 11, 2006 - 4:34 AM
              You FUSSBUDGET!

              What a PRISSPOT!

              Me, I'll whup up on ANYONE, as long as they invite me to by falling for any of my UTTERLY TRANSPARENT, TOTALLY BLATANT invitations to get STOOPIDLY NECKSTOMPED.

              Jeez, swear to "Bob", people in this fuckin' town are even bootsie about who we HATE!


              damn, that's pathetic, in a really hilarious way...
              • Re: WHY do vegans smell bad?

                Tue, July 11, 2006 - 8:39 PM
                Heh. You said "bootsie". Sweet.
                • Re: WHY do vegans smell bad?

                  Wed, July 12, 2006 - 5:57 AM
                  Are you a SECRET VEGAN?

                  Are you trying to TRICK me? HUH? ARE YA?

                  Are you looking at me, just LOOKING and LOOKING at me with weird beady little alien vegan eyes hidden behind lovely well made PROSTHETIC MAKEUP designed to make you look like a HUMAN person? HUH?

                  Ok, pull over and let me see your cheesey poofs, if you're a real human american person, and not a VEEEGAAAN!

                  AAAIEEEE!!!

                  NOW we will see if you VEGAURS really DO have mechanical ninja-monkeys in your meatflaps, or if that was all intergalactic PROPAGANDA designed to frightened weak willed primatives from backwards worlds like ours.


                  By the way, that nose isn't going to fool ANYONE.
      • Re: WHY do vegans smell bad?

        Wed, September 27, 2006 - 10:56 PM
        American Way of Life

        Now, thats champagne comedy!

        Lets just say the Australian Way of Life / un-unAustralian vs the American Way of Life get into a fistyfoocuffs fights, and see which Way of Life stands tallest and bloodiest. THEN we will know who to follow.

        I wouldnt necessarily point this one out, but its used often, so taking the benefit of the doubt that you a) believe in this vaguary b) take irony to its greatest length, I will go with ...... b) and agree with you that:
        - the American Way of Life includes Chile, the Falkland Islands (so British!) and Nova Scotia, to name only a few...
        - it depends what time scale & location the Way of Life wraps its little abstract hands around ...
        - which racial groups are included in this Way of Life
        but most importantly
        - how militaristic does the Govt need to get to Impose this Way of Life?

        Wonder what the Russian Way of Life around ooo 1932 or the German Way of Life around 1935 was like?

        OK, enough rumification upon one of the greatest jokes perpetuated upon a countrys people that lap it up as some form of defense of ... something

        And onto veganism®

        Well, well, well, vegans smell bad. Its the deoderant thing I think. PubMed that question for an answer in some brainiacs back catalogue...

        Veganism itself. Well, I'm accidentally vegan. Yes, I am a subgroup - dangerous to all ideologues.
        I mostly end up eating non diary or meat products through the course of my day, but will eat a steak if the cow comes from the area around where I am eating (I had NO problem eating meat in Spain. For the area I was in (Andalucia), you could do a litttttlebit of detective work and meet the farmer).

        And the point about plants feeling pain as much as animals or us....what a great point! That just about changed my mind on veganism, or at least addressed a point I had been thinking of occassionally over a while.

        And Argent, I dips me hat to ya. Esp. in return to the middle aged lass. You crack me up big time, and I enjoy this thread. It deserved to be exhumed from the cybercemetry.
        • Re: WHY do vegans smell bad?

          Fri, September 29, 2006 - 11:33 PM
          Has anyones noticed the symantic similarities between the Economic phrase "Standard of Living" and the Social Phrase "Way of Life".

          Way's of life, ritualistic and habitual patterns in human behavior are inherently evil things. They bind us to habit, laziness and vice. Ultimately most people seek exactly that, a life of habit, laziness and vice, but only in the manner they create in the whims of the imagination.

          It is an Irony, but that doesnt mean it is false.
        • Re: WHY do vegans smell bad?

          Sun, March 25, 2007 - 2:17 AM
          aw, christ in a pickle barrel, hadda revive this thread, huh?

          Fisticuffs? In America, fisticuffs means non-automatic firearms. No one stands tall afterwards, if done properly. Mutually assured destruction, NO MATTER WHAT!!!

          *THAT* is the American way of life.

          So, did you know that VEGANS are on the Homeland Security Terrorist Watch List? Yup, sure enough! Um, the KKK, the American Nazi Party, The White Aryan Resistance, and so on, are all absent from that list... but at least OHS is trackings VEGANS and QUAKERS!

          Can't trust them peacenik OATER bastards, either!
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    Re: WHY do vegans smell bad?

    Fri, September 15, 2006 - 9:50 AM
    We do NOT smell offensive! Body odor is NATURAL! Why can't people understand this very real phenomena and celebrate themselves instead of trying to run and hide from their nature and cover up or worse, wash away their body odor?

    Body odor says what words can't. It communicates our moods, our essence, our dreams.

    Workplace discrimination against body odor has gotten out of hand.

    Vegans don's smell bad, we smell NATURAL.
    • Re: WHY do vegans smell bad?

      Fri, September 15, 2006 - 10:16 AM
      Vomit smells natural too,
      I'm just sayin'
      • Re: WHY do vegans smell bad?

        Fri, September 15, 2006 - 11:04 AM
        Skunks smell natural. So do farts
        • Re: WHY do vegans smell bad?

          Wed, September 20, 2006 - 3:27 PM
          I think vegans are dumb.

          One of the best athletes I knew, broke several ribs and his collar bone, in regular aerobic activities. He was the only fully vegan athlete I knew. Dumb.

          Another guy I knew never gained wheight over 140 pounds, as a result of his fear of animal fat. The guy was trying to get buffed, and still refused to eat the steak. Dumb.

          Women lose iron in thier menstrual blood. If you don't eat a bucket of spinach every day for that half of the month, there is no way to replenish the iron lost. These women are causing amenia.

          Has anyone heard of creatine. It is a bodybuilding supplement. It is found naturally in the consumption of raw and or mildly cooked meat and fish. So is Iron. Iron enables the delivery of oxygen to your body, a carrier of life, and creatine enables you to perform high power activities for longer than twenty seconds, a muscular kind of nitro-boost.

          The vegans who stink are the ones that think either showers or anti-bacterial deaoderant are not important.

          Bad smells ARE bacteria. Have you every smelled someone who showered all of the time, and then watched them do a long workout and smell them again. They smell the same, because sweat is more sanitary then saliva, and urine.

          The issue here is that vegans THINK they have no toxins in thier bodies and THINK they can get away with leaving thier festering pits and crannies ooze all over our smellular spaces. The think wrong. They are dumb.

          The vegans who don't smell, obviously have enough brain to shower and use deodernt, but they are dumb because they don't realize the health benefit of eating fresh meat or fish on a daily basis.
  • Re: WHY do vegans smell bad?

    Wed, January 24, 2007 - 4:17 AM
    OK i dont Care, about the social / political implications of vegan-ism ,

    but the question Should be ...

    Why do vegan's ( Cooters )smell bad ?

    Afraid to ask ? ... well Ive done it for you.





  • Re: WHY do vegans smell bad?

    Wed, January 24, 2007 - 10:39 AM
    i am outraged that in a berkeley discussion group, of all places, such overt RACISM would be so brazenly expressed against the peace-loving and cultured people from the star system Vega.

    Andromedans, on the other hand....faugh!
    • Re: WHY do vegans smell bad?

      Mon, January 29, 2007 - 2:35 PM
      okay now, all joking aside - there's a prejudice at work here, which having lived for many years among both the offended and offending parties of this discussion, i feel i have an answer to.

      the real culprit you are concerned about is not VEGANISM per se. it is the OVERINDULGENCE IN SOY PRODUCTS.

      my friends and i used to joke [although it wasn't very funny] about whether we really wanted to go to the local friday night "dance free", for fear of having to withstand a barrage of near-lethal TOFU FARTS.

      anybody who eats too much of one kind of anything is going to be unhealthy.

      i have known lots of vegans who smell great and lots of non-vegans who wished they were vegan because MEAT IS SO F?!?ING EXPENSIVE.

      i think that the person who said they think vegans smell bad, may have met some vegans who happen to smell bad. but to go from this to "vegans smell bad!" is in defiance of both logic and the facts.

      i DO, however, know of a hipoisie counter-culture minority that is EXTREMELY defensive, that ALWAYS smell bad:

      smokers.

      by the way, i had a delicious double bacon cheeseburger the other night, and nobody in this house is telling me how wonderful i smell.....
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        Re: WHY do vegans smell bad?

        Tue, January 30, 2007 - 6:57 PM
        ::::old gruff southern gentleman lawyer voice:::


        Why, sir, I DETEST that depiction, and PROTEST that maligned characterization (cough cough!) and I MUST most vehemently DENY such accusations! I DEMAND satisfaction, in the form of a WRITTEN APOLOGIA or I shall be FORCED to RUN YOU THROUGH with my TRUSTY SCABBARD!

        :::back to piero::


        but truly. I smoked cloves and never heard a peep about it. don't smoke now. maybe people were too much in FEAR FOR THEIR LIVES to bring it to my attention?

        • Re: WHY do vegans smell bad?

          Wed, January 31, 2007 - 11:53 AM
          Cloves actually smell good, for cigs. I don't care really that they're like twice as bad as regular cigs, I like to smell them.

          (I don't smoke them myself, tried once and found out that the secondhand smoke smells better than doing it yourself!)

          But yeah, regular smokers? Ick.
        • Re: WHY do vegans smell bad?

          Thu, February 1, 2007 - 10:35 AM
          pio old friend, were you aware that clove cigarettes actually MAKE YOUR LUNGS BLEED?

          (personally that was my favorite thing about them...)

          i accept your challenge. meet me at live oak park at dawn. scabbards, or long pistols?
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            Re: WHY do vegans smell bad?

            Fri, February 2, 2007 - 2:20 AM
            actually... they had this sweet pungent greasy Indonesian aroma that made for a long lasting smoke, that really stuck to your lungs. mmmm. yummy.

            I gave it all up a few months back. no more coffee, nor ciggies.
            Perhaps when we meet for our duel, you can bring your choice of scabbard or "long pistol" (mine is longer), and I will just brng my brand new halo.

            aha!

            how have you been. got any more 80's pics?
            • Re: WHY do vegans smell bad?

              Fri, February 2, 2007 - 11:43 AM
              oh you know, like the song says, 'i get up, i get down'. as for 80's pics - not nearly so many as i should. some are buried in my house under mountains of dog and baby pics, others are in the hands of people in distant lands. i'll beam them up to tribe.net as i come across them, though.

              new halo? aw come on. you and i both know it was always there...maybe you just shined it up a little.

              but back to Vegans. has anyone here ever actually BEEN to Vega? i hear they have blue skin.
      • Re: WHY do vegans smell bad?

        Wed, January 31, 2007 - 10:43 AM
        meat's not damned expensive, CERTAIN meat is, but not all meat is. hell, frozen skinless boneless chicken breasts are CHEAPER than cat food ($2/lb). WTF?
        • Re: WHY do vegans smell bad?

          Wed, January 31, 2007 - 5:19 PM
          Expensive relative to what? If you take out all the subsidies and protectionism, I'm guessing that wheat and corn is a damned sight cheaper than any meat. And, when you look at the environmental impact and to a cost-benefit analysis, it has been pretty clearly shown that cheap meat is actually going to cost a lot environmentally, quality of life-wise, eventually.
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            Re: WHY do vegans smell bad?

            Wed, January 31, 2007 - 7:46 PM
            You mean you interrupted my pork and beef smoothie dinner to tell me THAT?
            Why I oughtta.......
            • Why do doofadils start threads like this?

              Wed, January 31, 2007 - 9:50 PM
              ...have a corn dog?

              *passes Piero the mustard*
              • Re: Why do doofadils start threads like this?

                Thu, February 1, 2007 - 9:18 AM
                I had the best fucking corn dog I've ever had in my life at the Solano County Fair.
                A friend of mine who used to be a carnie said "OH SHIT! You ate a CORN DOG?! Do you know what they DO to those things?"

                I was like.... oh, I don't care. IT WAS GOOD! Get in mah bellie!
                • Re: Why do doofadils start threads like this?

                  Fri, February 2, 2007 - 10:05 PM
                  He was worried about the corndog?! Hilarious! Poor little corndog...

                  I used to live on corndogs for days when I was in college (rice, broccoli, corndogs, and milk). I had a limited food budget so I'd go down to the cheapest grocery store around and by a box of 48 of them suckers. But, I'm telling you, it ain't good for you. Oh, your soul may sore before it sours but, um, ugh. Corndogs are to entrees what fritos are to snacks--best eaten in judicious moderation. In fact, a sensible person would be worried that their chance of getting diabetes is proportional to the number of corndogs they've eaten over their lifetime...not a pleasant thought but probably true.
              • post it, and they will come

                Thu, February 1, 2007 - 10:40 AM
                you have to admit, all it takes is a little bullshit and the shroomheads start popping up everywhichwhere...

                i used to work at a coffee shop in colorado where we put a pad of paper and a pen at the front counter with a similar different irritating conversation starter. we amassed an entire coffee table book's worth of comments. my favorite one was, "what on earth is wrong with you all?"
  • Re: WHY do vegans smell bad?

    Fri, February 2, 2007 - 9:19 PM
    hmmm. I haven't read all the post but my guess is that they don't want artificial deordorants on their body so b.o. just spreads if that is the case. But if it's not the case of b.o. then it's the toxicity of the city pollutants just puffing out of their body automatically instead of pestering in the body to create cancers and other diseases.
    vegans if organic would be more clear of b.o. in my mind.

    Another issue is that bad odor detection is within the nose of the beholder. For example one of my ex's ate garlic, I don't. For me eating garlic is highly non-romantic and a repellent to someones breath. So I would say the smell of garlic is bad odor when some folks eat it and enjoy it. This smell of garlic or onion spreads and last long in the body. One more reason why most vedic yogis don't eat it. Specific foods also increase the output of smell from the body and create mental stimulation like anger, or worry. Drinking coffee is a stimulant that is not recommended by yogis for these properties.

    So it really depends on what the vegan eats and where he/she lives. What do you eat?
  • Re: WHY do vegans smell bad?

    Fri, February 2, 2007 - 9:21 PM
    on the other hand I was told that vegans/vegetarians have a nice smell and taste good ....

    yummy
    • Re: WHY do vegans smell bad?

      Fri, February 2, 2007 - 10:20 PM
      I heard that good smelling vegans run from foul mouthed carnivores. And who could blame them? Not I, that's for sure. But, what, what, my friends, would be an adequate punishment for a foul mouthed carnivores by said vegans? Death by ignorition? Poor little carnivores...all alone, with only themselves to blame, really. What will they do with all that free time on their hands? Complain and whine? No, of course, not. Foul mouthed carnivores have so many much more important things to do with their time than worry about smelly old vegans. Because foul mouthed carnivores are soooooo cool.
      • Re: WHY do vegans smell bad?

        Sun, March 25, 2007 - 2:40 AM
        "I heard that good smelling vegans run from foul mouthed carnivores."

        In general, vegans tend to run full-tilt bozo as far and fast as they can in the awayward direction from all things reality-based, carnivorous or otherwise. That's because they're DERANGED!

        The only thing worse than a goddamn wackadoodle stankblossom human fumerol vegan is a fucking VEGAN APOLOGIST MUFFINFUCKER!


        I swear, you make Baby Jesus cry, and he will KICK YOU IN YOR SMALL BERRIES. You bin WARNED.
  • Re: WHY do vegans smell bad?

    Sun, January 30, 2011 - 2:13 AM
    I fear that thou dost protest too much. You people are sounding pretty defensive towards vegans.Aside from whether vegans smell (this may be true), your rants make me think that you know that eating meat is cruel, and you just are trying to absolve yourselves.
  • Re: WHY do vegans smell bad?

    Sun, January 30, 2011 - 4:15 AM
    Huh? Vegans smell bad? I never heard of this.
    • Re: WHY do vegans smell bad?

      Wed, March 30, 2011 - 4:55 AM
      people who eat meat that dont take a shower over a day smell bad, meat eaters need showerz everyday, vegans dont, the run off from what they eat doesnt stink as much unless maybe u eat some hummous!! haha anyways wahtever you eat u sweat it out, if its unorganic then u get some of that chemical spray comin out of ur pores as well!!!
      • Re: WHY do vegans smell bad?

        Thu, March 31, 2011 - 2:23 PM
        I've noticed my own body odor worsen if I switch to a vegetarian diet containing cheese and other dairy. If I stick to strictly vegan, my body odor is much improved. Dairy products are probably worse than most meats, even, for contributing to bad B.O.
        • Re: WHY do vegans smell bad?

          Tue, August 30, 2011 - 11:20 PM
          I've dated both junk-foodies & vegans and I'm here to tell you that the junkies produce such thick grey smoke its almost unbearable to be around. On the other hand my vegan girl friend has a fresh grassy pasture scent to her, and I love it. Not to mention all the other vagens I've been with smell great. I could say much more, but you get the jest.

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