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I’ve waiting long enough, I’ve had so many things to say about what happened during One Family Gathering; I’ve had a hard time distilling it. I’ve realized however, I’m insulated from having to explain everything by having signed our membership agreement. Hence, everything is a trade secret. That’s a load off my mind.
I will divulge a few details however. The first One Family Gathering was the most amazing weekend of my life thus far. I learned more in a few days than I ever thought I could. Out of nowhere a community appeared, spectacular acts performed brilliant shows to the greatest of audiences. Thank you to everyone who made it possible. There are some clips of performances (including the Fuzz’s) available on my blog blog.myspace.com/budweather and there is also a photo gallery online at picasaweb.google.com/weather...West2008 People can send their stories, photos and video about and of One Family Gathering to weatheroutside@gmail.com
At this point, I must move on to what has happened since I left the event. Immediately upon returning to the outside world I received e-mail from a reporter with Rolling Stone Magazine who seemed interested in our event, the community that it grew from, and specifically about Avvy of the Llama Family. I told him our story and when he asked of my involvement with the Llama Family Reunion I told him I had never been to one but intended to bring support staff to the event this year; little did I know…
Two days later I received a call from Jess Blue, she and I had been hired to produce the 3rd annual Llama Family Reunion. We had 5 weeks, no budget, a skeleton of a lineup, no PA, no lights, no power, nothing really; but Rolling Stone Magazine was going be there; using this event to define what the Pacific Northwest’s barter faire and music scene is.
It’s been a week or so since then and things have progressed a TON. A full-fledged barter fair and music festival is coming to shape before my eyes. We have a great team forming, producers, promoters, musicians, and volunteers are coming together to bring what could be the greatest lineup ever to a barter faire stage.
This event begins on June 20th and a tentative and incomplete lineup of acts includes; UnHailoed, HIGH, Bens Jazz Kit, The Staxx Brothers, Jason Curtis, DAG, Fiddlin' Big Al and Matt Kelly, Joel Blackstone, Candysound, Puget Sound System, Ken Peterson of John Lennon’s Plastic Ono Band with an all star jam, The Panda Conspiracy, Stinky Pete Irving, Man Overboard, Hannah*s Field, High Ceiling, Matt Zeltzer, NIAYH, Bazil Rathbone, and Hippinshlog. If we all pray together maybe Katie Hanson will decide to grace us with her presence to run the stage again.
The site for this event will be the Trailhead Bed & Breakfast in Troutlake, Washington, which is about an hour from Portland. You can check it out online at www.trailheadbnb.com . Sorry everybody there will be no dust-devils or sandstorms at this event, it will be dog free as well.
Presale tickets will are available online and from some of the acts or from me for $35 for the weekend. Vendors pay only $50 and can contact Hallie, onefamilygathering@gmail.com for details. We’ll be accepting a few volunteers as well, they must be experienced and hard working, e-mail me weatheroutside@gmail.com for details. Roving and freestanding non-musical performers and artists should contact me as well to plug in for this event.
For this event Oregon Crew will provide our security. Patrick Baker and Knot Don have agreed to come up from Eugene with 6 people to run security and work with our volunteers. Oregon Crew are the guys who worked road crew for the Grateful Dead for many years and they are cool as hell. You may know these guys from one of the other shows they help run; The Oregon Country Fair.
A few key positions are still available in the eco-village, kiddie village, parking crew, and CALM. We’re also interested in trained medical personnel who would like to participate in our first aid team. Our events are intended to build community and it takes many hands to complete such a great task. It’s my hope that by working together we’ll be able to make this event the barter faire we’ve all been waiting for.
Please let me know what you think.
Much Love,
Bud Weather
Executive Producer – One Family Gathering
Associate Producer – Llama Family Reunion
I’ve waiting long enough, I’ve had so many things to say about what happened during One Family Gathering; I’ve had a hard time distilling it. I’ve realized however, I’m insulated from having to explain everything by having signed our membership agreement. Hence, everything is a trade secret. That’s a load off my mind.
I will divulge a few details however. The first One Family Gathering was the most amazing weekend of my life thus far. I learned more in a few days than I ever thought I could. Out of nowhere a community appeared, spectacular acts performed brilliant shows to the greatest of audiences. Thank you to everyone who made it possible. There are some clips of performances (including the Fuzz’s) available on my blog blog.myspace.com/budweather and there is also a photo gallery online at picasaweb.google.com/weather...West2008 People can send their stories, photos and video about and of One Family Gathering to weatheroutside@gmail.com
At this point, I must move on to what has happened since I left the event. Immediately upon returning to the outside world I received e-mail from a reporter with Rolling Stone Magazine who seemed interested in our event, the community that it grew from, and specifically about Avvy of the Llama Family. I told him our story and when he asked of my involvement with the Llama Family Reunion I told him I had never been to one but intended to bring support staff to the event this year; little did I know…
Two days later I received a call from Jess Blue, she and I had been hired to produce the 3rd annual Llama Family Reunion. We had 5 weeks, no budget, a skeleton of a lineup, no PA, no lights, no power, nothing really; but Rolling Stone Magazine was going be there; using this event to define what the Pacific Northwest’s barter faire and music scene is.
It’s been a week or so since then and things have progressed a TON. A full-fledged barter fair and music festival is coming to shape before my eyes. We have a great team forming, producers, promoters, musicians, and volunteers are coming together to bring what could be the greatest lineup ever to a barter faire stage.
This event begins on June 20th and a tentative and incomplete lineup of acts includes; UnHailoed, HIGH, Bens Jazz Kit, The Staxx Brothers, Jason Curtis, DAG, Fiddlin' Big Al and Matt Kelly, Joel Blackstone, Candysound, Puget Sound System, Ken Peterson of John Lennon’s Plastic Ono Band with an all star jam, The Panda Conspiracy, Stinky Pete Irving, Man Overboard, Hannah*s Field, High Ceiling, Matt Zeltzer, NIAYH, Bazil Rathbone, and Hippinshlog. If we all pray together maybe Katie Hanson will decide to grace us with her presence to run the stage again.
The site for this event will be the Trailhead Bed & Breakfast in Troutlake, Washington, which is about an hour from Portland. You can check it out online at www.trailheadbnb.com . Sorry everybody there will be no dust-devils or sandstorms at this event, it will be dog free as well.
Presale tickets will are available online and from some of the acts or from me for $35 for the weekend. Vendors pay only $50 and can contact Hallie, onefamilygathering@gmail.com for details. We’ll be accepting a few volunteers as well, they must be experienced and hard working, e-mail me weatheroutside@gmail.com for details. Roving and freestanding non-musical performers and artists should contact me as well to plug in for this event.
For this event Oregon Crew will provide our security. Patrick Baker and Knot Don have agreed to come up from Eugene with 6 people to run security and work with our volunteers. Oregon Crew are the guys who worked road crew for the Grateful Dead for many years and they are cool as hell. You may know these guys from one of the other shows they help run; The Oregon Country Fair.
A few key positions are still available in the eco-village, kiddie village, parking crew, and CALM. We’re also interested in trained medical personnel who would like to participate in our first aid team. Our events are intended to build community and it takes many hands to complete such a great task. It’s my hope that by working together we’ll be able to make this event the barter faire we’ve all been waiting for.
Please let me know what you think.
Much Love,
Bud Weather
Executive Producer – One Family Gathering
Associate Producer – Llama Family Reunion
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Tue, May 20, 2008 - 7:32 AMWeather if you are going to represent "the northwest barter faire scene" to Rolling Stone magazine, using the OFG ( sounds a Lot likeOFF) and the 3rd annual Llama Family Reunion as the defining events, then I suggest that you are misrepresenting the barter fair phenomenon and are misleading people to the detriment of all involved. When you say "OFG versus The Man" in your public statements, then want to represent all Barter Fairs to the national media, you are effectively claiming to represent alot of people that you don't, and in such a way as to pit all these events against law enforcement. You may not mind that 32 people got arrested in the roadblocks leading to your event--whatever they went through is their problem, right? Here in Tonasket we do care what happens to the thousands of people who come to our event and we do not wish to use them as legal fodder in a "Free Drugs for Everyone" campaign...
Why don't you just try repesenting yourself, and stop trying to step in front of the work that has been done out here for the last 35 years?
You called in the law against your event by advertising a rave in the woods, they scared off or blocked out all but afew hundred people, and now you have a big dumb national magazine going to take whatever you say and make it the national myth about BF. Michael Pilarski
Skeeter, initiated the Tonasket Barter Fair (OFF) 35 years ago, and has been to nearly all of them since. Buffalo Mazzetti, along with a handful of others helped keep the fair going for many many years---will these people be interviewed by RS? Will RS want to speak to anyone in Tonasket?
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Tue, May 20, 2008 - 11:00 PMStephen,
My brother from another mother, it's time for us to start seeing eye to eye, or I to I (if you feel ras today).
To begin with please allow me to state what I intend, I intend to begin to mend the rift that has been intentionally created in our commUNITY.
To address your first issue, in regards to my capability of being able to choose how our community is represented to the outside world in national print publication; I have to admit I have no control over what events the press chooses to cover. My involvement is as follows I was interviewed about the barter fair "phenomenon" by 2 sizeable print publications, the first "The Stranger" from Seattle featured on of our OFG pre-parties in Volume 17 NO. 25, in an article titled "Shitters in the Desert" by Jeff Kirby, in which readers are misdirected to Oregon in search of Tonasket and also states that (in bold) "younger hippies think older hippies have too many rules" and also "As a response, they have decided to hold their own festival with 70 musical acts and all-night raves". The second time I was interviewed was after OFG as part of a story about Allen Lindt of the Llama Family, which will run in the June issue of Rolling Stone Magazine. There is no guarantee that anything I said would even be used.
I first discovered that Rolling Stone would be on site at LFR a few days later when my partner Jess Blue received an urgent letter for Avvy requesting that we step in and handle the production of the Llama Family Reunion in his absence. My friend, the cameras were on this event before I even stepped on the stage.
Now just for a moment let me touch upon the name of the event I produce. The One Family Gathering, it has been intentionally named in a way to feel familiar to those who share the goal of unity with us. It serves us in many ways; to begin with on the surface, three letters starting with O acronyms are popular with festivals in this neck of the woods both OFF and OCF look similar and were inspirational to the development of our event. On the next level we share pieces in common with the Rainbow Gathering, The Llama Family Reunion, and The Okanogan Family Faire, we share pieces of their names as well. Another level down it shows my intent clearly stated; I intend to unify our culture as one family and to gather them together. Finally, each word is unity; it's almost my mantra at this point.
Now, I'd like to again state it is not my desire to represent all of anything (one is the loneliest of numbers) but what I have been given is the opportunity that IS receiving national press and IMHO is the natural evolution of the barter fair events. When I speak of OFG vs The MAN in my public statements I speak in the name of One Family Gathering because that is whom I do speak for. I created that organization; I think for once I am not overstepping my boundaries. I hope anyone who feels that they are THE MAN be properly offended and then ashamed by that feeling. Maybe they’ll learn to work alongside people rather than against them.
What I have done in this thread is to openly invite the influences that have formed our event to become involved in the development of an event that has captured the public eye in the name of barter fair.
Another point I must address is that these events have been pitted against law enforcement for a long time now. Evidence has come to light that proves that a team of agent provocateurs have been in place in the "Tonasket Barter Fair" and periphery barterfairs since at least 1991. Avvy has a lot of time on his hands to document the story so I won't give you the spoiler here. The intent of these agents is to polarize the community against itself in order to make it an ineffectual mechanism for social change. Even a temporary self sufficient community is a worthy adversary to a corporate government which maintains control of populous through control of information and infrastructure.
I actually mind a very much that MORE THAN 32 people were arrested in an illegal blockade. In fact I am aggressively pursuing legal action against those involved in the operation. I also mind that HUNDREDS were ticketed due to illegal pullovers and unconstitutional search and seizure. Also as the owner of a for profit LLC operating a fully legal event, I mind very much that officers have been quoted saying that we were a "drug-fest" and that we had been "shut-down". There is something called the rico act that in intended to defend businesses against such behavior. We're filing a lawsuit on that level as well.
Next I must approach your "Free Drugs for Everyone" statement. I only say this because I love you and I do respect what you have done for the community but when you make statements without grounds full of anger and with assumption of another's intent you become the tool of those who wish to separate us. Breathe and look for a solution to bring us together rather than jumping to conclusions. No matter what the situation you CAN make yourself part of the solution, Read back to my earlier posts, I have fallen for these tricks before but by creating a festival of my own and experiencing the trial by fire of being the person who has to answer ALL the questions and do ALL the jobs until suitable replacements are found has given me the patience I need to respond to you with love rather than anger. I look up to you, and I respect what you have done to create the environment that led me to where I am today.
I didn’t create the barter fairs, they were a natural evolution, facilitated by a crew of many, some who have passed, many who are still influential today. The barter fairs did create me however… I have totally changed as a person since I first was touched by these events. I can express myself relatively well and I’m well versed in using the computer; that makes my voice a little louder than others when you listen for the words barter fair online. In no way do I intend it to discredit those whose shoulders I stand on. I honestly wish we’d all get together and buy each one of the elders the things they needed to have a louder voice in our online discussion.
There is nothing wrong, or illegal about having a rave in the woods, ours was actually in a circus tent in the high sage desert. Honestly the words barter fair are just as incriminating in the eyes of the law Is that not one of the reasons that was used in discussion about what name to use when the Tonasket Barter fair became OFF? I should also note we also used the words reggae show on the flier too, because we had multiple of those as well. Did you know THE MAN hates reggae? He told me himself… Regardless; we have the right to gather peacefully, rave or not. If we had been doing something wrong they would have been able shut us down. What we were doing was legal and law enforcement agents were the ones breaking the law.
I’m trying hard not to be cocky, but I can’t help myself sometimes. I love you brother it’s just sometimes as they say at Tea Time, it’s right “in your neck” (like tea of course). How do I help you come to a position where you can understand me? Ask Jahson what he witnessed at OFG, maybe that would help…
Rather than speaking with Rolling Stone myself again, I would like you gather a circle of elders to come to the Llama Family Reunion to talk about the history of barter fair to everyone. We can have Family story-time on the eco-village stage and we’ll have people to show us the million little tricks that make a barter fair work. I never asked to be interviewed in the first place, I just said yes when they asked.
I know you feel strongly about these things and I respect your right to state your opinion. I wish however you could have seen the beautiful thing that was and will be again; One Family Gathering. Maybe you could understand what I see for a moment…
If you’re so worried about what Rolling Stone is going to have to judge us by, please come be a part in making the Llama Family Reunion something to be proud of. Even if the elders didn’t build this house, they built the road that led to it and are welcome inside.
I have considered who we are as a culture, and how we could appear to the outside world in my choice to get involved with the production of Llama Family Reunion. I considered those things when I created One Family Gathering as well. Have you been to either event? Maybe you should… -
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Wed, May 28, 2008 - 1:52 PMI haven't read this entire thread yet...but I intend to.....
Aggressively Pesuing Lawsuits against the LEO involved?
This is untrue....I am one of the people who was ticketed...I have a current CRIMINAL defense attorney. As far as he knows, as far as I know..there is nothing being done with this. Everyone who was ticketed has to deal with this in less then two weeks, however they choose. If anyone is interested in details, please let me know.
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Sat, May 31, 2008 - 12:14 PMLast year, the UNITY required to put on the BF was seriously put in doubt, not by new conservatives within the Tonasket area, but primarily by a small but very vocal group of old-timers, who saw the drug scene as getting out of control...I was not and am not of this group but am in favor of addressing their concerns. I supported the vision council which met several times throughout the year to come up with a strategy which would allow us to have a gathering which would mellow out the scene while also respecting the rights of the fairgoers.
People who were caught attempting to openly break drug laws in the middle of the fair were brought by security to the gate and were kicked out of the fair. This is not the first year this has happened---only the most aggressive, and not without warnings on the internet, on handbills before the fair, signs at the gate....
To kick someone out of a gathering represents a failure, either on the part of the event, or on the part of the participant, or both. I have not been in favor of this course of action in the past, and didn't feel good about it last year.
On the other hand, our event, in order to be "permitted" (a process I did not help to facilitate) needs people to legally represent it. As one of the people with my "name on the line", if I am at the drum circle and people are dealing right in front of me, then I am liable. If I confront this behavior the I am the "asshole" of the party who should lighten up, if I don't then I'm implicated and potentially legally responsible for anything which might happen to anyone running around high on anything.....this is the quandry which made many of the old-timers quit working the fair.
Why would any freedom-loving hippie want to play cop at the BF? When we asked for respect, we were asking people not to put us in that position. Asking was not working, so we demanded respect. The action was severe-- and it is this severity which it seems to me is what the OFG was formed to protest against, as was stated in The Stranger.....
As to big dumb national magazines bringing the shit down on the BF---- just as soon as High Times talked us up as a great party, Highway 20 was lined with cops, pulling people over for dust on their windows.....
As to people who aren't from here, starting shit for which they don't have to face consequences, back in the mid-80's Earth First came out here to the heart of loggerland, held a protest at the Forest Service where they threatened to spike trees,got lots of press, then left, then whoa! that fall, for the first time helicopters appeared overhead, and many many people went to jail, lost their homes, and ended up leaving the area. Things here have never been the same. No matter--our radical environmental friends were right, and they got to exercise their right to be right and got to go on down the road feeling righteous and important, which apparently was what mattered...
If RS wants to know about BF and you truly want them to know about the grandmother of them, as I said before, the original instigators of our event are still around and plugged in, not to mention the OFF board which was elected by the people who volunteered and made the fair happen. We all have e-mail addresses and phone numbers.....I appreciate you asking me to organize an elders circle to show up in Llamaland to discuss the history of BF, but I am too booked up to do any more organizing than I do for the fair. People are pretty tired of me calling them and asking them to do stuff, but I will try to make it to the Llama Family REunion my own self, and will gladly talk with anyone regarding our BF. I don't think that the Tonasket fair is the end-all be-all of anything---it is only what I've been committed to working on. I am very interested in helping other gatherings, if I am able time-wise to attend. Or if you find yourseles short of opinions, I seem to have afew to share.
If we sound like a judgemental lot over here, please realize that every year beforehand, we face local resistance to holding the event at all, then afterwards we hear about every last problem which occurred during the event, and most times in tones which suggest that we meant for the problems to happen and "if we don't deal with________, then we won't be able to keep having the fair...." This is every year and generally from people who were only peripherely involved with the event--- the louder the voices of doom, generally the furthest from the effort to fix the problem. We do what we do for free, then take a lot of shit for it, then when we say something in response, we are judgemental. So I guess we're just fucked one way or another.
As to Llamarama, I don't think I've met anyone in the Llama family, and I don't know Avvey or his situation. Whatever y'all know, maybe I'll hear about sometime, but in the meantime I haven't had anything to do with any of it.
Weather, from the change in your tone since theOFG, it sounds like something powerful happened for you. In the lead-up to your event, I had doubts about your approach, but didn't say anything because what-the-fuck-do-i-know? You have discussed "agents provocateur" within the OFF----I have to agree with Sadie, by your own definition why should we here in Tonasket not suspect you? Please review your definitions and try to see things from over here.
I want to believe that you have all of our interests in mind in your doings. I don't know you well enough to know if this is true. It seems to me that the way you have chosen to portray our situation on the internet, as though we don't want change and/or youth is false and divisive.
And as hard as we have to work to rally our own community to make the event happen, it hurts. You don't have to believe any of what I'm saying, but I am taking the time to say something.
Speaking of which, our fucking website, okanogafamilyfaire.net, is still not up yet, and this is due to our primitivty and work schedules. I hear that it will be up next week......
I walked around, all around the fair at 3-4 am both Fri and Sat nights this last year, and I witnessed lots and lots and lots of happy people who were showing each other respect and good humor....there were times I felt so good about what was happening I had to yell "BARTER FAIR!!!!"
If you were one of those people, or even if you were already in bed by then, please hear this: we want you to come to the fair--we are putting the fair on for you and it wouldn't be the same if you didn't show up. This is my bottom line. -
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Tue, June 3, 2008 - 6:51 PMmuch respect to you stephen.
I understand where you are coming from and I too agree with demanding people to "show respect"
It's a sad day when we have to teach those around us how to behave!
I don't agree with kicking people out however I understand. I do believe in halting their activity and attempting to educate as well as redirect their activities. As someone who has to "sign their name on the line", I definately want to make sure everything is kosher and understand where you stand on that!
I noticed that you stated something about what "the stranger" wrote. Can I remind you that you should never believe everything you see or hear. Just because they said it doesn't make it true.
I believe that we OFG need to respect OFF as well as other BF. However I would also ask they respect what we are doing. If you do not understand what were about... allow me to invite you. I will personally pay your way in as to educate our peers. We need to uplift each other and I hope this year I will be able to attend OFF. And while I don't expect everyone to be excited I am there, I do hope that I can meet more of the family!
I applaude you and OFF and Sadie and Fish and Everyone that is Tonasket. I celebrate you. I celebrate our differences. But remember divided we fall , TOGETHER WE MAKE A DIFFERENCE!
One Family One Love
Jess
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Wed, June 4, 2008 - 5:27 PMon the stranger article, stating (in Bold), that "the old hippies of Tonasket have too many rules--as a response the younger hippies are starting their own thing..."
are you gonna say that that wasn't what you said? jeff kirby who doesn't even know where we are just happened to make that up?
announcing in an article titled "shitters in the desert" that a bunch of younger hippies were gonna have 'all-night raves' in a rural part of oregon isn't telling the cops where to look for drugs?
OFG in response to OFF? OFG is a for profit event promotion company, run by you, started this year in protest against the actions of OFF.
OFF is a non-profit charitable organization which has a democratic decision-making structure, with a large voting membership and is carrying on an event which began in 1973. You say that O is pretty popular in acronyms for events in this neck of the woods--which neck of the woods? Oregon? Okanogan? which neck of the woods are you in? OFG you say is named to 'feel familiar to those who share our goal of unity'---well, why do you think people need that?
the bf changed its name to OFF when we became a non-prof-- not because anything of drugs/cops, but because we weren't sure of the legal/tax status of a "barter" organization. before that the bf was called OHUG (Okanogan Highlands United Gatherings).
you say IHMO is the natural evolution of the bf---what is an IHMO?
as to "my" "free drugs for everyone" statement, well what did you say, standing in the hall outside our annual membership meeting last year, within earshot of a good handful of people?
and lastly, at 46 yrs old, i am not old enough to be considered "an elder" and do not wish to be placed in any category which might divide me from any other. you may have been referring to me as an elder out of respect, and for that thanks, but it ain't me.
just trying to clarify where we're at here.....
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Thu, June 5, 2008 - 7:33 AMIt's all good!!!
I know where you stand!!!
One Family One Love
Jess
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Tue, May 20, 2008 - 11:16 PMFirst of all... Allow me to introduce myself. My name is Jess.
How sad it is that we can not lift each other up and promote each other. Would it matter if I told you Rolling Stone contacted us? I can assure you that both Weather and I have had many conversations with each other and our guests who were arrested, ticketed or harrassed while on the way to our event. I am moderately offended at the suggestion that we would leave our guests hanging out to dry. The majority of your comments strike me as significantly elitist, or at the least judgemental. You are not asking questions, you are making accusations. Without bothering to get all the pertinent information no less. Not the best way to foster a communication and respect amongst each other.
I can and do appreciate the ground work that has been laid. I can also appreciate the dreamer and the dream. How can being interviewed by a "big dumb national magazine" be "potentially detrimental to the lives and efforts of a lot of people"? That is a contradiction of terms. I Imagine if that "big dumb national magazine" asked to interview you, you would have a different opinion of them.
Despite your less then considerate tone, I do believe I understand what you are trying to convey. We are not seeking to grab the limelight or represent anyone other than ourselves, nor did we do so to the "big dumb national magazine" in question. We are not calling ourselves the Tonasket Barter Fair. We are not claiming to be the leadership of anything other than One Family Gathering. In the effort to be supportive, we are lending our assistance to the Llama Family Gathering at their request. After all, aren't we supposed to support each other? Isn't that part of the dream? Is it ok that we do something different than what OFF has established? How does that take away from them?
Ultimately, this is all a moot point, as the article in question -has not even been published at this time-. I would hope that when it does make it's distribution in the beginning of June, all interested parties would take the time to read it, and if they have any questions or concerns at that juncture, we would be happy to reasonably discuss pros and cons with them. We are certainly happy to learn from our mistakes and/or build on our successes, and input from others is a significant part of that process.
But there's no reason we can't do so respectfully amongst one another.
One Family One Love,
Jess Blue
Associate Producer One Family Gathering
Executive Producer Llama Family Reunion
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Sun, June 1, 2008 - 7:34 AMThis comment makes no sense to me. I am not understanding your point Tim! Wanting to steal the limelight refers to Rollling Stone what are you refering to? -
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Tue, June 10, 2008 - 1:27 PMThe limelight period...its all about attention. Its like....'Look what I can do!' At the cost of everyone elses reputation and wallets. -
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Tue, June 10, 2008 - 4:47 PMYou spread hate. I have no need for hate. Not from my brother. I will pray for you brother.
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Wed, May 21, 2008 - 9:08 PM"Vendors pay only $50 and can contact Hallie, "
ROFLMAO,
Love you guys, (somebody has to)
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Wed, May 21, 2008 - 9:14 PMThanks for loving us!
And we love you! ;)
Coffee works for us!
(and you know we did not set that price. It was set before we were on board!)
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Wed, May 21, 2008 - 11:41 PMAwesome, drop her a line. I look forward to having you with us again!
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Thu, May 22, 2008 - 8:28 AM"Rolling Stone Magazine was going be there; using this event to define what the Pacific Northwest’s barter faire and music scene is."
This one phrase is the only thing I object to in this posting. Okanogan Family Faire is the Grandaddy of all Barter Faires. It is the only Barter Faire I choose to go to because, as the recent name change implies, it is a family trading faire and a reunion, not a rave, a music event, or a drug-fest. In recent years it has taken on some elements of music festivals and I am glad the current organizers are attempting to bring it back to its roots. Not that there arn't other wonderful Barter Faires but I havn't been to many of them yet and am not attracted to the bigger festivals claiming the name "barter fair". I have been to many music festivals but I prefer the more mature, family oriented, relatively safe environment of OFF. For most of the past 20 years, the Okanogan Highlands Barter Faire has been the epitomy of the term and only recently has it come to mean something else to a new set of people. Call it what you will, have a good time and take care of each other but please don't claim to represent what thousands of us have come to know as The Barter Faire. -
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Thu, May 22, 2008 - 12:53 PMYou will be glad to know that Rolling Stone interviewed OFF last fall. BEFORE interviewing us.
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Thu, May 22, 2008 - 12:57 PMI would like to also state that while OFF is definately the grand daddy of barter faires in the Pacific Northwest, There are OTHER barter faires in the U.S.A. I would also like to point out that while you use bartering at your faires.. You certainly did not invent it. I appreciate what your forefathers and you have built. We never stated we were your organization or that we wanted to be like your organization. We stated we liked aspects of what your doing so we added them to aspects of what we are doing!
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery!
One Family One Love
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Thu, May 22, 2008 - 5:02 PMGlad to hear that the Llama fair is in good hands - was worried about what might become of it. It's a beautiful location, I went the first year and had a good time - it was small but I like faires that way. I don't think we'll make it that far north this year (gas prices suck, and Sierra Nevada Music Fest is much closer to home that weekend) but have fun and enjoy Mt. Adams and all the daisies! :) -
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Fri, May 23, 2008 - 7:58 AMSierra Nevada Music Festival is actually closer to me too! I was going to attend that one before I agreed to help the Llama's. Have fun! I will be thinking about how close that one is while I'm driving 9 hours!
One Family One Love
Jess
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Fri, May 23, 2008 - 8:41 AMI do appreciate the flattery, though I can't claim to have done much more than participate in fairs others have labored to create. I understand where Stephen is coming from as one of the "Old-timers" at this point. They are trying to protect something that has become sacred to a lot of us and keep it true to its original spirit. When you google Barter Fair you will find it challenging to find a hit that doesn't reference the Tonasket Fair. Unfortunately, we've almost lost the name Barter Faire which is why it is now called OFF. I'm not saying that's you or your friend's fault but I'm just a bit defensive about the Barter Faire Scene being defined by something other than OFF. I can let it go. I don't begrudge you your fun at all. Its a family tiff and as often happens in a tribe, the young ones branch off to start new tribes. We are still family and if there's a rift it will be healed by time.
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Fri, May 23, 2008 - 9:53 PMWhat is so incredible about the human species is that we have this outstanding ability to adapt! As times change we seek the comforts of our family and guidence of our peers. I will assure you I am the squarest of the square and even I have no desire to destroy the barter faire system that others have labored in love to create. Unfortunately its hard to understand sometimes between generations the need for change. If you never evolved you would eventually cease to exist thus negating any hard work any one had dedicated to any cause. Change is inevitable, however we should all be apart of it!
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Sat, May 24, 2008 - 10:42 AMOk, People,
Give me a break.
Weather your little drug fest got busted because you promoted it as a drug fest. The "One Family Gathering" is just a name you attached to it.
You sat at the Annual membership meeting in Tonasket and said that we should have a specific place for people to "party" and to keep the kids and families out of that part of the faire. O-- please.
I think you are getting off on all the attention from setting this stuff up.
Who fu---g cares if there are under-covers at the faires--If you are not doing anything out of the ordinary than you don't have anything to worry about. Why do you think the Tonasket faire had such issues with the partiers last year.. Its because we don't want our faire to turn out like yours. We don't want the same problem you had. We have to live in this community all the other months of the year. You want to come--party-- and then get to leave. O-please.
Also, there were only two contacts with law enforcement at the Tonasket faire. and only one arrest---due to counterfeiting. Now I am pretty sure that Tonasket had quite a few more people than your "one family gathering".
You facilitated an environment that encouraged law enforcement to bust your fairegoers.
So what was the difference between your faire and the Tonasket faire---Maybe--age, reputation, organization, representation, among other things.
I have lots of other things going on right now---and don't have time to rant on line very much--
But I will----Always say it like I see it.
Peace to you Weather.
Family Faire Friend
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Sat, May 24, 2008 - 3:40 PMNow I am sure I don't know you but let me assure you one thing... I don't PARTY. I have degrees in Theatre Production , Music, and Public Relations. Your statement was awful and mean spirited. As Public Relations Director for One Family Gathering I am not sure what I did to promote it as a "drug fest."
You know there's a scripture in the Bible that state's let us forgive the trespasses of our youth. Did it ever occure to you that Weather might have had a life altering situation happen in which he changed the path he was on and hired a production team? Yes I am sure your faire had more people then our s being that its ... 30 something years old. What was the attendance first year?
Sure there are different representations of our two organizations . I have never attended the Tonasket Barter Faire. And from what I gather on this board its nothing but alot of Judgemental hippies affraid of change who are willing to strike down a brother who goes out on his own. Where can I buy tickets for that!!! WOW how much fun is that ... OR am I only seeing one side of the story and I should experience it for myself to understand what it is truely about. WOW I think the later statement is the more responsible way to handle it. I believe you also should see things with your own eyes before you judge them. You were not at our gathering however.... You are welcome to attend and witness what it is we are doing. If you still feel it's a drug fest then I will gladly take your advice at what I can change!
I agree with the who f----G care about undercovers being at the faires. I'm not doing anything wrong I'm not worried .... HOWEVER I have 400+ patrons who were obnoxiously ticketed for things such as a dirty license plate while going down a dirt road, or swerving over the middle line to give room because police had someone pulled over on the right and getting a ticket for crossing the center line. OR my personal favorite... the young lady who slowed down because of police activity on the shoulder of the road who recieved a ticket for impeding the flow of traffic. Tell me these people deserved these fines?
I appreciate that you will infact tell it like you see it... But don't you think you should have a less narrow vision of the situation before you open your mouth?
Not trying to upset you my sister just calling it as I see it.
One Family One Love
Jess Blue
Executive Producer Llama Family Reunion
Associate Producer One Family Gathering
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Sat, May 24, 2008 - 8:19 PMHi Jess,
I have been communicating with weather for over a year about what HE thinks should change about the tonasket faire, and his feelings about peoples right to experiment and party. He didn't get what he wanted through Tonasket, so he chose to start his own festival. Fine, I have watched all year, the advertisements, read his my space blogs, and read all the pre "ofg" festival issues that were creeping up regarding the cops.
I tried to respectfully hold off on all judgment regarding his fest, and just see what happened. Well, I kind of figured the events that may happen, did happen. I am just baffled that this is the way he wants to do battle with "the man"
He told me quote "I want to help people through their party" He also told me face to face that he would probably be the one to help my children through their party when they get old enough. I don't think so. This is when I realised there was no way I was going to agree with him in any manner regarding what our mission of representing our home and The Okanogan Family faire.
Which is, to keep our faire alive, respected, AND family oriented, so my children can bring my grandchildren someday to the same faire I attended since I was 5
Jess, I have herd your name reciently through Arelem. She asked if we could coordinate the 1st aid for the Llama reunion, which we attended last year. Unfortunately we are extremely busy this year with our new business, and commercial garden. We wish you the best. Maybe our schedule will change, but I doubt it.
Also, I wrote this statement not to you, jess, but to weather. He seems to be the driving force (face) of the One Family Gathering.
Personally I am sick of the crap. The tonasket faire, delt with a class action lawsuit, regarding the cops busting people for a dirty windshield, or whatever else they could get you for, years ago.
This is not a new thing. Its your issue. You can get the class action lawsuit going if you want. It may work.
I have friends in prison for life over non-violent crime. It is not fair, but it happens.
I do not want the tonasket faire to be lumped in with these other festivals, it is its own entity after 35 years.
For all Weathers fancy talk and discussion of bringing everybody together, he seems to double talk himself alot if it is not in HIs vision. Are you reading this weather?
I am pretty done with all of it. I am tierd of pussy footing around weathers words.
I hope, as it seems you may be fairly new to the Barterfaire relm, you will learn the details more and more. and also learn the history of the people behind these faires.
Also, this year at tonasket will be no different. This event is a FAMILY event, with all children, mamas, elderly, grandmas, grandpaws, youth, young adults, old timers, and 1st timers. If they can respect the requests of the family faire, which are pretty obvious and easy to follow for most people. The faire is not a free for all. Which some people think that should be ok. Or places for "in the street" mind expansion, or dropping their shit on the ground for a child to find and think is candy.
Hubby was in charge of 1st aid last year. We had more problems with trippers that couldn't handle the 4 different things of crap they put in their system, than the cops. Weather was loving it as he could be the savior of those lost souls out in the 5 degree weather. My mission is for "calm" not to be soooo necessary at our event.
What ever you say,,, I know weather has his own reasons for promoting his "one family gathering"
Think of me as mean spirited if you want. But it is the truth.
Jess, I hope that you do come to the tonasked faire. I would love to meet you. I am not as mean in person as I sound online. Passion can be misconstrued sometimes. I am also quite irritated at all the attention weather has been bringing down on thefaires. He is quite a big mouth. Aren't you weather?
Peace
Family faire friends
Fish & Sadie
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Sun, May 25, 2008 - 9:41 AMI appreciate your passion! I understand what you think Weather might be up to. And yes I realize he has been the face (at least to the barter faire family) of OFG.
""I have friends in prison for life over non-violent crime. It is not fair, but it happens. ""
We can not just become compliant with everything because it happens...
We can not sit back and watch the world change and do nothing... if we do this, We lose our right to complain about it.
""AND family oriented""
I believe in family oriented events. So do all the producers of OFG. Unfortunately.... that means taking the good and the bad. As Producers we have to weed out or redirect those who do not understand what it's all about. I am sure you have had to deal with this.
"I want to help people through their party"
I understand the core of this statement. Some people go to Faires to look for family and acceptance. Some of those same people also use drugs to look for acceptance and to run away from reality. When we embrace someone and accept someone regardless of what ever STUPID actions they are taking and we show them unconditional but tough love... we help them through their party. When people hold each other accountable change happens... when we push it away because we don't like it... we adopt the NOT in my backyard mentality.
""Also, I wrote this statement not to you, jess, but to weather.""
I appreciate where you are coming from but let me tell you where i come from. You can not use the word "Family" and then not be one. Weather is my brother, no matter how much he may be the red headed step child. When you attack, insult, or even confront my family I stand united. We are family. Yes you did not address that to me however you did address that to mine.
''"I hope, as it seems you may be fairly new to the Barterfaire relm, you will learn the details more and more. and also learn the history of the people behind these faires.""
While I may be new to the barter faire realm... I am not new to the family. I was raised doing Renaissance Festival circuit. Much bartering and family happens there. I understand people have a past. But I believe, if you love someone... you love them UNCONDITIONALLY! You don't have to like their actions but you also don't air their dirty laundry to throw in their face. Not professional and not very loving. We are supposed to lift each other up... not tear each other down.
""Or places for "in the street" mind expansion, or dropping their shit on the ground for a child to find and think is candy. ""
I agree with you. HOWEVER... this can happen in your local shopping mall. Drugs are EVERYWHERE. Including Tonasket. I heard a hand sanitizer story... and not from weather.
""My mission is for "calm" not to be soooo necessary at our event. ""
Sounds great!!! Realistic probably not. Until we heal the world a need to escape reality will always be enticing~
""I am also quite irritated at all the attention weather has been bringing down on the faires.""
Weather brought down all the attention? wow!! I will write Avvy a letter and tell him his incarceration is in vein and Weather's fault. Sorry Avvy your in jail because Weather needed publicity! Just because Weather chooses not to turn a blind eye to everything doesn't mean he is responsible for all the attention. Weather is pointing out what is in our backyard. If we pretend the police are not gunning for us... does not make it true or make them go away. 1991 is the year the police first started investigating Barter faires. Weather was 13 that year, are you telling me he made this situation happen as a child? Just cause you yell fire doesn't mean you started it. And if you ignore something it very rarely goes away.
""his "one family gathering""
It was Weather's dream and as part of that dream it belongs to everyone in Ofg. It's OUR One family gathering. It could be yours too if you wanted to be a part in it. Everyone who put effort into it.... it's their's. OUR FAMILY. Everyone. I understand that you think Weather has alterior motives. I know the members of OUR family and I know their hearts. We want to come together and love one another. Celebrate our differences and HELP each other through this thing called life. We can not help people by throwing them away.
Sadie I hope someday we can meet face to face and I can embrace you with a hug! You feel passionate about tonasket and thats BEAUTIFUL! I understand it from a parental point of view. It's your child your extention. You want to protect it from everything you can imagine. I feel the same way. About OFG. About Weather. About my Family. Not everyone is going to agree with you and not everyone is going to agree with me, However we can still love one another and embrace each other and our endeavors.
If you want something to change... you have to make the change.
Weather is making change. I would also reckon its a spiritual and growing experience for him as he is now responsible for a whole lotta lives and understands the gravity of that. I understand my brother's past. I embrace my brother's future! We all really are one family. when all the eyes are on you, it's time to make it happen or let everyone watch you fail.
ONE FAMILY ONE LOVE!
Jess
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Wed, May 28, 2008 - 5:32 PMI don't have your number tim!
email me at getonthestagetoday@yahoo.com
would love to chat with you sir!
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Sun, May 25, 2008 - 2:55 PMWell... where do I begin...
I’ve had to think about this posting of yours for a moment before I approached it. I’ll tread lightly here and explain why after a couple small retorts I cannot help but make.
Let's start with your comment about my "little drug fest" as you call it. Beside the fact that I’m offended by that unfounded accusation I would like to point out that as far as I am aware there were no drug incidents of any kind at my event. Harmony Event Medicine was there and could easily verify that.
Second I would like to point out that my event DID NOT get “busted” as you would like to proclaim. There was however an illegal police blockade on the highway outside my event.
Next, I would like to hear exactly how I promoted it as a “drug fest” as I was not aware that I was doing so. Once again this seems to be an accusation without grounds.
I feel the OFF had an aggressive security stance last year as the culmination of the gradual influx of “conservative” Tonasket city dwellers into positions of influence in the event accompanied by the influence of agent provocateurs and the paranoia induced by the targeting and persecution of Allen Lindt, the producer of the Llama Family Reunion.
I’m not sure what you’re afraid OFF will become if you call OFG it’s antithesis. Of course you really have no grounds to base your decision making process on as you have no firsthand knowledge of what actually occurred at the event.
All problems of any severe nature occurred outside the event. Charges were dropped on all but six of the arrestees, and there was only one seizure. Of course none of these people came from my event, they may have been on their way to it, but the world will never really know.
If you are afraid that OFF will be targeted without cause by a corrupt corporate government, you’re already too late. Agent provocateurs are in your midst, and have been since 1991. Their plan, divide and conquer. Do not try to single anyone out as an agent; these people obviously just need more of our attention in order to help them understand what community is all about; as does anyone on the periphery who draws questions about themselves.
You once again point out that I do not currently live near Tonasket. Please allow me to point out I lived near Tonasket for over 4 years, I am a member of Sun Meadow Farm, I worked with Mikkel at the Solar Shop for at least 2 years, next time you’re at the counter in the Food Coop look up, I helped install that light, go out front and look up, I erected the scaffolding for that painting to happen. I just decided I couldn’t just sit up there and getting old while the outside world (ever worsening) creeps in. I’ve been to the m
Your next comment; “The ‘One Family Gathering’ is just a name you attached to it.” If you cannot believe my explanation of my reasoning, I cannot convince you. We all must decide for ourselves what we believe, do not let the truth stop you from doing so, I speak from my heart, which is all I can do.
At the membership meeting for OFF last fall I stated my opinion that we should designate areas for groups with different intent to be able to camp with each other, it may have been something like “Party all night camping” and “Family (with children) Camping”. I feel similar to that now. To build a community that does not turn on itself we must find a way that any factions that exist can be unified. A simple solution in my eyes, is to create an area where it is acceptable to scream “barter fair” at the top of your lungs at 3am (no matter how much we ALL agree it’s annoying) and a place where it isn’t. We don’t need to “keep the kids and families out,” but we DO need to accommodate those who participate in our community without prejudice.
Also, what is wrong with a party? Or what is the problem with accompanying your child when in a crowd of 10,000 people?
Next you make an assumption about me “getting off on all the attention from setting this stuff up.” Honestly hon’ what “got me off” was being relieved from gate Sunday afternoon of OFG and walking into the main stage dome to hear Baby Gramps sing and witnessing what had been a bunch of strangers having been turned into a community. That was the highest I’d ever been, I wasn’t on any drugs. The attention from two or three annoyed members of OFF however, doesn’t float my boat. Maybe if we find some way to agree, that might do it for me…
On the next issue; under-covers I have a strong opposition to them being at our events as they allow for outsiders to develop a bias against our community based on the sample that they specifically seek out. That is not what I intend to address by my statement though. I am speaking of agent provocateurs.
An agent provocateur is a person assigned to provoke unrest, violence, debate or argument by or within a group while acting as a member of the group but covertly representing the interests of another. In general, agent provocateurs seek to secretly disrupt a group's activities from within the group.
Agents provocateurs are employed to disrupt or discredit a group by performing acts for which the group will be falsely accused, by leading the group into activities that they would not otherwise pursue or by creating discord between group members. Provocateurs may encourage illegal acts, recommend belligerent tactics a group might otherwise reject, spread false rumors intended to provoke hasty action by a group, spread malicious rumors within a group about a group member or employ other tactics intended to provoke improper action by a group or to divert a group from its chosen purpose. An agent provocateur might attempt to implicate as an accomplice an innocent target who the agent unwittingly involves in a crime or criminal conspiracy.
Agent provocateurs sometimes try to disrupt a group by creating discord between group members. They may argue for unity, while themselves promoting dividedness. They may argue against factionalism, while consistently advancing the positions or actions of one faction in the group. Disruptive group members might not be agents provocateur if they do not represent an outside interest; the term "agent" usually implies representation of or employment by another interest.
In this case the stated intent of those who have been embedded is to “create tension between two or more target groups.”
The phrase create tension between two or more target groups comes from a 1993 book by Paul H. Nitze: Tension Between Opposites: Reflections on the Practices and Theory of Politics. Alleged to be connected with the Council on Foreign Relations, the Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS) at Johns Hopkins University is said to be a spy school.[1]
Creating tension between two or more target groups, perhaps originally a technique more commonly employed for political and military purposes, is often employed as a propaganda tactic. Typical forms this tactic takes include:
* Creating a dummy or shell group that has no purpose except to advocate a view bystanders will see as compatible with that of another target group and which is also opposed to the view of the manipulating group; Then legitimate groups can be drawn into turf wars, be discredited by visible engagement in unappealing confrontations with the new rival, and ultimately discredit their "shared" view - which is of course the opposite of the manipulator's view.
* Finding legitimate but incompetent or purist advocates of a view roughly compatible with that of another target group, and funding the incompetents or purists or extremists to become the dominant voice on the issue. Not dealing with the issue is thus easy to excuse, as the dominant view is more extreme than the public's own.
* Dealing directly with moderates and requiring concessions that will be found unacceptable by purists, thus co-opting the middle and alienating purists. If purists can be simultaneously drawn into dummy, shell, incompetent or extreme groups, preferably many of these, then an entire movement can be splintered.
If you cannot see this happening in our community, look at this forum. The intent is to divide and conquer. Divide and conquer refers to the common strategy of seeking to cultivate neutrality or support from those considered 'moderates' as a way of undermining and marginalizing those deemed the 'radicals'. As far as I can tell I must be deemed ‘radical’.
At OFG itself, there were not any interventions from law enforcement. I’ll admit it the event was ten times it’s size (like OFF) we may have had such occurrences (like OFF did), but we did not. ALL police activity resulting in citation or arrest occurred on the highway or county road BEFORE entering the event. For the record we have 798 members that attended One Family Gathering near Christmas Valley.
Please tell me how I “facilitated an environment that encouraged law enforcement to bust (my) fairegoers.” We approached the Sheriff of Lake County repeatedly with requests for information and cooperation with developing a good working relationship but his responses were of total disinterest. All I can guess is that it seemed more profitable to him to develop animosity for a short term payoff rather than to support an event that has the potential to significantly improve the economics of the local community.
I agree with you on one of your points, the event that became OFF is 35 years older, it has a reputation where as we are developing one. OFG is owned by a for profit limited liability corporation managed by an executive producer who oversees a handful of associate producers who in turn coordinate a team of coordinators who manage over 130 volunteers. The executive producer appoints all positions. OFF is a 501c3 nonprofit corporation whose board is elected by a membership body who are required work a certain number of to be given a vote. The board is elected by said membership (lots of details left out here) and the board is responsible for appointing coordinators capable of managing the volunteers and facilitating the event. The choice to be different here is intentional. You wouldn’t drive a car by democracy would you? I look at OFG as a vehicle to bring our community together. I know where we’re going, don’t worry. We’re going to a place where we can coexist.
OFG is first and foremost a UNITY gathering (look at the website, see for yourself), it features a barter fair, a music festival, and a rave. We gather what each faction enjoys in one place in order to be able to enjoy it together and to find what we have in common.
How do you mean representation? Do you mean as in with OFG; Jess and I represent the group where as with OFF the board of directors does? Or do you mean it in such a way as; OFG publishes a website, fliers, posters, announcements, e-mail groups, and message boards which contain official information about our activities and intent of our event; as opposed to OFF which publishes very little?
Don’t forget we also have a music festival as well with organized activities 24 hours a day to encourage people to stay involved with the event. Idle hands… We keep them busy.
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Mon, May 26, 2008 - 5:36 PMSorry Bud,
I appreciate your reply and can understand your side of the matter, but
i'm still not convinced, or moved by your intense statements regarding your stance. At the annual membership meeting we both agreed face to face, that we agree to disagree. There was nothing you could say to convince me or anybody else(that I know of) that OFF should "support " peoples experimentation practices. You wanted OFF embrace "the Party" and OFF wants to embrase having a mellow faire that focuses on seeing friends, trade, barter, and good fire side music. You cannot pettle back on this and say you did not embrace this stance. You were very verbal about it. Also, you have not discussed this issue at all in your reply to me.
Like I said before, many years ago, there was also issues with road blocks at Tonasket, and many of the other faires in Stevens County, of which I have had to also personally deal with getting through my self. This has happened throughout history, we are lucky enough in this country to even argue the matter without being thrown in prison for life. What makes the road blocks you dealt with any different than what folks had to deal with here.
Also, I apologize for calling your event a drug fest, probably inappropriate, but you can say a lot without saying anything. Plenty of people can read between the lines regarding your event. You made your stance very clear to me a while ago, and It hasn't gone away.
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"I feel the OFF had an aggressive security stance last year as the culmination of the gradual influx of “conservative” Tonasket city dwellers into positions of influence in the event accompanied by the influence of agent provocateurs and the paranoia induced by the targeting and persecution of Allen Lindt, the producer of the Llama Family Reunion"
Sorry man but you are totally wrong. There was no "influx of conservative Tonasket city dwellers" There all the same tonasket dwellers that have been living in this country for many years. The "the influx of city dwellers" or shall I say "party goers" that have found the tonasket are the ones who influenced tonasket to regain some semblance of respect for the faire.
I am very tired of people associating Allens issues, with the barter faire changes, its false. The time line is just a little off.
Also, I attended last years Llama fest, it was small but pretty nice. I even have pictures on my profile from there. But I did see plenty of overt crap that would probably raise an eyebrow to any law enforcement. Some of the "producers" seemed completely content to let people know what they were about. Who was the guy in the robe???? Do you still want to lump the Llama issues with Tonasket.
Agent provocateurs uh, how do I know that you are not one of those, as you seem to say you want to unite, but wanted to divide Tonasket through the issue of drug use. I herd from your mouth at the 07 faire that you wanted to vote everybody out, and take over the board so you could institute the changes you felt necessary. You may not know but I herd you as you were telling this to your friend, while on shift for calm. That does not sound like you wanted to unify anything.
Also, there was no paranoia induced by Alen from tonasket. Discussions started IMMEDIATLY after the 2006 faire. Everybody involved in the event knew if we did not get some semblance of respect for our faire we would loose it. Didnt Allen get arrested the next year sometime in June or July or something? Lets get our dates correct. Please don't make assumptions, and displace responsibility.
Associating Allen with any decisions OFF made is absolutely false and completely untrue.
The paranoia seems to be induced by the people that were associated with Allen. Although, I do believe he has been falsely imprisoned.
No one even knew who the Llama family was up here in tonasket until he got busted.
Why do you think we needed so many security last year,,,,,, I have said this about 10 times in other discussions. People were out of control.
There was no respect for the faire grounds, folks who had attended for many years were talking that they didn't want to go anymore cause it seemed taken over by what? tha party--that you were supporting at the annual membership meeting.
Also OFF has been targeted by corrupt government every since is was created 35 years ago. Ya, talk about undercovers, and agents like this is all new stuff. The Okanogan Barter Faire has spent many years, dealing with this crap, and like I always say, If you don't have anything to worry about, than you don't have anything to worry about. And this is what most olders have to say about this also.
I also may not have first hand knowledge of your event but I do have second hand knowledge from many folks who attended.
So how are you going to control when and where a person yells barter faire? I yell it form my camp when I feel like it. Separating people into different camps is not what I call unifying them.
And, yes you have lived up here in tonasket. Wasn't it during the summer time Do you think you have a shining reputation?
In closing Bud, I am waiting to see what you plan to say and do at this years faire. Are you going to support the OFF stance that this is a "family event" or are you going to argue your point about unifying groups by separating them into categories, and bringing in the all nite rave party. Idle hands can learn how to play an instrument, or do some volunteer work, kick back and relax, or bring trade and barter items.
All The Tonasket Barter Faire wants is to please respect our home, and follow our guide lines.
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Re: One Family Gathering and Llama Family Reunion - You've gotta hear this...
Tue, June 3, 2008 - 12:08 PMSimply by saying this event was going to be a "rave" implies this is a drug party. Here is how Websters defines a "rave":
rave 1 |rāv|
noun
1 informal an extremely enthusiastic recommendation or appraisal of someone or something : the film has won raves from American reviewers | [as adj. ] their recent tour received rave reviews.
2 informal a lively party or gathering involving dancing and drinking : their annual fancy-dress rave.
• a party or event attended by large numbers of young people, involving drug use and dancing to fast, electronic music.
• electronic dance music of the kind played at such events.
Many people had the feeling OFG was doomed from the start because of this. I made my feelings known in the other OFG thread.
I have to agree with Family on this one for the most part.
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Tue, June 3, 2008 - 7:05 PMI am saddened by this post. Because EVERYTHING in the dictionary is true. That statement is an opinion not a definition. If not a stereo-type. Now I know everyone knows that hippies don't have jobs and they are dirty freeloaders... RIGHT? Of course not... because someone says it does not make it true and just because some might fall into that description doesn't mean the majority of them do.
Not all raves are drug fests. This I find hilarious as I have attended CHRISTIAN church sponsored parties called RAVES. And I assure you however ridiculous it sounds.... the only thing they were high on was God. Sancified dance music..... look it up.
www.christianraves.com
www.heavenlyraves.com
edifyingspectacle.org/archives/gullibility/.../christian_raves.php
www.landoverbaptist.org/news0200/rave.html
Surely you are educated enough not to believe everything you read even if it comes from the dictionary. After all that's like saying everything the government says to you is true. Come on Brother.... Think for yourself.
One Family One Love
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Re: One Family Gathering and Llama Family Reunion - You've gotta hear this...
Sat, June 28, 2008 - 1:02 PMweather, i dont know if you are aware of me, i dont know if this event has transpired yet.
but personally i think you are a fucking idiot. have you seen the repercussions of bringing huge amounts of silicates places? i hope you never have to...
do not bring rolling fucking stone around, man. i was mad when you were trying to SELL meltdown tickets on rainbow tribe, but if you bring them out here, it would be a TERRIBLE thing. you might as well start writing bout mendo for high times. -
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Re: One Family Gathering and Llama Family Reunion - You've gotta hear this...
Mon, June 30, 2008 - 8:36 AMDrew....
Rollingstone... went to Tonasket FIRST.
Weather did not bring them.
I hope you re read this post and figure that out.
One Family One Love
jess
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