I was just made aware of this article from the bonner daily bee:
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Investigation ends in arrests
Posted: Wednesday, Aug 01, 2007 - 09:17:24 am PDT
By GWEN ALBERS
Staff writer
SANDPOINT -- Dozens of local drug users provided city police with information that led to a Thursday arrest that's expected to reduce drug trafficking in Bonner County.
Some of these local drug users, who reportedly ranged from 16 to 24 years, have already been arrested.
Others were confidential informants, Police chief Mark Lockwood said Tuesday.
Lockwood would not comment when asked about the confidential informants and their fates because the investigation continues.
"We spent a year (with this investigation)," he said. "There was a lot of linkage that was done there through criminal analysis."
The investigation involving Sandpoint police going undercover to help federal officials resulted in the arrest two leaders from this major drug trafficking ring known as Llama Tribe. Palmer Hanson, 26, and Allen Lint, 26, both of Yakima, Wash., were arrested in Spokane by the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration.
Sandpoint police gained trust of leaders who belong to the Llama Tribe, according to a news release. The group is believed to have supplied up to 90 percent of the acid in the western United States. The group also supplied this area with acid, mushrooms, ecstasy and marijuana.
Sandpoint narcotics detectives learned local drug users obtained these drugs from area barter fairs and brought the drugs to Sandpoint for resale or personal use.
A barter fair is a gathering of people who buy and sell things like jewelry, clothing and food on private property. It's also a market for drugs, which are openly sold and consumed.
These fairs are difficult to bust. Warrants are difficult to obtain because police need to identify who they are after. The property owner generally doesn't deal drugs, but is aware of the activity.
It's believed enough people from the area were going to these barter fairs not to buy drugs for just personal use, Lockwood said.
"These fairs are all part of the investigation," he said. "There's probably a lot of folks who've seen them and attended them."
"This is still an active (drug ring)," Lockwood continued. "We took some people off the top. We don't know where this will lead."
It's possible Hanson and Lint could be charged by Sandpoint police.
"We're going to leave that option on the table," Lockwood said. "It's a joint investigation. They're going through the federal system, but that doesn't exclude filing state charges in the future."
www.bonnercountydailybee.com/art....txt
I thought it would be relevant...
Investigation ends in arrests
Posted: Wednesday, Aug 01, 2007 - 09:17:24 am PDT
By GWEN ALBERS
Staff writer
SANDPOINT -- Dozens of local drug users provided city police with information that led to a Thursday arrest that's expected to reduce drug trafficking in Bonner County.
Some of these local drug users, who reportedly ranged from 16 to 24 years, have already been arrested.
Others were confidential informants, Police chief Mark Lockwood said Tuesday.
Lockwood would not comment when asked about the confidential informants and their fates because the investigation continues.
"We spent a year (with this investigation)," he said. "There was a lot of linkage that was done there through criminal analysis."
The investigation involving Sandpoint police going undercover to help federal officials resulted in the arrest two leaders from this major drug trafficking ring known as Llama Tribe. Palmer Hanson, 26, and Allen Lint, 26, both of Yakima, Wash., were arrested in Spokane by the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration.
Sandpoint police gained trust of leaders who belong to the Llama Tribe, according to a news release. The group is believed to have supplied up to 90 percent of the acid in the western United States. The group also supplied this area with acid, mushrooms, ecstasy and marijuana.
Sandpoint narcotics detectives learned local drug users obtained these drugs from area barter fairs and brought the drugs to Sandpoint for resale or personal use.
A barter fair is a gathering of people who buy and sell things like jewelry, clothing and food on private property. It's also a market for drugs, which are openly sold and consumed.
These fairs are difficult to bust. Warrants are difficult to obtain because police need to identify who they are after. The property owner generally doesn't deal drugs, but is aware of the activity.
It's believed enough people from the area were going to these barter fairs not to buy drugs for just personal use, Lockwood said.
"These fairs are all part of the investigation," he said. "There's probably a lot of folks who've seen them and attended them."
"This is still an active (drug ring)," Lockwood continued. "We took some people off the top. We don't know where this will lead."
It's possible Hanson and Lint could be charged by Sandpoint police.
"We're going to leave that option on the table," Lockwood said. "It's a joint investigation. They're going through the federal system, but that doesn't exclude filing state charges in the future."
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Wed, August 15, 2007 - 5:54 PMThe funny thing about the Llama Family Reunion is that they expressly forbade drug use on their barter fair rules list. -
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Wed, August 15, 2007 - 6:54 PMThis is a big bummer for those of us who go to Barter Faires for music, crafts, reunions, love, community, etc. -
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Wed, August 15, 2007 - 7:38 PMYeah. It kind of detracts from the event to think that it's crawling with cops. Then again the dealers can be a problem as well. At the first Llama Family Barterfair, some guys were selling PCP as Ecstasy and someone freaked out. -
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Mon, August 20, 2007 - 9:56 AMThis seems to demonstrate to me that, if our community doesn't choose to regulate itself that we are virtually justifying outside forces' attempts to control us instead. It's quite a shame that this type of publicity has been drawn to our community. -
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Mon, August 20, 2007 - 3:14 PMI agree. I was discussing with a friend last weekend that the Barter Faire (Tonasket) might be better off without the electrified dome. Not because dj music is bad but because it has changed the tone of the faire. As often happens when you try to please more diverse groups you lose the original atmosphere of safety and intimacy. Barter Faire was conceived as a country trade fair.
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Wed, August 29, 2007 - 4:37 PMAs it turns out, The Llama family has brought so much heat that the Tonasket barter faire will no longer be called such and I dont think you will be hearing the words barter faire anymore because of this. This has ruined the barter faire name. I also think it was funny that their "reunion" was supposed to be drug free. I dont think its going to stop all the chemicals are going to stop and the "family" is surely not out of business so i think our faires will will be bombarded again.
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Fri, September 7, 2007 - 10:15 AMTonasket is the best, I find no matter what Faire I go to, that there is one or two things that make me think, "I wish they didn't have that here", but then I look at the big picture and forget some of the negitive. I was at a Farmers Market just a week ago and there was a hispanic band playing, I don't like their music, I could have just as soon done without it, but there were many there who came just for that. and the smell of sweet smoke filtered though....what this is not a Barter Faire.
and while I am on that, FEAR raised her ugly head and changed the Barter Faire NAME at Tonasket, by changing, you will change the atmosphere, and the Barter Faire will be just another "CRAFT SHOW"
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Fri, August 31, 2007 - 10:25 PMWow man, you are a little off on your facts. The molly was cut with pcp and family was aware of its presence on the property. Molly has to be cut with something or you will just want to go to sleep so its cut with coke or meth or pcp. It dosent take a rocket scientist to figure out where all the good drugs were coming from. Wizzard has been popped multiple times at several events and was being watched by the Feds at the time and he knew it. He was also facing 6mo-2 year sentence later this year. The DEA has their "Pink Elephants" 2CI on their website. Also "someone" who has been tight with the family for the past year and been attending the faires is a narc. The faires here in Spokane are rather small and it isnt hard to make a short list of people who it can be. The Bonner daily bee had to retract some of their story because it contained too much sensitive info. There has been up to a dozen U/C's at all the faires this year but only one that was close to the family. They arent hard to pick out but lots of people get fooled. I hope this takes heat off the faires but i dont think it will. The chemical element wasnt around until the Llamas started showing up and I really dont think they're out of business, they just wont be rolling up in an R/V.
Barter Faires will no longer be called such because of this. Tonasket is now called the Okanogan Family Faire, Turtle faires are Old Time Trading Circles and other faires are following suit. The words barter faire are not welcome anymore. It is a sad time for the faires again. If we really dont want this element we have to clean up our own yard and tell them to go, otherwise its not going to change.
I myself like to do psychedelics and feel at home with others that like to do the same in the woods and have visions of times to come. Tho I have little love for the E-tards the Llamas attracted to the faires with X, the ravers are not family-like and dont care to learn how to live our way. They just want the drugs and party, hog our main fire all night, dirty the land and leave the mess for us to clean.
This is what I was saying in my other post on the Llama fest and being told the Llamas didnt want the hippies but the rave/concert crowd cuz the hippies had no money, for designer drugs I guess now. It all makes sense. I will still be friends with some of the family still but wont support the family as a whole as they have really did the trading circles and barter faires a disservice by coming to our faires hot and still doing business in the open.
I hope the customer/rave/E-tard crowd stays home this fall in Spokane. No dope for you here anymore...
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Fri, September 7, 2007 - 12:09 AMthere are too many questions in all of this. and why is it that Palmer Hanson is not in jail and Wizzard sits with no bail? There are rights and wrongs, for those who enjoy the connection of earth and families, to relax, laugh, build connections, it is easy to see that some of the Llama family have really used the Faires to make a profit for themselves, but there are a few in the Llama family who truely have the love of the earth and the family, but are easily mislead. I hope to see herself out of this mess and rise above this. She loved the peace and love of hte gatherings, lets hope to see her sweet smile and words grace us at all faires. We need to reach out our hearts and help those hurt by their own family. Have we not seen this in other families, Yes, don't turn your backs when you see them at the faires, Give those who are trying to recover all the love and help you would any family member. It was not the Llama Family that hurt the Faires but persons who played us all. I for one will welcome the Llama Family, and my love, for that is what is the right of any one tribe.
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Fri, September 7, 2007 - 7:28 AMIve seen you post it time again and time again Lost_one. You seem to exclude people who do things that you dont like from family. I dont see where this comes from.. We are ALL FAMILY weather you like it or not, some of us are misled, which leads us to doing things that hurt our family. Misled?? YES! Family?? Yes!! Even the feds and cops at rainbow are family.. Think of them as the little child who runs to mom and tells her that his sister was taking too many cookies from the cookie jar. Its YOUR responsibility to teach these people. And if you cant grasp that thought, maybe you need to be taught.
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Sun, September 9, 2007 - 10:26 PMThis message is to all past, present, and future guests at the Okanogan Family Faire. I am a member of the Okanogan community. This community has been very disturbed by the recent blatant disrespect certain faire goers have been giving. I have been very involved in a vision and strategy committee to discuss the ways we can gain the respect back for our faire.
I have been to many other faires, past and present. I see a lack of conscious respect these past years. I have been to the Llama family faire once. (WOW) I have been to to Turtles barterfairs for years but now I see (barter-raves). P.S I have known turtle for many many years and have told him what I think. I'm sorry but that is not what any barter faire was based on. We need to start being respectful of ourselves and to our faires if they are going to survive.
The okanogan community is very tired of the disrespect. This year we are instuting a theme: At the Okanogan Family Faire PEACE, LOVE & RESPECT rule the place. If you can't live up tho these higher values PLEASE DON'T ATTEND OUR EVENT.!!!!!!!!!!!!
There are some new "faire cooperation policies" that I would like you all know about before our faire begins. Please help spread the word as we WILL be enforcing this.
NO DOGS or you will be turned away!
If we see ANY drugs or alcohol at the gate you will be turned away!
NO MINORS without your parent or legal guardian.
NO CAMPERS until Friday----VENDORS ONLY Thursday. You will have to find off site camping until Friday if you arrive early.
RESPECT the faire or you will be asked to leave.
If we all abide by this theme of respect we ALL will have an awesome, spiritual, uplifting Okanogan Family Faire.
I do not want to be afraid for my young son and daughter. I was afraid at the last faire, and I am doing something about it.
I attended my first faire when I was five. That was a long time ago for me. I remember bartering my heart out. Please, this year bring items to trade and barter. Come here to see friends and family. If you see someone dissing. Please instil our theme.
Peace Love and Respect Always
Okanogan Family Faire Representative and Coordinator.
www.okanoganfamilyfaire.com
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Sun, September 9, 2007 - 10:43 PMNo disrespect, but who are you? and what exactly do you coordanate?
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Sun, September 9, 2007 - 11:19 PMHi,
I am the Vendor Liaison Coordinator. My job is to assist all volunteers on my crew to help all vendors find their appropriate space in the circle, ask all of them to please not sell war toys, glow sticks, drug paraphernalia, to assist in all food vendor health department inspections, to require their shutdown if they fail, to assist if they have any questions or special needs before and during the faire.
My Husband Is the First Aid Coordinator For the whole faire. He must coordinate all first aid volunteers, facilitate the emt ambulances, assist with any injury, medical conditions, and drug overdoses.
I am also a volunteer of the site clean up crew.
We are also assisting the board of directors of this faire to help with logistics, such as an information campaign to let people know ahead of time of our requests. All the information included in my last post was all board approved or I would not have said it.
I am curious if you have any question regarding this. Do you agree at all? Do you understand why the Okanogan Community is doing this? Maybe the dogs wouldnt be an issue if that irie hippie girl didn't bring her SIX pit bulls last year. The Okanogan County Health Department does not want any dogs in the circle due to food vendor health issues. how are we supposed to enforce that?
Last years faire was chaos for many of the coordinators and volunteers. They are very worried that it will happen again this year. Is it worth the risk of losing our faire.
Please understand that I love you all and want to watch my children grow up going to this faire just as I did.
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Mon, September 10, 2007 - 11:59 AMOk, I know who you are now. I support the faire board and it's decisions. Allthough I may disagree a little on the semantics and tactics that are employed but it's only through disagreement that we will ever broaden our perspectives.
I've always thought that dogs should stay home, war toys suck, glowsticks should stay in your tent, and that everyone should be respectful of others.
There really needs to be only one _RULE_ in my opinion, "Be Cool".
You shouldn't be doing anything to impair other people's ability to have fun at the festival or that would keep the festival from being able to continue onward in a safe and healthy way. If we all were capable of following that rule without guidance, the others would be moot.
Our festival is at a crossroads, we are faced with an influx of people who do not know our culture. It it at this point that we have to decide if we are going to find a way to help these people understand and become more like us or, if we are willing to stand the consequences of attempting to exclude them.
I was an outsider in your circle once, I sometimes who I would have become if Buffalo had told me that day I first arrived "Sorry kid, you need to pay money to get in."
Just my two cents,
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Weather
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Mon, September 10, 2007 - 11:40 PMahhhhhhhh, I guess i am really living in the dark ages, I don't understand what harm a glow stick is to anything..OMG, I must be older than dirt.Glow Stidks??? I can smoke a pack of Marboro's but I can't have a GLOW Stick. Now I think we are getting back to the 1930's in Germany. Watdh your backs folks, NO Glow Stidks..whats next. I think my man Lost has the right idea, its time to move on to another faire, I think the Tribes need to find a better gathering place. If one person getting Busted for drugs can cause so much upheaval, then its time to find a new place, new BARTER FAIRE, YOU know..."if you build it we will come", I will be the first to pull out the glow stick, give the dogs a bone, and light the fire.
what ever happen to keep your animal on a lease, or does that only count for the human animal. I think some one has gone over board, or just wanted to change this into the craft show, and got their way. PEACE, LOVE, and respect but not at the OKANOGAN FAMILY FAIRE.,
I have a few places I have seen that I am going to stop and see if they would like to become the friend of the TRIBE.
Heads up Llama Family, they said NO DOGS< not NO Llama's...Ya all come
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Mon, September 10, 2007 - 5:31 PMI live on the road from a pack and tent. I travel, digging crystals and gems to trade at the faires. My travel partner is a chihuahua and goes EVERYWHERE I go and is very welcome at every faire I've been to, also all the faires I've been to dogs have been a non issue.
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Tue, September 11, 2007 - 10:16 AMWeather, Thank for your reply. I also appreciate you being involved (past & present) in the calm tent volunteer coordination. You will be working closely with my husband. Also, I understand your concern about the semantics of this. The board believes that we need to be blunt and to the point about this years requests, and not beat around the bush, making hints and suggestions.
Regarding the glow sticks. They are toxic to the environment , and drain into the fairgrounds when broken, and then into our water supply. They are found, along with a massive amount of other trash, at the end of the faire. Is anybody willing to sign up for faire clean up crew and be part of the solution? Please let us know.
Lost--Thank you for letting us know you will not be attending the faire this year because of your dog. Knowing now is better than being unaware and being turned away at the gate. If you change your mind there is a great dog babysitter in Tonasket called Howling Ridge Rescue. Also, Cottonwood Kennels is available for boarding. (509) 826-4687---224 Greenacres Road in Riverside (just off hwy 97) I can give you directions if you would like. They have heated indoor rooms available.
I did see something mentioned about paying cash to get into the faire rather than trade. There are a huge amount of bills that must be paid before and after the faire to even make it happen including the140 porta-potties necessary, trash dumpsters, road Improvement, weed removal requirements from the county weed board, and the county permits required form the commissioners, county health district, and others. The Okanogan family faire does not own the property where the faire goers camp to the side of the circle. That is leased by the neighboring owner and the faire must pay for that. The faire is hoping to buy that piece but we cant buy it with baked goods.
Also, we still need a sanitation coordinator to work with the porta-pottie company, and help keep TP in the cans. Is anybody willing to work with us on this?
Part of the boards requests for Vision and Strategy Committee were to try and make the faire smaller. If people are saying they will not attend the fair because of our requests than so be it.
Being the main person on this public information campaign, I do not expect to be extremely popular. I do not mind if certain people are upset with me or the Okanogan Family Faire about these requests. I hope everybody understands why we are doing this. These changes have been in discussion way before these "Llama Family" arrests were made. I figured it would be a good soap box to discuss these issues.
Again, Q's or Ideas, would be wonderful!
Thank you
Representative of the Okanogan Community & Okanogan Family Faire
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Tue, September 11, 2007 - 12:46 PMoh! now I understand, whew, I wasn't thinking in terms of Toxic. I am so excited to hear that you are now going to exclude Toxic items from the barter faires. No more of those STYROFOAM cups, plates, No more Plastic bottled water, no more open fires, (talk about Toxic smoke). No more gas, or oil, and of course you will control those who attend that may omit the deadly and toxic FART. and those who spit body substance on the ground, because that goes into our drinking water supply. I understand now that Lost dog would ruin the ground we walk on. OH wait, I bet I can't bring my Llama, they are toxic too.
Regarding your massive waste cleanup, what happen to "you pack it in, you carry it out", it workds in other places. and if there is that amount of Trash, trash is Toxic, and as it lays upon the ground it omits many toxic breakdown into the enviorment. You really do have a big problem. I would love to help you police all the faire laybreakers, I am sure I could tell them that they are not the type of people wanted at this faire, we want only those who are the same as the faire representives.
but..I will have to exclude myself and my cat and dog, baby, husband (Baby and Husband FART all the time) and oh yes, my RV from this faire, I think maybe I will go to our land out in the middle of nowhere, and invite those displaced by your faire to join us. And if you have a LLama bring one. Dogs are welcome, except I have a neighbor who likes to eat dog.
and not to worry, if you want your faire to be smaller in size, it will be, it will be filled with the type of people you want, which is beginning to look like a bunch of tunnel vision bigots.....
May our Rain God bless you with rain, so it can wash all that Toxic film off all your faire goers bodies.
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Tue, September 11, 2007 - 2:06 PMWoW! Your right! I also wish that campers and vendors would not buy the styrofoam, and plastic forks. And I wish that people did not need glow sticks to enjoy a Barter Faire. I wish people wouldn't have to clean up the broken beer bottles, because your right! What happened to Pack it In Pack it Out. I wish we all had access to bio-fuel, (as my co-coordinator makes his own) so we (me) do not have to pollute the earth. I have the economy car I drive to work in and I have the old Ford f150 we will be taking to camp in. I wish that some volunteers who got in free would show up for their shift and help make the faire awesome. I also wish the first Aid Coordinator (my Husband) will not have to deal with certain medical emergencies (if you know what I mean). It is his license he could possibly lose, If anything bad were to happen.
Regarding the dogs, I feel empathy for lost_one for his companion not being invited. But--- The Okanogan County Health Department Could Possibly SHUT US DOWN! I have seen multiple dog fights within the circle! How are we supposed to deal with that? Could it be possible for friends in the community to help be a dog babysitter. I used to watch peoples dogs all the time when I was living in Montana. They would be going off to shows and events. We didn't mind. We understood!
I don't know where bigotry came in to any part of this conversation. We are trying to help make sure this faire is a "FAMILY EVENT"
Children & Elders included. My 71 year old grandmother will be there. My 52 year old mother will be there. My 33 year old ass will be there, And my eight year old daughter and 4 year old son will be there & husband included. I want everyone to enjoy themselves and have a good time.
And everyone is right, we should be able to regulate ourselves. If people do that we won't need all this can do can't do stuff.
At my job people say "just one person can ruin it for the rest of us, regarding teamwork and getting into trouble" AND just a few people
could ruin it for the ones who want to go to the faires to see friends and family, barter & trade and just have a nice time. I don't want to lose this faire. It could become extinct if we don't protect it. This one is the grandmother, 34 straight years of friends and family gathering to barter and trade for the winter. I was not even born yet.
You sound very passionate and hopefully you are willing to come and be a part of everything. If not, so be it.
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Thu, September 13, 2007 - 12:51 PMSarcasm mis toxic too.
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Tue, September 11, 2007 - 1:30 PMone more thing, if my memory serves me right, I seem to remember that it was the LLama LLama Family Tribe that sells the most TOXIC GLOW STICKS, They always had them. Oh another good reason to keep those evil TOXIC GLOW STICKS and the Llama family out of the faire, Now that seems really FAIR.
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Wed, September 12, 2007 - 12:25 PMOH You are so young! First, I am not pissed about glow sticks, I don't even like glow sticks, but they do make children happy and make the old feel younger when they have them in hand.
Second, The barterfaire name was removed and replaced with your new identity because of the "DRUG BUST OF 2 OF THE LLAMA FAMILY"
Third, in your 30 some years of operation you are trying to act like there was never any drugs of any kind, used,bought,sold. Give me a break. most everyone in the past 30 some years has " used - tried - or smelled" at a Barterfaire.
Fourth, NO dogs, Lost is right, NO Animals, and while your at it, can you keep the running out of control , smarty talking, ill manered, spoiled, 2 legged kids on a leash, We all don't think your, NOT MEANING YOURS, kids are that wonderful, there is alot to be said for birth control. I would rather spend all day with a dog, as one hour with the smart mouth kid who is part of the "family". We all don't think they are CUTE. Most people spend alot more time caring for their dogs, than the 2 legged kid. \
And why not allow only one dog per camper? If we have to put up with the running wild snot nose kid in the camp, we can put up with one well mannered dog. And on that note too, if animals are kept on a leash, NO ONE IS GOING TO CLOSE YOU DOWN.
all those I have talked to, from Calif, Oregon,montana,washington, feel you have gone Overboard, this year and are using the drug bust, to institute changes you have always wanted to make. The two who were busted were Llama family yes, but for those of us who know the :family" we also know that like all families there are a few who need to change, , but as the LLama Family as a Family, They are still a family and always will be.
And I repeat again, YES you are using the Llama Family as a means to make changes you wanted to make for years.
I was selling tye dye, long before you were born, I was dancing to the beat of a drum, before your bottom had a diaper on it, and I have original "dead", I was at the first "Woodstock", and danced the night away. You want to talk when, I have furniture older than your Grandmother....I am older than your grandmother.....I have grandchildren older than you....All who go to the Faire's, and I would be glad to let my ggrandchild play with Lost's dog, before I would let your kids play with them.
You want to know PISSED, I am Pissed at your "Holier than thou", "Better than anyone" attitude.
We will dance to the beat of a drum, but not with you, our fire bowl is closed to Bigots.
Last to be said.....Now we go to the sweat lodge and cleanes ourselves of you. May the Rain God shine on your parade
PEACE and LOVE to Lost and his best friend.
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Wed, September 12, 2007 - 1:43 PMRegarding the name change of the Okanogan Family Faire. The Tonasket community created a certified non-profit organization at LEAST three years ago. That is when the name change occurred. Not one month ago as some people seem to be saying. This is a fact. Please don't distort the historical truth about the NAME of the Okanogan Family Faire.
Again, the Llama family is NOT the reason the Okanogan Family Faire has made these requests. These changes have been discussed long before any Llama arrests were made. This was brought up and discussed IMMEDIATLY after last years faire. People discussed openly at the Spring Volunteer Summit (On the Faire site) these very things I am trying to express to the public. Vision and Strategy Committees were formed to discuss the issues the faire must face long before these arrests. There seems to be a lot of assumptions flying around. I am glad you are getting the word out but please keep to the facts.
Regarding your third opinion, I am respecting the board members requests of me not to bring certain "abuses" into these discussions because of liability reasons. Even the Llama family stated "NO DRUGS" on their advertising for their last faire (which I attended). Why, because of liability reasons. Their faire could have been sued. In MY opinion "regulation in all things". All these issues would be moot if everyone could do this. Maybe you could come be a first aid volunteer or C. A. L. M. tent volunteer and help us with certain "abuses."
I respect that you are my elder and understand that you have been many places and done many things. I respect your opinion. Also, I may be young but I am not naive about the necessary changes to keep this faire alive. I am also NOT new to the barterfaire community. But I am very observant. So far I have only heard from a couple of people about their unhappiness.
Do what you must, if you choose not to come to this faire, so be it.
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Re: Family Faire Name Change
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 9:12 PMDear Friend, I love to stir the pot.....Eagles always look down...I will end this Drama....You come off maybe like I do...but you say, if you don't like it, don't come...I checked with friends & family today, I know of 50 who will not come. I would love to offer my helping hands, I can do most anything, except make a good custard pie. I would come with my dogs, cats and grandchildren, except I have scheduled a trip to the medical center in Seattle, to see if I can slow the spread of cancer in my heart sack.
The point is, I don't care when the change was talked about, It is how you respond to people. Give me a 100 glow sticks, to one dirty diaper laying on the ground. Give me 10 dogs on a leash, to one dirty diaper on the ground. Make people responsible for their actions, don't take the freedom from them, which is what you are doing, Barter Faires are for free exchange, it is now becoming a Faire of rules of don't and do nots. You are changing your faire into the common country fair, give us your money, and follow our rules....NO....
I have been to faires where the drugs are many, but I also notice that the percentage of users are even less than 10% of the total attending. Most come for the common interest, and drugs are not the common interest. The Llama Family is well known, and well liked, less than 10% of them are into the drugs, but everyone in any family should start looking at those "friends" who come into a family to maybe "bring down the drug dealer". I for one do not want to know who turned who in, but I think everyone knows who is out and who is in, and I never want to be in the family who gets taken down one of my own family, because when you have a market of 90%, and you turn your friends in to save yourself, no, I think we may read more of things that will happen to those who gave up a friend to save themself. MY DEA friend told me that "hits" can take out a whole family, I know this family and I burn blessings for them each day.
No I will not come, not now or ever again. and my Dear friend, you will not miss me, but you have missed knowing me, and learning from me.
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Re: glow sticks
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 2:24 PMAny decisions made within this community, I guarantee, were not made because of the "Llama Family". I don't think many people even know who you are up here. Not one time has this ever been a discussion. You are the one that has brought that point to the table.
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Re: Pets at Tonasket
Tue, September 11, 2007 - 2:05 PMNice way to put it, thanks but he is more than just a dog. He is my family and partner as is most 4 legged family members in normal families
I wont be attending your event because my only family isn't welcome. I do not have the money or the want, to pay for a dog sitter and do not want to treat him for kennel cough after his stay. People aren't expected to leave their kids home or with a sitter and this is my kid.
I realize that the actions of few have ruined things for the most as usual and I dont mean to take it out on you but, you are representing the family here. I hope your tone dosen't reflect the tone of the rest of the family.
Excluding someones family is wrong and this faire is the ONLY one to have such a rule that I have seen.
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Re: Pets at Tonasket
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 4:46 PMRegarding dogs... I'd like to refer you to my post here: www.barterfaire.org/forum/viewtopic.php
I for one have seen evidence of these changes in the making for some time, including at the Spring Summit this year. So it's obvious they're not in regards to the Llama thing.
Change is not a bad thing, but I believe that enforcing the dog leash rules (and making it easy for people to clean up after dogs) would work better than banning dogs altogether. -
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Re: Pets at Tonasket
Wed, September 12, 2007 - 8:47 PMAmen! There should be a leash on all 4 legged creature when in crowd, to protect them, not us. and sorry but there are some two legged humans that could use a leash too. I have been at faire's that even have disposable gloves and small bags for waste, to encourage the clean up. But there are those who can't even dispose their childs diaper. just change and toss it on the ground, NOW, I think I would rather see a glow stick on the ground than a dirty diaper. What is wrong with some people, can't even clean up there mess. I will never understand. -
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Re: Pets at Tonasket
Thu, September 13, 2007 - 1:10 PMDear Family Faire Rep.
First of all I want to thank you for what seems to me a very fair, mature and calm response to all these posts. I for one really appreciate your work and your perspective. I agree on most points. Toxic sticks, out. I'm excited to have a smaller faire that is more true to the spirit I was first attracted to 18 years ago.
Dogs are territorial and happiest at home. Not to say there arn't exceptions but I find it cruel to restrict them in cars, leashes, baskets, arms, etc. and that is why I have an unrestricted cat who is perfectly happy to roam and hunt on his own land while I travel.
I was losing steam for the Faire this year but all this info helps to get me excited again. Is there room for vendors to save space for family if that family agrees to contribute to operation of the fair? I believe that everyone is better off when there are cohesive self-policing communities within the faire and if some spaces can't be saved it necessarily isolates those who must arrive later.
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Re: Investigation ends in arrests...
Mon, September 17, 2007 - 11:22 PMWOW man, please get your facts right. There was a situation at the LFR the first year where some outsiders came in with "ecstacy pills" laced with BZP, an analog with similar effects as PCP. Next, as soon as this was discovered, the family took immidiate action to trace the source of said product and took harm reduction precautions including the removal and certain persons from the event.
"popped mutlple times at several events" is also a flat out falsehood. The person who I think you are refering to, who for many reasons I will not refer to in the name you used, was NEVER "popped" at ANY events. It's a matter of public record, look it up. He had one situation reported in the newspaper that occured while driving down the road allegedly in posession of cannibas which, if true, would have been legal and for medical patients. His only arrest was the one in current discussion and currently awaiting trial. The lies reported in the newspaper were FALSE. He was setup and is being railroaded with non-founded charges. Of course, for the sake of his pending legal defense, specifics can not be discussed.
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Re: Investigation ends in arrests...
Thu, September 13, 2007 - 2:45 PMWizzard was released from Jail on 9-11-07, and Palmer has been out since the wire was removed.
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Re: Investigation ends in arrests...
Tue, September 18, 2007 - 12:02 AMCan't speak for the other guy, but The person you refer to as w******, who I will not call that name, was released on 9/11 on pre-trail release under very strict bail conditions. Including electronic home monitoring with a limited leash of 100ft, and has been taken in by very loving old school family with ties in barterfairs but deeper ties in rainbow. His legal defense is being worked on by many people at many levels, as there were many civil rights violations. (I would ask that discussion of this topic be limited for legal protection of the accused.)
It's a shame that so many people here, who should know better, are proceeding as if the lies in the newspaper are true and mean guilt. In this nation people are INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty byond a reasonable doubt. And this case hasn't even begun. Soon, you will see this person come forward on a very national scale in defense of his name, his family, and most importantly the lies the newspaper is spreading about the community he loves.
Please remember, family and friends, that the alleged actions of a few individuals DOES NOT reflect the family or community as a whole. Please remember that the barter fairs is a place of fellowship, love, gathering, community, family of peace, harmony, and acceptance... as well a method for the community to sustain by trading goods with one another. I can assure you that the Llama Family is not what is is claimed to be in the newspapers. Most members of the Llama Family live a very ORGANIC life and do not even partake in or condone the use of dr
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