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O-Chem has just kicked off at a brisk pace- my prof is operating under the assumption that we have solid chemistry backgrounds and has launched in full force. Unfortunately, I took my gen chems elsewhere in a really intense/ abbreviated format and I seem to be a tad behind on the knowledge others have brought it.
Can anyone provide a list of concepts to review or teach myself to really be prepared for whats to come and is already rapidly unfolding? Any advice on study techniques are also welcome... It looks like this will seriously involve a ton of drawing and memorizing... correct?
Can anyone provide a list of concepts to review or teach myself to really be prepared for whats to come and is already rapidly unfolding? Any advice on study techniques are also welcome... It looks like this will seriously involve a ton of drawing and memorizing... correct?
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Re: O... Chem! Advice for a newby?
Mon, September 3, 2007 - 6:14 PMOh boy. I suggest reading 'pushing electrons' ;it'll show you the importance of following the electrons.
I suggest memorizing the functional groups, ;it'll make understanding easy.
I suggest working on a blackboard with someone else and give each other tasks such as "draw pentene , and add chlorine gas, then show the product." but draw lots of reactions and SHOW THE ARROWS!
Always Show The Lone Pairs! it'll make the knowing where the electrons are easier.
SO in short, read a book, work with someone else, and draw lots of electrons, and dont skip any details, Ever. -
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Re: O... Chem! Advice for a newby?
Tue, September 4, 2007 - 1:59 PMthanks Bicycle, sounds like fun times ahead! -
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Re: O... Chem! Advice for a newby?
Tue, September 4, 2007 - 10:29 PMIf done with a smile, it really is fun. I have really strong bonds with some people I worked out organic chem problems with. We would work for hours on them, make up problems for each other, work problems from the back of books, try to explain to each other why an addition happens instead of a replacement.
Bromine is a students friend, but not a practitioners friend.
Electrons go from high density to low density.
Always protonate first, then continue the reaction. -
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Re: O... Chem! Advice for a newby?
Sun, September 9, 2007 - 3:04 PMUnless of course its a base catalyzed reaction... but yes often enough protonating first helps... . make sure everything is balanced... you know R-x + NaOH = ROH and NaX (where X is a good leaving group) i suggest getting to know what makes a good leaving group and good nucleophile) The more problems you do the more you know. Since side reactions are a major part of what synthetic route you may choose it is important not to forget that many reactions can occur at the same time so you kind of have to keep track of everything you learn along the way. Oh yeah and opposites attract, except with solvents, then it is like dissolves like. -
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Re: O... Chem! Advice for a newby?
Thu, September 13, 2007 - 4:58 PM"... R-x + NaOH = ROH and NaX (where X is a good leaving group)..."
By convention X in OChem is a halogen (F, Cl, Br, I) and maybe an R'SO3 (sulfate, pTos, Mes, Tfl, etc) and M is some metal. If one wants talk about the hydrolysis of an ester or ether then one needs to write out the formulae.
A good trick, acetonitrile and alkanes of 6 or more carbons don't mix thus allowing one to do completely organic extractions of polar and nonpolar compounds. -
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Re: O... Chem! Advice for a newby?
Fri, September 14, 2007 - 12:29 PMI was just talking about balancing equations dude... And by the way good luck getting R-F + NaOH = ROH +NaF to go, fluorine is an awful leaving group. The job of the newbie to O-chem is to know what a good leaving group is. The "good trick" is not really a good rule of thumb... Hexane is a poor solvent.. Like dissolves like, however, is a rule of thumb I use everyday and works for Just about everything.. -
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Re: O... Chem! Advice for a newby?
Sat, September 15, 2007 - 10:08 AMWhat Ive wanted to get across to a newbie was the feel and shape of how organics function. Personally I think my fave image in my head is the whole electron density thing. It takes time to understand why the density would change, but once you understand why the electron would be pulled over towards the oxygen, and pushed away from the copper then you can start making predictions.
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Re: O... Chem! Advice for a newby?
Sat, September 15, 2007 - 11:13 AMIf you wanted to talk about rules of thumb, I gave one about notation.
As for the quality of fluorine as a leaving group depends on the chemistry. Right now I'm having a hard time keeping it from leaving in the following side-reaction:
Ar-F + ROK -> Ar-OR + KF at 30C (Ar = an aryl group)
Again, depending on the chemistry, alkanes (hexane, heptane, etc) are good solvents. The like dissolves like rule, is only helpful if one knows the classes of solvents:
Non-polar solvents, with the following subclasses:
hydrocarbon
aromatic
highly fluorinated hydrocarbon
other halogenated hydrocarbon
Polar solvents, which is broken down in to protic and aprotic classes
Protic solvents being:
water
alcohols
thiols
primary and secondary amines
acids
protic heterocyclics
Aprotic solvents include:
nitriles
ternary amines
aldehydes and ketones
aprotic heterocylics
Then there are the Ionic solvents and Metallic solvents (a good example of a metallic solvent is mercury, another being the combination of liquid ammonia, Na+ and e-).
True, non-polar solvents tend to dissolve non-polar compounds and polar solvents dissolve polar compounds but things aren't that simple. BTW the use of hexane and acetonitrile for separations is an example of a non-polar (hexane) not being dissolved in an apolar solvent (acetonitrile).
So dude ... don't encourage the newbies into poor habits of thought. -
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Re: O... Chem! Advice for a newby?
Mon, September 17, 2007 - 2:55 PMReally troy, you mean to tell me that sometimes a polar compound might not be soluble in a polar solvent. Who would of thunk there would be an exception, in chemistry of all subjects! BTW Your "particular" reaction, it is not just simple SN2 displacement and is an exception at least by my standards of using mechanisms. But hey what do I know. -
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Re: O... Chem! Advice for a newby?
Tue, September 18, 2007 - 4:25 PMActually "my particular reaction" isn't all that uncommon in fluorine chemistry (which is a speciality all by it self), but fluorine is a strange beast. BTW you are thinking about the wrong mechanism, try SNar(omatic). In SNar reactions F>Cl>Br>I as leaving groups which is the opposite of SN2 reactions on alkanes.
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Re: O... Chem! Advice for a newby?
Sat, September 15, 2007 - 8:10 PMA list of concepts?
look up and TRY to understand hydrogen bonding. Then look up the other kinds of bonding. ii dd id did ld
[ion ion] [dipole dipole][ion induced dipole] [dipole induced dipole] [london dispersion].
I like to remember it as "idiot did LD" it doesny make sense, but I like mnemonics.
Use mnemonic phrases to memorize functional groups."you ether have a coc or you dont" remembers you that carbon-oxygen-carbon is an ether. make flash cards, that helped me learn the groups in about 4 weeks.
understand that molecules are not limited to interacting only on a 2D plane. most collisions have no reaction, but if they line up right could the electrons form a bond?even for a split second? Chemistry is all about electrons.
some models have things built into them that make understanding easier. when you build a pi bond with models the little stick is bent and under strain yes? so is a real pi bond. plus a model will show a sterically hindered rxn better than drawings.
go over pi bonds, sigma bonds, and hybridization.
study techniques? study 4 hours a day with people who are good at it. youre in college, so that means you have to give up lots of free time.use it to study. thats all I know.sorry I cant give better advice.
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Re: O... Chem! Advice for a newby?
Sun, September 16, 2007 - 7:06 PMit's great to see such passion for chemistry! i will be sure to reference this post in january when i start the class again. this aint the semester to attempt the great O due to external factors... but thanks for the help all! -
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Re: O... Chem! Advice for a newby?
Thu, September 20, 2007 - 10:26 PMI had a great O last night... -
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Re: O... Chem! Advice for a newby?
Thu, September 20, 2007 - 10:41 PMQues'que c'est?
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