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is the bible patriarchal and whatever happened to worship of the goddess?
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Sat, November 7, 2009 - 7:11 PMGood question.
God is not male or female. There is patriarchal in the Bible. God is referred to as Father, blood line (authoritative) is via male line, etc...etc. Yet there are references to female authority as well. Jesus's line was mentioned from the aspect of both Joseph and Mary's line. Sarah, Deborah, Rahab, Naomi, Rebecca, etc are all revered in the Old Testament. And equality in the sexes can be traced to principles in the Bible.
So I guess goddesses are not a part of Christianity. Yet I know they are a part of other religions.
Mediterranean cultures were commonly patriarchal. So much so that often in language when you see the male version of 'they' (ie Ellos - in Spanish) it refers to not only males but both males and females.
India has a tradition of matriarchal society, especially among the Hindus.
So whether patriarchal or matriarchal, the cultural origin of the religion would dictate the nature of the religion.
And yet these differences have little to do with spirituality. Whatever religion you choose, I think the common goal is Ascension. And a common principal is the Golden Rule, that can be described as treat others as you would want to be treated (other ways of describing it pertain). -
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Sun, November 8, 2009 - 2:28 AMi noticed it condones the male divorcing the women if she wasn't "satisfactory" in the bible. no mention of the women being able to. the men all took many wives, as though they were cattle. too it condemns making love outside of marriage, also oppressive. a form of shaming a natural and beautiful act.
i do love the poetry in the bible however. this is the case of much cult writing. very beautiful. jesus was written into the story as a kind man. i like what he says. i do believe during the missing years between 18 and 30 he went to study in college however. this is why he was revered among the common people. perhaps they'd not had the chance to hear an educated man speak before. -
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Sun, November 8, 2009 - 2:31 AMalso, prior to the bible being forced upon the pagans, i do believe they worshipped the goddess. was there not a genocide of the native americans, pagans and other indigenous cultures in order to take their land and force the bible upon them? the peoples burned alive and a good portion of their culture erased and taken from them? -
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Sun, November 8, 2009 - 8:28 AMWhat humans do has nothing to do with religion. Any human, any religion. Because religion has been used as an excuse by those in power to commit atrocities.
If you look at the crimes, same stuff keeps coming up, power greed, control. Many heinous crimes have been committed in the three controlling religions of the world, Christianity, Judaism, and Islam.
Not only religion was forced on the indigenous people, but culture as well. Ie Indian tribes in the US were given rice. But they thought the rice was maggots.
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Sun, November 8, 2009 - 9:08 AM>"i noticed it condones the male divorcing the women if she wasn't "satisfactory" in the bible"<
Indeed.
That's pretty much in the Old Testament, which everything in the Old Testament is pretty much in Judaism.
But Jesus did change that.:
www.biblegateway.com/passage/
>"4And He answered and said, "Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE,
5and said, 'FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH'?
6"So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate."
7They said to Him, "Why then did Moses command to GIVE HER A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE AND SEND her AWAY?"
8He said to them, "Because of your hardness of heart Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but from the beginning it has not been this way.
9"And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."
10The disciples said to Him, "If the relationship of the man with his wife is like this, it is better not to marry."
11But He said to them, "Not all men can accept this statement, but only those to whom it has been given.
12"For there are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother's womb; and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there are also eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to accept this, let him accept it." "<
Here Jesus sets straight what is up with divorce. Sure its still speaking to males. But notice that Jesus here also refers to the third sex. We don't even acknowledge them today.
Today we have no fault divorce. So any man or woman can divorce their spouse just because.
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Sun, November 8, 2009 - 9:17 AM>"is the bible patriarchal and whatever happened to worship of the goddess? "<
I have to add that in ancient Greece and Roman Empire, they had many gods and goddesses. But even they were patriarchal in nature, hence Zeus womanizing around Earth much to Hera's opposition. Such a soap opera.
But the practice of worshiping many gods and goddesses was incorporated into Catholicism in the form of Saint worship. Hence we have altars and cathedrals dedicated to Mary and Mary Magdalene, and I think some others as well.
But I think straight Goddess worship in a matriarchal sense was an eastern thing, and perhaps an indigenous African thing, perhaps also in the indigenous people in the Americas. -
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Mon, November 9, 2009 - 11:53 PMi like that jesus agreed on the love of two people. that is nice. i steer clear of any religion which evil ones have done evil things by. i believe the religion at that point holds dark energy.
i need to make a point to re-read the bible. i read it many times as a small mouse. it was forced on me by my mother. i want to read it for myself now. -
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Mon, November 9, 2009 - 11:54 PMis this tribe called enlightened christian? i think you forgot the d. -
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Tue, November 10, 2009 - 12:03 AMROLF
Alas the sin of misspelling has come upon me.
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Tue, November 10, 2009 - 12:02 AM>"i need to make a point to re-read the bible. i read it many times as a small mouse. it was forced on me by my mother. i want to read it for myself now."<
I admire your courage.
My perspective on reading the Bible:
Reading the Bible is best suited when you compare what it says to the world around you. That is where you are.
I have to say I don't like the 'dark energy' in religion either. But I don't think that that disproves the Bible. But I believe that we can hold our own religion sacred regardless of what others do or don't do. I think it comes down to personal responsibility. -
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Thu, November 19, 2009 - 9:58 AMGoing back to the original note, Goddesses. In Gods plan, if worthy and in time, we can become Gods and Goddesses, and as such, joint heirs to all that God has. Though Goddesses is not spoken of much, just as the term Heavenly Mother. Man can be so vile with his mind and tongue, God has left some of this out, to keep her from being drug through the mud. Women are held in high esteem and are sacred vessels which bring new life to being.
Look how some men defile and degrade women here on earth, why would they not do it to our heavenly mother as well.
Also man has over time come to think that women are less then they are, to control them, how sad that is, When they are our equals and with different gifts and abilities roles. But one is not without the other in the Lord, We cannot be perfected and become God like without each other. We each have our differences and in those differences we learn to be serve each others and round off each others rough edges, helping the perfection process to happen. God like is more a mix of male and female, as know it on earth, truly Divine beings and humans on earth, would be neither really male or female in their feelings and emotions and actions, those we do have our roles and characteristics.
David
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