So, without consulting this tribe, or the vast knowledge presented here, I decided to make a chick-pea curry. As I only had the dried variety, they soaked overnight, I cooked them in the morning, and drained, and added what I thought would be good. This is to say, I have a wonderfull curry from the health food store, and I was told that putting yogurt in will give the peas a really nice texture, and calm down the spices. (I also through in some Bryani mix I bought in South Africa for good measure and some butter.)
Sadly, it was horrible! The yogurt curdled, the spice mix was all wrong, or maybe, I just couldn`t tell because the yogurt changed all the flavours, and it looked like vomit. I was so dissapointed (and a little annoyed with myself) that I did try to eat some of it, just because of the time I`d put into it, but it had to go to the bin in the end.
*sigh*
So, I`ve learned my lesson, from now on I shall consult the Indian food gods - Manu, Frayed, and co. - before I attempt to ruin any more of my favourite dishes.
A very humble "cheers"!
Deloris
Sadly, it was horrible! The yogurt curdled, the spice mix was all wrong, or maybe, I just couldn`t tell because the yogurt changed all the flavours, and it looked like vomit. I was so dissapointed (and a little annoyed with myself) that I did try to eat some of it, just because of the time I`d put into it, but it had to go to the bin in the end.
*sigh*
So, I`ve learned my lesson, from now on I shall consult the Indian food gods - Manu, Frayed, and co. - before I attempt to ruin any more of my favourite dishes.
A very humble "cheers"!
Deloris
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Re: Bad bad bad bad bad chana masala.
Thu, June 15, 2006 - 3:36 PMBefore you add yogurt to anything, it helps to whisk it vigorously till it's super-smooth. Then add it to your pan a few drops at a time, working fast with the stirring-hand to incorporate it with the rest of the ingredients before it can curdle. Then don't let it go too long without tending it, and don't use too high a temperature. I would add it when everything else is just about finished cooking, then just go long enough to get it hot. And still sometimes it will curdle--sometimes I succeed, sometimes I don't.
You could try running it in the blender with a little bit of water water and some chick-pea flour, as for kadhi, then follow the instructions above for incorporating it into the pan on your stove. This should keep it from curdling too, if you do it right.
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Re: Bad bad bad bad bad chana masala.
Fri, June 16, 2006 - 3:20 PMNelson Muntz: HA HA!
Hey, at least it was a cheap mistake. :)
The spicing was probably wrong. I've ended up eating my "styrofoam pellets" curdled mess-ups more than a few times. It is really a texture issue not a taste issue, although it can / does change the taste if it's a delicate dish. I wouldn't think of chana masala as delicate.
Luckily while high heat will make curd curdle and separate, it will eventually blend into the curry... might take a while. Basically you made curd cheese and now you've got to melt it, although some of the graininess will never go away, so it's best to not do it in the first place. (Chana is a tough old bean and can take extra cooking easily.)
curd can be beat, and you can temper it in like you would eggs. Also, low or non-fat curd tends to go wonky when really hot vs full fat - this seems backwards, but it's true. Supposedly the acid or some other magical compound in tomatoes causes faster curdling too, but I'm no sold on it.
If you wanted to use the same ingredients, then just add the curd at the end, after you've turned the heat off and it's cooled down a bit. Or Just add a dollop of curd on the plate when you serve it, let the diners stir it in. But I'm thinking the off-taste is the spices.
Standard versions are roughly
chickpea
onion / garlic (or hing)
ginger / chilly
amchur
tomato
garam masala
fresh hara dhania
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Re: Bad bad bad bad bad chana masala.
Fri, June 16, 2006 - 7:07 PMLittle Gen X'er who lives in my spare room can't bear to be in the kitchen when I'm making Indian food--he's compared curries to things emitted from *both* ends of the alimentary canal. I'll leave the rest to your imagination! -
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Tue, June 20, 2006 - 8:24 AMhahah. i dont believe in ugly looking curries. presentation is sooo important and there are ways to make things look pretty and not overcooked brown greasy sauces with mashed up veggies. yuck.
i concurr with frayed's channa masala. mine is simple, indian and learned from someone who sells it with bhatura on a street in new delhi. it is divine. heat the ghee, 1/2 tsp cumin seeds, red chili and ginger, then hing, fry, then tomatoes, a little turmeric, coriander powder and or channa masala, salt and sugar. cook till its a nice sauce add chickpeas and garnish with hara dhania. serve with fried bhaturas. offer to krsna then enjoy. -
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Re: Bad bad bad bad bad chana masala.
Tue, June 20, 2006 - 12:25 PMSome of my food is amazing. Wouldn't matter to Little Gen X'er *how* beautiful it looked in presentation. If it's Indian, he hates it categorically. He's never tried okra, but he "hates" it. He won't try it *because* he hates it. I don't even try to figure this out anymore. -
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Re: Bad bad bad bad bad chana masala.
Tue, June 20, 2006 - 12:57 PMI'd much rather have it *look* worse than it tastes, than the other way 'round. The ultimate insult being of course old old spices. The dish has no enticing scent, washed out colors, and bland taste. It makes a colorful, vibrant, fragrant, delicious pile of "vomit" perfectly acceptable...
Dee, I have tried a few commercial chana masala, I do like actually one from MDH (Mahashian Di Hatti) which is essentially like the cheap grocery store brand, common everywhere, and only like $0.45 a box at Patel Bros., dirt cheap... oh well, so sue me... it's unique bits anardana, kasoori meethi, clove, mint, musk melon!, caraway seed, and both nutmeg and mace. Good stuff. You might want to keep a box or 3 on hand, so you don't resort to using other (less appropriate) pre-mixed spices. :)
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Re: Bad bad bad bad bad chana masala.
Tue, June 20, 2006 - 5:23 PMoh, poor deloris. well, at least you made us laugh.
I hate okra too. the slime just makes me shudder. there must be a way to make it un-slimy. -
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Tue, June 20, 2006 - 9:08 PMokra is sublime, its not supposed to be slimy. the trick is u never wash it in water b4 cooking. u only paper towel clean it. then fry briskly in oil/ ghee and remove then garnish with spices n almonds or add to whatever sabji at the end of its cooking. but they are delish when done right.
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Wed, June 21, 2006 - 8:04 AMyes, okra only gets slimy if over cooked - fresh, it's delicious! i had pickled okra the other night and it was sooooooooo goooooooooood. crunch, sweet and no slime.
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Sat, April 26, 2008 - 12:21 PM> I hate okra too. the slime just makes me shudder. there must be a way to make it un-slimy.
I love okra.
I believe you wash the okra, then wipe each one of them before cutting and you'll have no slime. Keep it away from water all the time.
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Re: Bad bad bad bad bad chana masala.
Sat, April 26, 2008 - 12:39 PMindeed. good okra= NO WATER. lol.
its gotta be super dry.
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Tue, June 20, 2006 - 9:06 PMMDH is the one I use, too, when I use one, and I'm happy with it. They make a good rajma masala too--which for my money is interchangeable with the other. If they're out of one, buy the other. Same line-up of ingredients. Neat trick to double their sales?
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Re: Bad bad bad bad bad chana masala.
Tue, June 20, 2006 - 8:00 PMI once made some bad, bad, bad, bad dahl, and damn if I didn't make GALLONS of it! I tried to force myself to eat it but it was just too gross. My roommate laaaaaughed & laughed as I filled half a garbage bag with the crap & carted it out to the dumpster. -
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Tue, June 20, 2006 - 9:06 PMoooh i forgot to say deloris that usually we never cook the yoghurt only fold it in the end and off the heat so it doesnt separate that way. it stays nice n creamy.
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Tue, June 20, 2006 - 9:37 PMAll right Manu, you didn't steer me wrong with the Malai Kofta recipe. Lay don't some more for us, wouldja? I'm up for anything w/o meat. Lay it on me. -
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Wed, June 21, 2006 - 8:17 PMThat was "lay DOWN some more for us..." As in recipes... damn fingers getting away from me... -
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Re: Bad bad bad bad bad chana masala.
Sun, June 25, 2006 - 8:01 PMTee hee hee!!!
Thanks to all of you for your stories, for some reason I feel reassured knowing I am not the only one who has ruined a potentially fabulous dish in her lifetime! So, when I get home, and brave, I will try again.
That recuring tip about adding the yougurt at the end could be the best one yet...I sorta put it all into the pot, threw the stove onto med., and let it all cook, hmmmmmmm......c est la vie, as they say!
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Re: Bad bad bad bad bad chana masala.
Sun, June 25, 2006 - 9:06 PMDeloris, there have been at least two threads in Recipe Exchange about kitchen disasters. My personal favorite was the guy who picked up a bag of oregano for a multi-gallon pot of spaghetti sauce, dumped a bunch in, and when he went to taste, all that oregano turned out to be MINT.
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Wed, June 28, 2006 - 5:34 PMy thank u samantha :) i do try my best ;)
ill see what other recipes i can post. i just made a great risotto hehe but thats italian ;) -
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Re: Bad bad bad bad bad chana masala.
Fri, April 25, 2008 - 6:24 PMI'm thinking about making some chana masala this weekend (and I shall attempt chapatis with them too). How about adding spinach to it? Does that taste ok? Also, I found a recipe that calls for potatoes. But I haven't found any other recipes that call for it. What do you guys think.
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Sat, April 26, 2008 - 8:15 AMadding potatoes is a good thing to channa / chole. they cook down into the sauce and turn it into a cream of sorts. i learned to make channa / chole from a great big punjabi man and he always puts a few (not too many) in his sauce.
he said to me " u kno, it makes it like a cream" hehe. he was right, and i do this still.
spinach is nice to add.
there is a regional / kind of village style (also from the punjab) preparation of chickpeas eggplant spinach and tomato. it is delicious served with piping hot puris.
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Re: Bad bad bad bad bad chana masala.
Sat, April 26, 2008 - 11:47 AMeven with the talk of the food gone wrong, you guys are making me hungry for chana masala! i love chickpeas, and this is my favorite way to eat them! -
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Re: Bad bad bad bad bad chana masala.
Sat, April 26, 2008 - 12:13 PMI loved eating boiled chana (in water with salt, in a pressure cooker) with chopped onions and cilantro. This is mid-way in the process of making chana, but it tastes good.
Apparently patience isn't a virtue of mine.
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