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CHAMALONGO

topic posted Mon, November 22, 2010 - 2:16 PM by  ORUMILA
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Chamalongo is a Kongo system of divination used in the Palo Mayombe religion

In the Palo Mayombe religion, a person seeking guidance goes to a Palero or Palera, who may perform a divination in front of the Nganga (spiritual vessel) in a few different ways. One of the most common ways is:by using four pieces of polished Coconut shell - each painted black on one side and white on the other. These shells are termed the Chamalongo or Kujamputu.

The process goes like this: 1.) The Client asks a single question. 2.) The Diviner throws the shells onto a mat. 3.) The Diviner interprets the sign. 4.) A new question is posed for added clarity or the old question is reformulated to get an appropriate answer.

There are specific procedures that are followed when throwing coconut, including precise ways to refresh the coconut pieces, specific chants and salutations made to the Spirits.

The meanings derived from the pattern of shells that may fall during a session are nearly identical to the Obi system used in Lucumi divination.

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There are five patterns that may come up during the asking of a question. They are as follows:



ALAFIA - The answer to your question is "Yes".

OOOO

When four white coconuts turn up it is good. The response to your question is "Yes". This can be a sign for good health, Peace and Tranquility and Money blockages being removed. If one coconut sits on another it is a special blessing called "Alafia with Ire". This layout signifies well-being. No need to ask again.


OTAWE - The answer to your question is a "Weak Yes".

OOOX

When three white and one Black coconut come up it means that your question may become a strong yes with spiritual work or a cleansing. Or the answer is uncertain or the Spirits are neutral. If Otawe falls there may have been a mistake in the divination procedure or the question may need to be reformulated. It is also possible that the topic of questioning is not the topic of true concern. Offer the spirits a small offering such as rum, honey, palm oil, or tobbaco. Ask again, more elaborately.


EYIFE - The answer to your question is a "Balanced Yes".

OOXX

When two white coconut and two black are turned up it is good. The response to your question is "Yes". Eyife is the strongest and most definite answer.

If the two white coconut fall on each other (touch or lay on each other) it is called "Ire" which is especially good blessing. This is a special sign! No need to ask again.


OCANA SODDE - The answer to your question is a "NO".

XXXO

When three black and one white coconut come up the answer to your question is "No".

The Reader should reformulate the question so that it can be answered. This is an important letter! First, it says you must give ebbo or sacrifice to your Eggun or Spirit for a positive outcome.

Second, you must ask again, and keep changing the question until the Spirit gives you the root problem. There is a warning here of bad magic or a negative person who is causing problems. Keep asking the Spirit until you discover where the problem lies. Once you have a "Yes" answer ( Is it my brother? Is it my neighbor? , etc.) the issue is over. The root problem must be dealt with.


OYEKU - The answer to your question is a "NO WAY!".

XXXX

When four black coconut come up it is a warning ! The Reader should immediately ask again, this time asking what Spirit a sacrifice must be given to and what it wants in order to "kill" the sign - or not allow misfortune to befall the client.

This is often an indication of witchcraft or dead spirits surrounding the client.

Doubtful that it can change. The answer to your question is "No". The Reader should reformulate the question so that it can be answered. Once again the root problem must be identified and a solution uncovered.
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  • Re: CHAMALONGO

    Mon, November 22, 2010 - 2:50 PM
    HOW TO CONSULT THE RULE TATA

    MALONGO nkisi



    ALAFIA

    While peace, happiness, but wondered for a second time for added security.
    Itaguá
    If but as it becomes safe to ask, is safety.
    Eyeife
    If very secure and will not return to ask more.
    OKANA
    No and announces something wrong, you should be fine pending
    OCANA-OYECUN
    She wondered if response to question asked, if he says no, she wondered if it is a holy speech and holy is found that, if he says no, that spirit is asked is whether it is protective, relative or friend if you want to give a message or asks for something, and who asks for it and you light a candle for the dead if it comes out twice advised to praying and talking monkey that is in bad shape.
     
    LUCERO WORLD

    ALAFIA: ALL IS WELL, YOUR BRAIN IS COMFORTABLE AND EVEN YOU. FIGHT FOR LIFE WANTS TO RESOLVE THEIR ISSUES AT ALL.
    Itaguá: IF THE INGREDIENTS ARE NOT COMPLETE CAN FALL HOME AND THAT THE RIGHT OF THIS WORK IS INCOMPLETE, YOU HAVE THE SICK ANIMO.
    ELLIFE: ALL YOU DO IS GOOD, BUT CAN BE CAREFUL TANGLED IN MATTERS OF JUSTICE, HAVE HIDDEN ENEMIES. YOU SAY YOU HAVE TO PUT IN YOUR HOME OR YOU SHUT ALL DOORS AND REMEMBER TO BE A DREAM THAT HAS BEEN, ANDE CAREFULLY TO JUMP FROM ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER MAY sprained my foot, HAS A FAMILY THAT CALLED DEAD MUST USE LINEN CAN NOT WEAR CLOTHES LINES, NO PAY MONEY, YOU HAVE OR YOUR LIFE IN DANGER.
    YOU SHOULD MAKE THE FEATHERS EBBO
    MUST PUT A YAM A LUCERO AND 5 GREEN BANANA WITH HONEY BEE.
    OKANA: STAY OF EVIL, TAKE CARE OF FALSE FRIENDS who treats WITH TWO SIDES, YOU HAVE TO GO BEFORE ASHE PROBLEMS, BE CAREFUL WITH THE DOOR OF YOUR HOUSE IS NOT A TRAP, it then appears and may harm you and you need it A CHICKEN TO REMOVE IT.
    Oyekun: HAVE INVESTIGATED WHO'S YOUR MAMA WELL IN SANTO sweetener and strangle FOR YOU BECAUSE I HATE TO DEATH, BUT WE HAVE NO PROTECTION FOR YOU.
    A CHICKEN DELE LUCERO
    OYA Rogues WITH DOVE FOR GOOD.
    STRAIGHT LINE BEGINNING AND END THE FIGHT FOR LIFE
    SARABANDA

    ALAFIA: UD TRIUMPH IN STEP WITH STEEL THAT NEITHER ANDA NOR Brew stop him BECAUSE HE IS ON YOU AND YOUR DESTRO SIDE TO PROTECT.
    Itaguá: MISSING SO MUCH AS MAY BE SUCCESSFUL ENDEAVORS, YOU ARE IN WAR WITH YOUR FRIENDS, THE PLACE TO BE in their way and charged him cocky, he defeated IF YOU DO THINGS AS IS DUE.
    DELE COCK A SARABANDA And RUÉGUESE HEAD WITH COCO FOR SUCCESS.
    ELLIFE: MAYBE IF YOU BELIEVE A LITTLE MORE ON THIS ROAD WOULD BE YOUR RELIGION CLEANER, AND THEREFORE NO DARIA offend, and THAT SOMETIMES YOU EAT FOR THIS AND SEE IN DESASOCIEGO.
    ADIMU A SARABANDA FOR 7 DAYS AND THEN to the jungle.
    Entangled in a Chuiman LO AND DO NOT FIND THAT THE CROSSING THE FOUR CORNERS PAY ATTENTION, AS YOU FOLLOW THE STEPS, A THIN WOMAN WANTS TAKE THE SAID, IF YOU ARE TRAVELING DELE.
    COCK A SARABANDA AND THREE fish to Lucero.
    OKANCA: THE LATE GREAT BECAUSE SOMEONE CALLS AROUND YOUR DAILY TRACK, A PROUD BUT YOU BELIEVE THE PRIDE IS CAUGHT THE TRUNK OF EVIL SENT
    RUÉGUESE CHICKEN HEAD WITH STAND SARABANDA and took the jungle.
    Oyekun: SAMBI ONLY DEATH CAN SAVE HIM BECAUSE THIS ATTACHED TO YOU EVERY MOMENT IS IN DANGER, DO NOT FIGHT, TAKE CARE OF APPLIANCES AND FIRE GUN.
    GIVE A GOAT A LUCERO AND GALLO A SARABANDA.
    RUÉGUESE PALOMA BLANCA WITH HEAD AND DIE OBATALA get it out.
    FIRM, FIRM PERFORMANCE
    MOUNT COVERS
     
    ALAFIA: GO TELL THAT TO DO SO WILL SUFFER AS A RESULT THEIR ENEMIES, FENCE AND STRAIGHT FORWARD STEPS TO CLEAN AND NOT SUBJECT TO THIS AT YOUR SIDE, AND THEN CALL YOU WIN IN THIS YOU WILL ENPRENDER.
    Turn on A CANDLE TO YOUR BROTHERS AND MAKE WARRIORS rum.
     
    Itaguá: ROGARSE HAVE TO HEAD FOR 3 YEARS AND RELIGION MEET YOUR WAY AND THAT THERE IS ALWAYS SOMETHING ELSE.
    ELLIFE: NOT COVERED BY MONTE UNIT HELPS YOU GO FORWARD IN THEIR PROBLEMS, GIVE SOMETHING TO THE WARRIORS for help in their efforts CLEAN. I want to grab JUSTICE, NO VISITEA DUE THIS WOMAN, DO NOT AGREE, YOU DO quwe SANTO, AND THAT NO CREE CREE CONSULTATION ON Orishas, IF YOU HAVE NO CREE NI DOLLS PRINTS AT HOME, EARN MONEY AS YOU SEE not enough to Medicaid spending NI IN PHARMACY.
    OKANA: UNEXPECTED MOVE AWAY BECAUSE OF BAD trips and BE HARD FOR MANY ENEMIES AND NO FAULT blames BY YOUR ENEMIES BECOME YOUR WAY, A LITTLE BOOK YOUR STEPS TO YOUR FAMILY AS YOU HAVE BAD EYE YOU CUT YOUR CHANCES.
    RUÉGUESE WITH CHICKEN PIE DE LUCERO TO IMPROVE YOUR STEPS.
    Oyekun: THE DEAD IS STOPPED AND YOU CAN GO FORWARD, THE DEAD IS ASKING FOR HELP TO BE ABLE TO SHOW THE WAY AND RELIEF ON AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU.
    MASS TO THE DEAD
    ROGARSE HEAD WITH PALOMA BLANCA.
    ARROW POWER
    COBAYENDE
     
    ALAFIA: DOGS ARE ALWAYS BY YOUR SIDE, THEY ARE LOOKING Seles and is sometimes gather and follow SNIFFER, WHY TAKE THE COMPANY IS ONE OF THEIR DOGS THE MESSENGERS AND THE VEN. REMOVE IT SAYS BEHIND THE DOOR, THAT THIS IS NOT YOUR PLACE, THAT MUST BE IN A CORNER AND THE WARRIORS ARE YOU MUST BE BEHIND THE DOOR, DO NOT ESTANPILLAS SANTO NI BULK IN YOUR HOUSE, YOU ONE THING YOU THINK AND LEAVE OTHER.
    Keep it an ear of roasted corn, smeared with palm oil and bread Chiquita.
     
    Itaguá: TO BE SET TO ALWAYS HAVE SOMETHING TO HEAL YOUR BODY AND ALWAYS TAKING THIS MEDICINE, TELL THAT PUT THE UNDERWEAR YOU THIS OFFERING.
    ELLIFE: ALL YOU DO IS GOOD, YOU MUST TAKE RIGHT WAY AND LIVING IN THE COMMANDMENTS OF THE OFFSPRING OF ITS PREDECESSOR AND THAT WAS BORN FOR THE RELIGION.
    OKANA: CALAMITIES ITS DUE TO YOUR PRIDE and disbelief, CLOSE THE MOUTH AND NO MORE BRASFEME not curse SO THAT STILL HAS A DAILY BREAD.
    RUÉGUESE HEAD WITH BIRDS OF LAND TO BE USED Makuta TREMBLES time for relief.
    Oyekun: THE DISEASE IS PART OF THE PLAGUE AND YOU POINT OF DEATH, AND IF YOU USE THE HUMBLE CLOTHING FOR THE TIME AND IMPROVE.
    A COCK FOR COBAYENDE And RAYAMIENTO, BE ON YOUR RIGHT THE CARING.
    BED, ILLNESS, DISABILITY TRIBULATION PENALTY
    E OUT WAR
     
    ALAFIA: NO ITEM YOU ARE STRONG AS A ROCK LIVE, BUT FEARED AND TRUST NO ONE IS THE LITTLE FAITH THAT MAKES THE THREAT AND FALL, AND DRAWING AN ENEMY YOU.
    PRAYING WITH COCO.
    Itaguá: Trips BY MANY HAS NOT GO IN A STRAIGHT LINE AND NOT HEAR MORE ADVICE FROM EXPERIENCE THAT THEY HAVE.
    DELE COCK A SARABANDA Y LUCERO
    ELLIFE: THE CHILD-CARE BUT DO NOT ABUSE THE PROTECTION THAT GIVES NO CAUSE THE IRA IS SARABANDA, BE CAREFUL NOT TO SEE INVOLVED IN A TRAGEDY OF JUSTICE.
    ROGAMIENTO HEAD AND ASK THE Nganga, WHICH WILL LEAVE THE LOMA.
    OKANA: PRIDE HAS LOST TO YOU, AND THAT IS TOO BIG CREE AND MADE THINGS unforgivable GUARDIANS OF HIS BROTHERS CALL FOR JUSTICE FOR YOU TO ACT THE WAY.
    Oyekun: THE CURSE THAT YOU HAVE BEEN RELEASED, ALEANZADO HAVE ARE MADE TO HIT THE WEAK AND HAVE TO ORDER YOUR LIFE BUT ONE ON ONE WEAK YOU ARE MORE, BUT TOGETHER AND MAKE IT A GREAT FORCE TO CRUSH YOUR HACEHAN PROTECTION AND WE WILL HAND OF DEATH.
    6 DAYS OF WHITE AND RAYAMIENTO WITH GALLO AND PALOMA BLANCA.
    IS LOOKING FOR HELP WHEN WE, moral or spiritual DISORDERLY CONDUCT IN THE PHYSICAL
    RAYS 7
     
    ALAFIA: 7 RAY SAYS THERE IS NO FEAR BECAUSE HE IS AT YOUR SIDE AND WE HELP YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE DEALING WITH PRIDE ELY SAID THAT IT WILL NOT REMOVE THE OFFERING TO THE POWER MOSTRASELO A TREMBLES LAND FOR AWARDS TO YOU, WHAT TO DO THIS RIGHT.
    ROGAMIENTO HEAD WITH FRUIT.
    Itaguá: IS FATHER OF THE PERSON OR AT THE PALO MONTE OCHA, YOU MUST TAKE CARE AND WHAT YOU THINK IS A VERY NICE PERSON BUT IT IS WRONG NOT GET THINGS FOR FREE, YOU BAD FOR YOUR CULPATODO WHAT IS THIS GOOD BUT WE NEED TO PUT A BUNCH OF INDIAN Plantano and a machete BEHIND THE DOOR. SAYS HE IS FATHER OF LAPERSONA THAT QUESTION, YOU MUST HAVE AND WE CARE BECAUSE YOU FOUND STONE AND TO FEED, OTHERWISE YOU TAKE THE CANDLE. YOUR HOUSE WILL COME NOGOCIOS MAN WITH GOOD MONEY AND OPERATIONS.
    IS THAT COOL HEAD AND HERBS WITH 4 LAVÁRSELA Chang, Yagruma, UVA, AND ALWAYS LIVE Curujey, 2 COCO, Brandy, cocoa butter, scale a wooden sword. Praying.
    MUST HAVE IN YOUR HOME A DASH OF HOLY WATER TUNA AND RED TAPE, TO COME TO LA PALMA and invoke THERE A CHANGE
    ELLIFE: YOU HAVE TO USE HIS SWORD TO DEFEND THEIR ENEMIES WITCHCRAFT SECRETS AND THERE IS READY FOR YOUR STOMACH, TAKE CARE OF YOUR FAKE FRIENDS, BECAUSE YOU HATE THE FEAR AND DO NOT KNOW ABOUT IMPERIA 7 LIGHTNING IN YOUR FAVOR.
    OKANA: THE OTHER CHASE TRAICCION SO WHAT YOU ALL GO WRONG, AND THAT HAS WALKED ON BEHALF OF WOMEN WITHOUT PUSHING DARC MIND IF WOMEN THE CONSULTANT IS THE SAME AS A RESULT OF THE MEN THAT LOOK SO RUN AWAY MONEY YOUR HANDS AND YOUR BACK AND SALT WATER AND TIMES ARE NOT FOR EATING.
    Nganga ASK FOR WHAT YOU NEED TO DO.
    Oyekun: DEAD HAVE YOU STOPPED AND DEATH CHASE, RAYAMIENTO URGENT WITH GALLO AND SHEEP FOR 7 BEAM.
    JUSTICE SWORD SLAUGHTER, everyone has to load and
    LIGHT UP YOUR CROSS, FIRE AND CAUSE PAIN CRUZ MORA
    ENDOKE CENTELLA
     
    ALAFIA: NO COMMITMENT TO DO THAT CAN NOT BE ACHIEVED THEN MUST ARREPENTIRAE OF EVERYTHING YOU HAVE DONE WRONG IN YOUR LIFE, BATHING WITH WHITE FLOWERS, FLOWERS TO OFFER YOU DEAD.
     
    Itaguá: THE PERSON IS MUERTERA, scratching and MUST WORK THE DEAD AND RELIGION.
     
    ELLIFE: IT IS INFLUENCED BY THE DEAD SLEEP WHEN, WHY SHOULD NOT RECOMMENDED FINISH, PRAYING WITH FABRIC OF 9 COLORS AND OBI, put flowers VARIED IN THE HOUSE.
     
    OKANA: SAYS THAT JUST DO NOT LIVE, BUT NOT EVERYWHERE GOAL, DO NOT PARTY TO ANY FAMILY WITHOUT ROGARSE NO HEAD, NO SANTO DO NOT START WITHOUT ALTARESA NOT FEED NOT THROW THAT IN SACO ROTO YOU SAY YOUR DREAMS, DO NOT USE RUDA, UNLESS FOR THE STOMACH.
     
    Oyekun: THIS LETTER IS VERY BAD, LE SEEKS DEATH AND THE DEVIL, RAYAMIENTO URGENT with a rooster and a hen for CENTELLA, DO NOT PUT ON BLACK, NO SIGHT LINES, DO NOT GO TO THE CEMETERY, OR A HOSPITAL, BREAK AT THE FOOT OF THE ANTE RAYAMIENTO Nganga, THE STRONG POINT OF RUIN AND DEATH.
     
    COFFIN, death, decay, disintegration, revolution, war HIDDEN VIOLENCE, DEBT PAID.
     
    LAND TREMBLES
     
    ALAFIA: DOES THE LIGHT OF THE INTELLIGENCE, WISDOM, LOVE, KINDNESS, HARMONY IS THE TOTAL PERFORMANCE. TELLS YOU APPLY AND WILL HELP, BUT YOU AND ADORE HIM MUCH to beg, DO NOT ALLOW FIGHTS AT HOME COOKING WITH WOOD NI, NO DOGS OR CATS HAVE NOT BECAUSE YOU GIVE SO MUCH TO DO, OR DO NOT EAT BEANS WHITE PIGEON, VISTA WHITE AS YOU CAN, ALWAYS WEAR A CRUCIFIX, an ON OIL LAMP WITH EATING AND 6 BITS MATEC TREMBLES COCOA FOR EARTH, GO TO CHURCH FOR THURSDAY 6 SALVES REZE 2 AND 4 AVE MARIAS AND ITS WAR TRIUMPH THAT DO NOT WORRY THE BAD LANGUAGE THAT IS WHY YOU ARE MAKING UP LANGUAGE EBBO.
    Itaguá: ALL YOU DO IS GOOD BUT SHOULD PUT IN A ADIMU LOMA.
    ELLIFE: TELLS YOU MUST REMEMBER putting OFFERING FOR 8 DAYS RUNNING PRACTICE WITH 2 CANDLES TO HELP, WITH A TOWER OF COCOA BUTTER YAM AND SKINS.
    OKANA: DO NOT AGREE TO THIS WITH YOUR CHILD AND POOR PEOPLE LIVING WITH PROSTITUTES OR GAY, SO ALL YOU GO WRONG AND BUSINESS FALL, YOU MUST LEAVE BOARD THAT BAD.

    PRAY TO EARTH WITH OFFERING TREMBLES.
    Oyekun: VA BE QUICK DEATH, DEATH came for YOU, AND NOSE IS GOING TO GO WITH EMPTY HANDS, RAYAMIENTO RUSH TO SAVE LIFE, 7 CHURCHES VISIT IN 7 DAYS AND ASK A SAMBI EVERY THURSDAY, dressed in white, NO ONE TO USE OR BLACK GARMENT OR THE SCARF.
    LIGHT, intelligence, wisdom, love, kindness, charity, humility, FLEXIBILITY, purity, harmony.
    MADRE DE AGUA



    ALAFIA: VA SAYS THAT ALL THE MONEY COMES AND GOES AND AGAIN, YOU MUST BE CAREFUL WITH THE SEA, YOU MUST BE GOOD PARENT, ALL AT SEA BUSINESS GOOD WILL.

     
    Itaguá: SAYS THAT GO TO CHURCH EVERY MONDAY OF EVERY MONTH AND WE PRAY SALVES FOUR THREE MARIAS AVE. A PROMISE TO DRESS, MUST USE BLUE DRESS, PUT TWO DOLLS and baptized with the antics of the twins, ONE RED DRESS, THE OTHER OF BLUE, VERY CAREFUL WHAT YOU FIX, THAT DEFECTS catch you WANT TO SUFFER FROM STOMACH, VERA A LIVING OUT HIS FAMILY IN THE INTERIOR, MUST BE GIVEN 7 MAR BATHS AND OFFER A 7 Fizzcrank MOTHER OF WATER WITH GOFIO cane molasses, MUST HAVE A STONE OF MAGNETIC, not curse, DO NOT LET At home they spoke ill of anyone, YOU HAVE TO WASH THE HEAD EVERY 7 DAYS, INDIGO RINSE WITH WATER, and throw FOR STREET NOT ALLOW DISCUSSION AT HOME, NO THREATENS TO ANYONE.
     
    Oyekun: SAYS THAT THE RUIN, DEATH, THE EVICTION WILL FOLLOW YOU, BE CAREFUL WITH CHILDREN CHOLA, CAN DROWN AT SEA, TO LEAVE THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES AND DRUGS.
    URGENT BREAKING AND RAYAMIENTO WITH GALLO AND DUCK.
    WHAT IS GOING AND COMING, FLEXIBILITY FORCE, MATERNITY, MATERNAL LOVE, BEGINNING OF ACTION AND REACTION, harmony of one or the other, to harmonize the two poles.
    DENGUE CHOLA



    ALAFIA: EVOLUTION, WEALTH, ALL IS WELL.

     
    Itaguá: WOMAN TELLS CHILDREN BEWARE OF 7-RAY, ARE PREGNANT
    BELLY WITH PUMPKIN ROGAMIENTO.
    CAN NOT GO TO THE HOSPITAL, NOT ONE THING LEDE A FREE, BECAUSE YOU DISABLE YOUR HANDS, YOU MUST PUT YOUR DOOR inthe Stairs A SMALL HOUSE WITH 15 STEPS CEDRO, AN EMBROIDERY PILLOW WHITE SWAN WITH YELLOW OR NOT MARRY SELE VENCERALOS OBSTACLES DO NOT SUBMIT TO HOLY, WHICH MUST hasent IS A SON OF Obba OBATALA OR, A RELATIVE OF HER BOYFRIEND MAKES THE AGAINST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT WANT TO MARRY HER, BUT DO NOT BELIEVE IN CARAZON O BELIEVE IN ANYTHING, PLEASE ASK FOR A TEST AND THE HOLY WILL GIVE A VERY BIG, MUST BE COMMENCED IN THE RULE OF PALO MONTE CONSECRATE SUSMATARIS FOR, AND YOU NEED TO KEEP AND MAINTAIN THE MUST OF PUT A LADDER OF FIFTEEN STEPS AND CEDAR IF YOU DO NOT MARRY A MAN OR WOMAN TO Quie BROUGHT THE RULE OF PALO MONTE, A RELATIVE OF BUSINESS MAKES WAR, HAVE THE STOMACH OR ABDOMEN DOCTOR VISIT, THE MARRIED TO TAKE CARE OF WHAT THEY DO NOT THEIR HOMES AND FEELINGS OR PLAY WITH THE OTHER PERSON WILL BE IN LOVE LIOS.
    ELLIFE: resounding YES
     
    OKANA: ROAD Turbio, BARRIERS, DICK.
     
    Oyekun: PROSTITUTION Turbio ROAD, DROGADICION, CURSES FOR WOMEN, WITCHCRAFT, RUIN AND DEATH WATCH YOUR HUSBAND DO NOT MATE WITH TREASON IF MAN TAKE CARE, DO NOT PUT KILLED BY CACHE URGENT BREAKING WITH CHICKEN AND RIVER RAYAMIENTO WITH CHICKEN AND ROOSTER.
    JOY, RENEW, LOVE THE CREATOR, THE BIRTH OF WEALTH AND ROADS Turbie.

    ORIYAYA



    ELLIFE: SAYS THAT IS THE SON OF THE HOLY AND NOT ESPIRITUD, DO NOT DO NOTHING SPIRITISM combiene AS THE DEVIL YOU CAN PUT IN YOUR HOME, DO NOT ANSWER THE WRONG WAY TO ELDERLY ALWAYS WEAR A NECKLACE OBATALA, COMA WITH red beans, they hurt. HEAR YOUR NEIGHBORS TALKS STUCK TO THE WALL, AND WE LOOK FOR GRILLS, MUST HAVE IN YOUR HOME A Jutía, NOT HARD HEAD, HEARD AND MILD AND RECE TIPS DAILY A CREED and invoke HIS FATHER AND SPONSOR THAT ARE DEAD.

     
    VALUABLE IDEAS PRODUCE YOUR HEAD, HEART VALUABLE
    Obba
     
    OCANA: Put a WHITE BOWL WITH WATER AND LEAVES Sandbox, 3 BIT OF COCOA BUTTER AND SEE THAT PERSON Invoke ORULA FOR THE SALVE, is in trouble ACCEPT THAT BIG IS COMING, AND DO NOT ATTEMPT TO DO ANYTHING AGAINST EVIL SAME.
    REQUEST AND NEED TO HUMBLE, FAITHFUL.
    Kabanga



    ALAFIA: ORULA SAYS NOT WASTE TIME TO SPEND MONEY IN THE GAME, YOUR PROBLEM WILL NOT SOLVE THE LOTTERY TICKETS EARLY AND DO NOT LOSE ANYTHING, THERE IS A WAR BETWEEN Oshun and Yemaya BECAUSE YOU, YOU SON ( A) OF THE INFLUENCE OF L RIO DEL MAR OR ONE OF THE TWO WILL BE YOUR YAYA AND ADVISED TO KEEP YOUR POINT, DO NOT SPEAK TOO, not to offend anyone MISSES MENO ALAS, THAT WOMAN IS IN REFERENCE NO BEWARE OF YOUR MAN SO DO NOT GIVE HEADACHES WITH WORDS OFFEND YOU AND YOU MARTIRICEN, AS THE HEART WANTS. NOT SO INpulse OR DO NOT TALK MUCH TELL THEIR SECRETS

     
    PERFECT PERFORMANCE, SECURITY, FORMEZ
    NGANGUMUNE



    Itaguá: INLE ADVISED TO USE WITH AMBER NECKLACE JET (3), CARE IF MAN WITH A MARRIED WOMAN, will be in trouble with her husband, THAT THE PERSON WHO WILL PURSUE THIS PRESGUNTA sonbre A VERY BLACK, COMES IN A BERRUGA YOUR WAY, OR TO GRAIN will become cancerous, CAN NOT EAT CRAB, NO WEAR RED OR BLUE, DO NOT EAT IN STRIPED PLATE, NO ONE WILL TOUCH THE HEAD, not curse ANYONE THAT DO EVIL TO REFER TO THE ANGEL KEEP YOUR LEFT AND QUIET, THEN GO SEE THE CORPSE OF YOUR ENEMY.

    SPEAK WITH THREE FRESH FISH CLEANING A white sheet, CANDLES, file ANY OFFERING A CHANGO EVERY FRIDAY.
     
    BATON HEALTH INVALID SUPPORT, HEALTH, LIFE AND HEALTH'RE TOGETHER, STAFF AND SNAKE, HUMAN LIFE AND TREASON.
    MARE



    OKANA: DO NOT HIT IN THE HEAD BOY TO ANY, AND THESE DO NOT RUN INTO THE HOUSE, OR THAT whistling, AS TRAGEDY WILL NOT DRINK ALCOHOL, DO NOT LET OFF THE WATER WITH CANDELA, CANDELA OR GIVE ONE, GO TO INTIMATE PARTY AND FUN BUT BEWARE, THIS POINT OF PURCHASE venereal disease.

     
    TRAGEDY AND ILLNESS, SPEAKS OF VIRGINITY
    GOLD Ibeyi



    ALAFIA: SAYS YOU ARE IN A SEPARATE ALTAR, AND MAKE SWEET TO BOTH THE SAME, HAVING ANOTHER ONE OF RED AND BLUE, DO NOT TELL added that it was their son, careful not to fall into a trap and prevent LIOS HANDS AND GAMES CAN be fatal. IF WOMEN WILL LEAVE Parai TWIN OR MARRIED WITH A TWIN SIS IS MAN AND MARRY WITH TWIN UAN, BEWARE OF CHEATING, DO GAMES AND LIOS HAND, YOU WOULD HAVE MADE A Bilong (WITCHCRAFT), YOU MUST BEGIN IN THE RULE OF PALO MONTE.

     
    THE POWER AND THE BOW'RE TOGETHER, TAKE THEIR SEATS IN THE WARRIORS
    NANABURUKU



    OKANA: SAYS GO TO THE HOSPITAL TO HAND OUT THERE FOR 12 WEDNESDAY ALMS, USE OF THE COLLAR AND THE ADORE Ibeyis, A WELL THEY SHOULD YOU DO NOT GO TO PARTIES WITHOUT PRIOR ARRANGEMENTS.

    BECOME A HEAD CLEANING RUEGUEZE.
    ANYONE KNOW WHERE YOU FIND YOUR DISGRACE, THE GOOD AND BAD'RE TOGETHER
    ARABA IROKO



    CONFESSION, THE BIRTH OF RELIGION MOTION TO REST OF LIFE, SHADOW PROTECTOR

    ODDUA



    LIGHTING THE EYE CENTER OF DIVINE PROVIDENCE, UZ IS THAT MEETS ALL LIGHT IS THE STAFF OF THE LAW.

    Eggun = DEAD



    DIRECT WORD DEAD YOUR HEAD FIRMLY, NSALA MALEKUN MALEKUNSALA, NOTICE OF SOMETHING.

    OKE

    THAT WAY WE ALL WANT TO ACHIEVE GREATNESS AND FEW COME. MOUNTAIN TOP, LEVEL OF INCOMPETENCE
    GURUNFINDA



    SECRET OF LIFE AND DEATH, LISTEN AND TALK TO YOUR CONSCIENCE, THE TRIDENT depth.

    Nsimba



    EVOLUTION AND / OR MOVE BIG CHANGE IN LIFE

    Eshu



    Birth of evil, betrayal, jealousy and death are THE PARAMETER OF YOUR LIFE, lust for power.

    Orisha-Oko
    FERTILITY, COBRA FORCE LIFE ON EARTH, WATER AND MARRIAGE TO EARTH WORSHIP OF GOOD AND EVIL.
    • Re: CHAMALONGO

      Mon, November 22, 2010 - 7:15 PM
      Baba, me puedes explicar cuando uno tiene que consultar los nkisi? when you throw the chamalongo o no?
      • Re: CHAMALONGO

        Mon, November 22, 2010 - 8:58 PM
        PLEASE COPY AND PASTE TO ME WHERE ARE YOU READING THAT SO THAT I COULD EXPLAIN IT.
        • Re: CHAMALONGO

          Tue, November 23, 2010 - 10:41 AM
          So can one use chamalongo to talk to el muerto en la teja? Or is it only used for the nganga?
          • Re: CHAMALONGO

            Tue, November 23, 2010 - 2:14 PM
            YES LUIS YO COULD USE IT FOR THAT TO.
            • Re: CHAMALONGO

              Tue, November 23, 2010 - 3:50 PM
              does the Chamalongo have to have the palero signature on it? i would think it would have it's ceremonies b4 being used for anything, right?

              Is there such a thing as sprirtual chamalongos, those that have been prepared (have some sort of ceremony) but are not signed?
              • Re: CHAMALONGO

                Tue, November 23, 2010 - 7:47 PM
                @ Luis not my knowledge no. And I practice both santeria and palo. Paleros do have the chamalongo's and in Santeria we use them to ask are eleguas questions. My padrino who is a Baka funla/ or TaTa dose not have fitamas on his chamalongo's Nore does my mom who is a yaya. Now I could be wrong and then agin some house's do things different. But this is what I know from my knowledge
                • Re: CHAMALONGO

                  Tue, November 23, 2010 - 7:50 PM
                  And as for the ceremony don't to them not sure. My padrino who was a babalow gave them to me for my warriors but he never said any special ceremony had been done to them.
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                    Re: CHAMALONGO

                    Tue, November 23, 2010 - 10:32 PM
                    JEREMY EVERTHING IN THIS RELIGION HAVE SOME KIND OF CEREMONY LIKE I EXPLAIN THEY NEED TO BE WASH WITH OSAIN AND BE FED WITH EGGUN YOU KNOW.
              • Re: CHAMALONGO

                Tue, November 23, 2010 - 10:29 PM
                YOU COULD USE IT SPIRITUALY AND YOU DO WHAT THE SPIRITIES DO ON THERE NORMALY RUTINE, YOU KNOW WASHING IT WITH A DEW HERBS AND BLOWING SOME SMOKE CIGAR AND SOME RUM AND SAYING YOU NORMALY PRAYERS AND CALLING YOUR EGGUNS.
              • Re: CHAMALONGO

                Tue, November 23, 2010 - 10:33 PM
                YOUR RIGHT ON BOTH COUNT.
                • Re: CHAMALONGO

                  Tue, November 23, 2010 - 11:08 PM
                  ah ok, i was just checking, i got mine like that, Orunmila, mine are not signed, but were washed and were kept in el muerto for a while, other things were done to them, i just wasn't told what, lol
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                    Re: CHAMALONGO

                    Wed, November 24, 2010 - 6:26 AM
                    Your right I forgot to mention that part of washing with the herbs and all. Sorry about that.
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    • Re: CHAMALONGO

      Wed, December 8, 2010 - 10:13 PM
      Kiambote mis mpangui y mpanguimuanas, mbota mbario soberano! Muchas gracias hermano orumila por la information. Voy a dar una breve discription de como a mi me ensenyaron el tratado de los chamalongos. Para empezar el chamalongo significa en kongo a espanyol el caracol que habla. El caracol aguanta mucho misterio y sin embargo en tierra africana como aqui en los estados unidos y en cuba se usaba para decorar las tumbas de los nganguleros....como decir que este tata o yaya cruso kalunga...basicamente dejar su cuerpo que es compuesto de mayormente agua....que ayi es de donde nacimos....el systema de tirar chamalongo de 4, vino de los lukumis pero sin embargo hay munansos que tiran 7 hasta 21. El la regla mayombe de pinar del rio, cuba no se tiraba chamalongo se hacia adivinacion con fula o con nfumbe. Esta methodo de tirar chamalongo vino cojiendo mas popularidad cuando empezo la regla palo briyumba a cojer momentum..y despues para kimbisa. El mayombero de tiempo de antes consultaba con su mpaka menzu. Que antes tambien eran differentes que lo que hay hoy en dia. Cuando los 4 caracoles caen al suelo no necesariamente significa que hay algo malo en el ambiente...eso depende en como las tiradas antes de esa salen y en que posicion estan callendo....mayormente cuando un tata esta tirando chamalongo el se concentra mas en como caen que en las repuestas si o no. Gracias hermano orumila por permitir que yo de mi opinion y gracias por acceptarme aqui en su forum.
      • Re: CHAMALONGO

        Wed, December 8, 2010 - 10:21 PM
        PARA MI ES UN GRAN HONOR QUE PARTICIPES DE MI SITIO Y ASI YO APRENDO UN POCO MAS DE COSAS QUE YO DESCONOSCO .
        DA TODAS LAS OPINIONES QUE QUIERAS QUE SERAN BIEN RECIBIDAS.
        SALA MALENKON MUCHA LUZ PARA TI Y TU FAMILIA Y TUS ESPIRITUS..

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