...I didn't see this covered here, but I was wondering how much influence/input he had in the bands sound. From what I have been reading in the last year, it seems his percussive/rhythmic input is what 'made' Kraftwerk from T.E.E. to E.C. I personally can hear the gaping absence of his influence in T.D.F., they are just not the same methinks...
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Re: Karl Bartos
Fri, December 23, 2005 - 9:48 AMDidnt he play on "The Mix" too?
Anyways, when I hear his solo works I would imagine he played a bit of a part in Kraftwerks "pop" sound. It hard to say though.
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Re: Karl Bartos
Sun, January 22, 2006 - 2:12 PMActually, NO...he did not play on "the Mix" ...The Mix" was just the 2 original founding members....Ralf Hutter & Florian Schneider. But I do LOVE Bartos' solo cd's, especially his 1st one from 1993. Bartos actually did play a fairly worthwhile part in his contributions to Kraftwerks "pop" sound. (as well as Wolfgang Flur...who the band SADLY had a falling out with.)
...If you look at ANY new CD RE-RELEASES of the albums that W. Flur was on...you will see that his NAME/CREDITS have been REMOVED!!) Wolfgang talks a LOT about this in his book "I was a Robot"... i.e. how Flur & Bartos( who were the poorer ones) opinions were not as "important" as Schneider & Hutter(the rich "snobby" ones -as Flur puts it)...who stuck together more as they were more materialistic, as they came from very wealthy homes.
I did actually met Florian once. ...it was backstage @ the 1998 LA gig....he was pretty cool considering I did NOT belong back there, and security actually tried to make me leave...but he(Florian) said it was ok, and he signed a few albums. The show was one of the BEST gigs i have EVER been to! -
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Sun, January 22, 2006 - 4:48 PMThats sad, I know they (Ralf and Florian) were pissed when that book came out. But regardless of whatever happened thats no reason to take his name off the credits as being a member of the group.
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NOT so... (from a Karl Bartos interview regarding "The Mix")
Mon, January 23, 2006 - 9:24 PMIt was not Ralf and Florian with the major input on The Mix (read below)
"As suggested elsewhere in this piece, all was evidently not well in camp Kraftwerk even prior to the arduous five-year production of The Mix compilation album -- so much so that first percussionist Wolfgang Flur, and then Karl jumped ship prior to that record's eventual release in mid-1991.
Karl: "I did all the programming on that record; they didn't credit me, though. The original idea was to make a 'Best Of Kraftwerk'-type record with which to enter the '90s. This was a cool idea by Bob Kratzner from Elektra, our record company in the States; but Ralf wasn't keen on putting a record out without getting his hands dirty! Maybe he thought it was a funny business idea or something. It didn't really appeal to him, so he came up with the idea of making a remix record. He was really thinking ahead, but I think if you made the original record, you shouldn't do the remix yourself. Somebody else should have done it." -
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Re: NOT so... (from a Karl Bartos interview regarding "The Mix")
Tue, January 24, 2006 - 2:32 AMwow! ...I didn't know that, so Bartos WAS involved in the Mix! I guess you really DO learn something new every day!
I knew that Karl had his probs. with Kraftwerk too...not unlike Wolfgang....But, I did not know that they took HIS credits/name off the album and the 2 cd singles(The Robots & Radioactivity) ALSO!! ...that's too bad.
Thanks for that bit of info. Chris. :-) By the way, where did you get that Bartos interview from? ...as I would like to read the rest of it, If you have it.
But, now that I think about it (as I am actually listening to The Mix right now )....I CAN kind of "hear" his work on the Mix, ...it makes sense that Karl did the programming, because it seems a bit TOO upbeat & "pop" sounding for just Ralf & Florian to of done that.., ( Now as I am listening to it, I can REALLY hear Karl's "pop" sound especially on tracks like "pocket calculator" & "dentaku", and even on "home computer" & "music non-stop" as well)
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Re: NOT so... (from a Karl Bartos interview regarding "The Mix")
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Re: Karl Bartos
Mon, December 10, 2007 - 6:18 AMDear Chris,
Bartos was the writer of many of the catchy rythyms. Esp "Numbers". He had his own studio in Dusseldorf where he would work on his stuff and then present it to Hutter and Schneider who would decide whether it fit into the "concept".
He, of course, sang Telephone Call but only after they had him run up and down the stairs a few times to get a particular tonal effect. They had already tried this for the lyrics of the original Tour de France EP.
Unfortunately, the writing was on the wall for Electric Cafe when they had to get Fred maher in at the least minute to tidy up the funky sounds. Fred Maher was famous for the funky stuff he did for Scritti Politti. It seems that they were extremely nervous of its release and had almost decided to scrap Electric Cafe altogether. Note that they had already scrapped Techno Pop. Unfortunately the record company wanted their pound of flesh and demanded it be released "no matter what".
