http://tribes.tribe.net/7eab5e20-e8cd-40b6-8637-f631e44d40f3 Tribe.net. Local Connections http://tribes.tribe.net/7eab5e20-e8cd-40b6-8637-f631e44d40f3/thread/303b5e68-7c97-4815-ade5-0e4643643931#f1fcc63b-ec0b-41a8-b66b-c6e2ecd5441c Truth is it's still assumptions based on faith. All inferences on post death are assumptions and can always be challenged. But. In my frame of personal history, I have been a witness of heavenly interventions. So named because I named them. So interpreting what happened as heavenly interventions I concluded for my personal mythology that it was not indeed Martian intervention and I could safely remove my foil hat. I have also concluded that heavenly interventions could very well be the work of heavenly foci. Now. All interventions in my experience have been in the form of real force. Unmistakable guidance toward a work I did not expect that I would be able to accomplish. That is the work of healing women shattered by sexual violence. You seem to be correct. The soul does seem to 'shatter', often after a terrible violence. The wonder is that something special can occur to reverse this pain. People can trust , love, and resume. I feel good about it. Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:13:24 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/303b5e68-7c97-4815-ade5-0e4643643931#f1fcc63b-ec0b-41a8-b66b-c6e2ecd5441c Jack 2009-07-04T13:13:24Z http://tribes.tribe.net/7eab5e20-e8cd-40b6-8637-f631e44d40f3/thread/d915113a-d663-4cfc-a5c4-7c2089825b26#2bca41c4-80fa-40e0-9709-292ef5db2dd0 The glory of annadaana Anna daanaat param daaann na butham na bhavishyati Naatra paatra vichaa roshti nakaala niyamastaa Among all the virtues annadaana is the highest virtue. Annam prajapathi sakshat Vishnu shiva swayam Tasmaat anna samam daanam na bhutham na bhavisyati “there is no virtue like annadaana. Among all the various daanas annadaana is the most highest.’ . its verily the form of shiva and Vishnu The merits of performing severe tapas, millions of japa and devata pujana are attain by just feeding a hungry person. The person who feeds the needy is like a person who gave them life. Every single anna (rice ) contain in the food given to the poor and the needy will destroy the sin done in one birth! The vedaas hail anna (food) as the form of Brahman as it’s the source of life. ( annam bramhethi vyajaanaat)This can be seen in thaitiriya Upanishad Gaja duraga sahasram gokulam koti daanam Kanakha rajata paatram medhini sakharantham Upaya kula vishuddham koti kanya pradaanam Nahi nahi bahu daanam annadaanam samaapa The merit obtained by doing one single annadaana cannot be compared even to the daana phala of thousand elephants, horses and cattels, by giving a way thousands of gifts made of gold and silver, by giving the whole land and sea on earth, by conducting kanya daana (wedding) for 1 crore kanyas. This shows the greatness of annadaana. Annadaana is a very important part in mantra purascarana . where one has to perform dashamsa homa, dashamsa tarpana and dashamsa annadaana. Without annadaana mantra siddhi is not achieveable and the purascarana is incomplete.the whole benefit of the mantra siddhi is obtained through this annadaana. The reason behind this is, annadaana removes the shortcomings in the purascarana karma and makes it complete.it removes the bakti lobha, mantra lobha and kriya lobha.. And bestows perfection. Our guruji always say “…. If u ask me whether a person who has done millions of japa and did severe tapas is higher or the person who has fed 100 people in his lifetime….. the answer will be the person who fed the 100 persons” all the punya phalas promised in the scriptures are attained easily by feeding the poors and the sadhus. Normal persons who don’t know how to do worship, japa etc can get the similar benefit in multiple folds by just feeding the needy and the sadhus. If u give money to a person he will not be satisfied, if u give gold, vastra etc… still the same…. He will want more…….but he can only eat until his stomach gets full. He himself will say enough and goes home satisfied. Feeding the sadhus and shiva baktas ia a great blessings for mankind. Its like feeding shiva himself , as they are the human form of shiva. Its very rare to get an opportunity to feed a holy men. If got…. It shouldn’t be missed. Feeding a holy men can remove all our obstacles in life and spiritual path, and it blesses with wisdom. All past karmas are washed away the moment you feed a sadhu. Thats the power of annadaana! Annapoorne sadha purne sankara praana vallabhe nyana vairagya siddhyartham biksham dhehi cha parvathi! Please click the following link and join us in our annadaana seva in kashi.Various rare homas being conducted to raise funds for the annadaana programe. Devotees may participate in the homas and gain the benefit of the homa and doing annadaana in kashi kshetra. We need lots of helping hand in making this seva a success , as this cant be done by a single person. http://jdayal2000.startlogic.com/store/index.html hara hara mahadeva !!!!!! Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:33:00 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/d915113a-d663-4cfc-a5c4-7c2089825b26#2bca41c4-80fa-40e0-9709-292ef5db2dd0 rakesh 2009-07-02T20:33:00Z http://tribes.tribe.net/7eab5e20-e8cd-40b6-8637-f631e44d40f3/thread/303b5e68-7c97-4815-ade5-0e4643643931#d3aa4011-5443-42e6-8e12-ec7f87fa55c9 Dear Shambhalanth/Shambhalanath You repeat: "You crossposted to several other tribes telling them to see your post here." I know that I have NOT crossposted to any other tribes, so I am still looking forward to see your proof here...! I have posted a short post on this tribe, with the title "The higher purpose of Sacred Sex in our time", telling people to go to this topic, because having actually only 47 characters of title to present my topic is VERY little. If I could choose a title that I find adequate and suitable, then it would probably be: "The higher purpose of Sacred Sex in our time - about the missing understandings of the traditions of sacred sex" But that is 111 characters... If the moderator of the tribe can configure the title-length, then I would be the first to approve of much longer titles! I have considered drawing the attention of members of related tribes to my post, and if one does so, then maybe it would be appropriate to start or end the title with the word 'crosspost'. (Since English is not my mother tongue, this word is new to me.) But I still can't see how it can be egotistical to say that we are not meant to age and die (and reincarnate)...? On the contrary, it should be a great relief for everybody, that we can finally let go of ageing and death and transform and achieve the eternal life that is the promise of several of the world religions. But of course it is also a huge task and responsibility to begin to discover and release all the judgemental and locking misunderstandings that have created death and reincarnation again and again and again... It's much "easier" to reject everything and just let death (and eternal pain...) take over. But if it feels right for you to just continue to age and so on, then do that. I am only here to give my message to those who are NOT contented or satisfied with continuing ageing, death and reincarnation. Love, Henrik Rosenø Sun, 21 Jun 2009 11:38:06 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/303b5e68-7c97-4815-ade5-0e4643643931#d3aa4011-5443-42e6-8e12-ec7f87fa55c9 Henrik 2009-06-21T11:38:06Z http://tribes.tribe.net/7eab5e20-e8cd-40b6-8637-f631e44d40f3/thread/303b5e68-7c97-4815-ade5-0e4643643931#e9e5a939-a31d-4343-b1d4-ef89bc2bc777 You crossposted to several other tribes telling them to see your post here. The only lack of logic has been your inability to understand your problem of moving from the specific to the general without and evidence to support such a move. It is unfortunate for your posts that I have already gone through enough personal and spiritual evolution to see through your egotism and logical errors. It is fortunate for me that I continue to spiritually and personally evolve. It is my hope that others will look at your posts and even go to your website, see through your dogmatism and egotism and take from it any value they find. It is also my hope that one day, on your path of spiritual and personal evolution, you see through and get past your "my way or the highway" egotism. If I were to come to a Tribe and start posting that Henrik is an idiot, I'm sure you'd object. I would hope that others would object, too, and demand proof of my contention. (And by the way, I don't think you're an Idiot.) By the same token, though, you've made a claim here, but you refuse to defend your claim other than saying that you "feel" it must be so. Do you really think that if someone posted that Henrik was an idiot and was challenged to prove it, simply saying that they feel it must be so and therefore it is so would be valid? I don't think so. But at least you seem to be mellowing in your post and no longer demanding that your personal revelation is "the missing understanding" of sacred sexuality. Now you merely say that this is what you've discovered and level it to others to determine what they feel about it for themselves. That's reasonable. That's logical. That's fair. If you had simply put out that attitude at the beginning instead of your egotism and lack of logic, there would have been nothing for me to respond to. Imagine that! Sun, 21 Jun 2009 07:34:06 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/303b5e68-7c97-4815-ade5-0e4643643931#e9e5a939-a31d-4343-b1d4-ef89bc2bc777 Shambhalanth 2009-06-21T07:34:06Z http://tribes.tribe.net/7eab5e20-e8cd-40b6-8637-f631e44d40f3/thread/303b5e68-7c97-4815-ade5-0e4643643931#7774d33a-7055-4c6c-8fe5-b801f952627e Dear Shambhalanth/Shambhalanath Your "logic" (or lack of logic...) is 'driving in a circle' by now, so I doubt there is much point in continuing this talk at cross purposes much longer. If you had had any desire for personal or spiritual evolution, then you would have discovered from my first post, that the question of ageing and death is at the center of what I am talking about here, and not something that I am suddently drawing in. You talk alot about proving things... so please tell me what other tribes I have crossposted to...? Because I can't find such crossposts...! They don't show up when I configure a module of 'My Recent Activity' here on Tribe.net. And needless to say they do not pop up from my memory either... So someone else must be claiming to be me... Very interesting indeed...! I don't see it as my job to prove anything. I see it as my job, among other things, to communicate what I have discovered or concluded from my experiences, and what you do with it is entirely for you to decide. Love, Henrik Rosenø Sat, 20 Jun 2009 22:32:26 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/303b5e68-7c97-4815-ade5-0e4643643931#7774d33a-7055-4c6c-8fe5-b801f952627e Henrik 2009-06-20T22:32:26Z http://tribes.tribe.net/7eab5e20-e8cd-40b6-8637-f631e44d40f3/thread/303b5e68-7c97-4815-ade5-0e4643643931#ab505031-6ba0-4853-a409-d53baa5ec0c8 No, Henrik, I'm not "defending a right to age and die," although unlike you, if that's what people want, I wouldn't deny them that right. What I'm saying is that you have not proved your claim, that you are coming from your own ego, and that you don't even understand the false logic of your claims. You may be right! Far be it from me to deny it. But the homeless guy pushing a cart down Hollywood Blvd. wearing a tin-foil hat claiming that the Martians are trying to take over his mind may be right, too. Most of us feel pity or laugh at that guy on Hollywood not just because he looks funny, but because he believes something without any proof. While you don't look funny, you've provided not one whit of proof except that you "feel" this way, a statement that a person you quote would call "deluded." So you provide no proof and a person you admire calls you deluded, but you crosspost to several tribes, spreading your egotism with all of your "I feels." You started out claiming to post about "the missing understanding of the traditions of sacred sex," when all you were really doing was trying to drive people to your website. Now, because I've stood up to your lack of logic you've mutated this to a focus on aging and dying. I repeat, you may be right. Now, get rid of the egotism and the lack of logic and show why anyone else should believe it. If it works for you, that's great...for you. That doesn't mean your feelings match those of anyone else. Sat, 20 Jun 2009 15:51:37 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/303b5e68-7c97-4815-ade5-0e4643643931#ab505031-6ba0-4853-a409-d53baa5ec0c8 Shambhalanth 2009-06-20T15:51:37Z http://tribes.tribe.net/7eab5e20-e8cd-40b6-8637-f631e44d40f3/thread/303b5e68-7c97-4815-ade5-0e4643643931#d361408e-cd81-454a-8675-af4fbf0e0fe1 Dear Shambhalanth/Shambhalanath Can you see or feel that you are defending a right to age and die? If that is what you want, then I will not try to force you to choose anything else. I am only here to offer a different way for those who are tired of death and reincarnation, like myself. But if you think you are being spiritual or seeking truth while (consciously or unconsciously) 'hanging on to' ageing and death, then YOU are the deluded... Love, Henrik Rosenø Sat, 20 Jun 2009 13:30:55 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/303b5e68-7c97-4815-ade5-0e4643643931#d361408e-cd81-454a-8675-af4fbf0e0fe1 Henrik 2009-06-20T13:30:55Z http://tribes.tribe.net/7eab5e20-e8cd-40b6-8637-f631e44d40f3/thread/303b5e68-7c97-4815-ade5-0e4643643931#a58c5f42-5001-4be0-90b0-4ae9c1f80e57 "I have tried," "my text," "my website," "I will start by quoting the first chapter of my text..." "I feel quite strongly that it cannot possibly be..." I can hear (and feel)..." "I KNOW that my memories of past lives are memories of past lives. 'simply' because I can FEEL that is what it must be." For someone who claimed not to be egotistical, that's an awful lot of "I" words and basing everything on your experience while not acknowledging that others might feel something differently. I do agree with your quote from Staal: "We have a habit of mentalizing our experience. Mentalizing our feelings, is to say that we think our feelings instead of feeling our feelings. When we think our feelings we delude ourselves into believing that we actually deal with our true feelings." I would hope that you would see that his words not only apply to everyone, but they also apply to you. You wrote that reincarnation is true because you can "FEEL that is what must be." Staal writes that "When we think our feelings we delude ourselves into believing that we actually deal with our true feelings." I wish you could see how you are deluding yourself. No, I'm not saying you're wrong. I don't know you, nor do I claim to. So I will say that you are 100% correct FOR YOU. However, I am saying that you are generalizing the specific. You are saying that what is right for you must be right for everyone else. Respectfully, this is simply not true. What you're saying may be correct for some, but it will be completely untrue for others. So who is right in this? Everyone. You're right for you. I'm right for me. He's right for him and she's right for her. The mistake is in assuming that is right for you is right for all. I'd be mistaken, too, if I assumed that what's right for me is right for everyone. I congratulate you on your search for truth. I honor and respect those who seek truth and spirituality. I worry about those who claim to have found what works for everyone. Sooner or later, they don't try to convince people with words, they switch to swords, guns, and bombs. Bin Laden is sure he had the only truth. Bush was sure he had the only truth. Do you really want to be linked with either of them? Fri, 19 Jun 2009 23:44:54 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/303b5e68-7c97-4815-ade5-0e4643643931#a58c5f42-5001-4be0-90b0-4ae9c1f80e57 Shambhalanth 2009-06-19T23:44:54Z http://tribes.tribe.net/7eab5e20-e8cd-40b6-8637-f631e44d40f3/thread/b8709b76-f2bf-4c88-b99e-3ab7b075b9a1#aea550bd-f1d0-4fa8-bd97-9e365d495b78 Sardonyx, I would have to respectfully disagree. You can put up your list, and I can put up another that wold "prove" the way to divinity is through multiple sexual partners. I would add that if you read the St. Paul was a misogynist and Martin Luther was a virulent anti-Semite. By your logic, monogamy and/or celibacy leads to anti-Semitism and misogyny. I wouldn't call that "spiritual." Martin Luther King, Jr., was known to have had several mistresses, so I wouldn't say he counts as walking the walk of monogamy. The current Dalai Lama may be celibate, but past Dalai Lamas have been highly sexual. We don't have complete records of the life of Jesus (assuming someone as described in the Gospels actually existed), and several books, both scholarly and popular, have indicated that Jesus may have been gay. Other books have him married to Mary and others point out that he frequently spent time with prostitutes. None of these books or assumptions prove anything, but they are not disproven, either, so we really can't determine the sexuality or sexual practices of Jesus without more evidence which, IMO, is unlikely to appear. So therefore, your comment, "So if you want to be spiritual, better quit sex," is neither true nor false. Rather, it is unproven. I would be more inclined to say that each person is different and may require different things to achieve spirituality. Also, your statement, "An exception you might want to think about, are the vama marga tantrics, who shag anything that moves in the name of mysticism. Often while sitting on corpses," is also false. There certainly is at least one sect of vama marga Tantrics, the Aghoris, who practice sex in charnel houses in some situations. Most vama marg Tantrics do not. Your statement would be tantamount to saying that because Roman Catholic priests are (supposedly) celibate that all Roman Catholics are celibate. Fri, 19 Jun 2009 23:31:20 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/b8709b76-f2bf-4c88-b99e-3ab7b075b9a1#aea550bd-f1d0-4fa8-bd97-9e365d495b78 Shambhalanth 2009-06-19T23:31:20Z http://tribes.tribe.net/7eab5e20-e8cd-40b6-8637-f631e44d40f3/thread/b8709b76-f2bf-4c88-b99e-3ab7b075b9a1#5889a97c-d77f-40fc-82d2-574c07b6c724 " i didn't actually see anyone on the list that was known above all, for their connection to divinity, and since that's our primary topic here, could you provide some so i could do further research? the list of modern and historical serial monogamists/celibates that have made major contributions to spiritual enlightenment would be exhaustive: buddha, jesus (i actually think he was not celibate but monogamous), mother teresa, teresa of avila, martin luther king jr, gandhi, alice bailey, paramahansa yogananda, the dali lama, chogyam trungpa, joseph campbell, and caroline myss to name the first dozen that come to mind." Actually, that list could as well be described as historical serial monogamists/celibates/polygamists. The point being that most of the religious leaders are celibates - nothing remotely serial monogamist about them. The following are those known as spiritual leaders, and so far as I know, are pure monogamists. "buddha, jesus, mother teresa, teresa of avila, paramahansa yogananda, the dali lama, chogyam trungpa" You can add St. Paul, Martin Luther, St. Francis, and any one of a large number of celibate monks, nuns, etc. " martin luther king jr, gandhi," These are monogamists (sort of - Ghandi was a dubious example), and they are principally political movers - to be included with Mandela, etc. As Ghandi became more spiritually inclined, as he aged, he became more celibate. "alice bailey, joseph campbell, and caroline myss" I wouldnt call these great spiritual leaders. More philosophers and cult-founders. Intellectual, but not that spiritual. You wont find them in a cave in a hillside. So we can conclude that mystics tend to avoid sex altogether, political activists and social movement leaders (including cult-movements) tend to be at least monogamous, while A-types - including many great artists, thinkers, poets, scientists - tend to be more sexually active, and more inclined to break social taboos from homosexuality to polyamory. So if you want to be spiritual, better quit sex. An exception you might want to think about, are the vama marga tantrics, who shag anything that moves in the name of mysticism. Often while sitting on corpses. Fri, 19 Jun 2009 21:17:28 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/b8709b76-f2bf-4c88-b99e-3ab7b075b9a1#5889a97c-d77f-40fc-82d2-574c07b6c724 Sardonyx 2009-06-19T21:17:28Z http://tribes.tribe.net/7eab5e20-e8cd-40b6-8637-f631e44d40f3/thread/6ea725da-e6e7-4e90-a14e-15a42553c138#54f8e59f-73cd-409d-9a5d-94a0e0209e27 Dear everybody This post is an attempt to draw your attention to another post, that might as well have had the title above, but you can find it under the title/topic "The missing understandings of the traditions of sacred sex" here in this tribe. You can also use the following short redirection link: http://transformation.se/sacredsex.html Love, Henrik Rosenø Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:05:51 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/6ea725da-e6e7-4e90-a14e-15a42553c138#54f8e59f-73cd-409d-9a5d-94a0e0209e27 Henrik 2009-06-19T13:05:51Z http://tribes.tribe.net/7eab5e20-e8cd-40b6-8637-f631e44d40f3/thread/df004523-a078-411b-acca-5c16c73b4735#b231deb8-7fed-469c-9b7f-2c9b334ed4a8 Please post courses under "events" rather in discussions. Thank you. Wed, 17 Jun 2009 06:12:27 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/df004523-a078-411b-acca-5c16c73b4735#b231deb8-7fed-469c-9b7f-2c9b334ed4a8 *B* 2009-06-17T06:12:27Z http://tribes.tribe.net/7eab5e20-e8cd-40b6-8637-f631e44d40f3/thread/af7ca60a-2eea-4eda-a250-4264978d002b#dbe5f7e7-104a-4de0-ac74-67426c7da5b7 Plese post this kind of topic under "events" rather than as a discussion. Thank you. Wed, 17 Jun 2009 06:10:51 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/af7ca60a-2eea-4eda-a250-4264978d002b#dbe5f7e7-104a-4de0-ac74-67426c7da5b7 *B* 2009-06-17T06:10:51Z http://tribes.tribe.net/7eab5e20-e8cd-40b6-8637-f631e44d40f3/thread/0b52a994-fdf8-48d3-8c65-eab5c3f7dee5#a7f5c73e-6c9f-441a-9791-9f2e19e00bde A friend of mine, Laurelei Black, has written a book, "Aphrodite's Priestess," (Asteria Books; the new edition of a book formerly titled "In Her Service") which takes a modern look at this. The book is erudite without being boring, theoretical and practical. She is a true priestess of Aphrodite. She examines a variety of terms for women who service humanity and the Goddess with everything from discussion, training, and counseling to therapy, intimacy, and yes, sometimes sexual activity of all sorts, including intercourse. She analyzes different terms for this sacred profession: slut, whore, priestess, hierodule, quadishtu/qadesh, call girl, and courtesan, but ends up concluding that the best term, for her, is "Sacred Prostitute." She gives a lot of reasons for her choice of this term. I respect her choice, but due to my training (and my upbringing), I don't think the term "prostitute" is accurate. Today, if you go to any church, they collect money for the services. Synagogues traditionally don't collect money for the services, but want people to become paid members. Therapists collect money for their services. Police officers collect money, a salary, for their services. None are called prostitutes. IMO women (and men) who perform this sacred service are priestesses and priests. There are people who simply trade sexual favors for money of things. They are, indeed, prostitutes. I say that without any negative connotation to the term. However, I would say that simply slapping "sacred" in front of "whore" or "prostitute" doesn't really present what is going on. IMO, Priests and Priestesses focus on the spiritual aspects. Whores and prostitutes focus on the exchange of money. A priest or priestess is focused on the spiritual. In this discussion, it may deal with sexuality. A whore or prostitute focuses on the exchange of money for sex. It may or may not deal with spirituality. So for my friend Laurelei, Sacred Prostitute is it. I still don't like either Sacred Prostitute or Sacred Whore and prefer the simpler and precise term Priest or Priestess. YMMV Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:13:49 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/0b52a994-fdf8-48d3-8c65-eab5c3f7dee5#a7f5c73e-6c9f-441a-9791-9f2e19e00bde Shambhalanth 2009-06-16T22:13:49Z http://tribes.tribe.net/7eab5e20-e8cd-40b6-8637-f631e44d40f3/thread/0b52a994-fdf8-48d3-8c65-eab5c3f7dee5#4b62f6e0-2fd9-43c1-a942-fea1a5bcfe6e i really enjoy reading your posts all ways always informative and articulate thanks for sharing Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:41:28 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/0b52a994-fdf8-48d3-8c65-eab5c3f7dee5#4b62f6e0-2fd9-43c1-a942-fea1a5bcfe6e Satya 2009-06-16T16:41:28Z http://tribes.tribe.net/7eab5e20-e8cd-40b6-8637-f631e44d40f3/thread/0b52a994-fdf8-48d3-8c65-eab5c3f7dee5#3a356e9b-069e-4e32-8b02-c821f0af1c54 i feel in my soul sacred union or temples sacred umion is most appropiate Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:39:46 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/0b52a994-fdf8-48d3-8c65-eab5c3f7dee5#3a356e9b-069e-4e32-8b02-c821f0af1c54 Satya 2009-06-16T16:39:46Z http://tribes.tribe.net/7eab5e20-e8cd-40b6-8637-f631e44d40f3/thread/0b52a994-fdf8-48d3-8c65-eab5c3f7dee5#da572422-0f74-46f2-aa8b-cbfb3b22ef90 peep show 50 cents plays is the background Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:35:14 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/0b52a994-fdf8-48d3-8c65-eab5c3f7dee5#da572422-0f74-46f2-aa8b-cbfb3b22ef90 Satya 2009-06-16T16:35:14Z http://tribes.tribe.net/7eab5e20-e8cd-40b6-8637-f631e44d40f3/thread/0b52a994-fdf8-48d3-8c65-eab5c3f7dee5#fe33b8f9-20ba-44da-94ac-c81787347c4e im also seriouxly having balancing issues-- how to ride smoothly when you interchange sacred intimacy and create a child and are deeply inlove but wont tell each other it? to release this attachment lose the drama keep my family together this 'hur golden vision not to be jealouase and let wounds that i am not capable to heal just yet myself be healed my sharing with another and not fear to never see thier face again or feel their lighting in this hur life to be patient and try not to wonder but all ways wander every which way but home Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:33:19 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/0b52a994-fdf8-48d3-8c65-eab5c3f7dee5#fe33b8f9-20ba-44da-94ac-c81787347c4e Satya 2009-06-16T16:33:19Z http://tribes.tribe.net/7eab5e20-e8cd-40b6-8637-f631e44d40f3/thread/0b52a994-fdf8-48d3-8c65-eab5c3f7dee5#5f923798-aeba-49bf-b39b-b9c5e9406de0 this man is soul spurting my life story can i get a witness Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:29:03 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/0b52a994-fdf8-48d3-8c65-eab5c3f7dee5#5f923798-aeba-49bf-b39b-b9c5e9406de0 Satya 2009-06-16T16:29:03Z http://tribes.tribe.net/7eab5e20-e8cd-40b6-8637-f631e44d40f3/thread/0b52a994-fdf8-48d3-8c65-eab5c3f7dee5#35c1eee5-fe9f-4868-a53d-48721bb2450a sacred candle lite crevic sacred nagrita hole Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:26:35 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/0b52a994-fdf8-48d3-8c65-eab5c3f7dee5#35c1eee5-fe9f-4868-a53d-48721bb2450a Satya 2009-06-16T16:26:35Z http://tribes.tribe.net/7eab5e20-e8cd-40b6-8637-f631e44d40f3/thread/0b52a994-fdf8-48d3-8c65-eab5c3f7dee5#b5b6d846-2097-47a3-b0ee-29fd1c845550 trud dat tru dat da da dat dat i with you on this but see my mind is changing as its figuring it.... my last partner soul mate we created our sun instantaniously see he needed to come thru us to continue on some souls called down and mainfested with some of our very dear friends right here in this collected tribe well those spirits work on the other side bedoquins bring these messages strong* so this time now with babe on tit- im am entering a new phase of protection of manifestaion and how to engage soul interaction on a completly etheric senual spiritual vibration point being * listen and be aware of the lessons being presented so that we need not repeat pain suffering jah = love regardless of pain or passion its our interpretation and how we do right by it Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:23:31 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/0b52a994-fdf8-48d3-8c65-eab5c3f7dee5#b5b6d846-2097-47a3-b0ee-29fd1c845550 Satya 2009-06-16T16:23:31Z http://tribes.tribe.net/7eab5e20-e8cd-40b6-8637-f631e44d40f3/thread/8b56a335-0fc8-4757-8c59-2ba9b770064e#fbc7eca1-c7fa-4d31-a082-1cfd2eb6ccc3 Excellent ... well said. Tue, 16 Jun 2009 00:29:29 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/8b56a335-0fc8-4757-8c59-2ba9b770064e#fbc7eca1-c7fa-4d31-a082-1cfd2eb6ccc3 herbnerd 2009-06-16T00:29:29Z http://tribes.tribe.net/7eab5e20-e8cd-40b6-8637-f631e44d40f3/thread/8b56a335-0fc8-4757-8c59-2ba9b770064e#7f8a84e4-84e5-4650-b397-c437f861bafc I also wonder whether in some ways the question of gay/straight isn't just a red herring here. I think breaking free of patriarchy is perhaps at core a matter of men dropping down more fully into their own bodies and direct of experience of their bodies--something that patriarchal understandings of masuclinity actively discourages. When men do that, we learn how to understand our masculinity without defining it in terms of binary oppositions. Then we can move that deepened understanding forward into how we relate to others sexually and spiritually, and how we relate to the Transcendent. Dropping down into experience and feeling like that, in order to embrace everything in a full experience of being embodied as a man that's filtered out by patriarchal models, may be profoundly queer, because non-patriarchal and non-normative. But it's not intrinsically any more homosexual than heterosexual. Mon, 15 Jun 2009 20:34:14 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/8b56a335-0fc8-4757-8c59-2ba9b770064e#7f8a84e4-84e5-4650-b397-c437f861bafc David 2009-06-15T20:34:14Z http://tribes.tribe.net/7eab5e20-e8cd-40b6-8637-f631e44d40f3/thread/8b56a335-0fc8-4757-8c59-2ba9b770064e#ed92be81-0026-4855-a499-218b489b440d Interesting material. From what I read of the excerpt, I agree with a lot of it. Still, the question remains: How do we reclaim our masculine nature within a sub-culture that encourages men to betray themselves? While the blurb did not elaborate on his concluding ideas, he does say this: <Gay spirituality is then offered as a form of masculine spirituality which to a large degree resists patriarchal tendencies, suggesting a queering of spirituality could be useful for all men, both gay and straight.> Can spirituality be "gay" or "straight"? And if it could, why would one sexual orientation expect another sexual orientation to adopt its' premises? All in all though, great discussion and food for thought. David Sun, 14 Jun 2009 17:26:53 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/8b56a335-0fc8-4757-8c59-2ba9b770064e#ed92be81-0026-4855-a499-218b489b440d herbnerd 2009-06-14T17:26:53Z http://tribes.tribe.net/7eab5e20-e8cd-40b6-8637-f631e44d40f3/thread/8b56a335-0fc8-4757-8c59-2ba9b770064e#3a0e449e-1c7e-4cc0-8923-71bfb548ba10 Numen, Old Men: Contemporary Masculine Spiritualities and the Problem of Patriarchy http://tinyurl.com/desl9s Since the early 1990s there have been various waves of interest in what is often described as “masculine spirituality”. While diverse, a commonality among these interests has been a concern that spirituality has become too feminine, and that men’s experiences of the spiritual are being marginalized. Masculine spirituality is therefore about promoting what it perceives to be authentic masculine characteristics within a spiritual context. By examining the nature of these characteristics, Numen, Old Men argues that masculine spirituality is little more than a thinly veiled patriarchal spirituality. The mythopoetic, evangelical, and to a lesser extent Catholic men’s movements all promote a heteropatriarchal spirituality by appealing to neo-Jungian archetypes of a combative and oppressive nature, or understanding men’s role as biblically ordained leader of the family. Numen, Old Men then examines Ken Wilber’s integral spirituality which aims to honour and transcend both the masculine and feminine, but which privileges the former to the extent where it becomes another masculine spirituality, with all its inherent patriarchal problems. Gay spirituality is then offered as a form of masculine spirituality which to a large degree resists patriarchal tendencies, suggesting a queering of spirituality could be useful for all men, both gay and straight. Excerpted here: http://www.realitysandwich.com/masculine_spiritualities_and_problem_patriarchy Sun, 14 Jun 2009 04:45:05 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/8b56a335-0fc8-4757-8c59-2ba9b770064e#3a0e449e-1c7e-4cc0-8923-71bfb548ba10 mrman 2009-06-14T04:45:05Z