http://tribes.tribe.net/discoversacredsexuality Tribe.net. Local Connections http://tribes.tribe.net/discoversacredsexuality/thread/0eac36e5-7881-431a-a2ac-0db98ff2c46a#325c12e7-5a07-43d3-8153-a2ae69c6be76 Hello all, This is Roman and Antje. We have been involved in the poly way of life since our teens. We both lived in a polyamorous intentional community promoting sacred sexuality for 14 and 8 years respectively and have been wanting to create a new poly community ever since. We believe that loving more than one person is one of the most beautiful things there is. Therefore, we are committed to bring the poly message out in the world. We are currently working on a documentary/film/reality TV show about a poly tribe sailing the world in search of an uninhabited tropical island. Once on the island, we envision a larger group of 25 poly people working together towards self-sufficiency and sustainable living, all of which will be caught on film. We are currently looking for adventurous participants who are genuinely interested in living in a poly tribe and becoming part of this big project. Please go to www.theparadisebuilders.org for more detailed information. Also, feel free to ask any questions you may have about us and the project. Much love to all, Roman and Antje Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:26:05 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/0eac36e5-7881-431a-a2ac-0db98ff2c46a#325c12e7-5a07-43d3-8153-a2ae69c6be76 Roman Devivo 2009-11-12T14:26:05Z http://tribes.tribe.net/discoversacredsexuality/thread/e2829f52-66dd-4b66-8f91-a57c4be94525#6e49ee3f-a4ba-4843-9884-e575b49b5bdf I 'd like to throw in my two cents on this topic. It seems many of us men are more likely to screw around than women. I have befriended two married men and they both felt the need for some variety or they were both oversexed. I think i read something somewhere that said its imprinted in a mans DNA to seek out different lovers. I wouldn't be surprised if there are a lot of well to do married men who mistresses on the side. I have also worked with a couple of guys who've been married for quite some time, their kids are all grown up and have moved out of the house and they and their wives don't even have sex anymore with those being in their early 50's. As for the moral issue, some feel that real intimacy happens when two lovers are really devoted to each other. Another aspect of cheating, could be the game of it being exciting and doing it in secrecy around ones partner, especially where ones have drifted away from each other,possibly, could hold some measure of intrigue. Sun, 08 Nov 2009 14:53:34 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/e2829f52-66dd-4b66-8f91-a57c4be94525#6e49ee3f-a4ba-4843-9884-e575b49b5bdf Wonderious Loon 2 2009-11-08T14:53:34Z http://tribes.tribe.net/discoversacredsexuality/thread/e2829f52-66dd-4b66-8f91-a57c4be94525#b377aaa6-aa4a-4a77-8d0f-a6740eb456b3 " By looking at "why did my partner cheat" instead of blaming it on genetics or nurturing, a person could find out what they really want in a partner and seek a person with those characteristics rather than a person who is more likely to cheat on them. " I heartily agree. Sun, 08 Nov 2009 04:54:33 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/e2829f52-66dd-4b66-8f91-a57c4be94525#b377aaa6-aa4a-4a77-8d0f-a6740eb456b3 *B* 2009-11-08T04:54:33Z http://tribes.tribe.net/discoversacredsexuality/thread/e2829f52-66dd-4b66-8f91-a57c4be94525#32a76f62-5191-42bb-87c7-7f6a95d734a4 who is to say, what is being closeminded and idiotic about why mean cheat? i think when the right conditions and opportunity is presented, somethings bound to happen. i think men likes to own, stake property , possession, power. when this things are already in place in his environment he tends to be complacent. then he is vulnerable to start looking. Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:35:32 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/e2829f52-66dd-4b66-8f91-a57c4be94525#32a76f62-5191-42bb-87c7-7f6a95d734a4 redd 2009-11-05T18:35:32Z http://tribes.tribe.net/discoversacredsexuality/thread/fa82c17a-b7ad-477a-9116-d8a44cf04b97#44f9f4d5-bd9c-4738-976a-260251fdfddc This is just my recent blog that I decided to post here ... could be as a discussion topic or just important information. I don't give any links to my website ... but if it is seen as promotional I am open to feedback. David Fri, 30 Oct 2009 05:38:38 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/fa82c17a-b7ad-477a-9116-d8a44cf04b97#44f9f4d5-bd9c-4738-976a-260251fdfddc herbnerd 2009-10-30T05:38:38Z http://tribes.tribe.net/discoversacredsexuality/thread/fa82c17a-b7ad-477a-9116-d8a44cf04b97#89dcaab3-08a0-4022-97ea-e7de0707adec Is this promotional or are you posting a discussion topic? Inquiring minds want to know *B* Fri, 30 Oct 2009 02:35:10 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/fa82c17a-b7ad-477a-9116-d8a44cf04b97#89dcaab3-08a0-4022-97ea-e7de0707adec *B* 2009-10-30T02:35:10Z http://tribes.tribe.net/discoversacredsexuality/thread/50b030ba-4919-4cc9-aa99-cb169bb2d5e2#729d8153-1f11-4dd3-bc2b-3a3744cf6fd4 Please review the introduction/guidelines for this tribe. Out of respect for the members of this tribe, threads are reserved for discussions. We are happy to have your products (recordings) posted under "listings" Blessings on your endeavors, *B* Fri, 30 Oct 2009 02:32:56 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/50b030ba-4919-4cc9-aa99-cb169bb2d5e2#729d8153-1f11-4dd3-bc2b-3a3744cf6fd4 *B* 2009-10-30T02:32:56Z http://tribes.tribe.net/discoversacredsexuality/thread/50b030ba-4919-4cc9-aa99-cb169bb2d5e2#035df893-9576-420e-a6af-859873e9a81f Newly released Sacred Song Recording: Album: "Origin of the Word" Artist: Glory Suda Available for download on iTunes and Amazon This Album was recorded during a sacred ceremony. WWW.ORIGINOFTHEWORD.COM Ancient Journey, Ancient Music, Ancient Mother … before and after…Within. The essence of the mystic in all cultures has been what has been spoken of as the Word… as the Vak…the Shabd, the Shen… the Hu… “the music of the spheres”. This has been evoked in each culture and great civilization by their music forms but each of those forms has incarnated from a more rarified form that connects to the formless in each mystic tradition. Our work is to acquaint you with this form which connects with the formless via sound, via music, via other nectars and beingness and to journey on that to our shared Within. . Together, we dive deep Within to the true Universal Ma… to the origin of all light and sound. The divine which created created worlds.. created forms… the world of humans, the world of plants, the world of animals … the worlds of uncounted semi-divine and divine beings. In the plant kingdom, forms were created to be edible. Forms were created to be beautiful. Forms were created to be aromatic. Forms were created for healing. Within the realm of healing plants, it is well documented within all ancient cultures that there are those forms and species that are sacred, that have the gift of Knowledge. Our ceremonies utilize sacred plants to help unwind knots of illusion so that we may consciously expand our embodiment of Love. Thu, 29 Oct 2009 01:54:25 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/50b030ba-4919-4cc9-aa99-cb169bb2d5e2#035df893-9576-420e-a6af-859873e9a81f Glory 2009-10-29T01:54:25Z http://tribes.tribe.net/discoversacredsexuality/thread/fa82c17a-b7ad-477a-9116-d8a44cf04b97#2ec6bb04-d2fa-4165-b6bb-e29b70eb799c We are conducting a vast toxicological experiment in which our children and our children's children are the experimental subjects. - - Dr. Herbert Needleman Remember the movie The Graduate? Dustin Hoffmann plays Benjamin Braddock, a confused young man just out of college and uncertain about his future. In one scene a family friend, Mr. McGuire, pulls him aside and says, "I want to say one word to you. Are you listening to me? Plastics. There's a great future in plastics." Well, as a predictor of the future, Mr. McGuire could not have been more wrong … at least about the "great future". Our lives are immersed in plastics. Plastics are everywhere. Everywhere. Each day we are awash in an ocean of more than 1000 synthetic chemicals. They are in our clothing, our bedding, our food, our cosmetics … and they are in our bodies. And the truth is we know very little about how these chemicals impact life on earth. Of the more than 80,000 manmade chemicals that have been invented by chemical companies, fully 85% have never been tested on humans. However, emerging scientific evidence is showing us that these chemicals may be much more dangerous than we could ever have imagined. Industrial wastes like mercury, benzine, and dioxin are known to negatively impact human reproduction. And while some of these dangerous chemicals occur in nature, most of them are man-made from petroleum. These chemicals can be structurally similar to human and animal hormones, and they appear to be particularly damaging to young males. Because they are structurally similar to human hormones they have the capacity to block the testosterone receptors in the body, preventing the healthy development of the male sex organs. And this is not just happening to humans. The males of many other species, including reptiles, are showing alarming increases in malformed reproductive organs. Of particular concern are petrochemicals called phthalates. Prevalent in women, phthalates have been linked to sexual aberrations in male fetuses. Ironically, many of the so-called "safe toys" that children put in their mouth contain phthalates. Phthalates are also common in cosmetics. 75% of shampoos, skin creams, lipsticks, deodorant, hair gel, and perfumes contain phthalates. One phthalate, found in PVC vinyl is called DEHP. DEHP has been classified as a reproductive toxin and yet it and is found in hospital birthing wards around the country. PVC vinyl is used to make blood bags, intravenous tubing, and catheters. PVC vinyl is known to leech from medical equipment into children. The average person takes in 30 micrograms/kg of phthalates per day. A patient in a hospital can absorb up to 200 times that amount, sometimes for days or weeks at a time. Male children are particularly vulnerable. One infamous toxic petrochemical is called Bisphenol A (BPA). BPA is used in making polycarbonate, one of the most commonly used plastics. Used to make CDs and DVDs, it is also an ingredient in baby bottles. BPA functions in the body as a synthetic estrogen, sometimes called a "xenoestrogen". Through the use of BPA in baby bottles, we have essentially been feeding our infant children synthetic hormones. BPA has been linked to cryptorchidism (undescended testicles), a congenital condition in which boy's testicles do not drop down into the scrotum. Boys with undescended testicles are 7 times more likely to experience infertility and 8 times more likely to be victims of testicular cancer. In the last 20 years the incidence of testicular cancer has doubled. In the last 50 years, sperm counts in men worldwide have been cut in half. Today, college age males produce only half the number of sperm that their fathers did. And of the sperm that they do produce, 80% of them are abnormal. But rather than addressing the problem directly, our government and their corporate masters have seen fit to "lower the bar"; they have simply changed the definition of "infertility". The World Health Organization previously defined male infertility as sperm counts that fell below 60 million per milliliter. When sperm counts began to drop worldwide they changed the definition to 40 million per milliliter, then to 20 million per milliliter. They are now considering dropping it to 10 million per milliliter. This is the logical equivalent of a cardiologist treating heart disease by calling it "normal" and walking away. The chemicals in our environment are particularly dangerous to a developing fetus. A child in the womb is much more sensitive to toxic chemicals than adults, and the negative effects, when they do occur, are permanent. Petrochemicals are transmitted to the child at first through the umbilical cord and later via the mother's breast milk. Once they enter the body of the fetus they can create irreversible damage to that child's reproductive system. Male genital birth defects have roughly doubled in recent years. Male fetuses are being miscarried in ever increasing numbers. In more than 20 industrialized countries the birth of males has declined. In communities near petrochemical plants male fetuses are miscarried at twice the rate of females. As if this were not enough, recent evidence shows that increased levels of stress may increase the reproductive impact of these petrochemicals on the human body. Stress hormones, glucocorticoids, when combined with the common petrochemicals found in our bodies strongly increase the likelihood of reproductive birth defects. So becoming stressed about the negative impacts of petrochemicals may help to create those negative impacts. That our male dominated planet has created an industry of pollution and a way of life that may eventually destroy the male gender is ironic in the extreme. References: University of Edinburgh (2009, October 22). Fetal Study Highlights Impact Of Stress On Male Fertility. ScienceDaily. Retrieved October 27, 2009, from http://www.sciencedaily.com- /releases/2009/10/091021101814.htm The Disappearing Male video hosted by Anne-Marie MacDonald on DocZone http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7530701744597358451# http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/files/pdfs/migrated/MultimediaFiles/Live/FullReport/5988.pdf http://www.ehponline.org/members/2005/8479/8479.pdf http://www.psr.org/site/PageServer?pagename=boston_ihw-report#ihwRptDwnld http://www.protectingourhealth.org/newscience/birthdefects/2004-0501birthdefectspreview.htm http://www.healthandenvironment.org/infertility/vallombrosa_documents http://www.ehponline.org/members/2005/113-10/ehp0113-a00670.pdf http://www.healthyenvironmentforkids.ca/english/father_s_day_report.pdf http://www.nrdc.org/OnEarth/06win/chem1.asp Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:09:47 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/fa82c17a-b7ad-477a-9116-d8a44cf04b97#2ec6bb04-d2fa-4165-b6bb-e29b70eb799c herbnerd 2009-10-28T02:09:47Z http://tribes.tribe.net/discoversacredsexuality/thread/0b52a994-fdf8-48d3-8c65-eab5c3f7dee5#7bb3c835-859c-4447-b777-8c0785872250 " I still don't like either Sacred Prostitute or Sacred Whore and prefer the simpler and precise term Priest or Priestess." Me too. Sat, 24 Oct 2009 18:37:09 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/0b52a994-fdf8-48d3-8c65-eab5c3f7dee5#7bb3c835-859c-4447-b777-8c0785872250 *B* 2009-10-24T18:37:09Z http://tribes.tribe.net/discoversacredsexuality/thread/0b52a994-fdf8-48d3-8c65-eab5c3f7dee5#73f9dc9e-218e-40b1-a12e-0ca57e3c8e8d The term "Temple Whore" sounds to me so derogatory. Temple slut sounds more campassionate. Sat, 24 Oct 2009 17:47:13 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/0b52a994-fdf8-48d3-8c65-eab5c3f7dee5#73f9dc9e-218e-40b1-a12e-0ca57e3c8e8d Wonderious Loon 2 2009-10-24T17:47:13Z http://tribes.tribe.net/discoversacredsexuality/thread/0b52a994-fdf8-48d3-8c65-eab5c3f7dee5#398ad47a-578f-4952-b1a5-77d25fd53b50 I like the formal Temple God-Is. I think Slut is beautiful, strong, honorable, powerful and magical. So I more often say Temple Slut. It's never only about sex or sexing or sexuality. It's a Being in the service of Life Force Energy in The Other. In whatever beautiful, creative, magical form it needs to take. Sat, 24 Oct 2009 06:02:29 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/0b52a994-fdf8-48d3-8c65-eab5c3f7dee5#398ad47a-578f-4952-b1a5-77d25fd53b50 Elysienne 2009-10-24T06:02:29Z http://tribes.tribe.net/discoversacredsexuality/thread/e2829f52-66dd-4b66-8f91-a57c4be94525#701a9294-1d67-44df-9caa-8f5e6b408a18 Well, let's take gender out of it and simply say that evolutionary biologists have established that we are not a monogamous species. Both men and women are predisposed to create children by multiple partners. and it makes perfect sense from a genetic point of view. Now, we are conscious, but how often to we actually discuss reality with our partners and consciously decide to be monogamous? Not often, I'd venture, and rules are not nearly as powerful as promises between two. Sat, 29 Aug 2009 23:31:05 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/e2829f52-66dd-4b66-8f91-a57c4be94525#701a9294-1d67-44df-9caa-8f5e6b408a18 Bill 2009-08-29T23:31:05Z http://tribes.tribe.net/discoversacredsexuality/thread/e2829f52-66dd-4b66-8f91-a57c4be94525#93c4a022-4716-480a-923a-295459caf5a9 That's an interesting comment, Coco. I don't think it's either close-minded or idiotic to make that statement, however I do think it is the popular answer and may not be the most accurate one. There are, after all, other possibilities: • Men and women are highly monogamous, but in each generation, the training in attitudes from childhood have influenced the desire to spread sperm. This would be the nature vs. nurture concept. • Men and women, by nature, want to have as many sexual partners as possible. However, women have be bred for generations to only want to be with one man. Thus the real problem would not be that men "cheat," but that women's freedom has been limited and pushed against what is natural, but they put blame on men rather than on themselves. • Men and women are highly polygamous, but in each generation, the training in attitudes from childhood have influenced the desire for women to give their ova to just one male (at a time). This, again, would be the nature vs. nurture concept. I don't know which is actually correct. Perhaps it's different for each person. Perhaps instead of asking "why men cheat," any person who is cheated on should ask, "why did my partner cheat?" I don't want this to sound like I'm "blaming the victim" because the bottom line is that their partner did cheat. IMO that's wrong. But why is it that a person determined that a partner who was prone to cheating would make a good partner in the first place? By looking at "why did my partner cheat" instead of blaming it on genetics or nurturing, a person could find out what they really want in a partner and seek a person with those characteristics rather than a person who is more likely to cheat on them. Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:59:50 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/e2829f52-66dd-4b66-8f91-a57c4be94525#93c4a022-4716-480a-923a-295459caf5a9 Shambhalanth 2009-08-27T19:59:50Z http://tribes.tribe.net/discoversacredsexuality/thread/e2829f52-66dd-4b66-8f91-a57c4be94525#a0f5426f-b6c1-4b7f-b413-d8d927d96926 I could be slightly closeminded and idiotic and leave it to say men have been bred for generations to get into as many women as they can and as young as they can .... legally I dont think that would be too far off either Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:09:45 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/e2829f52-66dd-4b66-8f91-a57c4be94525#a0f5426f-b6c1-4b7f-b413-d8d927d96926 coco 2009-08-27T19:09:45Z http://tribes.tribe.net/discoversacredsexuality/thread/e2829f52-66dd-4b66-8f91-a57c4be94525#9e987fa8-c9ce-4722-86cf-61679bee0687 I-P:"Why not give children 3 parents? Or a whole village of Parents? " Oneinmotion: "Because biologically and legally they are the product of 2 parents." Coco: "Currently in society the majority of the legality of how things are maintained, divided, care for, etc sides with the biological "parents". Precedence is crucial. And precedence right now sits with the biological producers. I say producers becuase they make exception when the "parent" cant be found or is unfit and unfit is a WIDE swath to run through." I-P: no offense, but these are not very imaginative replies. I live in an intentional community in the country where there are children with more than two "functioning" parents. sometimes this is just the more usual thing of the two biological parents remaining friend after are "repartnering", so that, since everyone is still living in the same community, the child is effectively parented by 4 adults. But in more then one case the arrangement is deliberate and entered into before conception and the children understand themselves to have more than two "parents". Although neither of these particular kinds of arragements approach what I believe is possible and necessary, I have not seen the results of them being at all worse then the nuclear family model. on the contrary. So far as law goes; the fact that "currently in society" the law supports private exclusive ownership of ALL kinds, and so makes sharing (as opposed to charity) problematic is no argument for anything. "Currently in society" corporations privatize freshwater sources in poor desertifying countries (and rich ones too) and leave only polluted rivers to drink from for free. then they sell the poor their own water back to them (the part that isn't bottled in plastic shipped out of the country) at rates that end up being dearer for the poor than for the rich (see the book or movie "Blue Gold"). My point is; we live in a sick culture with a sick legal system. To unconditionally surrender to that fact is to abandon morality and sanity altogether... Nor is "Biology" any kind of excuse. Like Shams was saying, there are all kind of examples of humans have other then the two parent arrangements. Moving in the direction that I am describing has more to do with commiting to healthy culture--and thus to inner and outer healing as a priority--than necessarily to any specific details social or sexual arrangement, since these would need to be evaluated in context. Still the direction of progress and growth seems clear enough to me. Just a matter of good will and imagination. I-P Wed, 26 Aug 2009 06:19:16 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/e2829f52-66dd-4b66-8f91-a57c4be94525#9e987fa8-c9ce-4722-86cf-61679bee0687 I-P 2009-08-26T06:19:16Z http://tribes.tribe.net/discoversacredsexuality/thread/e2829f52-66dd-4b66-8f91-a57c4be94525#0452eeaf-061a-4274-aef5-02c3051bc91c One's got a point. Doesnt matter if it's "not necessarily " true. Currently in society the majority of the legality of how things are maintained, divided, care for, etc sides with the biological "parents". Precedence is crucial. And precedence right now sits with the biological producers. I say producers becuase they make exception when the "parent" cant be found or is unfit and unfit is a WIDE swath to run through. Fri, 14 Aug 2009 02:12:58 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/e2829f52-66dd-4b66-8f91-a57c4be94525#0452eeaf-061a-4274-aef5-02c3051bc91c coco 2009-08-14T02:12:58Z http://tribes.tribe.net/discoversacredsexuality/thread/45a75b2e-8af1-438b-92ec-3ed3496afa16#4d50173e-e91c-4818-80c3-7d80cebed611 geez just realized my post probably was to archaic and short to make sense I'm sure there are both men and women who need sex (emphasize need) to feel secure. Part of that no doubt stems from the thought that when someone has sex with you, you're being desired. (unfortunately it could just be someone that just wants to be laid and has nothing to do with desire) And some people equate sex in the relationship with security of the relationship - wrong there too . Fri, 14 Aug 2009 02:09:13 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/45a75b2e-8af1-438b-92ec-3ed3496afa16#4d50173e-e91c-4818-80c3-7d80cebed611 coco 2009-08-14T02:09:13Z http://tribes.tribe.net/discoversacredsexuality/thread/129d969e-0468-44e2-ae80-05e75cf453e6#eb31ce04-b70f-424a-a86c-21d280a5bfee Please post spam under listings. Thank you. *B* Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:21:59 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/129d969e-0468-44e2-ae80-05e75cf453e6#eb31ce04-b70f-424a-a86c-21d280a5bfee *B* 2009-07-29T18:21:59Z http://tribes.tribe.net/discoversacredsexuality/thread/45a75b2e-8af1-438b-92ec-3ed3496afa16#55c3bd91-2a27-4b6c-ac0f-990456a2c66b There are definitely people like that out there. I had a girlfriend for two years, supposedly a very spiritual woman. When I decided I had had enough of the relationship, it was embarrassing to see the lengths she would go to in trying to keep the relationship alive. Until she found someone else to lean on, then she went for revenge against me. She is still such an insecure person that she won't leave the guy she's with even though he is very abusive. I feel sad for her, but there's nothing I can do to help her. Wed, 22 Jul 2009 02:54:37 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/45a75b2e-8af1-438b-92ec-3ed3496afa16#55c3bd91-2a27-4b6c-ac0f-990456a2c66b Lester 2009-07-22T02:54:37Z http://tribes.tribe.net/discoversacredsexuality/thread/129d969e-0468-44e2-ae80-05e75cf453e6#42905461-c3f6-4e5d-9e16-2968a5e362c1 Hi everyone, I'm the co-founder of OneTantra, and I wanted to invite all of you to what is now becoming the hottest social network in the tantric & poly community. OneTantra is a multi-faith, inspirational and motivational new spirituality website. Through its community and significant teaching body (over 25 core faculty instructors including Charles Muir, Mantak Chia, Deb Anapol, Michael Mirdad, etc - and over 50 workshop leaders in the adjunct program), it provides information, community and services on a wide variety of topics, and with a focus on the art of tantra, love and spiritualizing relationship. It is slowly becoming the largest and most vibrant online community in the tantra world. OneTantra is an all-loving, all-accepting, exploratory, fun, edgy and bold place where anybody curious about, or on the path can meet, learn, grow, deepen, play and love more fully. It's the ultimate tantric learning community -- you will be blown away by the depth and spiritual beauty of the people who have already joined. Plus, the social network will blow you away - and this isn't marketing hype - there are people talking about everything from the neurobiology of tantra to ecstatic poetry to qigong to non-violent communications to sexual healing & tantric case histories to "all about amrita" and slow food and then there are all the regional groups... just about anything you can imagine. You can ask questions, learn new practices and meet like-minded others. Lots of them. It's truly a rich and fulfilling multi-conversation, all about tantra and its impact on the world. So come to http://onetantra.com/bliss to learn more. And email me at moses@onetantra.com if you need anything. It's a paid premium social network, but we have fun work study programs and stuff so anyone can join. We're hosting an online workshop with Mantak Chia this week! Love & light, Moses Tue, 21 Jul 2009 18:13:46 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/129d969e-0468-44e2-ae80-05e75cf453e6#42905461-c3f6-4e5d-9e16-2968a5e362c1 TantraTao 2009-07-21T18:13:46Z http://tribes.tribe.net/discoversacredsexuality/thread/45a75b2e-8af1-438b-92ec-3ed3496afa16#f81ea80e-a7b3-4997-9740-728bca3cdd84 ummm lets see.. i was thinking from a low perspective like girls know guys want sex and if they give them sex, they will take care of them. this is very primitive. i think in some cases this must happen. especially to people who have really low self esteem/ self awareness. but we must realize the security within ourselves ultimately. nothing outside us is going to give us real security. Our own intuition is the deepest security we have. there may appear at times different links and explanations for our feelings and attitudes, but we must get to the root of the cause.. and this alliaviates everything. Tue, 21 Jul 2009 18:11:01 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/45a75b2e-8af1-438b-92ec-3ed3496afa16#f81ea80e-a7b3-4997-9740-728bca3cdd84 AnahataDas 2009-07-21T18:11:01Z http://tribes.tribe.net/discoversacredsexuality/thread/45a75b2e-8af1-438b-92ec-3ed3496afa16#6dbcaaf0-6d78-4a80-a029-b8507e8e0edc Coming from my perspective of having no sex and no partner, I can definitely say that this would correspond with my constant feeling of insecurity. What made you postulate this theorum? Mon, 20 Jul 2009 07:26:00 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/45a75b2e-8af1-438b-92ec-3ed3496afa16#6dbcaaf0-6d78-4a80-a029-b8507e8e0edc Dave 2009-07-20T07:26:00Z http://tribes.tribe.net/discoversacredsexuality/thread/45a75b2e-8af1-438b-92ec-3ed3496afa16#cd565ade-7b21-4f73-a7d4-963af8f2235a I can only speak with absolute certainty about myself. I generally feel secure about myself and, while the opinions of others can be important, I don't need those opinions to feel secure. I have sex to make myself and/or the person/people I'm with feel good, not for security or power. Mon, 20 Jul 2009 06:44:26 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/45a75b2e-8af1-438b-92ec-3ed3496afa16#cd565ade-7b21-4f73-a7d4-963af8f2235a Fun Times 2009-07-20T06:44:26Z http://tribes.tribe.net/discoversacredsexuality/thread/45a75b2e-8af1-438b-92ec-3ed3496afa16#cd1db4d4-59c7-4cc1-b3b1-a733a246e537 OH I'm sure there are and if they do, then to them, there's a link Sun, 19 Jul 2009 10:57:34 GMT http://tribes.tribe.net/thread/45a75b2e-8af1-438b-92ec-3ed3496afa16#cd1db4d4-59c7-4cc1-b3b1-a733a246e537 coco 2009-07-19T10:57:34Z