I realize in other circles, this question would seem strange. But in circles that talk about sacred sexuality and claim to be sexually "liberated," it seems to be the norm that polyamory is considered to be the only natural way to be, and exclusive relationships are seen as old-fashioned, patriarchial, unnatural, over-restrictive, or the product of insecurity. While I can refute the "unnatural" part(monogamy has been around for as long as any other form of partnership), I can't quite seem to fully justify it. Which sucks, because in my own experience, I always feel most comfortable in a monogamous relationship. Does this make me insecure? Am I a controlling, patriarchial male because I prefer an exclusive relationship over an open one? What are your thoughts on this?
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Wed, February 6, 2008 - 9:41 AMPlease read to the end before replying.
Jon, the first thing I would say is that I would have to disagree with your claim that "monogamy has been around for as long as any other form of partnership." I haven't seen any evidence for it while there is ample evidence that having multiple wives (as in the Jewish bible) and multiple husbands (as in the Mahabharata) was idealized. Indeed, the concept of monogamy only became popularized along with "romantic love," sometime before the Renaissance.
However, assume for a moment that you are correct and that monogamy is "natural." I would respectfully suggest that merely being natural does not make it necessarily positive. People have also practiced racism, misogyny, religious hatred, xenophobia, and preemptive war from ancient times. If these are "natural" then do we really need them?
Actually, I do not believe they are "natural" (i.e., "instinctive" or behaviors/emotions we are born with) so much a learned behaviors. One of the beliefs in some spiritual systems is that the reason most people do NOT find sexuality sacred is due to behaviors and feelings we have learned. Therefore, we have to unlearn past behaviors, concepts, and ideas to allow ourselves to open to sacred spirituality.
Further, your statement that you "always feel most comfortable in a monogamous relationship" sounds as if it may be slightly in error. It may be more accurate to say that you are involved in "serial monogamy." That is, you only have sex with one person at a time. In some modern spiritual traditions such actions are as frowned upon as is polyamory.
Further, you seem to equate polyamory with an "open" relationship. I would contend that this is NOT an accurate comparison, although I certainly admit that some people involved in open relationships or having multiple partners incorrectly use the term "polyamory" to internally rationalize their behavior. Suggestion: check Wikipedia for a more accurate definition of "polyamory."
Be that as it may, this entire argument, as a support or counter to your main question of can a person practice sacred sexuality within a monogamous relationship? The answer, IMO, is that it depends upon the person. For some people the answer is absolutely yes. For others, the answer is no.
So I would contend that rather than asking people here that question, you should ask it of yourself. Read what people have experienced as the result of sacred sexual practices. Are you experiencing such things? If not, what you are doing isn't working. If you are, what you are doing is working.
Therefore, I would also say that when you ask if you're insecure, the answer is "yes." Otherwise, why ask this questions. Are you "a controlling, patriarchal male" because you prefer monogamy? No, but I can't answer that question from what you've posted. If you are a controlling, patriarchal male it is because you are a controlling patriarchal male, not because you prefer monogamy.
On the other hand, your post does focus on you and doesn't mention whether you are helping your partner(s) on their spiritual path through the practices of sacred spirituality. This, combined with the very fact that you are concerned that you might be a controlling, patriarchal male, implies that it may be so.
However, from your post, I would say this is a good thing(!). One of the things I like to say is that "The realization of ignorance is the beginning of wisdom." This is analogous to your realization that you might be a controlling and patriarchal male, two expressions that you seem to imply (and I would agree) are not positive. Therefore, you can act on that realization to change, to not be controlling, and to not be patriarchal. You can do this within a monogamous relationship and achieve a state where you and your partner can achieve what you determine to be the results of sacred sexuality.
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Wed, February 6, 2008 - 10:32 AMFirst of all, as for historical evidence of monogamy, if we're using the Bible as a source, Adam and Eve predate David or Solomon. Noah also had a monogamous marriage. Monogamy has always existed even within polygamous societies, because the average man could not afford to have more than one wife. Polygamy was generally a luxury for rich and powerful men.
Also, I'd like to clarify that I'm not in a relationship right now. My current condition is neither monogamy nor polyamory, but rather celibacy, and it has been that way for some time now. I've been waiting for "the right one" to come along. Feel free to make fun of such naive idealism. Any insecurity you see in my post derives not from any behavior of mine in relationships I've had, but rather from being attacked in other forums for defending monogamy. I ask if I'm a controlling, patriarchial male due to this preference not because I suspect myself of being one, but because I've been accused of such.
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Wed, February 6, 2008 - 10:01 PMJon, you're right. Adam and Eve were monogamous.
Like, did they have a choice? LOL.
Using the Bible to support the idea that you had to be rich to have more than one wife doesn't work. Although it is certainly true in the story of Abram/Abraham, it's certainly not true with the story of Jacob.
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Wed, February 6, 2008 - 10:12 PMI only cited the Bible because you did as well. The point is that monogamy has existed even in societies where non-monogamous types of relationships are also accepted. This is demonstrated by anthropological as well as historical evidence. -
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Thu, February 7, 2008 - 11:11 AMActually, Jon, you're correct. Monogamy has existed along with polygamous and polyandrous relationships. Even so, the CONCEPT of what constitutes monogamy, as it exists today, it different from that of thousands of years ago. If your only consideration is one partner--or one partner at a time--that is a modern interpretation.
Be that as it may, I would suggest that you are subtly attempting to change what I take as the original point of your question: is monogamy wrong as part of sacred sexuality? As I put it, "The answer, IMO, is that it depends upon the person. For some people the answer is absolutely yes. For others, the answer is no."
So I don't have a pony in this race. It depends upon the people involved. For some people, monogamy works. For others it doesn't.
However, you seem to be changing this to claim that monogamy came first, implying, therefore it is the right way and anything else is wrong. The evidence of this is that Marcas is genuflecting in adoration to your defense of this attitude.
I stand by my position that what works for anyone--if it is not harmful to themselves or others--is right for them. Frankly, I have seen no evidence to support your original claim that when it comes to sacred sexuality "it seems to be the norm that polyamory is considered to be the only natural way to be." I would like to see your documentation for this claim.
So people here have answered your question, Jon: Monogamy is fine. Polyamory is fine. It depends upon the people involved.
Where do you want to go now? Do you merely want to promote monogamy? Just say so.
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Wed, February 6, 2008 - 2:48 PMGreat question Jon,
Monogamy as it is practiced in "conventional" patriarchal society is "wrong" in that it is unhealthy for our species' further survival. "It" is breeding generations successively less capable of authentic, mature, genuinely loving, engagement.
As my partner(s) and I have come to view it, "monogamy" or primary paired, is a natural-genetic instinct and needs to be satisfied and fulfilled at a fundamental level in order to support the higher possibility of love's expression through inclusion of another(s). With the "known" strength and stability of the primary pair, opening and expanding into more love with another becomes possible. Women don't see the other woman as competition, men don't see the other man as an usurper/challenger. Both see the third as a compliment and expanded expression of the central love that is already there.
The process takes a lot of self-observation and ego-stripping. Agenda's are not supported or tolerated. Authentic expression and "showing up" consciously are all imperatives for the process not to fall into egoic gamesmanship or wound-playing.
-And the place you arrive at is wonderful, amazing, and life fulfilling! *smile*
Love and Light,
Sunyata
www.mythiclove.net/sunyata
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Thu, February 7, 2008 - 7:26 AMAmen to that. Multiple wives or multiple husbands, multiple partners is wrong. Of course, they will have to figure that out for themselves... so, don't ask me why. The higher power has spoken through me. I'm only the messenger. :D -
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Thu, February 7, 2008 - 12:12 PMMy experience of Love is that it is expansive, accepting, inclusive, nourishing, up-lifting, and courageous. I found that its the little "me" who is fearful of what is unknown in Love and when I "trust-through" the barrier of fear -I find there was nothing to fear.
Monogamy as it is practiced in the dominant patriarchal culture is a trade-off of freedom for [perceived] security and sets up a dynamic of manipulation and control -feeding the Ego's wounded energy that attenuates -and eventually deadens- Eros in the relationship.
The romanticized ideal of monogamy is the soul's expression for a primary paired relationship whereby the soul's evolutionary journey can be played/worked out (with the exception of the "happily ever-after" expectation -primary pair relationships last various lengths of time). With this primary paired-ness fulfilled there is a natural turning to an other outside the relationship for Erotic stimulus and sexual fulfillment for both partners in the primary pair. When the primary pair's relationship is "known", and healthy, it opens space for conscious integration of more love with others in conscious consent. The "others" welcomed into the expanded love of the primary pair respect and support the unity of love and don't place expectations or demands on the primary pair's relationship. The "others" frequently have life circumstances that make such a relationship ideal, providing belonging, community, sex and intimacy in a form that is perfect for them.
The answer to monogamy is not polyamory -at least not in the unconscious ego-filled way it is frequently attempted. The answer is the higher possibility of recognizing the primary pair fulfillment as well as the conscious integration of expansive love to include people and circumstances that are ideal for them.
This is a new age dawning, the old paradigm ideals will no longer be supported as they do not serve the greater good.
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Thu, February 7, 2008 - 1:24 PMThe word, "Wrong," is always a warning light for me. Things either work, or they don't work, according to what one values.
I can't tell my parents, who have been joyfully married for 60+ years, that monogamy is wrong. No one can.
I can't tell my polyamorous married friends, who have been joyfully married for 20+ years, that non-monogamy is wrong.
Love is good. Love works. Respect works. Communication works. Authenticity, humility and vulnerability work too. Respect for your own values and needs, and the values and needs of another also work.
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Thu, February 7, 2008 - 4:23 PM"I can't tell my polyamorous married friends, who have been joyfully married for 20+ years, that non-monogamy is wrong."
Sure you can... you just have to let them know that you're doing it not from you, but from God... as it is stated. Sure many had many wives back in the day (and some still do)... but, that doesn't make it "right". It's like- we're not all perfect and there was only 1 perfect one- Christ, but just because we are able to "kill", doesn't make it right. Just because we're able to fornicate... doesn't make it right.
You just have to let them know that you care about their eternal life and that's why you would want to tell them that it's wrong, even though they might be "joyfully married for 20+ years" as a polyamorous couple. Sometimes the truth hurts... I know, because sometimes I am too frank, but nevertheless... I ALWAYS speak the truth. -
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Thu, February 7, 2008 - 5:09 PMSeriously? *sighs*
So God = pain _ conditional love_ free will you cant freely use _ subject-able dogma _ one is doomed to step in some shit depending how each individual’s perception/perspective on/of that/their dogma, and decides its their duty to make you follow their rules/fears so their souls to ensure their entry in to the after life and not go to hell, they take it upon them selves to enforce/judge etc... All in the name of?
We are only one creature; look at all the varieties of mating styles accruing in nature... Are the animals also doomed if they don’t fear and obey these rules?
Choose what comfortable for you what works for you here and now _ its important/good to question our choices_ there will most likely be some one else who feels the same and desires the same...
Shoot, I went ahead and made reservations in hell_ decided life was to short_ I want to be happy_ love_ love unconditionally_ be loved unconditionally, without attachment or judgment...
Figure we have enough to worry about than to voluntarily toss that in too...
But wrong or write? It’s what is right for you where you are in your path of discovering you... It definitely shouldn’t be ruled or manipulated another’s fears...
But that’s Just my personal opinion…
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Thu, February 7, 2008 - 6:03 PMOkay boys...here is a female perspective.
Polyamory is not polyfuckery. At least not from my perspective. It is kind of scary to me to consider a relationship with a partner who does not have other friends or important others in their lives. This is a big warning sign.
I have very intimate relationships with men I am not engaged with sexually and Iove these men fiercely. And, I practice transcendental sex with a man I am not engaged with as a romantic partner. It would be beautiful to have it all in one juicy partner, but unlike Sunyata, that is not the case at this time though it has been in the past.
I agree with Sham in that it is up to you to decide what is right for you. Do what thou wilt...but remember that love is the law...do it because it is your truth you are seeking, not a should of some kind. -
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Thu, February 7, 2008 - 6:38 PMIm Female...
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Thu, February 7, 2008 - 7:58 PMMy ideas about this have changed as I have grown.
I don't think there is anything "wrong" with any perspective, as long as everyone involved is on the same page.
That seems to be the problem currently with dating and relationships is that people will say one thing and do the other.
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Fri, February 8, 2008 - 5:33 PMNo I can't, because although I wouldn't be so prideful and ignorant to say that I always speak the truth, I sure do my best. The polyamorous couple to whom I refer are extraordinarily compassionate people, and much more aligned with the heart of Christ than anyone I know. And trust me, as someone who was actively engaged in the Christian path for over 20 years, I know some pretty amazing Christians.
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Fri, February 8, 2008 - 12:05 AMPlease note... I did not say that polyamory is "wrong".
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Mon, February 11, 2008 - 9:08 AMHowdy ya all.
Wrong for who? As us old Hippies have always said, "Different strokes for different Folks". Sacred sexuality with a single partner can be very powerful. You have a connection that is ongoing and very strong. You know each other well. You can come in and out of altered states of consciousness together easily. This is the path that many people choose.
Others like different partners at different times depending on their intentions in creating sacred sexuality. Some folks like to be involved with a group of others during sacred sex. And don't forget that you can create solo sacred sexual space.
There is no right or wrong way to do this. It all depends on what works for you.
Blessings
Simon
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Tue, February 12, 2008 - 8:14 PMMy Bible begins, "Once upon a time..." That said...Ever here that song by Bernadette Peters, "I do it best"? I've practiced sacred sex alone. And wooeeee...just took some imagination. I've done it in groups, but I never know who I'm suppose to be with. And I've done it one-on-on. I must say I prefer one-on-one myself. I'm just not sure what sacred sex and monogamy have in common. Monogamy has nothing to do with sacredness, I don't believe. But I'd say to do whatever feels most comfortable to you.
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Fri, February 22, 2008 - 3:56 AMI am only 22 but I do believe in Monogamy! I was raised as such! My Mum and Dah are the only people in my family who firmly believe that too. That is why I have close to 15grandparents. Long story and even worse family reunions if there ever was one.
I Love being able to trust fully and completely the person you deside to share your sacred temple to! Its beautiful and freeing! I know my man worships my temple as much as I worship his. I love it! With that knowledge of each others bodies and mind we are comepletely happy to take on an extra person in our bed to liven things up sometime too. Trust, Talk and Love keep a monogamous relationship healtlhy.
I'm sure being around the bush and pole a few times with others is a blast but settleing and have children with one man is just peachie for me. My son would think so too when he comes around to talking. LOL!
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Tue, February 26, 2008 - 9:11 AMI think it is a choice that is completely up to the person making it and it needs to be based on how you feel in your heart. In my heart, I really want to be in a monogomous relationship because it gives me safety and love and stability that I have never had. If I were more secure within all of these qualities, maybe I would try polyamory, but the thing is that, to me it just doesnt seem like polyamory can lead to the deepest connection and love possible. It seems like it is for people who are deeply scared of intimacy, therefore they spend their time with many different sexual partners instead of just one. In this sense, they dont have to get too close to any of them. -
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Tue, February 26, 2008 - 2:55 PMassumptions, assumptions, so often are wrong but we cant resist...
Poly doesn't equal many sexual partners or encounters, If you are poly you are sharing a person and your self, you would in fact have less sex in many cases...
If you have a partner out side your current relationship, or poly , you still have to tend with their life your life, getting sick, kids, schedules and and and so again sex is not the draw and is a very big myth...
If sex were the draw then I would just be a swinger, and they would be not be interested in intimacy at all...
Poly doesn't mean I am or some one is "deeply scared of intimacy" quite the reverse in many cases, I love it and love sharing it with as many that wish to also experience it with me..
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Tue, February 26, 2008 - 3:20 PMwell, Zemis, based on that description, I am a fucntioning poly with no sex.
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Tue, February 26, 2008 - 3:41 PM
Only if you ask nicely...
I'd love sex couple of times a day but its not the reality, at least not for me, its not my main focus..
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Wed, February 27, 2008 - 9:46 AMWell excuse me for making an "assumption" but most of the people I have ever known who said they were polyamorous were just out having sex with many different people and all of them had major walls up as though they were not willing to be intimate at all. I think the walls and polyamory made them feel safe inside. I personally do not like it, but if it is just you and your partner and one other person, I think that is reasonable. I am talking about multiple partners. -
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Wed, February 27, 2008 - 7:20 PMLove is Expansive.
Its not about "more of" something (or someone(s)) -its about consciously expanding one's felt expression of love (including intimacy) to include more than one person.
What's been true for me is that doing this has produced MORE opportunities for self-observance and produced additional shifts in my consciousness and awareness. Sure, sex is part of it (-possibly more sex) -and I think there's a beneficial aspect to experiencing Eros and sex with more than one partner (limited by your common sense and authentic desire -minus Ego)- but there's also more opportunity for upset or button pushing with the added sex, so until you get your self together, there's just more opportunity for "wobbles" and "upsets."
However, when it DOES mesh -its great!
Sunyata
www.mythiclove.net/sunyata
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Wed, June 4, 2008 - 4:54 PMRajaa wrote: I am only 22 but I do believe in Monogamy!
So do I, Rajaa. There is considerable evidence that it does indeed exist. I don't, however, believe that it is in any way the only workable system.
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Tue, May 20, 2008 - 10:17 AMHow on earth could monogamy be wrong? If the people in the relationship are the sort who like to pair for life then let them. Provided you aren't abusing each-other nobody can tell you how you should or shouldn't conduct your romantic relationships. It far is too personal of a thing for there to be one set of rules that works for everybody. If monogamy works for you, great! If polyamoury works for you, great! If swinging works for you, great! It's about what works for the people involved.
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Tue, May 20, 2008 - 8:35 PMDo you believe in the books, or yourself? And if the books... depends who's book you read.
There is "natural vs manmade" in which case... monogamy differs per individual, and at differend times in their lives. From personal experience (and we all benefit by speaking of ourselves only.. no generalizations) at different times I've naturally felt urges to move on to serial monogamy and abandon my tiring marriage. I have not, and can tell you it feels unnatural to fight urges to create a new monogamous relationship. Ever hear of the 7 year itch? that describes nature and human tendencies. Affairs, prostitution, or divorce... those may stem from natures programmatical imposition on being human. Can that be right or wrong? Its all subjective opinion.
The question of sacred.... I personally believe we can achieve some things within monogamy, and other queries into spirit, mind, body must be with new relationships and during the first phase of coupling. Once relationships reach maturity, there are some connections that can no longer be made... but new connections that arise. All depends on what you are learning and experiencing at a certain time in your journey.
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Wed, May 21, 2008 - 5:03 PMNot any more than any of the other relationship models are. If you're honest - completely honest - and have the informed consent of everyone you're involved in (pun intended), then no model is inherently wrong. If that's the way everyone involved wants it to be, and if it's done fairly and openly, then the terms of the social contract are being upheld and it's good.
A lot of people have posted very good comments about the fact that, biblical creation myth (please read Joseph Campbell before you attack me for use of this word which does NOT assume or imply that the story is or is not factual) aside, pure reckless abandon is what science now tells us was our original mating strategy. Screw anyone you can "catch." It must have been great fun.
Why, then, did human behavior change in 15% of societies? Three words: sexually transmitted disease. You have more kids if you get into a steady relationship than if you get killed (or cast out) because you caught something that makes you hurt and break out in warts/pox/whatever. I sure won't make it with you if you have. As humans became more mobile, more populous and even more copulous, human sex became a breeding ground for diseases, several of which are still with us and we all know one which has joined us recently.
Quite simply: pure uncontrolled random sex doesn't last long because it's not safe. If you want to be totally naked when you have sex, then fidelity becomes a biological imperitive, whether mono, poly or whatever. If you don't mind wearing a condom, welder's mask or whatever it takes, then other options become available at relatively low risk. Still, all involved or affected parties must agree to these risks because you expose your next lay to every sexual risk you've taken to date (or at least since your last complete clean bill of health).
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Wed, June 4, 2008 - 4:50 PMShambhalanth, you misread me completely. There's no fear mongering in my position, just an absolute bottom line for ethical behavior.
I observed that monogamy is a highly effective way of fighting the spread of STD's in a large unisolated society. That's not an issue that small isolated cultures have to be concerned with. I suggested that the development of monogamy was very likely due at least in part to this, not that it was right or wrong in and of itself. I also made clear that it is NOT the inherent nature of people to be monogamous. Disease is real, and it needs to be considered in any ethical consideration of the subject. It is also ethically incumbent upon absolutely everyone to ensure that all those they know they will expose to any increase in risk of anything have consented under full and honest disclosure to accept that risk.
Technology gives us some opportunities to mitigate the risks to acceptable levels; that doesn't mean that we have the right to take even those risks and expose others to them without their consent. It's not fear-mongering. It's a call for 100% complete honesty in all dealings of any kind that present increased risk for others. That is what I call the absolute minimum in ethical behavior.
There are some other observations coming out which include the fact that monogamy reduces testosterone levels because when you don't have to compete you don't need it constantly flowing. This leads to a hypothesis that the exceptional vigor with which man wages war may have given a survival advantage to societies that weren't as willing to start wars. Since excessive testosterone is a culprit in many violent acts as well, there is the potential that war may also have played a role.
Then again, maybe it's just that because reduced testosterone results in men having more hair more of their lives, that was a reproductive advantage! :)
Or maybe the stability of the family unit as we now know it increased the odds of survival of the offspring.
I don't think that any one explanation can completely cover the subject. There are lots of them out there, and I'm pretty confident that most of them play some role. I'm simply trying to present the ones that people in general are less likely to know.
We are by nature sexual wanderers, male and female alike, or there wouldn't be sperm that take on a defensive role to fight off other sperm. If you can do it SAFELY and with INFORMED CONSENT, then go for it. If not, then whatever situation you're in at the moment is what you're stuck with. If you can't get consent and it's that important then you need to consider getting out, but cheating is unacceptable.
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Sat, June 7, 2008 - 9:23 PM"There are some other observations coming out which include the fact that monogamy reduces testosterone levels because when you don't have to compete you don't need it constantly flowing. This leads to a hypothesis that the exceptional vigor with which man wages war may have given a survival advantage to societies that weren't as willing to start wars. Since excessive testosterone is a culprit in many violent acts as well, there is the potential that war may also have played a role. "
Recent research suggests that violent impulses have less to do with testosterone and more to do with progesterone, serotonin, and adrenalin. Testosterone seems more tied to sex drive and energy levels/productivity. Neither of these hormones are as important in predicting violent tendencies as the size, shape, and activity levels in the locus ceruleus, hypothalamus, amygdalae, and the general health and functioning of the endocrine system.
I would certainly agree that honesty is an ethical imperative but I strongly disagree with the implication that monogamy is as well.
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Tue, June 10, 2008 - 1:59 AMWell, Walking Bear, the way you presented what you wrote was highly inflammatory fear-mongering. You may not have meant to do so, but unfortunately, such fear-mongering has become a way of life among many--especially those in the media--and they are the first to deny that they are doing so.
Is monogamy a "highly effective way of fighting the spread of STDs in a large, unisolated society?" Theoretically, yes. However, the fact is that it is questionable that an unisolated society where everyone is either monogamous or is honest about the number of sexual partners they have had simply doesn't exist. Or perhaps you could name one?
So instead, you induced, or tried to induce--again, perhaps not meaning to do so--terror in the hearts of people reading your posts. You basically said: if you're not monogamous you're going to get sick and die!!!!!!! What do you call that? I mean, imagine you were saying, "either you follow what I say or you will get sick and die." How is that any different from a terrorist threat? And the purpose of terrorism is simply to induce fear and terror, not to resolve anything.
I would respectfully suggest that your comment, "the stability of the family unit as we now know it increased the odds of survival of the offspring" is simply false. Improved sanitation, health care, and education increases the odds of offspring.
You seem to be changing your tune, now, but your previous post was filled with wild, unsupported projections of your own perceptions, not of facts:
"You have more kids if you get into a steady relationship"
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"As humans became more mobile, more populous and even more copulous, human sex became a breeding ground for diseases, several of which are still w
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