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Hello everyone and Sherpa,
I have just read the article 'The NEUROPHARMACY of an EIGHT-CIRCUIT BRAIN' by Antero Alli (www.paratheatrical.com/pages/...N.html)
I noted that Reichean Therapy is listed as an 'emotional catalyst' under the second circuit. This makes sense to me, but as I experience reichean therapy (RT) and from what I read it affects more circuits than the second one. My question is: doesn't RT stimulate the fifth and sixth circuits as well?
I have just read the article 'The NEUROPHARMACY of an EIGHT-CIRCUIT BRAIN' by Antero Alli (www.paratheatrical.com/pages/...N.html)
I noted that Reichean Therapy is listed as an 'emotional catalyst' under the second circuit. This makes sense to me, but as I experience reichean therapy (RT) and from what I read it affects more circuits than the second one. My question is: doesn't RT stimulate the fifth and sixth circuits as well?
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Re: 2nd Circuit and Reichean Therapy
Mon, August 3, 2009 - 2:20 PMI wrote that article almost 20 years ago and have since realized its limitations, thanks to my ongoing research in this field. Now, I think any body-centered therapy (not the talking kind) can catalyze C-2 opening and, with Reichean work and holotropic breathwork, the influx of convulsive catharsis of emotion. However, depending on the individual, other circuits can also be activated by these body-based therapies. But I really think it depends on the individual CNS/personality as to what centers and states can be accessed by these methods.
I have discovered that when C-2 is opened and integrated, it can act as a stabilizing anchor for C-6 shocks of accelerated (psychic) perception and thus, allow for a safer expansion of C-6 and maybe C-7 experience. My forthcoming book, THE EIGHT-CIRCUIT BRAIN, goes into this process more extensively than I ever could begin to explain here.
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Re: 2nd Circuit and Reichean Therapy
Mon, August 3, 2009 - 5:00 PMI would assume that most neo-Reichian therapies will most certainly affect C1 and C2 rather quickly. Regarding C5, I can see how it would allow one to access C5
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I would caution that, IMO, somatic psychotherapy best serves one to fully realize one's self as body. C5 and above are "post-terrestrial" circuits (even though they may be realized on our little planet). -
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Re: 2nd Circuit and Reichean Therapy
Mon, August 3, 2009 - 5:41 PMre: "I would caution that, IMO, somatic psychotherapy best serves one to fully realize one's self as body. C5 and above are "post-terrestrial" circuits (even though they may be realized on our little plan"
I disagree.
According to my findings, C-6 faculties such as second attention and intuition, have opened up as a result of C-2 emotional catharsis and C-1 processes of feeling the body deeply. Emotional honesty can liberate perception and new wyas of seeing. Certain yogis practices (Raja and Kundalini) can also do this.
I think Leary's term "post-terrestrial" stems from his early fixation with space migration, an escapist obsession understandably accentuated by his time behind bars. I prefer to call the upper circuits, "post-survival" oriented since their safe and creative operation rely on solving the various survival problems symbolized by circuits 1-4. -
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Re: 2nd Circuit and Reichean Therapy
Mon, August 3, 2009 - 8:21 PMIt's all about Gestalt baby. Body centered, mindful, relational. Be Fritz. -
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Re: 2nd Circuit and Reichean Therapy
Mon, August 3, 2009 - 8:50 PM> Be Fritz.
Sounds like you've got some unfinished business... ;-) -
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Re: 2nd Circuit and Reichean Therapy
Mon, August 3, 2009 - 11:21 PMOh dear, I have to pee here now -
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Unsu...
Re: 2nd Circuit and Reichean Therapy
Tue, August 4, 2009 - 1:08 AMC2 C4 C5 C6 C2 C6 C8 C@ C# C% C^
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Re: 2nd Circuit and Reichean Therapy
Tue, August 4, 2009 - 12:13 PMsay more about that. -
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Re: 2nd Circuit and Reichean Therapy
Tue, August 4, 2009 - 12:55 PM<<say more about that.>>
about what? what? you wanna me read your mind?
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Re: 2nd Circuit and Reichean Therapy
Tue, August 4, 2009 - 1:51 AMThanks guys.
I have read the excerpts from of your next book, Sherpa. I'm very much looking forward to the rest of it! -
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Re: 2nd Circuit and Reichean Therapy
Tue, August 4, 2009 - 10:09 AMAccording to my current experience and understanding, C-5 represents the integration of body, emotion, mind and personality (C-4) and the here-now presence of being that is cultivated when the various schizms and misalignments in each of these faculties begin to dissolve, allowing for the rightful evolution of them as interconnected and in communication with one another. An absence of 'suffering' takes place when this occurs consciously, resulting in states of rapture. Allegorically, the problems of each of the centers of personality (C1-4) can be 'solved' more or less by the degree to which they get to know each other and to which they learn each others' language. The increasing crystallization of this results in what can be called the creation of a Soul - that integrated strata of Being that arises and comes to life as a result of the union of body and mind; personality and essence; form and spirit.
I much prefer Sherpa's term 'post-survival' rather than Leary's 'post-terrestrial', because, as he said, this reflects a naive body-escaping bias and overlooks the neccesity and in fact central role that the body has in containing the multi-dimensional self. C-5 cannot be post-terrestrial because it is the point in which the physical body and, if you will, the mundane planes of existence, are 'enlivened' with the life of the spirit. We are descenders, not just ascenders.
I see the Vision and Freedom of C-6 as only possible once the physical body and the central nervous system, and its gell-like matrix, are fixed and embodied - a process which itself takes place when the primal emotional nature of C-2 issues are confronted, 'aligned' and the individual comes into a realization of sincerity and honesty and an actualization of Conscience as source and guide on the earth plane.
Reichian therapy, for me, works with all of the lower circuits in order to bring about the awakening of C5 and C6. This perspective is largely from the fact that Reich's real insight was how C1, C2 and C3 are all related - elements in the psyche (C3) as reciprocal manifestations of emotional issues (C2) which effect and are effected by basic somatic tension (C1). Deal with all of them at once and one is opened to greater flexibility and safety in the ongoing process of C5 presence and accelerated perception and autonomy (C6).
These days I tend to see C2 and C6 as the same. Take care of the former and the latter unfolds by itself.
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Tue, August 4, 2009 - 10:09 AMbtw, 'pee here now' may be going on my toilet wall any time soon now.. -
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Re: 2nd Circuit and Reichean Therapy
Tue, August 4, 2009 - 2:50 PMI do apologize here for once again writing a large post and not really even getting to what I wanted to add to the discussion and instead reeling off my latest ponderings.
C2, baby, its all about C2. Gurdjieff himself said that although the Work was about working on/with and bringing together (to use this terminology) C1, C2 and C3 - he was fond of saying that the real work is ultimately needed in the emotions, that real change can only really occur there. Although Reichian therapy can be seen as working on all centers it is primarily concerned with aiding emotional catharsis and release which remains the hallmark of genuine self-change and, as Sherpa says, the keys to safely and sincerely unlocking the glories of those centers of consciousness concerned with exploring the strata of human potential. We cannot escape that it all begins with sincerity. lol -
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Re: 2nd Circuit and Reichean Therapy
Tue, August 4, 2009 - 2:56 PMAlso look to Jack Willis' Reichian Therapy book for a very interesting theoretical explanation on the nature and functions of Character, Personality and Behaviour. Very interesting indeed to add to thoughts about C4 as 'master cicuit' of C1-3 integration.
reichiantherapy.net/
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Re: 2nd Circuit and Reichean Therapy
Tue, August 4, 2009 - 11:20 PM"I do apologize here for once again writing a large post and not really even getting to what I wanted to add to the discussion and instead reeling off my latest ponderings. "
Don't apologize. I enjoy reading your ponderings. :-D
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Re: 2nd Circuit and Reichean Therapy
Wed, August 5, 2009 - 12:37 PMRe: Sherpa's "I disagree"
I concur with what you wrote, particularly with the notion of "post-survival" circuits.
After re-reading my post I noticed some typos.
Do you disagree that the purpose of body-oriented psychotherapy is to primarily work through C1 to C4 issues? Perhaps I was unclear in my post. What I wanted to communicate is that, IMO, psychotherapy (whether it be somatic, person-centered, gestalt, etc.) best serves the client by assisting HIr in increasing awareness of the only aspect of the "self" that always lives in the present: the body. One's thoughts and emotions are too often focused on the past and/or future. By focusing on the past/future, or due to prior trauma, one often loses one's sense of body.
This is not to say that C5 and up can't be "activated" through psychotherapy. It just does NOT seem to be a beneficial task of psychotherapy. AFTER one has made progress in therapy THEN one may embark upon the "higher" circuits. Do you disagree that working through C1 to C4 issues would be beneficial as the aims of psychotherapy? Perhaps my prior post was not clear.
Gurdjieff reportedly stated that one should not begin work on the "higher" centers until one has established oneself at the level of the "good householder". I tend to agree. Again, this is NOT to say that C5 and up won't benefit from therapy; it merely should NOT, IMO, be a goal in the therapeutic setting until AFTER one has worked through the "survival" circuits. Yes? -
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Re: 2nd Circuit and Reichean Therapy
Wed, August 5, 2009 - 1:05 PMHank.
I find your overall position around the purpose of psychotherapy as prudent and wise, especially in regards to siding with caution when approaching upper circuit work. That you interact with marginal personalities on a daily basis in your profession also gives you sound reason to stick with these values. However, I wonder if this environment of pathology hasn't minimized and dampened your spirit of adventure.
My position around psychotherapy, lower and upper circuit work, is also very personal to my circumstances. In my group paratheatre work -- which explores therapeutic catharsis, lower and upper circuit work -- I avoid unstable personalities altogether through a careful pre-work interview process. After this, I relate with each person on a case by case basis, rather than impose too rigid a framework -- one size does not fit all. I have discovered far too much deviation and diversity of individual experience to do otherwise.
This paratheatre process, coupled with my own bias as an artist, has also allowed me to view anomalies and other experiences beyond my categories in non-pathological ways. Pathology, in my opinion, has been clearly over-emphasized and given a priori status in the diagnostic and treatment procedures approved by the A.M.A.. Unfortunately, this accentuation of the negative has obscured a more creative and spiritual outlook and a more productive interpretation of the human conditions we cannot understand but which persist nonetheless. -
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Re: 2nd Circuit and Reichean Therapy
Wed, August 5, 2009 - 1:17 PM<<This is not to say that C5 and up can't be "activated" through psychotherapy. It just does NOT seem to be a beneficial task of psychotherapy. AFTER one has made progress in therapy THEN one may embark upon the "higher" circuits. Do you disagree that working through C1 to C4 issues would be beneficial as the aims of psychotherapy? Perhaps my prior post was not clear. >>
This is what I meant when I wrote, " I wonder if this environment of pathology hasn't minimized and dampened your spirit of adventure." C-5 experience is pleasure-rich and a natural outcome of satisfying basic C-1 needs such as feeling the body deeply, eating well and finding secure shelter. I think it's a naive mistake to overlook the vertical connectivities between upper and lower circuits (1-5, 2-6, 3-7, 4-8) and approach the lower circuits exclusively on their own merits before one feels "ready and totally prepared" for work on circuits 5-8.
How's your spirit of adventure these days, Hank? -
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Re: 2nd Circuit and Reichean Therapy
Wed, August 5, 2009 - 4:48 PMThere's an anomaly in my pants. -
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Re: 2nd Circuit and Reichean Therapy
Wed, August 5, 2009 - 5:02 PMQuack -- Just tell Tim to remove his hand. -
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Re: 2nd Circuit and Reichean Therapy
Fri, August 7, 2009 - 8:56 AMAhhh... Now that's what I call Reichean Therapy.
Thanks Tim!
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Re: 2nd Circuit and Reichean Therapy
Fri, August 7, 2009 - 6:24 PMRe: "I find your overall position around the purpose of psychotherapy as prudent and wise, especially in regards to siding with caution when approaching upper circuit work. That you interact with marginal personalities on a daily basis in your profession also gives you sound reason to stick with these values. However, I wonder if this environment of pathology hasn't minimized and dampened your spirit of adventure."
Again, I'm pretty much in agreement with you. As most folks here know, I don't work with the "worried well". And yes, eight years of working with chronic and severe mentally ill adults and the last six months of working with traumatized teens certainly leads me to have a bias towards C1 to C4 issues. I'm given free reign over my techniques but since I work for a DCFS contracted agency, my "spirit of adventure" is by necessity limited.
I'm glad you reminded me about my bias, though, cause I have a tendency to forget what it's like to work with clients who have resolved (in a relative sense, of course) their survival issues. With the economy in such a mess, not many folks can afford "luxury" therapy, and i feel fortunate to have a decent paying job. Here in the Chicago area, many, and I mean A LOT of agencies have lost funding due to the economic crisis. Quite a few therapist friends have had to close their private practice and others have lost their agency jobs.
I don't mention it much here, but I also utilize many techniques from General Semantics in my work. The "body" work must, in the clients I work with, be balanced with behavioral and cognitive psychoeducation. -
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Re: Sufi Therapy
Sat, August 8, 2009 - 1:52 AM;)
who here as actually performed the Movements? lets hear about them.
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Re: 2nd Circuit and Reichean Therapy
Fri, August 7, 2009 - 3:17 PMIn my humble opinion, Reichean Therapy is a bit overrated in these circles largely due to writing of Wilson and Hyatt's Undoing. Using a purely physical (C1) gateway to access core material and the organization of experience, the therapist is largely a mechanic working to rebuild and tune an engine. The relationship between therapist and client seems minimized. This was bleeding edge "body centered" work back in the forties and fifties and more modern incarnations such as rolfing are more readily available and possibly more effective.
I found it interesting that Willis writes that unresolved emotional material will work itself out through dreams. It seems like the real work in Reichean therapy is to integrate the material that is opened up through the course of the physical manipulation.
Possibly the biggest advantage (and risk) is that the therapy can largely be self administered.
The body centered therapies that I find interesting use mindfulness and felt-sense experience as access points for the work and methods of integration. Character strategy is often used as an assessment tool and measure of the here-and-now experience in these types of therapy.