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Anyone have any thoughts on RAW's perspective on Metaprogramming and why he thought it was a Circuit 7 activity?
In my experience it is clearly a Circuit 6 phenomena. Why do you think he saw it as C7?
Perhaps using the Autonomous Will of C6 to arrange C1-5 issues but with the energy and current of C7 ?
In my experience it is clearly a Circuit 6 phenomena. Why do you think he saw it as C7?
Perhaps using the Autonomous Will of C6 to arrange C1-5 issues but with the energy and current of C7 ?
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Re: Circuit 6 + 7 - Metaprogramming
Thu, July 2, 2009 - 6:17 AMGood queston. Maybe we'll never know. My speculation here is that Bob had an abrupt and powerful C-7 awakening, maybe with a very strong dose of LSD, and was exposed to that chain of biological command where DNA manufactures (and thus controls) the Brain & CNS which, in turn, controls the Body. If during such a powerful C-7 activation his ego identified with the DNA matrix, I could see how he might come out of this experience pegging C-7 as the metaprogramming circuit. He also saw C-7 linked with genetic engineering which can be seen as a type of metaprogramming. I think if Hitler had studied the 8-CB model, he also would have pegged C-7 as the metaprogramming circuit but with obviously very different motives.
Beyond genetic engineering, I don't think we can "program" C-7 or C-8 which to me signifiy states of consciousness so far beyond ego volition they border on the absurd. I think ego volition stops with C-6. I also think C-1 through C-6 can be self-modifed and even transformed through the Autonomous Will and Vision of C6 but only after it's suffuciently anchored in C-2 (and aligned with the imperatives and bias of the emotional body to keep things "real"). -
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Re: Circuit 6 + 7 - Metaprogramming
Thu, July 2, 2009 - 6:53 AMGood answer. From what you have written what I am reminded of is the nature of certain experiences - with psychadelics and other means - where such a high level of energy is engaged with so as to make one is so absorbed in the C7 experience of 'becoming the energy' that one's Will (C6) is completely (and thus in an imbalanced way) given over to the Will of the Gods, so to speak - instead of being effectively polarized between effecting and effected like what you wrote in Angel Tech - and that effective self-change (metaprogramming) is achieved by just letting go and allowing the currents of higher energy to move about the body themselves whilst we dance around like the fluffy and spoilt children of the Almighty. haha.
This is reflected in certain 'healing' techniques where people assume the benevolence of the 'Divine Creator' so much as to throw their power away to a disembodied entity and think that the most optimum state we can be is if we are the play things of the archetypes. In these experiences I guess the ego can be flipped into thinking that one is supposed to be in that state all of the time, whereas it is much more likely that Mr God wants us to be empowered enough to take care of things ourselves, using our Will but Receptive enough to the coaxing of genetic and cosmic intelligence (C7+8) LoL.
This sort of thing could also reflect the burnout of bad Acid trips when one is trying so hard to Control things that when they finally Let Go and it gives them peace, they get fixated on it and then leave the experience with such shock that they think that that Letting Go is what its all about - charging the polarity of their Will further.
I like your Hitler remark. I think in the RCG interviews and in Angel Tech you mention Hitler and how the nature of Evil is kind of like when a conscious entity thinks that it 'owns DNA' - when the nature of 'conscious creation' is fixated upon so much without the anchorage and Conscience of C2, that C3 runs around thinking it owns the whole show and that it is the one calling the shots (thinking that it's God)
No matter how free we are (C6) we are still food for the gods (C7+8). lol
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Re: Circuit 6 + 7 - Metaprogramming
Thu, July 2, 2009 - 7:07 AM<<No matter how free we are (C6) we are still food for the gods (C7+8). lol >>
Freedom is just a hallucination created by a pathological lack of paranoia -
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Re: Circuit 6 + 7 - Metaprogramming
Thu, July 2, 2009 - 7:14 AMhuh??
i'll think about that again and get back to you..
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Re: Circuit 6 + 7 - Metaprogramming
Fri, July 10, 2009 - 10:28 AMIn light of the discussion here tribes.tribe.net/karmamech...e709015163 and reading the essay here www.paratheatrical.com/pages/...k.html, a lot of light is now shed upon what I wrote above.
So inspiring
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Re: Circuit 6 + 7 - Metaprogramming
Mon, July 6, 2009 - 11:15 AMI forget the history but wilson and leary juggled the order of 6 and 7 a few times back in the 70s and 80s. -
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Re: Circuit 6 + 7 - Metaprogramming
Mon, July 6, 2009 - 11:24 AM<<wilson and leary juggled the order of 6 and 7 a few times back in the 70s and 80s.>>
and probably together over several shared LSD trips. -
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Crowley, Leary, and the 8CB
Fri, July 10, 2009 - 3:40 PMsubrosa.dailygrail.com/download.html
scroll down to issue 4 and the Crowley/Leary article on page 14.
What I find interesting about that story and semi-relevant to this discussion is that according to Higgs (in his Leary bio, not this article), the 8CB was developed by Leary and Barritt during this time together in Northern Africa. -
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Re: Crowley, Leary, and the 8CB
Fri, July 10, 2009 - 3:55 PM<<he 8CB was developed by Leary and Barritt during this time together in Northern Africa.>>
If so, why would Leary credit Professor Adams as the originator of what Leary would spin into the 8CB ? Why would Leary publish this account in his introduction to the first edition of his book, WHAT DOES WOMAN WANT ? According to Leary, the meeting with Adams happened at Milbrook in 1963. details at: deoxy.org/8origins.htm -
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Re: Crowley, Leary, and the 8CB
Fri, July 10, 2009 - 8:19 PMWell, the Adams thing does make for a good story.
Neurologic, written and published in 1973, does not include an 8th circuit, nor does it subdivide the circuits into 3 stages.
www.scribd.com/doc/235089...mothy-Leary
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Re: Crowley, Leary, and the 8CB
Fri, July 10, 2009 - 9:03 PMmaybe the universe really is made up of stories and not the atoms scientists have hypnotized everyone into believing in. has anybody here seen an atom ? -
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Re: Crowley, Leary, and the 8CB
Fri, July 10, 2009 - 9:29 PMI'm still trying to find my other sock. -
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Re: Crowley, Leary, and the 8CB
Fri, July 10, 2009 - 9:36 PMIt's behind the dryer where your wife dropped it. -
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Re: Crowley, Leary, and the 8CB
Fri, July 10, 2009 - 10:19 PMThis would be a perfect time to talk about this:www.ashra.com/disco/1731se.htm www.amazon.com/Seven-Up-A.../B000006Z59
My first introduction to the 8 Circuit Model was by listening to Krautrock - German psychedelic rock from the 70s - when i was 16 or so. The story goes that when Timothy Leary was in exile in Europe in 1972 he met with the Berlin band Ashra Tempel in Switzerland and spent some weeks taking acid having orgies and recording an album. The album was called 'Seven Up' and consisted of 2 tracks 'Space' and 'Time' which together made up 7 sections representing the 7 Levels/Circuits of Human Consciousness - a theory that he had been developing with some guy named Brian Barritt.
I remember reading many reviews where it goes into the story years ago, but can't seem to find them now. The point is is that in all of the Leary bios and stories I have read (none the books though) I have never to this day seen any mention of his time with Ashra Tempel or this record. The story went that he later added an 8th Level/Circuit. Within a year he would be arrested in Afghanistan and sent to Prison where he would be writing the books.
The only information I can ever find is from reviews about this record which is much more Krautrock-mythos-invested rather than Leary-8cb-interested.
He did write the Seven Tongues of God as early as 1963 www.luminist.org/archives/7tongues.htm also
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Re: Crowley, Leary, and the 8CB
Sat, July 11, 2009 - 8:31 AMHiggs covers this in his bio, "I Have America Surrounded." It'sa good read. -
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Re: Crowley, Leary, and the 8CB
Sat, July 11, 2009 - 11:47 AMI like what Leary used to say about himself: "Everybody gets the Timothy Leary they deserve."
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Re: Crowley, Leary, and the 8CB
Sun, July 12, 2009 - 12:25 AMLeary definitely didnt seem to let the "truth" get in the way of a good story... or to be too shy of paradox and contradiction...
"The truth lies half-way between a lie and a fiction" - Space Ape -
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Re: Crowley, Leary, and the 8CB
Sun, July 12, 2009 - 1:11 AM'marked by the memories of our future past, its the beginning not the end that we have to reach last' -
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Re: Crowley, Leary, and the 8CB
Sun, July 12, 2009 - 1:12 AM"lately theres been a serious rise of the pressure.
attention so visceral, we have to take serious measures
listen all the voices becomes merciless doom,
twisting up the secrets that tomorrow that will bring
in true science we find alliance to endure reality,
creating blinding lights of fiction, as our only clarity
marked by the memories of our future past,
its the beginning not the end that we have to reach last
its a dangerous game, to flex with forces untamed
like trying to capture matter, for political ideals
strange as it may seem, but secrets never come clean
the levels are complex, the facts more extreme
dream lines multiply to an infinite point,
twisted like an ... trying to fix a point
you are me, me and we, feed the sea among the dress,
take a glance over ya shoulder boy, you might see whats coming next
the need for sure science is a neccesary mask
securing fear of maturity to the absolute last" -
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Re: Crowley, Leary, and the 8CB
Sun, July 12, 2009 - 1:13 AMkode9 and his hyperdub dubstep-mythos is very Leary-Wilson-Hakim Bey sort of stuff, for sure..
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Re: Circuit 6 + 7 - Metaprogramming
Sun, July 12, 2009 - 6:48 AMI think and hope the metaprogramming circuit is accessible from C6. It should be - the ego is suspended, and the raw data is there to select an imprint. And the mushrooms are much more available than real LSD. :-)
Mushrooms incorporate the DMT structure, which is C8. They're very good medicine. :-)
