Leo&Scorpios. [A BIG CLASH OF EGOES]

topic posted Sun, March 11, 2007 - 1:40 AM by  Shezy_Sherin...
We both have egoes. But they could get a great friendship as i do.

Let's begin on a positive note. One thing Leo and Scorpio share is an honest respect for one another. As mentioned before all Fire Signs (and Leos are no exception to the rule), instinctively comprehend that their bright enthusiasms can be drowned in Scorpio's watery depths-just as all Water Signs, like Scorpio, intuitively realize that if Leo's fires are allowed to blaze uncontrolled, they can come dangerously close to dehydrating their sensitivity, causing them to nearly disappear-if not entirely. A Scorpio will crawl away in the dark of night, rather than face final dehydration from a Leo mate, relative or friend. Scorps are self-protective. Very.
Both Sun Signs are Fixed in nature, and have a secret desire to dominate. Well, at least with Scorpio it's a secret desire; with the Lion, it's more or less obvious-unless the latter is a Leo who is submerging the natural Leonine ego, a very unhealthy thing to do. To casual observers of this pair it appears that Leo must eventually win control, the Lion or Lioness being so transparent about his or her goal as ruler of the relationship. But not all casual observers are astrologers. If they were, they'd take care not to underestimate Scorpio's subtle, long-range strategies, the power gained by keeping motives hidden, the effectiveness of a surprise attack when it is least expected. Careful calculation is advised before predicting the outcome of an association between these two astrological creatures-in the office,the family circle, or the marital scene.
The Scorpion is sensitive, and so will sense instinctively when Leo's pride is injured, then be enormously comforting and protective... when and outsider has done the hurting. When the wounds have been inflicted by the Scorpion himself (or herself), however, Leo may feel that Atilla the Hun would have more compassion. It's not anyone's fault but yours, Leo. Over and over again I've warned you that Scorpios mean business when they are miffed. They'll sting in retaliation. When Scorpio is mad, Scorpio is mad, and there is no trying to coax them out of it. Going away until it blows over won't help either. The anger will still be there when you return. Since Scorpios are not the overlooking kind, the only safe way to handle one and not get stung is to be careful not to push the Pluto-ruled person too far too often.
Unfortunately, Leo will seldom accept such advice. Treading carefully around Scorpions is for the cowardly. The proud and dauntless Leonine character scorns such caution, so Leo often pulls out all the stops, and the devil-take-the-hindmost. A friendly suggestion: Watch it. The devil just may do that.

Strangely the relationship between children and adults, whether related or not, in this particular 4-10 Pattern, is frequently very close, even touching. There is something hauntingly paternal or maternal in the attitude of the older Leo or Scorpio to the younger Scorpio or Leo. It is a joy to behold, delightful to experience. Perhaps this is because the younger Leo has not had time to acquire such fierce pride, therefore will not resent an older Scorpion's intense protective gestures. And it may be that the younger Eagles have not yet developed the full Pluto retaliatory nature, therefore can accept the Leo's dramatics more good-naturedly. The older these two become,however, the more effort they'll have to exert to achieve harmony. I know a young Scorpio boy who formed a deep attachment for an older Leo man. The latter was like a big brother to the youngster, whose own Aquarian big brother was, at the time, weathering the storms of adolescence, and therefore behaving with detachment towards him.
When a Scorpio finds someone or something worthy of respect, no one can be more respectful than a young Eagle, and Mike, the Scorpio boy, found much to respect in his older Leo companion. Bob, the Lion, patiently and lovingly taught the boy how to catch a lizard with string, then let it go free near a fish pond, how to fly a kite and make it soar among the clouds an eagle! He told him Hobbit stories, complete with sound effects, answered his questions, with great seriousness, about how the handle of a car door works, and even sternly advised the boys mother that the youngster was not a slave just because he was years younger than she, that he deserved to be treated with respect and to be asked-not rudely ordered-to run errands for her. All this slowly but surely imbedded itself into the Pluto subconscious. Then came the day when they were standing together on a rock at the edge of the ocean in Pismo Beach, California, and a huge wave appeared suddenly, completely engulfing them. If the Lion had not held tightly to the boy, he would have been washed away out to sea, and the child couldn't swim. That sealed the relationship. The boy firmly believed his Leo friend had saved his life, and he was ready to worship him forever after. (Leos can stand a lot of that!)
Later, the Lion, through no fault of his own, has to go away. His absence dragged on for nearly seven years. The Scorpio boy was leaving his childhood behind with each passing year-yet, not once, in all that time, did he waver in his intense loyalty to the far-away Lion. Although there had been no communication of any kind between them, he would listen to no negative word against his friend. He knew he had a good reason to go away, just as he knew he would return. And one day..he did. Scorpio is seldom wrong in judging character.

I also knew a small scorpio girl in Falls Village, Connecticut, who feels the same way about her real-life blood-brother Lion, and showers him with absolute adoration. The Big Cat loves it, of course, and the devotion is mutual. It's the same thing when Leo is the youngster, Scorpio is the older one. Both Sun Signs instinctively protect the weaker. Between the Sun-ruled and the Pluto-ruled, it's an "all or nothing-at-all relationship". Neither the Eagle nor the Lion or Lioness can handle caring casually. They will be passionately attached-or ignore one another. No middle ground for these two, whatever the association.
In the less fortunate Leo-Scorpio combinations, the initial attraction may last more briefly than both believed it would when it began. It won't take long for disenchantment to set in if one of them has an incompatible Moon Sign, for Scorpio's attitude of "I'm always right," even though unspoken, will frustrate, then annoy Leo. Superiority needn't be verbalized by Scorp. A long, hard stare of cool confidence can project the message quite clearly. The Leonine resentment then may seem unjust, since Leo is an equally recognized expert in the conviction of his or her privilege of infallibility-of being always right, while everyone else is always wrong. (Yet, somehow, the Lion or Lioness is never quite as certain of this as a Scorpion.) The smug "I'm superior" attitudes of these two are so similar, you'd think they'd be more tolerant of one another's egos, but it doesn't always work that way. In a human relationship, there's room for only one person to be always right the way Leo and Scorpio are always right (they think) .
The Fixity of both signs doesn't help matters. Fixity is another word for stubbornness, a little milder in meaning perhaps, nevertheless making it difficult to swerve or sway a Leo or Scorpio from a set position or opinion. Try it, when you have lots of time to spare. You'll soon understand what astrology means by a fixed sign. (leo, Scorpio, Taurus, and Aquarius are the fixed signs.)
Scorpio may remain quiet during a leonine monologue, but don't be fooled. No Scorp is going to accept opinions from a Leo without being totally convinced of their validity. The Scorpio will either object outright with a blunt refusal to accept the Leonine views being arrogantly pressed upon him-or her-or find a way to avoid the whole issue. Sneaky. That's the word for it. At least that's the word Leo would choose to describe the way Scorpio slides, crawls and slithers away from obeying his or her Majesty's commands. There's nothing sneaky about Leo; even Scorpio will admit that. What these Kings and Queens desire and demand is made clear to all peasants. No, Leos are not sneaky-just a little bossy. And spoiled. And accustomed to getting their own way since they were cubs. Yet they're so warm and sunny, so generous and friendly, despite those commanding airs, that even the normally perceptive Scorpion may not immediately sense the danger of dehydration-or worse. Likewise, Scorps are so gifted with the subtle talent of appearing to give and inch that it may be a while until Leo recognizes the situation as another Waterloo.
When Leo is injured, he or she will either pout or roar. The later behavior will disturb Scorpio's sensitive psyche the first few times, causing an apparent retreat-but if either the pouting or roaring is repeated with unnecessary frequency, eventually all Leo will get for such dramatics from the Scorp is that frustrating, long, hard, cold Pluto stare. Being stared down by a Scorpion is about as pleasant as making mudpies in a sandbox full of black widow spiders. It does absolutely nothing for the Leonine sense of self importance.
If these two play down the personal element, and keep their mutual endeavors centered on abstract goals outside themselves, they can operate as a smooth unit, a formidable threat to outsiders who try to conquer them by smothering Leo's fire or making waves in Scorpio's water
But if Leo's impulsive ideals and generous spirit are watered down so often that those splendid Leonine dreams are dampened to the point of crumbling, the Scorpio will be banished from the Kingdom-or the Leo will leave himself (or herself) and move to another castle where one can expect to receive the proper respect for royalty. It would also behoove Leo to curb that bossy attitude with Scorpio. From no other Sun Sign will the Lion or Lioness receive such depth of loyalty and devotion. It must be earned. Still, it's well worth swallowing a few lumps of pride now and then to be worshiped with the kind of intensity only Pluto can give.

  • Re: Leo&Scorpios. [A BIG CLASH OF EGOES]

    Mon, March 12, 2007 - 8:47 AM
    So... being a Leo sun sign, with Scorpio ascendant...

    I am intensely loyal, but I also hold grudges indefinitely.

    One might say... I'm intensely loyal to my grudges.

    And yes, when my patience has run thin... it IS goodbye... but the scorned must be careful NEVER to cross my path again because I will do everything in my power to destroy that person.

    It's such a nasty trait I have. Working on it... I am. Honestly... but it keeps happening.
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      Re: Leo&Scorpios. [A BIG CLASH OF EGOES]

      Sat, March 17, 2007 - 7:48 AM

      Sounds like we have similarities. My ascendant is Leo and I've got a Scorpio moon. What fire and water makes is creativity. It's nice.
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        Re: Leo&Scorpios. [A BIG CLASH OF EGOES]

        Sat, March 17, 2007 - 5:29 PM
        I am Leo sun & rising with Scorpio moon also. Another influence is having Pluto conjunct my sun in the first house, exactly square my moon in the 4th. I think the influences show the energy you have when you are born into this life. I held grudges a lot as a child and didn't want to let go of them. I remember writing reminders of why I was mad at my brother and posting them on my door so the Leo energy wouldn't make me forgive him and let go of it. Leo won, and I have since worked on being more forgiving. Having Leo sun and rising is a great gift. It's hard to stay down for long...."the sun'll come up tomorrow..."

        After studying my whole family (very Leo, Father: Leo rising and brother and now son, Leo moon), I think that you attract those that are different. I have never had any Leo sun friends but have experienced the "full Leo" energy through the Leo moons. I also think where your Chiron is affects who you draw to you. Mine is in the 5th (ruled by Leo). The square between Leo and Scorpio provides a good tension to resolve the negative qualities of my Scorpio moon. I also have Chiron in Sagittarius which has meant a lot of that energy coming to me: Father Sag/Gemini; Husband Pisces/Sag/Gem; and 4 out of 5 in-laws with Sag. moons. I have a nat. ruler with Jupiter in the 9th which I think draws Sag. moons too.

        Opposites do seem to attract. I am more likely to have an Aquarius friend - which is my 7th house of relationship. That seems to be how it works. I studied 100 couples (famous and friends) and only about 5% had either the same or opposite of their sun sign whereas the chance of having a child the opposite was 30 -40%. An interesting thing. Even though the 7th is usually opposite, in a partner it seems more like to be their moon sign than sun sign. If your moon has your issues, mainly emotional, and your sun and rising sign energies help you work them out, then to have an opposite sun would be in the wrong direction. Anyway, what I've seen in charts seems to support this.
        • Re: Leo&Scorpios. [A BIG CLASH OF EGOES]

          Sun, March 18, 2007 - 12:57 AM
          Scorpios do nothing but lie, manipulate others, and are just plain least all the ones i know. Everything ive ever been shown by a scorpio is everything leos hate....i havent found one thing i like about them yet. I just know that i need to stay away from them all together....
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            Sun, March 18, 2007 - 5:33 PM
            My first love was a was wonderful.......he was hot.....great conversation....hummm great everything then he broke my heart he just ended it no explanation ......nothing two years and that's it. This was when I was 16 & 17 but to this day I'll never forget the hurt it cause.
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    Re: Leo&Scorpios. [A BIG CLASH OF EGOES]

    Sat, March 17, 2007 - 7:46 AM
    Leo's and Scorpios are a train wreck waiting to happen. I would think that Aries and Scorpio would be a better match. They're both ruled by Mars and if they are on the same side working toward the same goal, could get a long famously. Then there's the Pluto influence in Scorpio. The darker side of it. The jealous and possessiveness. I feel both but I try to keep more a positive mental attitude with my Scorpio influence.
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    Re: Leo&Scorpios. [A BIG CLASH OF EGOES]

    Mon, March 19, 2007 - 2:48 AM
    Hi diane!

    I'm sun and rising leo and moon scorpio too!

    I also have pluto conjunct moon and square sun, so I can be a little dark sometimes but eventually the sun always rises again and I'm the happy and positive person that I am!

    Oh, and I used to think about making a revenge list to keep score of all the wrongs done to me, of every snowball thrown at me and so on, I'd pay it all back twice as bad! I never did it though. :)

    I like scorpios, they seem interesting. I'd like to have them as friends.
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      Re: Leo&Scorpios. [A BIG CLASH OF EGOES]

      Mon, March 19, 2007 - 2:32 PM
      Your chart sounds like it would be interesting. If you give me your time/place/date of birth, I could give you my take on it. I've been analyzing families and trying to develop a way to guess the time of birth. Yours is opposite mine with Pluto conjunct your moon which sounds very powerful. I'm also using Chiron, the nodes and the pre-natal eclipses, to point to what is the most important part of the chart. So far, it seems the natural rulers of the Chiron position, seem to be who family and friends tend to be. I have the node in the 8th house which I interpret to mean, I am a Scorpio who has become a little too materialistic and need to regain my Scorpio roots, so therefore, I've never been drawn to Taurus moons, who would only re-inforce my bad habits. My best friend as a child was Scorpio sun and Taurus moon, which I think highlighted the contrasts between the two. From the charts I've looked at, you have to match up in more ways than just the sun or moon. I think we're attracted to different people based on vibration and it's usually because we match up in our most challenging areas and are very different in others. Anyway, give me your data if you're interested. I haven't met a single Leo sun & rising and was curious how many there were out there. Do you find that you're willing to confront issues that others don't? This has been another theme in my life - which why I wondered if there were many out there since most people don't really want to deal with issues.
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        Re: Leo&Scorpios. [A BIG CLASH OF EGOES]

        Tue, March 20, 2007 - 8:16 AM
        "Do you find that you're willing to confront issues that others don't? This has been another theme in my life - which why I wondered if there were many out there since most people don't really want to deal with issues."

        Hmm yes, I guess I could say so. I can get disturbed easily and I can't get things out of my head so I need to deal with it all. Knowledge is power and I want to feel safe knowing things. I'm a bit of a control freak but it's not all bad since it also leads to understanding things and I want to get to the bottom of everything. I'm quite open and expressive so I also try to talk about things. I find it hard though. I like to solve problems but it can happen slowly. I feel I need to be more brave and assertive and not always think too much before I do something that's new and scary to me.

        I'd be nice to hear your take on my chart. I'll message you my birth data.
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          Re: Leo&Scorpios. [A BIG CLASH OF EGOES]

          Tue, March 20, 2007 - 1:54 PM
          Getting to the bottom of things is very scorpio - maybe the Leo part is pushing you out there before you know *everything*. So far I have just done "celebs" or people I know and their families, in person. I usually like to supplement it with some excerpts from the books that are in harmony with what I have come to believe. If frequently takes a couple of hours when I meet in person and it's just "scratching the surface". It will be fun to do another Scorpio/Leo. I'll see how much I can hit it without knowing you.

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