So, usually I will post a much longer bit - but i'm really hurting it just seems that with spring in the air and all the new kids in the club it was time to beat the old "food allergy and intolerance" horse.
Essentially it's this, and i'm hoping the ol' timers will share some too...
Because our body chemistry is so very sensitive to even the smallest bothers it's vital to look at diet. Luckily over the last several years there has been a font of information on this topic that can be easily googled (medical search).
Many people here have either heard of or tired the Guaifenesin Protocol (can't spell) www.fibromyalgiatreatment.com/
to varied degrees of success..while I never took the Guaif I did follow other aspects (giving up all petrol products in my food, cosmetics etc... (yea...I've still got the car, but that's it).
I additionally found out I was intolerant to soy and soy based products, so that is gone from my diet (far harder than the petrol, but I mostly manage) ... other key foods for many fibro patients are gluten/wheat, fake sugars, real sugars, lactose (dairy), eggs or anythign with sulphur content,chocolate, grain alcohols, wines, beers....
I am the queen of the food and mood journal, you can easily create your own with just a word document or go online for an array of ideas and templets.
The Idiots Guide to Fibromyalgia which was mostly written by Lynne Mayatella - head of the National Fibromyalgia Association- has a decent one.... or you can PM me for the above mentioned down and dirty word doc... free and customized by you for you.... ;-0)
Essentially remember this... FMS and your auto immune system tend to act like comic book arch nemesis.... and your AI system starts in your tummy (more or less... ) so...what goes in... could really be screwing up your day.
So, again, in clsing my big one was the soy... it took a year and a bit to give it up fully and get it out of my diet with no binges ... the benefits were that while I still have migraines I lost a nagging daily headache that i'd had for years... like three years... I also had my skin color change from an odd jaunced yellow to the normal pasty white a Scottish-German Gal who doesn't go into the sun should look like... I've also lost a lot of weight.. .i have more to go... but i'm more than 1/2 way done!
Be well all.... this has been your PSA from your FMSA moderator.... this is only a test... (he he he)
Essentially it's this, and i'm hoping the ol' timers will share some too...
Because our body chemistry is so very sensitive to even the smallest bothers it's vital to look at diet. Luckily over the last several years there has been a font of information on this topic that can be easily googled (medical search).
Many people here have either heard of or tired the Guaifenesin Protocol (can't spell) www.fibromyalgiatreatment.com/
to varied degrees of success..while I never took the Guaif I did follow other aspects (giving up all petrol products in my food, cosmetics etc... (yea...I've still got the car, but that's it).
I additionally found out I was intolerant to soy and soy based products, so that is gone from my diet (far harder than the petrol, but I mostly manage) ... other key foods for many fibro patients are gluten/wheat, fake sugars, real sugars, lactose (dairy), eggs or anythign with sulphur content,chocolate, grain alcohols, wines, beers....
I am the queen of the food and mood journal, you can easily create your own with just a word document or go online for an array of ideas and templets.
The Idiots Guide to Fibromyalgia which was mostly written by Lynne Mayatella - head of the National Fibromyalgia Association- has a decent one.... or you can PM me for the above mentioned down and dirty word doc... free and customized by you for you.... ;-0)
Essentially remember this... FMS and your auto immune system tend to act like comic book arch nemesis.... and your AI system starts in your tummy (more or less... ) so...what goes in... could really be screwing up your day.
So, again, in clsing my big one was the soy... it took a year and a bit to give it up fully and get it out of my diet with no binges ... the benefits were that while I still have migraines I lost a nagging daily headache that i'd had for years... like three years... I also had my skin color change from an odd jaunced yellow to the normal pasty white a Scottish-German Gal who doesn't go into the sun should look like... I've also lost a lot of weight.. .i have more to go... but i'm more than 1/2 way done!
Be well all.... this has been your PSA from your FMSA moderator.... this is only a test... (he he he)
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Sat, May 3, 2008 - 9:50 AMWhat about us carb addicts? I have no problem with soy. My ex was on Adkin's for a while and there is just a weird aftertaste to the soy flour and stuff. But I am such a junkie with pasta and bread and such. I've been trying desperately to cut down and, hopefully, eventually, eliminate it,but it's soooo hard for me. Especially during the flare-ups and being in too much pain to prepare a meal. I wind up ordering delivery food much more often than I want to admit. And, of course, my family background is Pennsylvania German and we were quite poor when I was growing up, so my comfort foods are dumplings and noodles and the like. We never even had meat very often because it was too expensive. My mother's biggest specialties were tomato soup with grilled cheese sandwiches or macaroni with tomato soup - soup, not sauce, because it was less expensive.
Any advice on this? Changing dietary habits is hard for anyone, but I seem to have more difficulty than most.
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Sat, May 3, 2008 - 1:15 PMPaidia - great topic!
I personally tried the Guai protocol for about 9 months and while my Dr. said I was improving (my fibro nodules were disappearing) I was feeling worse and worse - which is the effect of Guai since it basically cleans out your body and you relive your symptoms from the most recent to the oldest. My Dr. (Dr. St. Amand who discovered the protocol) told me I could be completely clean back to normal in a year and a half. The problem with this is that being in school full time I don't have a year and a half to feel worse. Not now, not till I finish school. Then I will try it again.
That said, my back began hurting worse than it ever has before. For this, the only cure I've found so far was swimming in the ocean daily while on vacation, but at home I can't do this. I see a new Dr. for my back in a couple of weeks. In the meantime I have given up gluten, soy and cow's milk. I was definitely allergic to soy as every time I eat it I get bloated and my nose runs. Wheat too - bloats. Cow's milk as well. And now, although tired from studying non-stop, I feel pretty good. Another word on soy - one of my Drs says they discovered that 1 cup (or is it 1/2 a cup, sorry can't remember exactly) of soy per day reduces your thyroid functioning by 35% = not good.
I also found that it's essential to take fish oil daily (you can use flax oil but it's not quite as good) - I prefer Nordic Naturals liquid (tastes like orange), also essential are Vitamin E (daily intake of 400iu of viti E reduces strokes by 30%) and 400iu or a little less (no more than that!) of viti D per day - unless you spend an adequate amount of time in the sun.
As for carbs vs proteins. There are some people who are better off on carbs, some who are better on proteins and those who are a mix. It's called metabolic typing and you can take the test online for free here to figure out which one you are:
www.naturalhealthyellowpages.com/m...ml
If you are not a carb processor (see metabolic typing above) and crave them it's because you are addicted to them (just like cigarette smokers crave cigarettes even though they aren't good for us, etc.) - and personally the way I cut out gluten (and I LOVE it) was to replace it with rice crackers, rice pasta, bread made from tapioca and rice, etc. I also found a great gluten free (and a lot of dairy free too) bakery that delivers: www.mariposabaking.com
There are tons of alternatives now too, in health food stores. Whole Foods just started carrying their own line. They have fantastic pizza crust mix - gluten free. I've also been making terrific gluten free pancakes. Even Trader Joes carries gluten free crackers/chips.
The most common food allergens in this order are:
Wheat
all gluten (there are 5 gluten grains but I can't remember them all, they can be googled)
Soy
Cow's Milk
Eggs
Corn
If you bloat after eating or if your nose runs after eating a particular food - this is your bodies way of telling you that you have an allergy to that type of food.
Hope this was helpful :) Back to studying now!
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Sat, May 3, 2008 - 2:51 PMwell...the hardest part is that you tend to be 'addicted" to the foods that harm you the most... I love soy stuff....and show signs of addiction...if I have a little I want more, will eat it in secret, have withdrawal symptoms while detoxing it...that are sometimes as nasty as coming off pharmaceuticles... like giving up my methadone...ug.... so...sorry sweets, no easy answers here... could be your favorites are hurting you... the good news is that you can change your taste buds...it takes time...go without for awhie, then you eat it, it makes you sick and your stomach hurts and os forth.... you start getting negitave connections so mentally you don't want it...and soon it tastes different... you know... I tried a twinkie about 3 months back and spat the first bite out...it was so nasty...
I would try a food diary...if you eat something and feel sick or in more pain, or extra headachy etc... 1-2-4-6 or 12 hours after... or have really odd stool etc... chances are...not okay for you to eat....
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Sun, May 4, 2008 - 9:34 AMFructose corn syrup is evil, and its in *everything*. I went nuts with trying to balance my diet, so i went back to the old school methods. SInce we are all so different i find that the ayervedic approach is pretty on point. It breaks you down in to your body type both internal and external, and from there you plan out your diet. I actually shop at the asian market mostly, its the same as regular super mart but they havnt begun incorperating corn syrup into everything. There are a few good books out there, i dont have the names on hand but if anyone is interested just let me know, Fibromyalgia is also linked as a digestive problem in this system as well. So dont run but cleansing your intestine. I have IBS, hietal hernia, gall issues, i mean my organ were on total rebellion and keeping the bowel regular has cut them all in half and continues to work well. Herbal colon cleansers suck for maybe 3 days till all the old waste that gets stuck in your intestins from junk foods and all is removed and if you remain on a healthy it levels off and you belly is so very happy to digest. ^.^ I also switche dto flat breads to stop the whole yeast thing and VEGGIES, its was harder than giving up chocolate but no meat chicken fish or eggs has done wonders, though i still do a few pieces of cheese daily and since this herbal drink i can even take in some fat free milk now. just make sure you keep your protiene up. sorry to ramble but its really awesome stuff
oh and if you go to see an ayervedic pratictioner watch out new age con artists. a 2 year certifacation or something cheesy like that doesnt not qualify for much of anything. they should at least have 4-8 years of study in just the ayervedic field as well as 4 year MD at least. Or i have friends in india if you come up with questions.
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Sun, May 4, 2008 - 10:33 AMsorry was off in my daily viti d dosage - it's 2,000 iu per day but less for children, the interweb says 1,000 - but I would double check on that.
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Sun, May 4, 2008 - 10:37 AMGood information meagan!! I use a lot of Avd. cooking and princepals as well... and yea...t he no yeast thing does make a difference... I was so happy to find soy free tortillas that i didn't hav eto make... and I love my yeast free/soy free crumpets, flat breads adn so forth...it makes it easier to deal with cravings...
we also make all our own pasta using pure semolina flour and egg whites very tasty, fast and cheap.
Lots of rice in this house... Pi can't hack brown...so I do use white rice...I just eat even less and alway eat rice with either a salad or a pickle before or after to aid digestion.... these are just tips that work for me.... but combined with the other great information given here you all can see how teaking ones diet is important.... very important....luck to all -
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Sun, May 4, 2008 - 5:41 PMLots of great information here! I didn't realize soy could be a problem. I make a matcha green tea soy smoothie every morning (to replace my very much missed coffee). I'll have to stop that for a bit and see if I notice any change. I did a detox diet back in December. I read it in a book called Reversing Fibromyalgia. I really did go through my symptoms backwards as stated in the above post. I mean, I felt worse then ever and was having pains I hadn't had in a long time. But after about 2 months, I felt better than I had in a long time and finally felt more in control over my body. Part of the detox diet, was after the initial period, you could start to incoporate things back slowly and keep track of how you felt each day. For me sugar is my downfall. I have found that when I eat too much refined sugar, afterwards for days I have that really "foggy" feeling. Extremely irritable, very hard to concentrate, tons of soreness all over. I can't control my sweet tooth (even when I realize the consequences of the Ben and Jerry's chubby hubby). What I try to do is replace my refined sugar favorites with things sweetened with fruit juice or honey. Now I know there are a lot of articles out there that say, sugar is sugar. But my personal experience is that the raw sugars, and natural sweetners do not have the same effect on me as the refined bleached sugars. I also try to eat as little red meat as possible. We're coming up on hamburg and hotdog season and it's hard when you're invited to friends and family for cookouts, to refuse all the things you know you shouldn't be eating. Sometimes I worry that my friends and family will get tired of my constant, "oh, I can't eat that", or "oh, I only eat organic this or natural that". I feel sort of like a food snob but it really boils down to food can equal pain for me depending on what it is. It's very hard to get people to understand this though. Especially the older generation who I feel think I'm being ridiculous. If someone has heart disease or diabetes, the diet modifications are well accepted. Yet with fibromyalgia this is just one more part of the disease that can make you feel like an outsider .We just got back from a weekend at Lake Erie with Elaine's family. The food consisted of donuts for breakfast with coffee, sugar pop, hot dogs, hamburgers, potato chips etc. Now I did bring apples, some cereal and a salad, but I feel like the outcast. They know I have this condition, but I don't think they fully understand the food/pain connection.. I struggle with watching them enjoying all this junkfood, and then continue about their day just fine, where as if I were to indulge, I would face probably the whole next week in a haze with headaches and back pain. My diet change has come just recently so I'm still coping with all that comes with that. We live in a culture where food is love and family is surrounded by food. It's hard to suddenly eat radically different and try to make everybody understand and respect why you are choosing to do that. You know what I mean? -
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Sun, May 4, 2008 - 6:38 PMyea...soy is much like the corn syrup epidemic...it's in EVERYTHING... I swear...the find things to stick it in just for fun.. no store bought salad dresssing, mayo, most condiments...I've even foudn it in mustards... sauces, juice blends, baked goods, etc....
good luck!
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Wed, May 7, 2008 - 9:34 PMI'm a big believer in the leaky gut theory -- that somehow we can't digest certain proteins (gluten, casein from dairy and soy) and through irritation or physical abnormalities, they escape our digestive tracts into our bloodstream and can affect our brain chemistry. This would be called a "sensitivity" rather than a true "allergy," since many of us don't have the antibodies (though some definitely do), and there is still a lot more research to be done before they figure it all out. Researchers have found that if people can't break down certain foods, the byproduct proteins can actually have an opiate effect. If you compare the symptoms of conditions like celiac disease, mood disorders and ADHD -- conditions that are supposedly impacted by inability to digest these proteins -- they are very similar to what many people have with FM.
Since I've cut out gluten, dairy, corn and soy (NOT easy!!), I feel soooooo much better. In fact, most of my entrenched trigger points in my neck and shoulders have disappeared and my mood and sleep are clearly improved. It's been about 9 months now without gluten, 4-5 without dairy and soy. SO much better! Definitely not cured, but a world of difference physically and mentally. And I'm still working on my sugar addiction. That's a constant struggle.
I recently talked with someone at NFA who said they might be willing to send out a diet survey to their member network to survey FM patients on their diets. Anyone else interested in this? Please urge them to do it! I'm amazed that there haven't been more controlled studies on diet and FM patterns....and that doctors don't suggest this to newly diagnosed FMers (though nothing about the medical establishment should surprise me these days!!). I think we'd learn a lot.
If you don't want to go through endless elimination diets, you can try this:
www.enterolab.com/Home.htm
I've come across many recommendations through Celiac discussion groups.
Interesting blog on mind-body connection, gluten and casein sensitivities and withdrawal:
www.corepsychblog.com/2007/08...-op.html
Info on leaky gut: www.leakygut.co.uk
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Thu, May 8, 2008 - 8:53 AMsadly most doctors have no clue...especially GPs...then you factor in the specialists...they usually send us to neurologists and rheumatologists... they dont' know either....
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Thu, May 8, 2008 - 9:11 AMHeck, most doctors don't even recognize or diagnose fibromyalgia. I suffered in pain for nine years and went to more doctors and specialists than I can count, including neurology, rheumatology and pain management. I had all the tests - blood work, CT, MRI, EMG, etc, etc. I was not officially diagnosed until last month when I saw that a local rheumatology center is doing a drug study on FM. I went in and had another round of blood work and a thorough physical exam and finally the MD told me that, yes, she would categorize it as FM.
Nine years! It's amazing when you think about it. I'm sure most of us have had the experience of seeing doctors and medical staff who don't understand, who assume you're a drug seeker or lazy and trying to get disability or whatever. It's just so sad. -
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Thu, May 8, 2008 - 9:25 AMtrust me...you're not alone there Heather... I've met folks who went 15 or 20... it's terrible....be well -
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Thu, May 8, 2008 - 10:21 AMThanks, Paidia. And I don't want to sound like I think I'm special. I know there are others who have suffered longer and suffered with worse. I was just trying to commiserate.
It reminds me of an article I read many, many years ago. It was a story about a woman who had tmj disorder, long before it was medically recognized. She wound up spending years in a mental institution because they thought she was a hypchondriac or something. I can relate. I have had problems with tmj disorder for years. I had always blamed it on the surgery to remove my wisdom teeth and dentists used to laugh about that. Well, now I've seen research with the connection. Nevertheless, I was sent to physical therapy at one point for my tmj pain. The physical therapist had the nerve to look me in the eye and say that I didn't need physical therapy, I needed psychotherapy!
Granted, there can be some benefits to psychological therapy when it comes to chronic pain conditions, but I can't stand the implication that it's somehow all in our heads!
By the way, does anyone else here have tmj problems? I've seen that it's also often associated with FM, so I'm curious.
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Thu, May 8, 2008 - 11:47 AMOh.. i didn't mean to imply that you did...more to point out how hard it's been... and how many misdiagnosis there have been for millions over the last 20 years... Lyrica is helping to bring things to light.... but its been such a long haul...it's folks like us who don't give up... 8, 9 or 20 years later...that have helped get it this far...
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Thu, May 8, 2008 - 12:32 PM"By the way, does anyone else here have tmj problems?"
I've had some issues with it, but in my case it's been a (thankfully) infrequent guest star.
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Thu, May 8, 2008 - 1:29 PMI had a bad bout with TMJ and got some good relief from a myofascial massage therapist who did very targeted massage to release the tight muscle in my mouth, jaw and neck. -
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Thu, May 8, 2008 - 1:39 PMI get occassional fliars the doc "hesitates" to call it TMJ due to infrequency... but my jaw pops in weird ways.. i get lots of dental pain and jaw pain that has nothing to do with my teeth... i've also had my jaw ...what...the joint..hinge... whatever..has swollen up so badly before that I have a real hard time talking ( my family adores that.. that and when I lose my voice...) and it's visibly swollen...
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Yesterday, 9:39 AMPaidia, I would serious consider getting a second opinion from another dentist. Although, I guess it depends how often it happens and how severely it interferes. I have episodes where I can only open my mouth a few centimeters. I don't lose my voice, but people have trouble understanding me because I don't have much range of motion. You can literally feel the hypertrophy of my jaw muscles. It's freaky. And when it gets bad, I can't even think about eating. I live on mashed potatoes and pudding and stuff. Maybe some bread soaked in soup. It's such a bitch because when I get like that, I feel like I'm always starving because that soft stuff never seems to fill you up.
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Yesterday, 7:30 AMyeah i have that to, i went to the dentist thinking i hade massive appearance of cavities and when they took the x-rays my jaw was just bruised from clenching. I got one of those ( i know it say not to for tmj ) night guard thingys and it helps some and i could afford it unlike an edodontist or wherever they wanted to send me lol. -
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Yesterday, 9:34 AMMeagan, did you say someone said not to use a nightguard for tmj disorder? I have had several over the years. They are typically one of the first lines of treatment in managing bruxism (grinding). Unless maybe you mean the do-it-yourself ones from the drugstore. I've seen ads for them and I wonder how they can be fitted properly. If it doesn't fit correctly and allow enough movement, it could make things worse. But really, it is helpful to relieve the stress on the jaw and prevent damage to the teeth. As long as it fits well.
But sadly, they are expensive. Before insurance, I think my last one cost about $600. Luckily, I only had to pay about $100 of that. And, I've had it about five years now, so it's not bad considering the time it takes them and several visits for molds and then verifying the fitting. My dentist had to keep grinding at some places where it pinched or I couldn't rest my jaw properly. But it's definitely worth having it.
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