Trinda e-mailed me and asked for me to let her know about my experience with the Fibromyalgia & Fatigue Center, Inc. I just went for my 1st appointment last Thursday (11-30-06). I had a nice long chat with the doctor & they took alot of blood samples for tests - probably about 15-20 vials. I'm very good at picking the doctor's brain because I spend alot of time studying this illness. So, I feel like I got my money's worth. I am a "lay person" & I'm not a scientist or doctor. I feel that this clinic has a handle on new approaches to treat this awful illness. They only specialize in Fibromyalgia & Fatigue (CFS, Lyme Disease, etc.). That's all they do so I think they have some unique ways of dealing with it.

They gave me 2 shots. 1 had gamma globulin (also know as Immunoglobulin) & the other was a mixture of vitamins. They also recommended some vitamins. The formulas were very focused & had some ingredients that I haven't heard of. As I mentioned, I do alot of research & I've spent alot of money on various doctors who basically gave me the "blue plate special". I think some of their vitamin blends are from proprietary research - so I was impressed (which doesn't come easy for me). I felt a bit ill after the shots. 2 days later I had a big headache & a "different" sort of pain feeling in my cells then usual (kind of stinging - like). It feels like "something" is going on even though I've been more tired/fatigued then usual & in pain. I called to let them know at the clinic. I'm going there tomorrow to continue with an intravenious vitamin drip & another gamma globulin shot - if it's OK with the doctor based on my reaction.

They really didn't sell me alot of vitamins. I've been to other doctors that do that & make up their protocol with evey vitamin they sell. I found the FFC vitamins to be very focused for the needs of us fibro sufferers & the individual person's needs. They also prescribed me some bio-identical hormone therapy (which had to be ordered from a pharmacy in Colorado). I haven't started that, yet. They also included pro-biotics & Nystatin (to get rid of candida) which, I assume, is an issue with us. I explained that I didn't have insurance so the whole deal was about $2000 (tests, doctor, shots, & supplements) + the extra $200 or so for the bio-identical hormones which have to be custom made.

So, we'll see. I've read on other sites that a gamma globulin treatment can cost $1000 (easy) just for that. I've going to continue & see how it all works. I feel it's necessary to give their protocol at least 3-6 months since it's based on a combination of drugs & supplements that I've never tried before. I've been dealing with fibro for about 7+ years (I also had CFS when I was 28 for about 3 years & I was able to get rid of it on my own - I'm 45 now). I think they have a unique approach & I'm willing to give it a shot.

I hope this will help any of you out there to see if it's worth spending the money. It's a big decision & I spent alot of time considering it. I'll be posting regularily to let you all know how it's going & if it's worth it. I understand that many of us have had the run around (as I have) & I'd like to be of some help to you - if possible. In this country, alone, there are 8 million + of us fibro sufferers & "they" really try to bring us down (you all know what I mean). I'm going to fight this illness. I know there's got to be a way of getting at least 50% to 90% better.
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sparkle7
New Jersey
  • Good luck Sparkle. I attended one of their meetings and felt that they had a much better approach to our issues than any other docs. Unfortunately if I were to have become a patient of theirs, I would be homeless. I dont even make that much money in a month. So I've turned to self medicating with herbal supplements.

    I'm really curious to know how the bio identical hormone therapy does for you. Please keep us updated.
    Thank you
    • Thanks evl. I'll keep everyone posted. I just got the bio identical hormones today but I have to wait until I'm done with the rest of the Seasonale (birth control to prevent bad cramps) I'm on. It'll be a few more weeks. Everything is going well. I think this may be the ticket. I know it's an extreme amount of money. I tried to do it on my own but you really need support, info, & a doctor who can handle this type of protocol. Most doctor's really don't know how to treat this illness & are not up on all the latest research. It's a combination of things - drugs, intravenious vitamins, regular supplements & vitamins, bio identical hormones, immunoglobulin, nystatin, thyroid stuff, thymus support to kick start T-cell production, immune bosters, etc. It's a very focused protocol. I'm sure everyone gets a different variation on the theme depending on the stuff one is dealing with.

      I'll keep posting info & you can decide if it's worth it. You may be able to make more money if you feel better - not to mention the time spent suffering from being ill. If it's going to help me - it will probably be evident within a few months.
      • This is very interesting Sparkle. Thanks for posting all the info. My experience has been that an illness like this is easy fodder for a charlatan.

        Question: How could they know which vitamins and support things you needed if they didn't have the results of your bloodwork? Were these 2 separate appointments?
        • Hi Trinda- I suppose they based the supplements & stuff on my descriptions of symptoms. They gave me a 20+ page questioneer to fill out. There are probably alot of common symptom groups for fibro patients such as thyroid, sleep disorders, candida, low vitamin absorption, poor mitochondria function, etc. They asked me alot of questions - my consultation & exam was over an hour long. I know about the charlatins. I went to see Dr Majid Ali about 6 years ago who wrote some of the first books about CFS. I felt he was totally off as far as treatment goes. Cost me over $2-3000 for nothing.

          I attended an open house at the FFC & I asked alot of questions about 1-1/2 months ago. They had good answers to all of my questions. Out of all the doctors I've been to, they seem to have the most current info about how to deal with fibro. If science & medicine does come up with a cure (via stem cells, genomes, etc.) - they will probably be the ones to know about it. Most doctors dedicated to regular medicine who don't specialize in fibro don't have time to research this illness. I really think you need to see someone who just specializes in fibro & fatigue. Just like if one has cancer, they will go to an oncologist. This place has a similar philosophy to my own as far as treatment. I don't just want to take a bunch of drugs. I'd like to address the root of the problem by less invasive means - if possible. They precsribe drugs if needed but they also address the best treatments to try to help the issues first, before resorting to an all drug therapy. It was hard for me to keep track of all the supplements I was taking on my own & if they actually worked. It's seems easier to have someone who's done the research to prescribe a vitamin protocol that's targeted to fibro. We'll see if it works.

          I really tried doing this with another wholistic health provider who had a regular MD & a pain management clinic. I figured I could save some money doing it this way. I requested a growth hormene test. I had a very low growth hormone level & I went back to see the doctor 5 times & she still wouldn't prescribe growth hormone injections. I printed out all the research & studies from the internet to show her. I had to obtain it on my own & figure out the dosage & order a re-test myself (one can do all this on the internet). I got my levels back to normal all on my own. Most doctors just aren't familiar with the latest treatments & they don't want to prescribe what they are unfamiliar with. So, I ended up spending alot of money on doctors, drugs, & supplements that didn't work. It's so frustrating to know that there are studies about stuff that can help & that so many doctors just don't know about it. They can't really help me if they don't research the latest info. Even if you hand them the studies... they don't have the time to read the studies, or they don't want to get sued if it doesn't work or you have a bad reaction. Many of the doctors I've seen are just plain ignorant, abusive, or rude. I just got tired of it.

          So - I'm trying out the FFC. I'll let you all know about it so you can decide for yourself if it's worth it.
  • Thank you, Sparkle, for letting us know how things go with that. I'm sure that we'd all like to know. After all, if it works wonders, we might ALL be willing to go into debt to afford it.
    • Hi folks - just an update...

      I'm feeling pretty ill. I got a couple of shots & a drip plus a bunch of new vitamins, etc. I'm feeling extra fatigued & I just feel lousey (which includes headaches). I think it's all part of the big picture. If I come out of all of this feeling BETTER I'll be very happy. I've gone through this "healing reaction" type of stuff before & felt about the same as prior in the past (as part of other doctor's treatments for this illness). If this is the case - I will let you know. If I actually feel better in a few months, I will be happy & refer you all to this treatment. I made a committment to give it 3-6 months - so we'll see. I feel that this is probably just a temporary reaction. I'll keep everyone informed, in any case.

      Also - some info for the women out there about Seasonale (birth control). I have been taking this drug for about 2 years to prevent excruciating cramps. You only get your period once every 3 months while taking this drug. It seemed great in theory & it's actually worked out well. BUT - I've been doing some research & they really haven't done long enough studies about how this may affect women in the long term. There are some doctors who have concern about this issue. Also- it makes women gain weight. I gained about 40 pounds (I wasn't sure if the reason was Seasonale but I found other women complaining about this, as well). I happen to be going off Seasonale as part of the treatment from FFC. I'm going to try using bio-identical hormones to help balance out my hormone level &, hopefully, prevent excrucuaiting cramps. I'm glad this was part of their protocol. I probably wouldn't have researched this if they didn't suggest the bio-identical hormones. It seems that the drug company responsible for Seasonale only spent about 1 year doing actual studies - so, anyone using this is, in effect, a guinea pig. I'm glad to be going off this drug & trying the bio-identical hormones.

      I'm trying to keep alittle privacy about my health issues. I feel it's important to let you all know about a potential source of treatments & how I'm reacting to them. If anyone out there has more specific questions you could e-mail me or post it up on this topic. I'll do my best to keep checking in on this topic & add new posts as I am able.
    • I went to the Fibro and Fatigue center in Pitsburgh Pa, pretty much the same story as posted above. They drew alot of blood, tested me for all kinds of things, most tests were negative, some were inconclusive. The Dr. put me on t/3 for thyroid, sold me a ton of supplements that were very expensive. To make a long story short, cost me about 1500.00 bucks. 2 months later I don't feel any better. I know these people are up on all the latest research but it seems to me they are more interested in selling you vitamins and supplements you probably don't neeed and may not help you. I was suprised when on my first visit the doctor sold me about 500.00 worth of supplements before he got my lab work back, then after the lab work came back he changed me to other supplements??? (I guess I didn't need the first ones as he said to stop taking them). I've had this for 21 yrs. now and been to alot of different and well meaning doctors and practitioners. Bottom line ,they are more than willing to take your money and when the treatment doesn't work they shrug their shoulders and tell you "well for some people this treatment is ineffective" blah blah...can I get my money back doc???I'm still holding out hope for a "real " cure and I hope and pray the researchers find it in my lifetime.........................Bill
      • Thanks for your point of view, Bill! Seems like that's the way it is with fibromyalgia. Gobs of money on all kind of doctors & supplements. How come you decided to stop after 2 months? You already spent a bunch of money - might as well have continued a bit longer. Seems like the largest percentage of money goes to Quest Labs. They said that we could get the vitamins elsewhere. You don't have to get them from FFC. I had an immunoglubulin shot. These are very expensive, elsewhere (like $1000 a shot). I think they charged me about $150. I'm not sure if it's going to do anything but it's worth a try. They also included the bio-identical hormone assesment into my consultation. I'm not sure what the charge would be for just that - so it was nice that it was included. I'm not trying to defend their protocol but I figured I'd give it at least 3-6 months. There's no other specialists out there that I know of that just treat fibromyalgia. Maybe if one is a celebrity & has access to $10s of thousands to spend? Most doctors just want to give you Zoloft & tell you it's all in your mind.

        The plan is that they give you vitamins to "hopefully" stabilize your condition a bit while you wait for the tests to come in. The tests take 3-4 weeks. They only sold me about a 30 days supply of supplements. They prescribed me a drug called Nystatin which can cause a yeast "die-off" which from past knowledge can make one ill until you get rid of the candida. Most of the other things prescribed seem to be useful. They didn't even get to the tests for virus, bacteria, etc. I had a test for mycoplasmas a few years ago & I didn't have that - so I won't be needing that again. I haven't been tested for viruses, though. The FFC does that after the other tests come back. So, I would think it's best to give them a chance. Most people getting chemotherapy have to get it for a while. You can't just get a few courses & stop because it doesn't feel good or it's too expensive. (I guess you could but it wouldn't be very helpful.)

        I appreciate your views, Bill. I'd like to give the protocol some time, though.
        • Yesterday, I had a IV drip & 2 shots at the FFC in CT. I actually felt pretty good today. The first time in about a year or more. I've been following the vitamins at home, as well. Looks good for now! I'm definately going to continue...
          • Good news... FYI

            I've been going to a biofeedback therapist for about 2-3 years now for pain management & sleep issues. I went to see him yesterday & I did some biofeedback to increase my theta wave activity in hopes it will make my sleep better. My theta activity has been very low for the last few sessions. Since I started the protocol at the FFC my theta waves doubled! I think this could be considered actual proof that the protocol at the FFC is working. FFC uses a number of ingredients in the shots & IV drips that are know for helping brain function.

            I know there's still a ways to go but I think this is a good indication that the protocol is going in the right direction.
            • This is such heartening news for you and for all of us Sparkle. I'm so glad to hear it. And thanks very much for keeping us all updated on the protocol. Trinda
              • I'm not expecting a miracle overnight (that would be nice, though). It's only been about 2 weeks so far. Let's see how I'm doing in a few months... I'll keep posting my progress as I can. You all can decide if it's worth it.
                • What I'm hoping for is that other doctors will begin to take notice of what happens for the patients in such places, and that insurance companies will become willing to foot at least a part of the bill, so that more people will have access to this sort of care.
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                    I think you can get some coverage depending on the type of insurance you have. The center helps you complete the forms (I think) & gives you all the info you need but you have to pay up front. You may be able to get reimbursed later if you have insurance that covers it. It's something like if you have "out of network coverage"... I don't know. I haven't had health insurance for 6 years.

                    I think it will be a long wait to have insurance that will cover this type of treatment (judging from what I went through when I did have insurance). I think the insurance may help with covering the tests, though.
                    • This is just a follow up to my last post. I have not stopped the treatment program. I continue to take all the supplements daily and medication. My symptoms have not improved over 3 months time now. I believe this is a reasonable amout of time to "give it a try". Now I could shell out another $500-$800 in supplements and continue wasting my money looking for a magic cure in a bottle. All the NIH studies have concluded Fibromyalgia is not a lack of vitamins in a persons body, as a matter of fact your body just flushes out excess supplements and vitamins. I should have not been so stupid and gulible when they started telling me I "needed " all these pills to "reset my metabolism" I think those were the exact words.Yes, the centers are very knowledgable on Fibromyalgia, but everything they told me I had also read on the Internet before.and for people like us they hold out a ray of hope for some kind of relief or cure and knowing we are a desperate bunch, we fall for it. We give them our hard earned money and put our trust in the Doctors who seem to have such great insight into our problem, and when it doesn't work(there is no "cure for fibromyalgia") they say Oh well so sorry and thanks for all the cash you spent here. Sorry if I sound a little bitter but after 21 years with this disease and having tried every known cure to mankind ,traditional and alternative and spending 10's of thousands of dollars ,I think I have a right to be. If I ever find anything that works I will certanily post it on every website in cyberspace and take out a full page ad in the New York times...good luck to all Bill
                      • Sorry you've found this to be such a bad experience Bill. I don't think you were gullible, I think you were hopeful and that's very important. I hope Sparkle has a better outcome.
                        • Hi all & Happy New Year!

                          I am having a more hopeful experience than Bill has had with the FFC. Since I have been doing their protocol, I've had some notabable improvements! It's still in the beginning phases (I started 11-30-06). The IV vitamin drips & shots made me a bit fatigued, so I've taken the last couple of weeks off from that aspect of the treatment. I'm still continuing the vitamins, though.

                          (For the ladies out there) I have very extreme menstrual pain & other symptoms. I have been on Seasonale for about 2-3 years to limit my periods (you only get your period 4 times a year on this drug). Since I've been doing the FFC protocol, my extreme cramps have lessened considerably! I have actually been able to function since getting my period (usually, I'm in extreme pain in bed for 4-5 days). I am about to go off the Seasonale & start the prescribed bio-identical hormone replacement therapy. I'm looking forward to this since long term effects of birth control pills (esp. ones like Seasonale) are really not known. I have also read very good things about bio-identical hormone replacement therapy for bad cramps, etc. THIS IS A BIG THING FOR ME!!! I have had devestating cramps for over 30 years & NONE of the doctors I've seen throughout my life have been able to do anything to help me with this issue... for over 30 years!

                          I will be seeing the doctor for my test results on 1-9-07 & to resume the IV drips & shots. We'll see how it goes & if there will be any adjustments to the protocol. I'm sorry Bill did not have good results with this. It may be worth it to continue if you can afford it. Bill mentioned that he has been ill for over 20 years - it may take a while of intensive treatments to get better. It may not happen "overnight". I heard people talking in the FFC office & they said it took about 8 months for one lady to start feeling better. Just from the "small" improvements I've been having - I think they know what they are doing here. Everyone is different, though. I'm still up & down but I have seen some signifigant signs of improvement. I'm definately going to continue!
                          • There's lots of info here if your interested in finding out about the Fibromyalgia & Fatigue Center - www.efibro.com/forums/index.php

                            especially:
                            IS THE FFC WORTH ME GOING BROKE OVER??!!
                            www.efibro.com/forums/viewtopic.php
                            • I'm a bit tired but I wanted to tell you that I feel this place is the best place to go to if you have fibromyalgia. I had my 2nd appointment with Dr. Campo & he really knows this disease! I'm not going to go into all of the details right now but I am very impressed with the level of treatment. If you are having a hard time & can't get rid of this disease, it's really worth the money to go to this place (if you can afford it). I'll post more when I have time...
                              • Another update...

                                I'm just going along with the program here. I have a bunch of supplements to take every day (but not an excessive amount). I also take a drink mix called Fatigued to Fantastic Energy Revitalization System. It has alot of vitamins & is supposed to be formulated especially for people with fibro or CFS. Some of you may want to try it. It's about $30 for a big jar that lasts about 1 month. I've been getting the IVs & the shots pretty much once a week. I find that I'm a bit less exhausted afterwards than I used to be. I had a second round of tests a few weeks ago & I'll be getting the results in another week or so. The doctor mainly focused on viruses, mycoplasmas, Lyme (again - this is the 3rd test I've had done), candida (I think), etc. I actually had tests for mycoplasmas & Lyme but the doctor said the tests I had done were not the best tests to have for those microbes & were not conclusive. Funny how that works. You go to a doctor & get a test & you think you're really going to actually find something out... I guess all that money I'm paying goes into researching all this stuff. I'm definately not cured, yet, but I didn't think it was going to happen overnight.

                                Until next time...
                                • Here it is April 2008, and I notice you havent posted. I have beenconsidering going to F&F and would like very much to know how it all turned out for you. Thanks....Denyce
                                  • Wow - someone rehashed this post after all this time...

                                    I haven't posted in a while because tribes can get very time consuming.

                                    I'm OK. I'm still quite ill & trying to treat what I thought was Fibromyalgia. It actually turned out to be undiagnosed Lyme Disease. The FFC was good since this is where I found out that I really didn't have Fibro... I am no longer going to the FFC since it is very expensive.

                                    I tried treating the Lyme with antibiotics but it didn't seem to work for me. I used them for about 8 months. I'm now trying an herbal protocol created by Dr. Cowden using herbal tinctures from a company called Nutramedix.

                                    Lyme Disease is very serious & I'm sure there are alot of people out there who think they have Fibro & actually have Lyme. It's very hard to tell you have Lyme since the tests they use for it are all inaccurate! The longer you are infected with Lyme, the harder it is to tell you have it.

                                    I hope everyone is doing well or as best as possible. None of these illnesses like Fibro, CFS, Lyme, etc. are easy to deal with.

                                    Good luck!

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