Peace Corps?

topic posted Thu, May 19, 2005 - 3:45 PM by  Siren
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First of all I appologige if this is not the right place but the Tribe " Returned Peace Corps Volunteers" only has 24 members and no messages for 2 months.

I just applied to the Peace Corps and a friend warned me that I should do my homework first. He said that he had heard negative things about the Peace Corps. However I have traveled the earth extensivly and have never, ever met a Peace Corps Volunteer (PCV) that has disliked what they do. Every PCV has only raved about their ecperience.

So are there any PCVs in this tribe and can anyone shed light on the negative side?

I know some people who have felt it is too political and a bit corupt but they still loved their experience.

Thank you in advance.
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Siren
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  • Re: Peace Corps?

    Fri, May 20, 2005 - 7:35 PM
    i also would love to travel & do some volunteer work in developing countries .. but i hesitate to do this through the peace corps .. i get the sense of it being an american mission to 'spread america /capitalism to the world' .. i'd be inclined to try & find more neurtral volunteer groups if they exist ... that's just me, & i don't know too much about the peace corps!
    • Re: Peace Corps?

      Sat, May 21, 2005 - 10:25 AM
      A bunch of friends and coworkers are returned Peace Corps and I spent some time in a remote village with one of them. Her plan, which she did, was to get a nurse midwifery degree after - in her village she became the traditional midwife's assistant. Not to many places would you get to help deliver a few babies a week with no experience. It helped when she went back to school. Most people join to change the world. In the end they are more changed than the world. That doesn't mean that come of the change they do create on their assignment doesn't end up being a huge world changer - it may just not be apparent for years. The Peace Corps is strict in some ways and may not be for totally free form nonconformists. In fact it isn't, one high school friend got kicked out for crossing the border to a neighboring country illegally repeatedly. The office said they liked him and his work, but if they didn't kick him out, they would never be able to kick anyone out! Some assignments are pretty remote with only occasional visits to the main office. It can get lonely. You have a lot of backup, medical (sometimes a day or two away), evacuation plans, often volunteers overlap, so you arrive in the mid posting of another volunteer. It took my friend about a year to really get the language and make some local friends. The Peace Corps is probably about the biggest risk you can take, you have good backup, but it's not like most NGO's which have a lot more social and other infrastructure. The result is amazing self sufficiency, confidence, and realism which you have forever. (Some of the newer economic development projects are in the capitals, way less intense. It is also a great background to get on staff of any NGO or the State Dept. I think there is also some tuition assistance after you get out.)

      As for the image of the US - much better a Peace Corps volunteer than that of our fearless "leader", the most hated man on earth.
    • AJ
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      Re: Peace Corps?

      Wed, July 20, 2005 - 4:20 PM
      While 'spreading America' is ostensibly the mission of the Peace Corp, and yeah, you will techinically work for the state department, all the PCV's I know said they had pretty much complete discresion with what they did.

      They do describe their infrequent dealings with PC HQ as your typical nightmarish beurocracy.

      The book Alternatives to the Peace Corp addresses your concerns for precicely the reasons you stated:
      www.amazon.com/exec/obido...431-5303927
  • How about a Masters/Peace Corps

    Sat, May 21, 2005 - 5:26 PM
    I was ambivalent about the Peace Corps too b/c I heard varying projects. I think if you are specific about what TYPE of work you want to do, it's a great stepping stone to intl development. There is a strong network for work after you finish the PC. Also there are some Master's programs in coordination with the Peace Corps so you basically get 2yrs Peace Corps work and a Master in Development in 3yrs. I wish this program existed when I graduated college! I don't remember the name of the schools that do this but if you call the peace corps office or google it, you'll find it.

    I'm now headed back to school for a Masters tryin gto catch up on not having gone into the Peace Corps.
  • Re: Peace Corps?

    Sun, May 22, 2005 - 12:48 PM
    As with any endeavor, it all depends on the circumstances you find yourself in (real helpful, I know!) I have had several friends return from the Peace Corps. Half absolutely loved it and were such stronger people when they returned, it was awesome. The other half have varying negative stories. One that comes to mind is a friend who had a degree in Business and Finance went to Kazhikstan (sp?) to help develop business plans to boost the economy (or something to that effect), and she ended up teaching English and watching over orphans, which she absolutely enjoyed doing because she adores kids having already raised a few of her own, but it was not the experience she was hoping to get out of the deal. From what I hear, it is pretty common to go for one reason and then find yourself teaching English to the community, which is helpful to them, but if you're hoping to gain some practical experience (as in the case another poster wrote about midwifery), it isn't a guarantee. The other story I can think of is about a female who was sent to a Middle Eastern country who found herself pretty alienated from the community due to cultural beliefs regarding women (and oddly, her family was originally from the Middle East, so one could assume that she would know how to deal with it to an extent). Whatever she was there for (I don't recall) put her in a position where she had to work primarily with men, and they never took her seriously and harassed her a bit. I'm not sure if anything else seriously happened, but I know she ended up having to take a leave of absence and return to the US to let her nerves settle before she could go back and finish up her time. Regardless where you go and what you do (if you go), it will definitely be an experience! I think being laid back and really flexible helps. Good luck to you with whatever you decide!
  • Re: Peace Corps?

    Mon, May 23, 2005 - 4:14 PM
    hi! i am an rpcv and served in ghana, west africa from 1998-2000. it was an incredible experience. i was just out of college, didn't know what i wanted to do with my life and was looking for something different and meaningful. when i look back at the overall experience it was a gift to be able to live abroad in such a different environment for an extended period of time.

    i am one of those people that raves about my experience. i know others who had a hard time and left early. i definitely had my moments where i wanted to quit and leave, but i didn't and i'm glad.
    actually completing my peace corps service was one of my proudest moments, because there were times i really wanted to quit and i didn't. i realized then that it is the difficult things that make us that much stronger.

    i believe the outcome of an individuals experience lies in several factors:

    1) the type of person you are

    Living in an environment that has a completely different set of cultural mores and expectations is not easy. Often it is easy to feel that things SHOULD be a certain way, and when they don't turn out to be that way it is very easy to get frustrated and angry. This is particularly in regards to the WORK/JOB that you are doing, and how different people (particularly the locals) approach work.


    2) the type of work you will be doing

    some jobs are more structured and have more guidelines than others. as a teacher you would have a school you'd be working at and the whole structure that goes with working in a school. in the water/sanitation sector you might be put out in a village and told to assess the needs of the community before actually figuring out what it is that will need to be done. Not much structure there, very individual driven.


    3) the situation at your site:
    is it a new site or has a pcv been there before? is peace corps new to the country? who will you be working with? will that person be attentive, or absent?, are you isolated or do you have easy access to other volunteers? etc.


    flexibility is a big deal. my observation was that if a person was coming to FIX something, to "make it all better", they had a much harder time than those that were there to help, but at the same time there for the experience of living abroad and experiencing another place. my guess, since you mentioned that you have traveled extensively, is that you fall into the later category.

    i, and other volunteers i served with, often questioned what we were doing there, if we were really making a difference, if we were really doing "good". i never came to any solid conclusions on that. 'development' is a huge field and an extremely complex one. my approach was the "change one small corner" philosphy and it worked well for me.


    i had a site mate (someone that lived in the same town as i did), and he left after a year. he had a very difficult time dealing with the intense heat and was suffering from extreme insomnia. i think perhaps he also had a very defined notion of what his experience should be like. he left, it was the right decision for him, although a difficult one.

    some others had difficulty with the actual organization, but i don't know the details. peace corps is a big organization and i have no doubts that some people will have had negative experiences. there's no guarantee that you will or won't.

    also, in regards to a comment about PC being strict. they definitely have their rules. whether you choose to follow them or not is your decision. i never found any of them unreasonable. if you choose not to follow them, fine, but you know they are there and you know the consequences. being in the remote area that i was, i occassionally would accept a ride on the back of a motorcycle to get somewhere. it was against the rules to do so, but i took my chances. (against the rules because motorcycle accidents were (are?) one of the highest causes of volunteer injury/death). usually you get a warning before they send you home though. PC invests alot of time and money to bring you out there and to put you through months of training, so to immediately send you home for a minor infraction would be very strange.

    wow. . . . i guess i had a lot to say. if you have any specific questions feel free to email me. :)

    Good luck, whatever your decision.
    -M



    • the curse of 'development'

      Wed, May 25, 2005 - 5:12 PM
      PC... I think of my organic farming friend back on Vancouver island. He was in the peace core in the late 60s I believe. I guess he felt some remorse after having gone to India and helped to introduce industrial agriculture, 'teaching those Indians about growing rice the right way'. Can you say 'desertification', boys and girls. So maybe he will spend the rest of his life attoning for the 'sin' of modern developement.


      Me I couldnt get a job with the C.I.A. but I got accepted to the peace core, God bless imperialism!
      L
    • Re: Peace Corps?

      Wed, June 29, 2005 - 10:35 PM
      I too am a RPCV. Namibia 2001-2003 (then stayed another 2 years as a Consultant- which was a MUCH different experiance! whew- WAY different.)

      All the stuff Meesha said was RIGHT ON! (well put and thurogh enough for me to just hit some highlights that I thought should be mentioned.)

      I too had an incredible experiance. Not so for most of my fellow PCV's and DEFINATELY not so for the PCV's of the most recient group to finish. (at the COS- Close of Service- confrence- NOT ONE said they regretted leaving/would miss it/ or had in general had a positive experiance- there were 40+/- when they started and there were 12 when they finished.)

      PC is a very different beast in most countries. (Your experiance varries from EVERYONE - no two are alike. but a lot of the factors mentioned by Meesha were the main reasons it is positive or negitive.)

      I think Post 9-11 peace corps is a very different situation. Bush swamped us with new- VERY YOUNG - volunteers for one. Then slashed the budget up big time. What you get is very sketchy training at times (it is what you make it but when you have too few trainers and 52+ volunteers instead of more trainers and 12 like with my group...it does suffer) and you get a big lack in support. (granted, also the support that you need is your level of need. I never called them, talked to them about problems, or sought help, but then, i had an awesome situation. no one was stealing my stuff/ sexually harassing me/ trying to get me fired/ trying to lock me in my room/ leave me at my village / and a mirriad of other things that have happened to my friends.)
      The lack in support that i saw reciently while i was no longer a PCV and still in the country, was that medical has gone down hill a bit. (couldn't even afford vitamins? come on! the nurse sent me on a 2 week paid leave to DC for my damned tonsils and someone with some severe malarial symptoms gets told she's tired and needs to rest now.) It comes down to money. they don't have it at the moment. Budget was cut, US$ goes down, they add volunteers to improve international relations... think about it.

      I'm not saying that its any reason not to go. its just something to think about when you start applying to any international program.

      Peace Corps- is still government. you are still considered a diplomat. But because PC has gotten younger and younger- more rules are being layed down now. I felt pretty free but many of my friends and other PCV's after me- they felt 12 years old and grounded most of the time. (one screws up, we all suffer)

      I did get a chance to meet PCV's from all over the world once, and it was interesting. The experiances varry so very much. your country staff, your attitude and expectations, the country, the climate, the family you live with. (i lived with a Damara family for 2 years. I saw another American once every 3 months or longer. but i had satalite tv/ internet sometimes/ running water sometimes/ and NO money but tons of friends and amazing experiance and the work was incredible.

      Its definately not for everyone. Not once did i want to go home. but for somereason i had it in my head that it was never an option in the first place. you sign up- you do what you promised. however- thats me. and there is NOTHING wrong with going home early. dissapointing for everyone involved though.

      A word on the Masters Degree folks. Its interesting. they started that after I was out but i had the chance to meet them. It was all a bit upside down and backwards for them. Its definately not the easy route and since its a new program, they havn't worked out all the kinks. want to know more, just mail me. i can share then.

      in a word (or few more) its definately a big decision due to the effects you have on others in a short period of time. So while its only 2 years out of your life, you can effect others in drastic ways. those ripples of things you have said and done live on and take on lives of their own. this can be good/bad/or just plain interesting. I visited 2 years after my experiance. VERY interesting realizations came from that.

      like i said- happy to share more if need be.

      There are some Yahoo groups that have current/past/future pcv's on them chatting.

      the list of schools offering the masters is available on the PC website. Also a list that cooperate with RPCV's for fullbright or other Masters degrees. (i'm going that route)

      There are also LOTS AND LOTS of other organizations - with more specific job duties/ shorter time periods/ in more or less PC like settings.
      The mission of Peace Corps STATE- that its to promote "American" culture and bring back their culture to America and to give skilled assistance to those that need it. (wording change- but the meaning is the same.)
      which means exactly what one guy commented on- the capitolisim and "development" that WE do. my motto was to expand and develop what THEY wanted- but "they" (namibians i lived with) wanted to be just like us. ... scary.
      I discovered what Development really was.

      Glad your asking people who may know. I didn't. i just jumped in. I did NO research. I knew what i wanted to do sorta... that was bout it. time of my life. so are these days. its what you make of it.

      OH- and if your having trouble finding PCV's while traveling- that seems strange. Go to a backpackers or the CHEAPEST hostel that you can find... or just go to the PC office and ask. (or the cheapest bar) I traveled and stayed with tons of them. there was a revolving door on my house for PCV's and some travelers as well. not many on tribe i regrett.

      1 luv,
      trish
  • Re: Peace Corps?

    Mon, May 30, 2005 - 12:49 PM
    I had a friend who actually died while in the Peace Corps. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. It seems that he got sick and caught a deadly bacteria. I think that he medical attention from the organization given to people volunteering is not reliable.
    This happenned in El Salvador several years ago. There are many ways and programs to participate in around the world, my suggestion is to do some research before making a decision.
    • Why not VSO ( you 'merican pig-dogs) ;)

      Mon, May 30, 2005 - 8:09 PM
      VSO is an alternative that I have considered in the past...
      L
      • Re: Why not VSO ( you 'merican pig-dogs) ;)

        Thu, June 2, 2005 - 11:32 PM
        Leon I thought VSO is the British equivalent to the Peace Corps.

        There are a ton of NGOs I could work for but I have still yet to meet an ex - PEace Corps volunteer that did not regret it. EVen the ones that ETed (Early Termination) said they would not trade the time they spent in the PC.
        • Re: Why not VSO ( you 'merican pig-dogs) ;)

          Fri, June 3, 2005 - 6:16 PM
          Hi Jennell,

          I used to think VSO was only for Europe . . . . but while overseas I heard many people say that some Americans become VSO volunteers as well. The programs are incredibly similar and I don't have any reasons to give why you should choose one over the other, but it never hurts to look into options. Good Luck on your Journey!

          -M
          • Re: Why not VSO ( you 'merican pig-dogs) ;)

            Thu, July 7, 2005 - 7:40 AM
            I think for this you can go via the Canada version of VSO. (so I've heard from some over seas)

            However, its definately a LOT more professional therefore if your trying to get in, you REALLY have to have a skill, experiance, and know how. Its a bit more what I called "grown up" and they take people with Masters or at least 5 years work experiance from what I understand. They are also treated with more respect by supervisors than mere PCV's and have a LOT more responsibility (and more perks to go with it.) BUT some have explained they didn't get the "grass roots" feel that I had. aka, live on their own had a jobby-job and just go to work and come home and hang with ex-pats. its a different vibe.

            Other organizations I did see a lot of were:
            World Teach ( you pay to do this but its 1 year and a bit more flexable and you ... duh... just teach)

            Earth Watch (you pay - you get to do some conservation work and its shorter term. not a lot of experiance needed and durration / time is what you choose - i think... i met a lot of these people. seemed like tourism with a do-gooder feel really but its good to get your feet wet like this if you don't want to make a serious committment or can't)

            my personal fav (more cuz i thought it was a joke) was a Trees for the Earth or something like that. ya they plant trees. (but i learned it was more of a conservation type thing later. but still i thought it was cute when i heard about it.)

            my favorite place to look for Volunteering / jobs etc. is www.idealist.org
            good luck.
            t.
            • Re: Why not VSO ( you 'merican pig-dogs) ;)

              Sun, August 21, 2005 - 6:58 AM
              I'm a former VSO who went through Canada and spent time in Zambia. Trish is essentially correct in that VSOs tend to be selected based on specific work experience and their postings are aligned with said experience. As for getting a grass-roots feel, that all depends on the type/location of your posting.
    • Re: Peace Corps?

      Thu, June 2, 2005 - 11:40 PM
      Gretchen I am sorry to hear about your friend but personally I would not blame the Peace Corps.

      People get sick while traveling, at home and in 3rd world countries it is usually 10 times worse and finding good hospitals and dorctors is hard.

      I have met so many people while traveling who have worked for various NGOs and a lot of them hated the organization. BUt I have never in the past 10 years of travel met anyone who regreted their PC service.
      • Re: Peace Corps?

        Fri, June 3, 2005 - 7:52 PM
        I agree. You really can't blame Peace Corps. In developing countries people get sick. I probably had giardia for most of the time I was there. (not deadly, but uncomfortable!)

        In my experience, Peace Corps (Ghana at least) was very much on the conservative side in terms of taking care of volunteers. You are required to get all sorts of immunizations, and during your first site visit you are required to figure out where the closest, PC approved medical facility is. PC has already developed a contact list of people at your site to deal with in emergencies. (yes, some medical care facilities are harder to get to than others, depending on where you are). During training you are taught very clearly, how to take care of yourself, and what to look out for. You are given a HUGE medical/first aid kit to take to your site as well.

        One vacation, while travelling with friends in Mali, a friend got really sick after our Dogon trek. I took her to a local hospital, then back to the Peace Corps center where we were staying. She wasn't getting better. A plane couldn't make it in that evening because the small airport was closed, but a plane arrived as soon as the airport was open and we were all flown to PC head quarters in Mali. The sick friend was made to stay there then med-evaced to South Africa where she could get better medical care. My other friend and I made it back to Ghana on our own.

        Anyway, point of the story is, the last thing PC wants is to lose a volunteer, and as much as possible is done to protect and take care of them.

        • Re: Peace Corps?

          Sat, June 18, 2005 - 3:17 PM
          I have quite a few friend over the years who have done the peace corp as well. I think aside from everything that was stated above which rings true is where you end up. The reactions of friends who had to work in the Eastern block versus Central america Asia or Africa are vastly different. In the end though even in the worst of the situations they never regretted doing it...it is was mainly a difficult transition coming home after a life altering experience like the PC. Also the my female friends had a much harder time than my male friends but they still managed to get support from their particular branch.
          • Re: Peace Corps?

            Sat, July 9, 2005 - 11:47 AM
            I was in Peace Corps /Morocco (99-01) and had a very mixed experience. While I'm grateful for having been there and experienced Arab/Berber culture (esp. as the USA has so many warped ideas about the Middle East and Arab countries), I also have to say that living there, as a white woman, was very challenging.

            As for the Peace Corps itself, what other RPCVs are saying is right on. Often work is extremely unstructured and you have to create your own job. Secondly, don't expect all host country nationals (eg Moroccans) to have the same ideas about volunteerism and work that you do. The attitude about working can be very different. If you can let go of your expectations, then you'll have a great time.

            In terms of being ill, I believe that just comes with the territory. I did have amoebic dystentery, but had no problem getting medication. In fact, all I had to do was ask at the pharmacy without a prescription.

            I have no regrets about going and think it was time well spent. I would also say that I'm not one to rave about my experience. Peace Corps itself was very bureaucratic and often difficult to deal with. With budget cuts, I can only imagine that getting worse. I did, however, LOVE the Moroccans who were at the Peace Corps office and thought they were one of the highlights of my experience . . .

            So . . . if you want to spent time abroad and do it in a relatively structured way, I'd recommend starting with shorter stints --with, say, Volunteers for Peace --and then, if you enjoy that sort of service, going on for a longer commitment.
            • Re: Peace Corps?

              Thu, August 11, 2005 - 4:22 PM
              RPCV, Micronesia [Chuuk] - and I say do it.

              I had a hard assignment, so it wasn't all fun. Hell, it was rarely 'fun.' Quite often it sucked. But I wouldn't trade the experience for the world - I saw and was part of a world that few westerners will ever see, much less understand.

              I agree with the above writers, and can only add:

              - Do not join the PC to travel or see the world. You will most likely be stuck in one very small corner of the for most of your tour. For me, that was the hardest part [I was on on island .1 sqaure mile in area. Yeah ... point one].

              - The benefit of this is, you will know that small corner inside out. You will understand how a developing village/town/city works, and how the people think. You will learn how to act in the developing world. You will learn how to integrate. I don't think any other volunteer organization forces you to integrate to such a degree.

              And this will be invaluable in your future travels. Ten years down the road, and when I go overseas for work assignments locals can tell I was Peace Corps. It's in the way you interact with people, the way you walk, the way you talk - in the rhythms of your day. Basically, you learn how to behave in villages.
              • Re: Peace Corps?

                Tue, August 23, 2005 - 4:14 AM
                Oh by no means would I do PC to see the world. I have been traveling now for 15 months and although it is great I would like to be a part of a community. Closest I came was in Malawi for 3 monnths living in a villiage with no water or electricity and helping a local friend restart up a cafe.

                I will go back to SF very soon and I really don't want to look for a career in the western world.

                I already applied and will have an interview as soon as \i am back.

                OK another question. Do people bring money with them to make life easier? I will be flat broke when I return to the states. I'll work as soon as I get home but just enough to pay some bills. |I will not be able to save up money before I leave. I asume most people bring a nice stash with them to make liife easier. Will it be that much more difficult to take weekend trips without bringing any any cash?
                • Re: Peace Corps?

                  Tue, August 23, 2005 - 1:52 PM
                  Don't worry about money. Most of us in my group had no savings, and a good percentage of us found finances easier in the Peace Corps. You have no worries about rent, landlords, medical bills, shopping, etc.

                  But I was in a rural area. I've heard that volunteers in urban areas have a harder time, mostly because there are more temptations to spend money on. In a village there's really not much to buy: coffee, cigarettes [if you have ever smoked you will probably start up again. Sorry], occasional tins of corned beef. Then there's treats for your family [fishing line, chicken for a feast, diesel - simple stuff].

                  We always had plenty left over for when we came to the district center. At which point we would blow it all on beer [lots of beer. If you have a history of alcoholism make sure you are very secure and sober before joining]. Urban volunteers, on the other hand, always seemed to be broke.

                  Don't worry about weekend trips. You'll be able to get around local style [usually twenty people piled in the back of a pick up, or crammed onto a boat, or squeezed into a bus]. Some volunteers had money saved for a big summer trip, but even those of us that didn't had amazing adventures.

                  A lot of my co-workers now were volunteers, and here's something unexpected: We all left feeling very cynical about American and Western culture. And we all returned with a new appreciation for it.

                  Good luck with your interview!
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                    Re: Peace Corps?

                    Wed, August 24, 2005 - 2:49 AM
                    Thanks for the info on cash kanewai.

                    I really hope to be in a rural area anyway but as we all know you can't even choose the continent, let alone the country and no way the city. I am asuming most people are rural though.

                    Why do you say I'll start smooking again. Where were you based. I have been traveling for 15 months and while in Africa I quit (for the very first time) and it lasted almost 4 months until I came to Indonesia. In Eastern Africa nobody smokes so it was easy (sorry- easier) to quit but then I arrived in Indonesia and fell in love with the kretek (clove) cigarettes that all the locals smoke. So in the last 3 months I have been smoking those. At least I know I can quit again as I have done it once.

                    Did you start out of bordem or becuase where you where based everyone smokes?
                    • Re: Peace Corps?

                      Thu, August 25, 2005 - 7:26 PM
                      Actually, I started again out of nerves, the night before I left the States. The reasons people started again - and even the militant non-smokers started again - included:

                      - Smoking was a very social act where I was [Micronesia]. You take a puff or two, and pass it to your neighbor. It was a luxury to smoke a whole one myself!

                      - Stress and/or boredom. Smoking is a crutch. And I never realized just how long a day was until I lived in a small village. When most days are like the last day, and it's been so for hundreds of years, a single day seems to last forever. Smoking helped break it up.

                      - Alcohol. Our postings were extreme - we were far more cut off from each other, except for weekly radio contact, than most volunteers were. I've heard Nepal is similar, in that volunteers are spread out and rarely see each other except during breaks. But during breaks we drank hard. We drank like locals. A friend of mine here jokes that you have to be an oppressed minority to really know how to drink. In the PC we learned to drink like that.

                      I think this is more of a symptom of rural volunteers, though. The urban volunteers could never keep up with us. It was as if, after being good 24-7 for months on end we had a lot of repressed energy that needed to be released.

                      And alcohol and smokes go together.

                      I guess if no one smoked it would be easier not to. But kreteks - yum! That would probably get me to start again.
                      • Re: Peace Corps?

                        Tue, May 23, 2006 - 4:16 PM
                        >A friend of mine here jokes that you have to be an oppressed minority to really know how to drink. In the PC we learned to drink like that. <

                        LMAO! Hell Ya! its funny cuz its true... sad and true.

                        I started smokin in the PC. I drank more then too. Its cheaper and colder than anything else in the desert. We used to joke at the COS (Close of Service Meetings) that they should pass out a list of AA meetings closesest to your home.

                        Its Also sad but true and not so funny - that promiscuity- aka- "gettin some" has its risks and yet is SO much easier... your popular, your most likely a hot comodity in a depressed area and seen as a ticket outof there. So you get hit on a lot. (ok some call that harrassment- i see it as folks trying their luck. One girl requested a move from her village for such harassment- i on the other hand addressed it with humor and with the big men in my host family. she ET'd and i didn't.) But seriously- I've known PCV's to have HIV tests, have to go through the morning after drugs and counciling, known PCV's that go a little too crazy (ehem... i'm no exeption here.) when they get to town finally and really regret it later.

                        Ah the social complexities of the PC you never think about. But again- the toughest "job" you'll ever LOVE - is the one that you come out a better and wiser person from.

                        1 luv, t.
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                    Re: Peace Corps?

                    Sun, August 28, 2005 - 4:16 PM
                    I lived in a city (Meknes, Morocco) and had no problem with money. That said, I don't smoke and rarely drink. (The bars were primarily for men and prostitutes.) I don't know of anyone who began smoking there, especially women--as it was less culturally acceptable.

                    In a rural area you'll most likely have no problem with money, though things can be more expensive when you're just getting started (i.e. furniture, etc.)

                    I had to negotiate my rent and when shopping, negotiated all my furniture. With food, I sometimes had to be careful about getting ripped off--until I spoke Arabic decently.

                    I have heard the same thing around alcoholism, though mostly in teh context of Eastern Europe.
                    • Re: Peace Corps?

                      Wed, March 22, 2006 - 6:27 PM
                      ok, so I am looking into joining the peace corps or potentailly participating in some other similar program. I've been reading around and have come up with some pros and cons (for me personally) about the peace corps specifically (not about volunteering internationally, because i've already decided i want to do that). Based on my pros and cons, I'm wondering if anyone could give me some feedback, i.e do you think peace corps would be a good idea for me, or are there alternatives you might suggest (i just ordered the "Alternatives to Peace Corps" book but haven't read it yet)? thanks in advance :)
                      My Pros for joining Peace Corps:
                      - do not have to PAY to go (this is a big factor)
                      - integration (from what i've read it seems volunteers are pretty integrated with local life)
                      - length (the two year length is actually appealing to me)
                      - Loan deferment
                      - Loan cancellation (up to 15% for each year)
                      - $6000 payment at the end

                      Cons for joining the Peace Corps:
                      - Government organization (i'm automatically wary of this)
                      - concerns about "america-centric"/colonialist attitude (i really have no desire to participate in spreading this ideology)
                      - Bureaucracy (specifically US Govt Bureaucracy)
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                        Re: Peace Corps?

                        Sun, March 26, 2006 - 10:15 AM
                        my thought is that if you want to help the 'developing' world, one of the best ways to do it is not by travelling to exotic places and doing random volunteer work, but by staying right here in the belly of the beast that spews out policies to keep the global south poor. so work against international trade policy, organize in rich and poor communities here, raise money for the cause, EDUCATE people here, make films and so on.
                        It's less fun, it's less sexy, but i think it's much more useful. to me the peace corps is one piece of the west's imperialist armory, that is why it was set up. 'they', over there in the south, don't need our good intentions and volunteer labor.
                        • Re: Peace Corps?

                          Mon, March 27, 2006 - 11:02 AM
                          theres no real questıon that the maın benefıt ıs to the volunteer. stıll, gettıng such benefıts ıs nıce.
                          • Re: Peace Corps?

                            Mon, March 27, 2006 - 11:36 AM
                            Anyone thinking about joining the peace corps should talk to returned volunteers. Most larger cities have a chapter of returned peace corps volunteers.
                            • Re: Peace Corps?

                              Fri, April 7, 2006 - 1:48 AM
                              I have traveled a lot and met countless people who started out as wandering backpackers, then stayed in a community for a while (this happens EVERYWHERE--you start chatting with a family and they invite you to stay and learn the language and their way of life...), then started observing the problems and what could be done. So they stayed and made up their project as they went along.

                              For example, I know of a French guy with some circus skills who set up shop in a slum in Curacao and trained local kids to perform for the community and teach people about STDs, benefits of organic farming, etc. He took over a blighted building that is now the slum's official art museum and cultural center, and the circus is going strong! These kinds of things require very little money (though they arent free) and everyone in the slum fed and took care of him in exchange for his work.

                              I'm trying to say that I think it is preferable to be familiar with a community before you set out to change it. That means doing things the grassroots way, not with the peace corps, and making it up as you go along. Just let yourself go, and when you find yourself in a place that needs you, you will know it. It starts with personal relationships.

                              p.s. I have lots of other examples and work for a grassroots organization supporting just this type of work, let me know if you want more info!
                      • Re: Peace Corps?

                        Thu, May 25, 2006 - 9:06 AM
                        Megan, Go.
                        Your cons are totally valid but not enough to keep from going and here's why...

                        Yes Peace Corps is great without Peace Corps. (my favorite saying really.) but seriously- I rarely felt the presence of the "office" or of admin. I got out of training and litterally was on my own. Like i had to move me and all my luggage up to my village some how durring school session when no one with a car in my village could come to the capitol to get me. There were a few meetings and some ideas that i didn't TOTALLY agree with (i.e. share american culture with the host country - does not equal making a strip mall of business as development... Development does NOT equal infrastructure but my PC office seemed big on it. and they pushed some ideas out at my womens group i wasn't real happy with then screwed up my grant pretty bad. I fixed it but really THAT was the ONLY real dealing i had with them.)
                        Don't let the thought of "workin for the man" stop you from going and helping people, sharing tallent, learning, and just having a grand 'ol time getting to know yourself and others. USE THEM! USE those tax dollars to actually DO something. Even if it is just teaching one kid to read a few words and the result is he stops stealing from people.

                        (You can also sell your ticket at the end hun and work for yourself after - i did. I was in Namibia for PC 2001-2003 and then stayed untill 2005 as a Consultant for the Ministry of Environment and Tourism. - not where i worked durring PC at all but i networked and created a job and got a visa and found the money and stayed and trained over 1,000 employees. pretty awesome times.)

                        good luck hun. in whatever direction you choose. you'll get there.
                        1 luv, trish
  • Re: Peace Corps?

    Mon, May 22, 2006 - 9:56 AM
    I am in the process of getting my medical clearance. I have been reading your blog as part of my research on the peace corps and boning up on what I am getting into. I found these two disturbing links and would really like to know what you and others who are going, are in, or have returned from the PC. It's quite a lot of stuff, but I hope you will be willing/able to respond.

    Thanks,
    Gayle Bowerman
    GMBowerman@hotmail.com

    Here's the links:
    bartoy.blogspot.com/2006/04/...ings.html

    www.daytondailynews.com/projec...ecorps/
    • Re: Peace Corps?

      Tue, May 23, 2006 - 3:13 PM
      Gayle,

      That is my blog that you cite there. I have been doing quite a bit of research on the PC since my wife and I have applied to serve. You can see several posts on my blog that bring up the concerns that I have.

      Recently, someone commented on how the PC made them remove any material critical of George Bush from their blog when they became volunteers. This is tremendously creepy since it is so partisan.

      What PCVs don't seem to get is that they are being used by the government as "good press" despite the fact that they have a tremendous amount of independence and seldom interact with the government.

      There are many disturbing stories. And, it really frightens me to work for a government that is this corrupt. If you are willing to put your trust in the government for two and have absolutely no expectations of help or assistance or anything but hassle from them, then the PC should not be a problem.

      There are so many great NGOs out there that I really think it is better not to be a representative of the US government abroad.

      bartoy.blogspot.com
      • Re: Peace Corps?

        Wed, May 24, 2006 - 5:27 AM
        Kevin,
        Are you and your wife still actively planning to join? I have discovered another somewhat disturbing incident concerning the Peace Corps- these two PCVs in El Salvador had a very shady experience resulting in thier being administratively separated. Here's their account of the events: www.stopandwonder.com/2006/04...st.html.

        I have been assuming that not many people know about (the depth of) this side of the PC. It is a wide complaint that the organization is beauricratic and sluggish in nature, but not as warped as your accounts and the "Stop and Wonder."

        However it is extremely variable. I have also read numerous blogs where people seem to be having the more publicized type of experience, from people living in cities/villages/way out in the middle of nowhere. According to the Dayton Daily News article, it seems that many of the offenses occured in Guatemala. Since I've applied for Central/Latin America, it's good to know.

        I don't think these articles are going to deter me from joining, but it is definitely important to be prepared and aware of the fact that the organization can switch sides.

        Any thoughts on this topic, anyone?
        Thanks,
        Gayle Bowerman
        gmbowerman@hotmail.com
        • Re: Peace Corps?

          Wed, May 24, 2006 - 11:15 AM
          Gayle,

          My wife and I have had serious discussions about it. And, the more research that we have done, the less interested we have become in being part of the PC. At this point, I think that we are going to draft a letter to officially withdraw our application and forward that letter to anyone who will listen.

          One of the most frightening things to me is that even if you are "on your own" and "forging your own experience," you can't expect the PC to ever "have your back." I think that you need to realize this when you sign up. They seem to turn on their own in a heartbeat. I have heard so many stories about it. And, then, many of the PCVs and RPCVs also turn on them. It is very scary "group think."

          It is ironic that this type of "group think" creates a model agency for the Bush Administration.

          The PC is not just a bureaucratic and sluggish organization. It is a politicized, public relations arm of the State Department. I am sure that many PCVs do wonderful work and I am sure that all of them have beautiful and giving hearts, but they are all kidding themselves if they think that the government runs the PC out of altruism.

          I cannot put my lives in the hands of an organization that I cannot respect and trust.

          K.
      • Re: Peace Corps?

        Thu, May 25, 2006 - 9:22 AM
        I didn't so much work for the US and for Bush as I worked for Kamanjab Namibia and the people there.

        Sorry- i just don't feel that if your looking for a "darker side" to PC - that THAT is the direction to look in. sure you COULD look at it as being used for good press for the US gov't. but i'm sorry- walking to my school every day and teaching and doing projects and starting a library and building a womens business and creating a more solid parent group as well as building a better Kindergarten and reducing Corporal Punishment in the school - WAS my focus- Dealing with Buracracy was NOT. The orphans at the center that we built didn't know the difference. the only difference they knew about was the fact that they had BEDS now and wern't getting sick as much because they had FOOD comming... THATS what i worked on. The reports i fed into the PC detailing this - yes makes our gov't look good. so what. I don't care either way...

        Darker sides to PC DO happen. I have had experiance with PC medical office that scared me- putting me on drugs to 'prevent' me from getting sick, making me sign papers that I will take it no matter what- and then getting SERIOUSLY ill from those drugs. did i take them after that... no. did i tell them. no. I took my health into my own hands and went to my own doctor there.

        I was in PC durring 9-11. it was a wierd time. I think before then- PC was a very different animal than it is today. The worries I have about them now -
        ->The money they put into it and the amount of volunteers actually going... they can't support them. they cut the budgets BIG TIME and flooded the countries with volunteers. (i don't know if the screening process was made easier or what but I went over with 12 people and 7 of us left together. when leaving the group comming was 42. I believe they left with 20something... cuz i was still there throughout their service as well and saw a very different side to PC. But i was on a different level at that time too and was being hired for trainings for PCV's)
        ->the placement and housing- when you have SO many volunteers and a very low budget- you get problems such as throwing people into situations without really investigating. OR they tried to cover their ass when pulling a volunteer only to put another there and create the same mistakes twice.
        -> some placements are very political. One friend got placed at a mostly white school with 30 computers and state of the art equipment to teach international students who were just little rich punks and didn't want the skills... why was he placed in such a rediculous place? because of the parents of these students. he got moved and had a much better experiance the following year but not without a battle.

        YES working for the man has its down side. you Could just say- why do it and not do it. its a choice. personally- i loved the experiance and can take care of myself - i don't do anything i don't believe in and you can get around that kindof oppression in the PC. hell, you don't even see them for MONTHS at a time.

        anywho- i seem to be on a rant about this and i'll stop.

        peace, t.
        • Re: Peace Corps?

          Thu, May 25, 2006 - 9:29 AM
          Like most I have not heard much good news about the work the PC has been doing lately...many factors as to why that is. Some of you have stated them already.

          The only group overseas I am a member of and did some volunteer work for is Amnesty International as a field worker. I don't think this job is for everyone. It puts you at risk more times then I care to remember. But the rewards are great!
        • Re: Peace Corps?

          Thu, May 25, 2006 - 9:59 AM
          The Peace Corps is not a summer camp or particapatory democracy. They have a lot of quasi military rules which allow them to project a lot of volunteers into extreme conditions at minimum cost. There is a lot of variation in that experience as people have related. The adaptability required to deal with stupid rules or higher ups is the same adaptability required to figure out what to do in your village, the same adaptability required to survive. From Trish's description, it sounds like constant and early feedback from "the man" is crucial. So it's not for everyone, no guarantees.

          I can't think of any other program that provides 2 years of solid experience and responsibility without previous background in international development.

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