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Greetings,
I've heard that oyster mushrooms can grow on a number of different substrates even coffee grounds. I thought this was an excellent way to turn coffee grounds into potting soil. However, has anyone tried eating the oyster mushrooms grown on coffee grounds? If you have, do they have the taste of "old coffee?" Seriously, I'd hate to go through the trouble of sterilizing coffee grounds, incubating it for three weeks, and grow mushrooms on it only to discover that they end up tasting like truck stop coffee.
I've heard that oyster mushrooms can grow on a number of different substrates even coffee grounds. I thought this was an excellent way to turn coffee grounds into potting soil. However, has anyone tried eating the oyster mushrooms grown on coffee grounds? If you have, do they have the taste of "old coffee?" Seriously, I'd hate to go through the trouble of sterilizing coffee grounds, incubating it for three weeks, and grow mushrooms on it only to discover that they end up tasting like truck stop coffee.
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Re: Growing Oyster Mushrooms on Spent Coffee Grounds
Fri, July 18, 2008 - 11:27 PMThey taste like mushrooms, not coffee and their is no " buzz " from them either. -
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Sat, July 19, 2008 - 8:50 AMThanks! I'll give it a shot.
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Re: Growing Oyster Mushrooms on Spent Coffee Grounds
Wed, November 12, 2008 - 7:33 AMIf you use a fairly aggressive strain of oyster mushroom(most are pretty aggressive) there is no need to sterilize or even pasteurize the grounds, just use say a whole quart of grain or sawdust spawn and add your coffee grounds daily. Just don't start with a whole bunch of grounds. If you add them one load at a time they will not contaminate. -
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Re: Growing Oyster Mushrooms on Spent Coffee Grounds
Wed, November 12, 2008 - 8:47 PMThat is so true. Oyster mushrooms are the most aggressive and easy to grow mushrooms I have ever grown.
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Fri, November 14, 2008 - 1:52 AMhow and where do you get the spores for various mushrooms? -
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Re: Growing Oyster Mushrooms on Spent Coffee Grounds
Fri, November 14, 2008 - 5:57 AMYou can collect the spores from store-bought mushrooms. Or if the store bought variety is too young to produce spores, you could clone the mushroom tissue and begin a mushroom culture that way. Another way is to simply buy a mushroom growing kit. -
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Re: Growing Oyster Mushrooms on Spent Coffee Grounds
Sun, November 16, 2008 - 6:40 AMYou can simply cut the stem butts of store bought oyster mushrooms and they will very likely grow more mycelium if put in contact with a nutritious substrate. -
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Sun, November 16, 2008 - 8:28 AMYes, I've heard people doing that, but never tried it myself. -
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Sun, November 16, 2008 - 9:23 PMcool i will start this asap.....is there a better starter mushroom for a beginner ....one that I could buy at a grocery store or is this the best one of the bunch ....seems like it is a good one to start with? -
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Re: Growing Oyster Mushrooms on Spent Coffee Grounds
Sun, November 16, 2008 - 10:01 PMI'd use the oyster mushrooms found at your local farmers market. They would be the freshest mushrooms you can get. The fresher they are, the better chance you'll have at starting a culture from them. I'd get there fairly early too. Mushrooms tend to wither under exposure to sunlight and heat.
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Re: Growing Oyster Mushrooms on Spent Coffee Grounds
Mon, November 17, 2008 - 6:24 AMIf you don't have any luck locally give me an e-mail at christopher@williamsfamilyfungi.com I can send you something to get you started.
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Re: Growing Oyster Mushrooms on Spent Coffee Grounds
Wed, November 19, 2008 - 5:20 PMI like growing my oysters on a 50/50 mix of used coffee grounds and coconut coir. The grounds are free from the neighborhood coffee shop. -
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Wed, November 19, 2008 - 6:46 PMWhere do you get coconut coir from? -
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Wed, November 19, 2008 - 8:08 PMpet store -
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Wed, November 19, 2008 - 8:21 PMThey sell coconut coir at pet stores? Really? Are they sold as absorbent bedding for animal cages? -
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Fri, November 21, 2008 - 6:36 AMYep, you can also sometimes find it at a garden store. Probably for cheaper and in larger packages there. -
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Fri, November 21, 2008 - 11:21 PMThanks. I'll go and check it out. -
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Re: Growing Oyster Mushrooms on Spent Coffee Grounds
Fri, November 21, 2008 - 11:33 PMI saw some of that stuff in a sprouting tray...they work great for sprouts...they came in a kit...I will look into the pet stores...I need to do some sprout experiments as well...those things are quite useful -
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Re: Growing Oyster Mushrooms on Spent Coffee Grounds
Wed, November 26, 2008 - 1:19 PMI went to the pet store and saw a bag of the coconut material that you were referring too...but the one I saw was produced as a pad that would lay flat inside a cookie sheet....but the one I saw at the pet store was a bag full of coconut husks which looked more like fertilizer or chips. Which one should I consider getting? The pad is sort of like a cork material but more porous and absorbent. The husks are simply a bunch of loose chips of the same material? -
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Re: Growing Oyster Mushrooms on Spent Coffee Grounds
Wed, December 10, 2008 - 11:28 PMI found the coconut pads.....they had a ton of them at Costco....the are pads that line those metal baskets for hanging plants that you see every where....they are shaped like a circle. -
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Re: Growing Oyster Mushrooms on Spent Coffee Grounds
Sat, December 13, 2008 - 4:59 AMWhat are the prices like?
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Re: Growing Oyster Mushrooms on Spent Coffee Grounds
Sun, December 14, 2008 - 7:43 PMI got the coir at the local nusery/hardware store. It is a compressed dehydrated brick. -
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Re: Growing Oyster Mushrooms on Spent Coffee Grounds
Wed, December 17, 2008 - 1:15 AMhow long can mycilieum live without fruiting within a non refrigerated air sealed sterile mason jar? -
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Re: Growing Oyster Mushrooms on Spent Coffee Grounds
Wed, December 17, 2008 - 7:04 AMNot too long, oysters especially will start fruiting often just a few days after full colonization. This doesn't actually render the spawn useless, it's not ideal, but you can still use it. This happens to me alot and what I do is pluck off the primordia/small mushrooms and just use the spawn like normal. Refrigeration will slow down the growth quite a bit. -
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Re: Growing Oyster Mushrooms on Spent Coffee Grounds
Wed, December 17, 2008 - 7:51 AMI've been playing with growing some Oysters on coffee grounds. I got a pretty healthy looking cluster of oyster mushrooms from my grocery store and simply put some mushroom tissue in the coffee grounds, everything seemed to go great for the first few days, the fuzzy white mycelium coated all the grounds but then it just kind of stopped. it's been at that point for about a week and doesn't really appear to be doing any more growing. and now It appears that some (greenish/grey) mold has taken over. I'm going to try again this week and i'm wondering what I should do differently.
the first attempt was done inside a large (gallon) freezer bag... not sealed, but closed up enough that moisture didn't evaporate out of the grounds immediately. Maybe I should try a different container? bucket, or mason jar perhaps? also the first attempt was just pure coffee grounds, is it possible to do it on coffee grounds alone or is the cocounut material a must? I've been doing this in my basement somewhat near the water heater, so it's probably one of the warmer locations in the house, could the location be too warm?
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Re: Growing Oyster Mushrooms on Spent Coffee Grounds
Wed, December 17, 2008 - 10:49 PMThe greenish-grey mold is a competitive fungus known as Trichoderma. The best way to start an oyster mushroom culture is take a spore print from an oyster mushroom, scatter the spores on some nutrient agar, and then transfer the mycelium to the spent coffee grounds. Do you have a pressure cooker to help sterilize the coffee grounds? -
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Re: Growing Oyster Mushrooms on Spent Coffee Grounds
Thu, December 18, 2008 - 1:16 AMI just bout a pressure cooker....once I get one jar to grow the mycelium on the coffee grounds...can I shake it up and then transfer the mycelium on the some of those "shooken" up grinds to another jar that has sterilized coffee grounds in it? And continue this process over and over....or with Oyster Mushrooms should I just take samples from the agar. But once you get the mycelium into the coffee grinds....and it spreads thru the grinds in the jar.....well.....do you just let the fruits grow from the jar ...or do you place the grinds into a new space? This is the part I don't understand .....why is it necessary in some instances to place the sterilized material with the mycelium in another container ....is it simply a matter of giving space needed for full fruiting? I saw a video where a guy shook up the mycelium in the jar and used some of that to grow more in other jars....but I cant remember what the material he used was....some sort of rye wheat? I dont know ....does anyone have a clue what Im talking about ? -
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Re: Growing Oyster Mushrooms on Spent Coffee Grounds
Thu, December 18, 2008 - 10:13 PMThe easiest way to start a transfer culture is to use whole grain rye as your grain culture. First start your initial culture from spores on sterile agar. There are many recipes to prepare rye grain culture, but this one is the easiest. To prepare the rye grain, take about two cups of rye and soak it under water overnight. After it soaks overnight, boil it for about twenty five minutes, then strain it. Pour the cook rye grain in a canning jar. As for the lid, drill a quarter inch hole, and plug that it with a wad of cotton. The cotton will allow for air exchange with out any contaminating spores to enter. Pressure cook the rye grain at 15 psi for 30 minutes. Cool it down to room temperature before adding a small wedge of agar coated with oyster mycelium to the sterilized rye grain. Incubate the jar of rye grain at the appropriate temperature. However, every couple days, shake the jar to loosen the rye grain. After the rye grain turns completely white indicating complete colonization, pour a portion of the rye grain unto your spent coffee grounds. Each kernel of colonized rye grain will act as a inoculation point in your coffee grounds. The more rye grain that is used makes it easier for the oyster mushroom to faster colonize the coffee grounds making it also easier to subdue any contaminants. -
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Re: Growing Oyster Mushrooms on Spent Coffee Grounds
Sat, December 20, 2008 - 8:43 AMI buy coir as a seed starting mix for my garden. You can get it in a big bag from Gardens Alive online (which you can often get a freebie $20 off your order cupon) -
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Re: Growing Oyster Mushrooms on Spent Coffee Grounds
Sat, December 20, 2008 - 10:30 AMThanks for the info A. I found that very helpful! -
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Re: Growing Oyster Mushrooms on Spent Coffee Grounds
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Ooops, link doesn't work....
Sat, January 3, 2009 - 12:19 PMHere's the original:
Most other species of edible mushrooms are so particular about their environment that growing them in captivity requires a lot of careful work beyond what most people are willing to attempt. Pleurotus Ostreatus, on the other hand, is such a thriving and eager producer that it can be "copied" in your own home with a simple non-sterile procedure.
You will need:
A container -- a 5 gallon plastic bucket is a good choice
Coffee grounds -- enough to fill the container halfway
Fresh oyster mushrooms, about 2 ounces / 50g or more
some good recipes to make use of the results
A spray bottle.
Notes on source materials:
Your source mushrooms, at least in many American cities, can be bought at a grocery store or supermarket. They must be fresh, not dried, but they don't have to be in perfect condition. In fact, when you can find some that have begun to round the bend just slightly, those are the ones you want. Some Oysters seem not to realize they've been cut and packaged for sale: if you look closely you will find the more exuberant specimens continuing to produce new primordia and even fully-formed stems and caps right off of their own dying bodies. These more virulent examples make excellent starting material for a home culture.
To obtain the necessary volume of coffee grounds, you can either save your own for a while or, better, half-fill your container with recently discarded grounds from a coffee house. If you explain and ask nicely, or just make an excuse about a compost project you're working on, most coffee bars will allow you to take away some of their waste material.
It's preferable to bring home a mass of very fresh grounds like this rather than use your own, because the mass will tend to be properly hydrated, undecomposed, and uncolonized by competitor organisms. Once you establish your Oyster colony you can continue to feed it with leftover grounds from your own kitchen any time.
Planting your own colony is easy
First, make certain the grounds are at a reasonable moisture level. If you can squeeze liquid out of a handful, they're too wet. If a handful, when squeezed into a ball, won't hold together for a second, that is probably too dry. Excess water will breed competitor organisms and restrict the respiration that your oysters need to grow (they expire carbon dioxide, as we do). Insufficient water will stunt or entirely prevent their growth.
Having checked the water content, simply make your container half-full with grounds, then scoop out a hole sufficient to bury your source mushroom in the grounds. Tear your source Oyster (gently) into several pieces and lay them in the hole, then cover lightly with grounds, not too deep. About an inch of grounds covering the mushroom is good.
Care and feeding
What we call a mushroom is only the surface part of the organism -- its reproductive parts, in fact. Before producing actual mushrooms, the organism must grow its main body, known as mycelium, under the surface of its food source.
Maintenance of your Oyster colony is very simple. Keep a lid covering most or all of the container, but not closed tight. Keep the material inside moist by spraying with water now and then. Depending on where you live, water may be needed in the morning and evening, or less than once per day. You will need to experiment with how open or closed the lid is kept, to keep a humid, but not stale, environment in the container. Experiment also with the temperature, by keeping the container in different locations -- some strains of oysters prefer a range of around 55-70°F / 13-21°C; some will thrive in a somewhat cooler or warmer range.
New grounds can be introduced to the container on a regular basis. The colony will still work if you don't, but you will see the original substrate shrink a lot over time as it is consumed by the oysters' metabolism. So feeding the colony is good. But you don't want to feed it so much and so often that its growing mycelium gets too deeply buried. The mycelium is a whitish, stranded, fungal growth that constitutes the underground body of the mushrooms, necessary to their growth before they put up their edible fruiting bodies. After giving the organism an initial week or so to recover from transplant shock and begin growing, you should be able to locate mycelium somewhere in the grounds by gently digging. If you can't find any mycelial growth at all, either the grounds are out of the proper temperature or moisture range, or you're burying the organism too deeply.
Results
The length of time before there are new mushrooms to harvest will depend on climate and temperature. It seems to be a common experience of home Oyster growers to nearly give up on the colony and then, not long after that, take another look to find delicious clusters of gourmet love just waiting to be picked. Perhaps this is due to an effect common to many species of mushroom, in which a slight shock (such as underwatering due to abandonment) actually brings on fruiting -- as long as sufficient mycelium has been generated under the surface first. Typically, though, if you just follow the maintenance suggestions above, you'll have edible results in three to five weeks. The mushroom needs to grow a network of mycelium under the surface, strengthen itself by metabolizing a lot of the raw materials in the coffee-grounds substrate, build a lot of new cells, and finally burst to the surface with new fruiting bodies. This takes some time. Fortunately the burden of ownership is nothing more difficult than daily watering.
Harvesting
Harvest your new mushrooms with a sharp knife, attempting to cleanly sever their above-ground parts without disturbing the surrounding grounds or damaging any immature mushrooms that are nearby. Smaller ones will continue to grow from day to day. For good-tasting and healthy Oysters you'll want to harvest the ones that have reached a fair size but haven't come too close to spreading their gills yet. Try not to allow any of them to fully mature and open up to drop their spores -- this has an inhibiting effect on nearby growth.
Storage and lack thereof
Oyster mushrooms really should not be stored for long. Save them for up to a day or two in a refrigerator, but try to cook and eat them on the same day you harvest them. As much as they seem to thrive and regrow more willingly than other mushrooms, Oysters also have a very short shelf life, beyond which they quickly begin to taste fishy and may even be harmful to your health.
Enjoy!
Oyster mushrooms are delicious when sautéed lightly with other tasty ingredients, as toppings on polenta or pizza, in omelettes or quiche, and in sauces.
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Just one more thing....
Sat, January 3, 2009 - 8:55 PMIf you do grow oyster mushrooms, it's best not to do it in your living quarters. Do it out in an out-building, a garage, a back porch out of the rain.
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Sun, January 4, 2009 - 7:09 PMThat is so true. Oysters do shed a whole lot of spores. -
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Re: Just one more thing....
Wed, January 14, 2009 - 10:39 AMI have allot of grinds Ive been keeping in the fridge...but I'm afraid they are contaminated. Would the oysters still have nutrients to feed off them if I pressure cooked or baked them in the oven to sterilize them...or would the process destroy what ever nutrients are left in the coffee substrate?
also would this work.....once I have my grounds....can I put a few oysters in a coffee blender and grind them up and then throw then into the substrate? Put a lid with filtered holes in it and see what happens after a few weeks left in a room temp dark cupboard? -
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Wed, January 14, 2009 - 6:48 PMI doubt your collection of coffee grounds would need any treatment before use. Let them get to room temp before innoculation. Oysters don't need a sterile substrate to grow, and maybe even need some bacterial challenge to fruit. Providing bacterial interface for the spawn is what 'casing' is probably about: some strains require it.
Grinding oysters in water (with maybe a few drops, very few! of peroxide) sounds good to me. I hear they shouldn't be ground for long,, five seconds MAX. The mix should be pureed, not liquified so cells get burst open.
The instructions I've read seem to stress that colonization takes place at the top of the coffeeground pile, not down the sides, or deep in the container. Dont' bury chunks very deep, pour liquidized mushrooms on top but not stirred in. So have I heard.
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Re: Just one more thing....
Wed, January 14, 2009 - 9:21 PMok sounds like I just need to go to the store and get me some..Ill start tommorow.
Just cover the lid to my jar ...put some holes in the lid? and place in a room temp cupboard or just leave the lid off ? Wait I think I can put the grounds in a plactic bag and after I see some myco I can put a few holes/slits in the bag and I think the fruits will grow out of those slits. I think that is a good way to do it. -
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Re: Just one more thing....
Thu, January 15, 2009 - 11:35 AMi've got oysters growing in a plastic bag right now on rye seed. seems to be working great so far. this is my first attempt, so we'll see how it goes -
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Thu, January 15, 2009 - 11:37 AMcool..thanks everyone for your insights! -
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Oysters on Coffeegrounds
Thu, January 15, 2009 - 6:08 PMIf you were using a bucket to grow in, I hear the holes would be placed just about where the grounds top out... in order to drain CO2 from the growing space. It's heavier than the room air.
In the initial growth phase no air exchange is needed. The atmosphere about the grounds should be ~20% CO2 (20,000 ppm). As the mycelium gets established it'll "exhale" the CO2 necessary.
Once fully colonized (maybe two weeks), the CO2 levels above the grounds should drop to about 600ppm (correct math?: 0.6%) and temps should be dropped from the ideal 78-84F to 55-64F. Here's some info about ambient CO2 I lifted from dhs.wisconsin.gov/eh/chemfs...ioxide.htm
The levels of CO2 in the air:
* 250 - 350 ppm – background (normal) outdoor air level
* 350- 1,000 ppm - typical level found in occupied spaces with good air exchange.
* 1,000 – 2,000 ppm - level associated with complaints of drowsiness and poor air.
* 2,000 – 5,000 ppm – level associated with headaches, sleepiness, and stagnant, stale, stuffy air. Poor concentration, loss of attention, increased heart rate and slight nausea may also be present.
* >5,000 ppm – Exposure may lead to serious oxygen deprivation resulting in permanent brain damage, coma and even death.
20,000 ppm is probably only achievable in a closed container.
I can't keep my place heated to ~80F., so I expect slower colonizing. I see spots of white 'fuzz' already in my buckets! -
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Re: Oysters on Coffeegrounds
Thu, March 12, 2009 - 5:19 PMuh, anyone else have problems with insects or anything? i've got two tubs growing right now. i opened one to check and see what's going on, and was shocked to discover all they mycelium gone. upon closer inspection i discovered tiny worm/maggot looking organisms in the coffee grounds. i assume they're eating the crap out of my gourmet treat.what do ya'll think? -
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Re: Oysters on Coffeegrounds
Mon, March 16, 2009 - 8:07 AMyea .....I failed at my coffeeground attempt as well....I tried it in a platic zip lock bag ....I think the coffee grounds were too moist and the myc never got going?
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Re: Oysters on Coffeegrounds and worms
Mon, March 16, 2009 - 9:51 PMYes, worms can be a big problem in growing mushrooms in a non-sterile environment. If you ever have gone on a mushroom foray, usually finding edible mushrooms aren't a problem. However, finding edible mushrooms that don't have worms in them is a real challenge.
Instead of using the tub method, may be you could use the mushroom culture bags that have filter patches on them. I've used them before. They're really easy to use. They're available at Fungi Perfecti as well as other mushroom supply houses. -
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Re: Oysters on Coffeegrounds and worms
Thu, April 2, 2009 - 11:25 AMGotta' put nail holes or equivalent at the bottom of the container as well as just above the level of the coffee grounds for gas exchange and condensation to drip out. No holes big enough for slugs or gnats.
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Re: Ooops, link doesn't work....
Sat, October 24, 2009 - 9:04 PMHi all , Im new to the forum.. but already have learned alot! wow...
I am currently growing (just started) 6 shiitake logs outside. and I have 2 inside, also have a box of portabellas going.
I have a couple questions.
#1. IF I can scoop some of the mycelium from the portabella box, can I add it to more compost and keep them going? I have a small farm and we make our own compost from llama, alpaca, sheep poo. and a tiny bit of chicken. Most was used this spring for the garden, how broken down must it be, and I am assuming i need to stearlize it if I can use the mycelium. if you can help me it would be appreciated.
#2 I want to get some of the Oysters going. was gonna buy a kit but WOW.. then thought about the grain.. but by the sound of it I dont need to. HOWEVER.... I cant find any oyster mushrooms in the area. I am going to try growing in the coffee, but Im also curious about growing on Toilet paper rolls. How can I do this same thing with them? I can go to a coffee shop, but always interested in new and exciting projects. This will be a project with my 7 yo son. We raise most of our own food, including chicken, pigs, lambs, eggs, geese, ect. it only seems natural to add mushrooms into the mix. thanks for all the wonderful ideas already.
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Re: Ooops, link doesn't work....
Mon, October 26, 2009 - 2:37 PMFor question no. 1,
I’d say that depending on how “warm” your environment is, your compost should be two to three months old. I’ve heard of people using fresh manure but it needs to be leached with water to help rinse out the excess urine found in manure. I’ve read that leaching is messy and smelly but does work. As for sterilizing the compost, the more sterile it is the better. However, when inoculating the compost with the spawn, do break it up so that the mycelium has a chance to colonize it faster. The faster it colonized the growing medium, the less chance contaminants can over take the mushroom culture
For question no. 2,
I did try to grow oysters on coffee filled toilet paper rolls. However, I discovered that toilet paper rolls tend to fall a part when keep moist for an extended period of time. I think it’s easier to simply grow them in a plastic bucket with lid. Check out Fungi Perfecti at www.fungi.com/kits/indoor.html They have photo of oysters growing on coffee grounds in a bucket. -
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Re: Ooops, link doesn't work....
Tue, October 27, 2009 - 12:58 PMI hate to seem like a know it all but when it comes to using compost or straw to grow mushrooms 'the more sterile the better' is bad information. You actually want to pasteurize the compost, not sterilize it. The easiest way to do this is by pouring hot water(160-180 degree) in a tank over the compost and maintain the heat for one to two hours.
Even when working with grain or supplemented sawdust there is such a thing as too sterile. After pressure cooking grain beyond a certain point you damage the nutrients that the mushrooms need.
The point of pasteurizing compost or straw is so that you don't kill off all the beneficial micro-flora. If you were to sterilize straw and then try to grow mushrooms on it with traditional methods molds and bacteria would flourish before the mycelium even had a chance.
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