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hello there. just wondering if anyone has anything to say about taking the pulse. i'm getting toward the end of my first year at aimc...things are rolling along pretty smoothly so far, but taking the pulse and naming what i feel is still quite a puzzle. and the lack of clear hands on instruciton a bit frustrating. wondering if there are any teachers, courses, books, magical finger sensitivity exercises out there that others have found helpful. of course....at the same time realizing it takes many years to master the pulse....and maybe the only way to do it is to take lots and lots of pulses, go study with some sagely doctor, be patient with my skill level, etc...
thanks!
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Re: any tips for learning the pulse?
Mon, February 23, 2009 - 10:29 PMLearn to feel a thready pulse(like a thin thin thread) a wirey pulse(taut like a tightrope) and a choppy pulse(blood stasis person will be in pain), slippery is harder to feel but its phlegm
Most pulses of Americans I feel are wirey, thready or both
Wirey move the liver qi, thready tonify kidney yin, blood stasis move blood
Its harder to feel the yang/yin organs but if you notice one pulse very weaker than others or bulging that is a clue that organ system has a problem...Look at tongue and symptoms to confirm
"the web that has no weaver" is thought of as an intro book but it has a better pulse chapter than most textbooks. Morant's book has good pulse info too...
With pulse and tongue remember that more often than not it will show several things out of harmony at once as in some phlegm some qi or blood stasis some blood def., some fire in some systems some cold others or cold feet and heart fire or whatever that is normal clear-cut cases like in textbooks are rare but you can find what is most out of balance -treat that and it will cause chain reactions to benefit other systems, also in America, medications, driving fast to the appt., coffee, etc, these factors change the pulse so sometime in our culture pulse method has some drawbacks ...Hope that helps,
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Re: any tips for learning the pulse?
Mon, February 23, 2009 - 11:14 PMI am finishing up at ACTCM and have found the more I learn, the less I know. There are tons of different pulse experts and ways to read the pulse. We are taught the most simple ways (bowstring, slippery, etc.) and I have personally found these to be very limiting.
The best advice is to feel lots of pulses and ask a lot of questions. My best supervisors tell me to find out the patient's complaints first and then to feel their pulse. Because then you will learn what a lung qi deficiency pulse feels like after your patient tells you they have COPD - for example. I still know nothing but I can take a patient's pulse and on a good day I can ask them things and they will say "you can tell that from my pulse?"
I highly recommend taking pulse classes outside of school, specifically classes from Bob Levine and from Brian LaForgia who teaches Shen-Hammer. You can also buy that book, I hear it's an easy read. Bob Levine has his own system which combines Aryuvedic and Tibetan pulse reading and is amazingly accurate, also focusing more on emotional aspects. Brian LaForgia's class is great I hear because he walks you through each pulse and talks to you about what you are feeling. IE: he will feel a pulse in one position and say - "can you feel this" and describe it and sit and wait till you feel it.
One supervisor told me to get back to the basics. Is it strong or weak? Is it wide or thin? Does it press against your fingers? Is it fast or slow? She would have me write my pulses - "wide and deep" or "strong and thin" - getting back to the basics and not depending on the wording we're taught in school.
The other good advice I have gotten, and use quite frequently, are to really take your time and feel all 3 levels. Qi, Blood and Organ levels in all three positions. Now when I write my pulses I will write - thin on qi level or 1st level, etc. and go through each level and each position and try to discern what is there.
There is a LOT more than the basics we are taught (thin, bowstring/wiry, tight, slippery, etc.) And each pulse stands for many different things. A slippery pulse does not only mean phlegm or dampness, it can (and often does) mean the person just ate or if a person is pregnant they will have a slippery pulse.
And with more practice you will be able to tell when someone drinks coffee - they have a distinct "coffee pulse" and you will come to know that anyone on HIV meds has a very strong, bowstring pulse which does not indicate excess, it's due to their meds. I also recently had a patient who had a very strong BS pulse and it turned out to be because he was on Cymbalta - so it's also important to check on their Western meds.
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Re: any tips for learning the pulse?
Tue, February 24, 2009 - 3:02 PMthanks for the replies!
still sounds like it will be mostly about practice. (i'm impatient!)
i have taken a few electives just on pulse, but it gets confusing back in clinic when i've learned these other systems (nanjing 5 depth, 6 channel, 8 extras) but still don't completely grasp the basic 20something TCM pulses. nevertheless, all the personal attention has been well worth those sunday classes. i'm pretty sure i know wiry, slippery if it's really obvious (but instructors have definitely said it was slippery when i didn't feel it at all), thin when i remember to pay attention to width. otherwise, i mainly notice which organs are really jumping out at me...or which are really hard to feel. but in the end....still have a hard time verbalizing what i feel to teachers that want the out of the book TCM words for it all. and i think those neural pathways that turn my fingertip sensations into memories need some more regular use for sure....
anyways...i'll look into those instructors you mentioned, amondala.
otherwise...thinking of starting a little group of classmates to get together and take each other's pulses once a week or so...and putting some intention into feeling my own more often (like when i'm really hungry....or just after eating...or if i have caffeine or something)...
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Re: any tips for learning the pulse?
Mon, March 9, 2009 - 11:18 PMCatie,
It truly sounds like you're on the right track :) Remember, it takes YEARS to get this stuff!!! And that's not 1-4 years either - it's a lot more than that, and I understand impatience but really you have all the time in the world :)
I have been told to take as many pulses as possible, and this does seem to help. Even today, after feeling pulses for 3+ years and still being less than a complete novice, I felt something in someone's pulse that I've never felt before...
It's kind of like a cool puzzle!!
You will succeed! Being excited about it is more than half the battle!!!
Amon
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