AIMC vs. ACTCM

topic posted Fri, December 29, 2006 - 7:30 AM by  Molly
Hello!
I am currently thinking of ditching my career for acupuncture school, and I'm comparing AIMC vs ACTCM.
I was wondering if any of you guys go to these shools and if you could tell me some pros and cons of each?
posted by:
Molly
SF Bay Area
  • Re: AIMC vs. ACTCM

    Fri, January 5, 2007 - 1:20 PM
    I would recommend sitting in on classes at both. From what I understand AIMC is a lot more laid back whereas ACTCM is much more intense. AIMC has longer/more clinic hours. ACTCM offers clinic hours at their home clinic as well as outstide clinic hours (ie: at Haight Ashbury Free Clinic, etc.) I have friends who have transferred from ACTCM to AIMC and they are very happy there. I am just finishing my first year at ACTCM and it has almost killed me - but I know no different. I can honestly say that acupuncture school is 1,000 times harder than I ever imagined. I can also honestly say that if I had to do it over again I would never ever do it. BUT.... I LOVE the medicine, I am happy I have survived thus far and I am looking forward to practicing. At ACTCM we have a test a week in one class and every other week in other classes so it's nonstop. I thought I needed this structure to push myself and I've almost pushed myself right out of school - as I end up wanting to drop out every quarter and crying my eyes out every time finals come. It's intense and a lot of pressure. The quarter is 11 weeks so when we finally breathe there is are midterms and then finals. I started my 6th quarter this week and my first test is next week. It will be like this for the first 2 years I am told. The only thing I can say for sure is what I said above -- I would highly recommend going to both schools and sitting in on classes in each.
    • Re: AIMC vs. ACTCM

      Sun, January 7, 2007 - 12:50 PM
      I just finished my first year at AIMC Berkeley and really loved it! I agree with Choying that you should sit in on a class at both schools. AIMC is supposed to be more laid back than ACTCM but at the end of every trimester me and my classmates were completely burned out. My nervous system took a beating and I ended up getting lots of stomach/digestion problems from all the test anxiety. I think its a lot of pressure regardless of what school you go to. Its a lot of information to take in and if you're not familular with eastern medicine the philosophy will seem just out there! I hear from my upper classmates that it gets easier and things start to make sense eventually... I hope their right, lol! But if its really too much then you could just go part time in the beginning. I found that study groups really work well. Just repeating the information and hearing my classmates say it helped me absorb more information.

      AIMC in general has a good vibe. Students and faculty are really nice and everyone is really supportive of each other. AIMC also has other clinic locations in or near the East Bay. The location is good and close to the BART station. Do some research and definitely visit both schools. Thats the only way you can really tell which one fits your needs.

      Good Luck!
  • Re: AIMC vs. ACTCM

    Wed, May 9, 2007 - 11:06 PM
    Hello all,

    I am a 2nd trimester student at AIMC. So far, i am pretty happy with it. I don't know how ACTCM is, but my classes are pretty intense. Our curriculum is very tight--the first few trimesters are 20 units for full-time. The total hours are 3,398.

    The atmosphere is very supportive (from faculty and other students). You can really feel the sense of community. All the instructors I have so far are really knowledgable and communicate well. They all have good sense of humor as well. The class sizes range from 4 to around 15 students. So you really get to know the teachers and have time to ask questions. So if you just walk into the classrooms/student lounge and see people laughing & joking around, it may SEEM laid-back. But it doesn't mean we are not learning well. Most of my classmates are really enthusiastic and proactive about learning. Not all care about getting straight A's though. Some classes you get tested every week. Other ones we have 4-5 exams in 14-15 weeks.

    Other things I like so far:
    -Good teachers (good practitioners who are also good teachers) Most of the younger, american instructors teaching the basic courses are exposed to different systems of acupuncture, so even though they teach TCM, they are not so dogmatic.

    -Exposure to Japanese Acupuncture as well as other non-TCM styles. Officially, we only have 2 Japanese acupuncture therapy classes. But the main Acu. Channels/Points + Acu. Technique 1 teacher is Japanese who was trained in both TCM and Japanese style. So from early on, we get exposure to both Chinese & Japanese acupuncture. There are also a few Japanese clinic supervisors and many Japanese CEUs that you can take.

    -A lot of weekend CEU seminars that we can take for way below regular price. (For example, we pay $95 for the $380-$480 seminars) on a wide variety of topics. I have to resist the temptation to overdose myself on it.

    -Recent grads said that the school preps us well on the business side of things as well as taking the board exams.

    -External clinic sites.

    -Responsive Administration. They really listen to the students. Classes/instructors that don't work out don't stay in the program for long.

    -Flexible and predictable schedule. All the classes are offered every trimester.

    -Well-balanced curriculum that goes way beyond the CA minimum.

    -Lots of clinic observation time (small group size) from the first trimester on.

    Cons:
    -Sometimes there are last minute minor changes to the curriculum and schedule. Occasionally, I hear complaints about the admin. not keeping students up-to-date in everything.

    -It's a small school, so you don't have much choice of instructors for classes (I guess except in clinic)

    -No electives. (I guess the program itself and taking classes in the continuing ed. program keeps me busy)

    -Studying abroad program is being worked on but not here yet.

    -Not a lot of off-campus activities or opportunities to work in hospital.


    A lot of little things can be improved. But general, I am happy with it.
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    • Re: AIMC vs. ACTCM

      Thu, May 10, 2007 - 7:05 PM
      Donna - WOW - thank you for all this great info!!!

      I will say a few things re: ACTCM's differences and likenesses about what you put your AIMC:

      we are on the track system so you cannot change classes very easily and the classes are offered every 6 months (every 2 quarters) so if you decide to take a quarter off, you will be forced to take 2 quarters off - if you decide to put off comps you have to wait 2 quarters before taking them. the full time units are between 16 and 18.

      the classes are not huge at ACTCM, but they don't sound as small as AIMC - they usually run from about 10 to 18 students - but more on the 18 student size.

      you don't usually get a choice of teachers, but at times you can switch - for example this quarter I switched to a different teacher and it was OK.

      i believe AIMC offers night classes and while ACTCM has a day or night "track" at times the night track ppl have to take day classes and visa versa cuz there is only 1 class available. the night classes are from 5:30pm to 9:30pm

      AIMC has more clinic hours.

      ACTCM has one Japanese acupuncturist in clinic that is very good but also very hard.

      ACTCM offers quite a few electives, and in your final year you must take a certain amount.

      ACTCM does offer a quarter (or perhaps it's just part of a quarter) in China - but right now the time spent there does not count toward your school credits (though this might change in the future) - the benefit is that you can go while receiving financial aid.

      I'm sure there's more but I my brain is dead due to midterms -- my excuse today anyway ;)
  • Re: AIMC vs. ACTCM

    Sun, May 13, 2007 - 10:50 PM
    I think it is important to remember that there is just no way to learn everything that you need learn about Chinese medicine in 4 years anyway. There is no reason to limit your resources to only the school you go to. We can take outside classes/workshops in other schools too. And even though i am learning lots in my classes, I am doing a lot of my learning outside of the school program too. I know a ACTCM student who's taking the Japanese contact needling seminar at our school next week, and a few students from the Oakland school taking some classes here because the schedule happens to work well.

    As long as you go to a school that gives you a good foundation of the core education, has good breadth and depth in the direction that you are interested in, and that you like the atmosphere and the people, it would make a good learning environment for YOU.

    Good luck in your search.

    Donna

    • Re: AIMC vs. ACTCM

      Wed, May 16, 2007 - 7:57 PM
      Donna,

      I totally agree with you. Thank you again for the wise words! I just checked the AIMC page and see that in Sept they are offering a Tue, Thurs, Sat schedule. ACTCM is pretty rigid with their "newish" track system and it's not very convenient. For example this quarter I have one class per day, 5 days a week and I commute. I have no other choices re: my schedule. Next quarter I HAVE to take a class that ends at 8:30pm cuz it's the ONLY time it's offered. This quarter I have clinic till 9pm one night and class at 9am the following morning - again with a commute. I think that would be my biggest complaint about ACTCM, is the lack of class/schedule flexibility.

      Also, looking at AIMC's comps vs. ACTCM's comps - AIMC seems spaced out better. We have fundamentals and diagnosis, which I didn't see under your comps and we have all of the comps in 2 days. 1 day, an 8 hour test - we have fundamentals, diagnosis, acupuncture technique, meridian theory, points, point location and herbs. Then 2 days later we have the practical for points (locating 10 points in 12 mins on a model) and the clean needle practical.

      Personally, I looked at both schools, and the Oakland school - looked around, talked to students, etc. But I think sitting in on classes is really good too.

      And yes, as Donna says - in the end - it comes down to learning what you can in the 4 years you have and then learning more when you leave. Whichever you choose, it's not going to be easy, that's for sure!
      • Re: AIMC vs. ACTCM

        Tue, February 5, 2008 - 12:06 PM
        Hi There
        Here are some good point about ACTCM that I thought I'd share:

        -Diverse TCM theory are included in the curriculum (i.e. not exclusively "five element" theory, etc)
        -Tuition is reasonable when looked at in terms of # of hours/length of program
        -Been in business since 1980 (longevity).
        -One of only a handful of TCM schools offering a Doctorate in TCM
        -Mandatory community service is included in the curriculum
        -Lots of elective courses
        -Many great resources for students (free workshops, lectures, guest speakers, in-services, etc)
        -While it is TCM based, Western medicine and science is integrated into the curriculum well
        -Study-abroad opportunity in China
        -One of the highest passing rate on state board exams
        -Tons of resources are available during and after the program to help students learn how to run their own practice
        -On-campus student-run herb garden.
        -Location in a major urban area
        -Optional Masters in Traditional Chinese Medicine combined with a certificate in shiatsu or Tui Na.
        -Optional Doctoral degrees in "women's health" and "pain management".
        -Awesome TCM library.
        -About 8 different externships sites, from geriatrics, to detox, to HIV/AIDS and homeless populations.
        -Thriving clinic. They currently have a 2-3 week waiting list for patients to get an appointment!

        I say, do your research, and you must go visit in person. Every school's community is different, and so many offer more than what you can tell just from their website or catalog.

        Go, meet with students, talk to alumni, and sit in on a class. Then you'll know where you fit in best.

        Good Luck!

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