Nityananda wrote [[.. why after hearing Gita did Arjuna kill thousands of ppl?]]
** Because he realized his true Dharma.

Krishna reminded Arjuna of his Dharma: to be a warrior. By fulfilling his Dharma, Arjuna would accumulate good Karma. And in doing so, help the others - like Bhishma and Drona - to fulfill their Karma.

Krishna then reminded Arjuna of Samsara, the ever-flow of all that lives. Remember, the wise do not grieve death or life.

Still unconvinced, Krishna reminded Arjuna that Moksha is the ultimate aim of life. That by experiencing Moksha the threads of Samsara are cut, allowing a return to Paramatma (Brahman).

Finally, Krishna revealed his true nature. In this Arjuna saw all worlds, all gods .. simply ALL. This brought him to realization and so enabled him to fulfill his Dharma.

Be Whole!
Siddhananda Devi

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Namaste Nityananda,

Sorry it's taken a while for me to respond here. I've been a little busy. I'll try to get back to some of the other discussions in this group when I have the time also.

Okay, I'm mostly going to just quote the Gita for my response here.

This is a question that's pretty central to the theme of the Gita. The whole reason that Krsna expounds the secrets of Yoga to Arjuna is because he is having a "crisis of faith" on the battlefeild. He does not think that killing his enemy is right, no matter if they're in the wrong or not; but as a Kshatriya he is supposed to do his duty and fight (it's a little more complicated than that, but for breivity I'll leave it at that). So, right away Krsna's words address this:

"You mourn those, Arjuna, who do not deserve mourning...." (2.11)

Then after explaining the nature of transmigration and the imperishable Atman He continues:

"Who sees the Self as slayer, and who sees it as slain, know
nothing about the Self.
It does not slay. It is not slain." (2.19) (Compare to Katha Upanishad 2.19)

"Man, confused by his ego, thinks 'I am the doer'." (3.27)

"Though seeing, listening, smelling, eating, walking,
sleeping, breathing, talking, holding, and discarding,
He should say,
'I do nothing at all, only my senses are busy'" (5.8,9)

The clear message here is that death of the body is natural and should not be any cause for greif sinse a persons Being still lives on in the imortal Atman. So who is the slayer of the body then? Who is the doer? Arjuna sees for himself during Krsna's "multi-cosmic revelation" to him. Arjuna narates what he sees:

"Bhisma, Drona, karna,
Dhritarashtra's son's, Kings and warriors,
Sweep into your mouth;
between your teeth their heads protude,
dreadfully crushed.
Like many small streams rushing to the ocean,
these heroes rush into your flaming mouths.
And you chew the worlds in your flaming mouths,
and lick your lips;
O Krsna, your shaft's of flame brighten the universe." (11.26-30)

After this horrific vision of death and destruction Arjuna says to Krsna:

"Tell me who you are...." (11.31)

Krsna responds:

"I am Time (Kala), supreme destroyer of the three worlds,
here visable in the three worlds.
Even if you refuse to fight, none of these soldiers will live.
Wake up, Arjuna, and win the glory! Destroy your enimies
and enjoy their kingdom!
Their death is ordained- you are only he immediate cause.
All have already been killed by me-
Drona and Bhisma, Jayadratha, Karna and the others.
Fight the day is yours!" (11:32-34)

So the lesson here is that Krsna is the only doer, the only cause, of anything wether it be killing or whatever. We (our bodies) are only immediate causes (i.e. instruments of Krsna's).

Well, I don't have any more time, but perhaps later I can get into the renunciation of the fruits of actions, ect.

Aum! Shanti!
Austin