ADD doesn't exist....

topic posted Thu, May 15, 2008 - 9:35 PM by  Sarahlayla
I was told today by my psychiatrist that ADD doesn't exist, that it hasn't been proved yet, and he compared it to the fact that some men are short and others tall, bassically some people have more concentration than others, he said that it is society that has made this to be a problem, because of the pressure put on people to succeed. He also said that he's the type of guy that forgets things all the time, and that it's not that big of a deal and that stimulant drug would increase the concentration of any living person wich is why people feel improvements after using them....

Anybody ever heard this before, I'm kinda stunned by this statement...

Sarah
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Sarahlayla
Canada
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    Thu, May 15, 2008 - 10:14 PM
    yeah but it's a matter WHAT DEGREE of improvment

    grasshopper
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      Thu, May 15, 2008 - 10:30 PM
      ADD exist, but I think it wasn't as much of a big deal in more primitive times. For me, one of the problems that I get from ADD is that so much of my social life has been lost, and I don't think that could have changed by much during simpler times.
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    Thu, May 15, 2008 - 11:14 PM
    Ohhh... I wish I could've asked him to come babysit when my twin toddlers in 1983. And I don't mean for a couple of hours -- I mean for a week, around the clock, no breaks. We'd see how heroic he'd feel after just a few days with the boy... as compared to the girl. And if he felt tempted to blame it on bad parenting, well, I'd let him have the job for a month.
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      Thu, May 15, 2008 - 11:15 PM
      Strike that "when" (1983). I sure wish we could edit posts, especially when something is typed at half past midnight.
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        Thu, May 15, 2008 - 11:58 PM
        not being able to edit posts, pressing submit impulsively - who suffers more than those in this ADD forum from that combination.

        ADD doesn't exist, he said.
        it's true that many gifted people display some of the same outer signs as those with ADHD (inattention, impulsivity, running a million thoughts in the head, working a few hundred projects at once, bouncy behaviour), but that's no excuse for a Doctor of Psych to dismiss the idea of ADHD.

        He might benefit from a nice long chat with Dr. Ratey.
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          Fri, May 16, 2008 - 7:21 PM
          There is a work around for editing post. If you were to hit the back button of your browser, and change the entry, it will usually take. This only works if nobody else has posted since your post. It has saved my butt several times.
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          Fri, May 16, 2008 - 7:31 PM
          >but that's no excuse for a Doctor of Psych to dismiss the idea of ADHD. He might benefit from a nice long chat with Dr. Ratey.

          He might benefit from a nice, long *smack* of my hand upside his wooden head.
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    Fri, May 16, 2008 - 4:36 AM
    I can kind of understand what he is saying though. I sometimes think how we go about diagnosing ADHD is based on a very small window of acceptable behavior, and anything outside of that window is wrong and has to be "fixed" rather than accepted and dealt with. But at the same time, I have to live in this world, with these attitudes, and the drugs and behavior modifications really help!
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      Fri, May 16, 2008 - 4:50 AM
      frankly, I dont give a flying fuck whether someone feels A.D.D. is real or not

      it's like trying to explain what L.S.D. feels like to someone who hasn't taken it ...

      (or something ...)


      8^D
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    Fri, May 16, 2008 - 8:49 PM
    I've had a hard time socialising my whole life, specially as a child, with obvious consequences
    I can rarely maintain long term friendships
    I pospone alot
    I forget appointments
    I forget to pay bills
    I don't recognise people
    I feel deaf sometimes because my brain only registers half of what's been said
    I feel tired
    I feel hyper
    I speak before I think
    I start projects arround the house I never finish
    I can't make up my mind
    I feel like a loser
    I have low self esteem
    I lose things all the time
    My house is a mess
    I'm very impulsive
    I often feel like a dog chasing it's tail
    I interrupt people when they speak
    I forget to take my meds or take them twice
    I don't "get" things as fast as the rest of them
    Etc...

    Now someone tell me how the fuck this is comparable to being short or small??
    If it didn't impair my life why would I bother dealing with all the side effects the meds put me through???

    Sarah
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      Fri, May 16, 2008 - 8:51 PM
      And you're right, I don't believe anyone can truely understand how it feels like to have ADD uness they have it or live with someone who does...

      Sarah
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        Fri, May 16, 2008 - 11:04 PM
        perfecto! that's what it comes down to. my response to your topic was going to be (and still is to a degree):

        everybody with ADD raise your hand(s). now wave em like you just don't give a shit about somebody's over-intellectualized take on all of us who don't really have a disorder which impairs some critical capacities to function in today's world. we abound because natural selection lets us through the net. in more dire circumstances, we're the risk takers willing to do all sorts of stupid shit on the spurt of the moment, so i can see how society is just coming around to the idea that we're a legit segment of the population, treated or otherwise. we've been the write-offs of history, for the most part. there are the crazy inventive infamous ADDers throughout time, but nowadays...watch out!

        my actual factual response is that he's technically correct in a very relativist sense, but beyond that, it really minimalizes a real experience for many of us. and generally not a sun-shiny one at that. it makes you wonder how he treats his patients (in both senses of the word treat). i'm not saying he's a bogus doc. if you like him and he's helping, stick with him. was that even part of the story?

        i was lucky to go to the AD/HD Clinic of Eastern Iowa, whose main dude had a bit on the news at noon taking calls and answering questions about raising children. he was also a recovering ADDer and his ability to flag some bullshit was uncany. sweet.

        rock on with your ADD! make the world restructure around you. if that's even possible. who knows.
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    Sat, May 17, 2008 - 10:03 AM
    my daughters last pediatrician said that to me & i told him he should take her for a day & then tell me if he still felt that way. he told me it was my problem that i couldn't handle her. i then promptly told him where to stick it & found a GOOD doctor. my dad & his sister were both diagnosed with it as older adults & take meds for it, i was diagnosed & so it wasn't a shock to me when my own child had it too.

    her new doc started her on adderall, but it wasn't really working all that well. all it did was give her more focus to be even more defiant and have longer, harder, nastier rages. so the doc sent her to a psych specialist at a hospital in boston & she was evaluated & diagnosed with *severe* adhd & *severe* odd too. her meds were switched to concerta & now she's doing beautifully. she's happier on the meds. she WANTS to take them because she feels the difference and she's not in trouble at school all the time anymore.

    but add/adhd/odd/bipolar all of these are mainly umbrella terms for a variety of different symptoms anyway. so if someone wants to call it adhd or 'inability to concentrate' it doesn't really matter as long as it's treated appropriately & effectively.

    if your doc doesn't want to call it add but is willing to treat the symptoms, and your comfortable with that then keep him. but if you're not comfortable with him saying it doesn't exist or if he doesn't treat the symptoms, then i'd definitely find a new doc.
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      Sat, May 17, 2008 - 10:23 AM
      I find it amazing what the professionals don't know. I already had some experience with this when I first found out that I am HIV+. One has to do a lot of research, as the you have to be your own advocate.
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      Sat, May 17, 2008 - 10:32 AM
      as my psych. doc. says "when people get to be 35 years old plus, bipolar and things like this get even more complex and you can develop concurrences like A.D.D. all of the sudden ... much related to mid-life crises and disappointments in life like divorces, job problems and so on ...."
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        Sat, May 17, 2008 - 12:03 PM
        that's a rather interesting observation. from an article i just read in scientific american i thought around 35 it's just called getting old. not to say that 35 is in any way old, but the brain starts it's final descent prior to landing and things like memory and quicktitude have to be honed. when you take out the conncective tissue of any structure, something's bound to shift, sink or collapse. but i think it's all just the aging process.
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          Sun, May 25, 2008 - 1:43 PM
          i agree w/ many of the comments and will add that western medicine in general is dependent on the pharmaceutical dictators, and the DSM-R. I'll always be a conspiracy theory paranoid type.

          So, if you are a believer in the chemical model, best find a shrink who abides by it...

          On many levels i believe in other models of treatment for various disorders.But when it comes to the brain, I opted for the chemical model of western medicine years ago...So, i'm labeled..don't care...the meds help...and my body is so used to pharmaceuticals that to reverse the chemistry w/ herbs and vitamins or homeopathic alternatives is not something i'm willing to do at this point...At one time I tried, and as open minded as i am about most things, strong meds to the less aggressive organic one's has been counterproductive for me.

          And, yes i believe we are a society of over diagnosing....But i have been diagnosed and medicated for bipolar-20 yrs. and more recently 10 yrs. for ADD...after 20 yrs. of an inability to adapt to society norm's...and in todays world, if options are available, then it's in my best interest to take them.

          The mothership would have recalled me yrs. ago, i'd be in an insane asylum in another era, and dead in a past century.

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