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so I was dreaming last night of just arriving in India and going straight to the ghats where i was digging up skeletal pieces from the dirt. Finding different parts and then wandering off to find a place to meditate and possibly find someone who could show me how to eat flesh. Very nice dream I'll tell ya. I felt very comfortable there.
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Re: Aghor Dream
Sun, May 20, 2007 - 1:28 PMI've had some dreams related to Tantra and Aghora as well. I will try to dig up my dream journal and post them here. -
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Sun, May 20, 2007 - 2:27 PMI had fever dreams of an Aghori on the train to Varanasi.
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Tue, June 12, 2007 - 1:54 PMRecently I had a dream which was quite weird...not sure if it qualifies as an aughar dream...I normally dont recall my dreams but this one is a bit unforgettable (and not in a good way)...
In the dream, I am walking into a structure which I imagine to be a temple...there is no idol placed yet but there is a roaring fire there.....I am dragging the dead body of a young woman by the hair...I reach the fire and take a knife and cut her head off......it was really vivid.....then I dont remember what happened in between...but the scene resumes and I am sitting with a friend (who shares this interest) on some steps near that fire and there are people around.....there is a scary old hag in some rags with all sorts of items around her muttering something near the fire....then she brings the half the dead girl's head to me and offers it, indicating I should eat...I take it and I dont want to eat first because it suddenly strikes me that this is a human head....so I offer it to my friend...we bicker in a frinedly way over who should eat first and I wake up.... -
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Tue, June 12, 2007 - 7:52 PMOm Namo Narayana -
Actually that is a very symbolic and good dream.
Maha Shanti OM
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Thu, June 14, 2007 - 1:04 AMwhich dream?,, Chayyas I assume.
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Thu, June 14, 2007 - 7:49 AMOm Namo Narayana -
Yes was commenting that her dream was good - if she wants to know what
it represents she can ask about it.
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Thu, June 14, 2007 - 8:13 AM> if she wants to know what it represents she can ask about it.
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Thu, June 14, 2007 - 9:21 PMSome of you may be wondering why I said this, so let me lay it out...
For Swami G to be able to reliably interpret Chhaya's dream, she'd need access to certain information. First off, she would need to have a good picture of Chhaya as a person, including a decent acquaintance with Chhaya's personal history. She would also have to be very familiar with Chhaya's local cultural context. A few visits to India would not constitute the depth of the knowledge Swami G would need. In short, Swami G would need a therapeutic history, or at the very least, a close friendship with Chhaya to truly be able to offer anything that could be considered valuable insight.
Dream language is as idiosyncratic as it is cultural. We have our own symbols for things much more than folks would like to believe. A house in my dream and a house in yours could mean two very different things, regardless of what Jung, Freud or any guru is going to tell you.
Any interpretation that the Swami makes is going to be much more about the Swami as a person rather than Chhaya. She'll be looking at Chhaya's dream through Swami G-tinted glasses. The best she can offer are her impressions of the dream, rather than some kind of straight-up interpretation and accurate reading of the meaning of the dream. That can still be helpful to Chhaya, but only as a reflection of opinion rather than any statements of fact concerning the dream.
But if you believe that the Swami has magic powers of divination, then all that I've just said is moot. If this is the actual case, then you *really* need God's help. -
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Thu, June 14, 2007 - 10:05 PMDo you have a crush on Swami G? I think you're flirting. -
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Thu, June 14, 2007 - 10:25 PM>>Dream language is as idiosyncratic as it is cultural. We have our own symbols for things much more than folks would like to believe. A house in my dream and a house in yours could mean two very different things, regardless of what Jung, Freud or any guru is going to tell you.
I agree wholeheartedly with this statement. our minds are so different and our experiences so subjective that psychotherapy in particular has, I believe, gone in the wrong direction in trying to tie universal symbolism to subjective experiences. The ocean may be considered to have certain objective symbolic meaning, but I am sure that say, a surfer and someone whose only experience with the ocean was almost drowning once would vary quite considerably in their meanings to the individuals concerned.
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Thu, June 14, 2007 - 10:30 PM> I think you're flirting.
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That gave me something to think about... there are boundary issues on my part for sure.
I'm of two minds concerning Swami G. One says to let her be and not get in the way of her business, which is primarily being a guru. But because she represents an approach that I feel is superstitious, antiquated and quite culturally inappropriate, a reaction occurs in me. It used to occur in the Swami just as voraciously. But she seems to have evolved since then, whereas perhaps I have not.
In any event, I respect her decision to not engage me. It seemingly renders her with more claim to the office of guru than I believed she had before. I still object to her authoritarian approach, but I'm going to try to evolve as well. In the end, it's really none of my business how the Swami presents herself. I'll make that my new affirmation and try to keep my nose out from under her robes. -
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Fri, June 15, 2007 - 3:04 AMWell, I would really like to hear Swami G's interpretation of my dream....I agree that one's own experiences might influence how one interprets stuff, but it would definitely give me a perspective....I do feel the dream has some significance and not the normal churnings of my brain as I remember this dream vividly, unlike my normal dreams, down to the girl's face and the look of the building etc.... -
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Tue, June 26, 2007 - 1:35 PMSwami G can you help me with a recurring dream I have been having? I am in India of course, in the Ganges, bathing. I see a beautiful woman floating by, face up. She looks at me and then sinks. I try to save her but she is already dead. I pull her dead body to the shore and see she is covered with ornaments, gold jewels.
I quickly remove her clothes to give her mouth to mouth but it is too late. I taste her cold dead lips and they seem to be saying, "Eat me.... Eat me!!!!!!!!!!!11".....
So I start to take a bite, this is a dream mind you. All of a sudden I wake up in a sweat every time. What could this dream mean? Am I really an aghori? If I eat this body will I become spiritual? I see the gold ornaments as so much useless trash, why can't I give up my attraction for this woman's dead body? Why does it taste so good? Is it really legal to do this stuff in India?
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Tue, June 26, 2007 - 1:42 PM>>Is it really legal to do this stuff in India?
What is your basic qualification ? and age, for me to use the right language !!
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Tue, June 26, 2007 - 1:53 PMRaj,
you come to the Aghor tribe and are calling me sad for wanting to follow this great tradition of earing dead people? My only qualification is that I am very attached to the female form. I am kinda young but very mature for my age. -
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Tue, June 26, 2007 - 2:28 PMomg i've had that same dream!!! i've never heard of anyone else having yet besides me, peculiar. my guess is, we really are aghoris is we're having this recurring dream. anyone who has a taste for the human flesh has got to be of the aghori line, so therefore, aghori for sure.
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Tue, June 26, 2007 - 2:31 PMno erkel, unfortunately we cannot become spiritual by eating of the flesh of humans or animals. the sad truth is, if we actually were to eat of the flesh in our waking state, we would then have to come back, in another life, in the body of the one we were grinding upon and then, that guy would have to eat us. sad but true, sad but true. -
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Tue, June 26, 2007 - 6:06 PMdoes this mean we have to come back as farm animals and get raised on a farm farmed and eaten if we are eating meat? how many times? it is good to know that pigs only live 170 days total before they are eaten! but then if I eat pork I could come back many times as a pig? if I eat the cheese do I come back as a dairy cow? they live 5 years! how about eggs will I come back as a hen in a chicken coop?
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Tue, June 26, 2007 - 6:07 PM> sad but true.
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It's sad that you think this is true. It's something you'd expect a 3-year-old to tell you. -
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Tue, June 26, 2007 - 8:59 PMthe only human being I've ever partaken of I'd be honored to be eaten by in a future life. -
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Tue, June 26, 2007 - 9:29 PMReally. It's only meat once you're dead.
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Tue, June 26, 2007 - 9:28 PMIf you eating a person or animal reqiured you to come back as the body you ate and be eaten by the one you ate, this would result in a never ending cycle between the two eating each other, if I eat a pig and am born as a pig and the pig is born as a human, we'd have no memory of the past life event and a new karmic debt would be made, and this would go on forever. -
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Tue, June 26, 2007 - 9:31 PMwhich would be why people would argue for vegetarianism. I'm not one of those people however.
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Wed, June 27, 2007 - 7:13 AMDear erkel108,
Addressing you like a computer name itself is a difficult beginning for me but still, as these days people are more comfortable to be what they are not, I was sad about the fact that Aghora is misunderstood so badly all over the world. Ahgora means – aa+ghora – ‘which is not’+ ghora (hard/tough/rough/harsh/dangerous). Or more appropriately ‘people of light’. Now you tell me eating human flesh is a means to reach such a state ? No it is not.
Your mind has to reduce the ego to such a level that attachment to the worldly affairs disappear and human flesh and any other normal food appear (be) same for you. Your mind has to liberate itself first and reach a state of thuryatheetha (beyond the extreme) to start thinking of being an Aghora. Aghora is not a path that you follow or a sect that you get initiated to but is something that you grow yourself in to. A fun fact is people who attain the state of thuryatheetha or aghora is not aware of their progress and never know that they are aghora. So how can an aghora ever initiate another person ? Got it ? And if a person unknowingly reaches the state of aghora how can he/she show that path to another person ? Got it ? So that’s the end of Aghora story.
Now, if you have dreams and desires to eat human flesh its time you discuss these with a physician or a qualified/experienced doctor for guidance/correction. My personal comment: leave it or take it. I am fine either way.
Having pure form of Bhakthi itself is such a great thing that you posses. You should explore further in that direction which surely will lead you to great progress and bring you close to him who is pure love.
I wish you all the best with that.
I want to share two verses of Tamil here,
Thayalam anayavoor thanthaye – A father who hugs with the love of a mother
This was said about Lord Shiva :)
Thannon perukathukku
Than pirathu oon unpan
Enganam aalum arul ?
To increase once own flesh,
If a person consume the flesh of another living being
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Thu, October 4, 2007 - 12:45 PMI agree fully Raj . Many people view the right hand path and left hand path as two separate paths.
The left hand path is only given after one has attained a great deal of proficiency in the right handed one.
And yes the Law of Karma is firm , to the question of a never ending cycle you have to factor in Free will which is present but in the feedback loop you will have access to it only when your vasanas are rid of it.
Extreme measures are only advocated for a select few to rise above from the Level of Pashus.
If flesh eating ,drinking ,promiscuity and weed could liberate a person half of the world would be liberated by now.
It is not the act that is important , the mind is what counts ...to keep ones mind on shiva during intercourse is unimaginably difficult ...then what to say of other activities which are only prescribed for a rare few at only certain times in life.
Please read Svoboda's Aghora law of karma to find out if you kill a pig , do you have to be reborn as a pig .
The answer is a resounding yes ,whether you choose to beleive it or not .
Aghora is not a gateway to perverse expression of one's desires. It never was ,it also is not a supression of desires ,it should take you higher not lower .
My two cents
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Fri, November 9, 2007 - 10:47 PMthis might sound like a joke but im being serious. i had a dream not too long ago where i farted while in a room with my guru it was really embarassing to me and a big deal but she didnt seem to think it a big deal, does anyone have any insight in to what this could symbolize? thanks.
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Re: Aghor Dream
Sat, December 15, 2007 - 8:33 PM
this may be true according the western view of reality.. but not according to tantra, where there is much more than the socio-cultural background.. but even according the western view we must agree there are universal symbols: water, sun, vagina, death.. there may be different perceptions about these of course but that doesn't change the reality of what the symbol points to and i feel this has much to do with what tantra or part of its mechanisms are about. water is water everywhere.
on the other side, if you believe in the supernatural (and there is no point being on a tantra tribe if you dont) when there is activity in the sushuma there are dreams that escape the socio-cultural background.. i have had that experience, ie dreaming on a particular type of shrine to a deity and later finding it exists identically somewhere.
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Sat, December 15, 2007 - 8:42 PM> there is no point being on a tantra tribe if you dont
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Not if you regard transgression as the main engine in tantra, leaving the superstition not much more than common country folklore.
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Re: Aghor Dream
Tue, January 15, 2008 - 10:19 PMDear Jody. The dream is very good. Leave all the speculation of ignorance behind. The dream is big and has absolutely nothing to do with eating human flesh. It is a dream of the leaving of body identification behind and establishing a seat of Shakti.
trialingeswaranatha
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Re: Aghor Dream
Fri, December 28, 2007 - 9:01 AMWe should be attentive about the valuation of our dreams. If it occured at brahmamuhurta may be it's an important dream and it comes probably from the causal body. But very often dreams are just stuff from superficial layers of mind. We all know the mind loves to play about.
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Re: Aghor Dream
Wed, January 30, 2008 - 12:38 AMMay I suggest an excellent book on dreams, dream work and sleep:
title: The Tibetan Yogas Of Dream And Sleep
author: Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche
Amazon URL: www.amazon.com/Tibetan-Yo...1559391014/
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Re: Aghor Dream
Tue, March 18, 2008 - 5:01 AM
I a victim of black magic and searching a genuine tantrik. Please provide me the details of any Aghor Tantrik which you know.
