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Hello everyone. In this post, I'm posting THE THREE IMPORTANT SIDDHIS OF LORD KRISHNA. They are KARTUM, AKARTUM, ANYATHAKARTUM.
Kartum: that which is difficult to do but is doable, which refers to Krishna's mastery over the mundane world.
Akartum: that which is impossible for ordinary beings, which refers to Hi ascendancy in the spiritual world.
Anyathakartum: that which, being beyond both the spiritual and the mundane, is inconceivable to humans. Anyathakartum refers to the astral world, the world of the mind, of subjective reality. These three siddhis gave Lord Krishna unlimited power in al three realms: mundane, spiritual and astral. Prakriti Siddhi is in the realm of Anyathakartum, that which is not only impossible but also unimaginable. Prakriti Siddhi is the ability to change the innate nature of any part of the Universal Prakriti, which means the ability to alter the consciousness of any being in the universe.
JAI SRI RAM
JAI HANUMAN
Kartum: that which is difficult to do but is doable, which refers to Krishna's mastery over the mundane world.
Akartum: that which is impossible for ordinary beings, which refers to Hi ascendancy in the spiritual world.
Anyathakartum: that which, being beyond both the spiritual and the mundane, is inconceivable to humans. Anyathakartum refers to the astral world, the world of the mind, of subjective reality. These three siddhis gave Lord Krishna unlimited power in al three realms: mundane, spiritual and astral. Prakriti Siddhi is in the realm of Anyathakartum, that which is not only impossible but also unimaginable. Prakriti Siddhi is the ability to change the innate nature of any part of the Universal Prakriti, which means the ability to alter the consciousness of any being in the universe.
JAI SRI RAM
JAI HANUMAN
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Re: THE THREE IMPORTANT SIDDHIS OF LORD KRISHNA
Sat, July 5, 2008 - 10:24 AMWhere is the aghora in this? -
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Re: THE THREE IMPORTANT SIDDHIS OF LORD KRISHNA
Sat, July 5, 2008 - 1:58 PMPerhaps in not being afraid to post that stuff where it isn't appropriate? ¦¬) -
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Sat, July 5, 2008 - 2:43 PM> ¦¬)
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Heh. Yeah. Good point.
However... that still doesn't make the content pertinent to the subject, imoo*.
* in my obnoxious opinion -
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Re: THE THREE IMPORTANT SIDDHIS OF LORD KRISHNA
Sat, July 5, 2008 - 5:00 PMAnyathakartum? Prakriti siddhi, seems very much the province of Aghora. -
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Re: THE THREE IMPORTANT SIDDHIS OF LORD KRISHNA
Sat, July 5, 2008 - 5:33 PM> seems very much the province of Aghora.
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Sure, in the same way a Jules Verne novel can be seen to be somewhere in the province of science. -
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Re: THE THREE IMPORTANT SIDDHIS OF LORD KRISHNA
Sat, July 5, 2008 - 5:47 PMThere is no orthodoxy in Aghora, there is affinity. -
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Re: THE THREE IMPORTANT SIDDHIS OF LORD KRISHNA
Sat, July 5, 2008 - 11:32 PM> There is no orthodoxy in Aghora, there is affinity.
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That's a great way of framing it.
I guess I'm trying to say that siddhi talk is siddhi talk. It seems that a lot of folks like to talk about siddhis, and some may practice hard to get them, but all the talking and getting doesn't ever seem to result in anything demonstrable.
Sure, there are the stories of them happening, but these are at best, secondhand, and more commonly little more than the Tantric equivalent of an urban myth. -
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Sun, July 6, 2008 - 6:58 AMI agree with you. From a speculative point of view...it's interesting though. This culmination of Siddhis, finally the last one anyathakartum - inconceivable. But that is the paradox: we can only touch it verbally, by negating it.
Prakriti Siddhi and Aghora seem to go hand in hand: that is... Aghora is by definition a path that aims for the that which is beyond even the impossible. As with all experiences transcending consensus-reality - there is only one way to find out. Still... perhaps others will be so inclined to describe it from their own experience? -
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Re: THE THREE IMPORTANT SIDDHIS OF LORD KRISHNA
Sun, July 6, 2008 - 9:50 AM> Still... perhaps others will be so inclined to describe it from their own experience?
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To which I've got to say: "Where's the beef?"
In other words, it remains the province of myth because, imo, it IS myth. And with the acceptance of a myth as some kind of historical fact/characteristic-of-knowledge comes a problem, occlusion of nondual truth. If I believe that self-realization comes with magic powers, how will I be able to recognize nondual truth as it already exists within if it's not accompanied by those powers? I've been lucky to encounter a few folks who've come to understand nondual truth as it exists within, and not a single one claims any special powers for themselves as a result. This leads me to believe that siddhis are legend based in myth rather than fact, and that the pursuit of them is like a search for the Holy Grail. Many believe it exists, but nobody has found it yet, making any searching for it likely to fail if you take history into account.
Aghora can be used to pursue siddhis, and it can be used to pursue self-realization. Many find these to be the same thing, unfortunately at the peril of their own nondual understanding, imo. -
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Re: THE THREE IMPORTANT SIDDHIS OF LORD KRISHNA
Sun, July 6, 2008 - 10:36 AMBut then this discussion should be continued in the philosophy tribe. It's very simple: It's just a matter of Belief. You cannot claim to know that it is myth, as you have to suspend your belief or disbelief in the matter until you can confirm or deny the possiblity of something that is inconceivable in the first place.
I do not pretend to understand who or what Lord Krishna is. Who am I to question the nature of God's omnipotence? We are in the Aghora tribe, where intellect can come in handy, but why walk if you can fly? I have always been an empiricist: I don't believe anything unless I experience it directly. Our power to sense phenomena through our mind should not be discounted, though. Some things seem natural and true, even if we cannot experience them as unrealized humans. As for Siddhis? If you want to see some, why not go to India and ask (humbly) for a demonstration? ;) -
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Sun, July 6, 2008 - 11:28 AM> why not go to India and ask (humbly) for a demonstration?
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Somebody already did:
guruphiliac.blogspot.com/2008/...s.html -
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Re: THE THREE IMPORTANT SIDDHIS OF LORD KRISHNA
Sun, July 6, 2008 - 12:12 PMDo you honestly believe that a Siddha would demonstrate his abilities on tv? Anyway...it doesn't really matter, does it? You seem to have made up your mind allready... I agree with you that realization does not need magic to confirm it's inherent power and truth - a tendency of some that will ultimatly lead to lazyness and misguided religious sentiments. Still, I find it odd how a lot of people, fascinated by sadhana, cling to a consensual view of reality. Oh, well... -
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Sun, July 6, 2008 - 6:19 PM> I find it odd how a lot of people, fascinated by sadhana, cling to a consensual view of reality
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Re: THE THREE IMPORTANT SIDDHIS OF LORD KRISHNA
Mon, July 7, 2008 - 3:44 AMYou are right...not always...but consensus seems to presuppose compromise in many ways, becoming so universal and abstract that almost everybody can agree with it. Aghora and the notion of Anyathakartum seem to be anti-thetical to just that sentiment... -
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Mon, July 7, 2008 - 9:56 AM> Aghora and the notion of Anyathakartum seem to be anti-thetical to just that sentiment...
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To my mind, aghora is antithetical to a consensus of the appropriateness of methods and techniques in sadhana, moreso than our agreement (or disagreement) about the characteristics of the world at large.
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