What are you listening to next?

topic posted Mon, February 25, 2008 - 6:08 PM by 
What are you listening to now is, probably, stuff you already know about and have heard before. What's next on your list that you don't know about but want to explore? It may end up in the next best thing since sliced piano concerto pile, or the I'm throwing it out with the garbage pile, but you just don't know yet.

Mine:
Buckethead
Gamelan (Java/Bali)
Tipper
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  • Re: What are you listening to next?

    Tue, March 4, 2008 - 8:55 PM
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      Tue, March 4, 2008 - 10:51 PM
      ooooh I look over there and see that "Statement" by Test Dept. is up.... I may break something.... that song does it to me..... GRRRRR
      • Re: What are you listening to next?

        Tue, March 4, 2008 - 10:54 PM
        Aw shit I totally didn't see the rules, really.

        My two newest loves are Efterklang and Pentaphobe. After that, I don't care. Something. I need to get some more Marty Robbins; ;not that Gunfighter Ballads ever gets old but I know there's a range of his work I'm not benefiting from.

        HEY torroid, if you send me an addy or upload link I can hook you up with tons of gamelan. I teach it, so I've got an assload. Of gamelan, that is. Java = stately / ceremonial / celestial; Bali = fiery / percussive / feral
        • Re: What are you listening to next?

          Tue, March 4, 2008 - 10:57 PM
          I LIKE GAMELAN TOO!
          • Re: What are you listening to next?

            Tue, March 4, 2008 - 11:51 PM
            I've just realized that emailing these files was a huge mistake.

            Anybody got a site I can upload folders of big mp3s on? I mean: big. My gamelan collection is ridiculous. For awhile there I was getting into it like crack: "oh god I don't have this - oh god I only have three versions of this - oh god this orchestra's version is like, like, nuanced and so..."

            it's pretty severe. The files are all high quality too (big).

            OK, yeah, fuck that: one of the emails to torroid just crapped - after I attached many files to it. UGH.

            So yeah: I will 100% totally share this stuff with you: some of it is meant to teach how to play / demonstrate a technique or compositional pattern, and those are kind of the smaller files (most are about 18 s long).

            The good stuff is around 20M - 75M per file. I'd love to do this for y'all though. Gamelan is a source of deep joy and weekly yum yum for me.

            (My gamelan's full name is Gamelan Atlanta Pipoung Hungryflower)

            I've got a killer ftp app..... any suggestions for an upload? My little site won't hold even 1 of these files.
            • Re: What are you listening to next?

              Wed, March 5, 2008 - 1:43 AM
              I had an idea:

              on ning.com you can make a little music player and embed it - I could do that with an all-gamelan lineup and put it up pretty much anywhere....

              gimme a bit; it's fucking 15 to 5am here and I've been on this fucker for hours
            • Re: What are you listening to next?

              Wed, March 5, 2008 - 7:43 AM
              > Anybody got a site I can upload folders of big mp3s on? I mean: big. My gamelan collection is ridiculous. For awhile there I was getting into it like crack: "oh god I don't have this - oh god I only have three versions of this - oh god this orchestra's version is like, like, nuanced and so..."

              Usually it's jazz types that get this feverish. You a jazz re-tread? (I was going to type "retread", but I'm sensitive to "R"s now, and that could have come out as "retard". Someone missed an "R" in another tribe and the conversation took a left turn. So that's "re-tread". Or safer yet "You are former jazz musician?")
              • Re: What are you listening to next?

                Wed, March 5, 2008 - 2:06 PM
                I was in a group once that had some jazzers in it; I learned at least to stop *hating* jazz, and to appreciate Coltrane, Monk, Mingus. I can understand Miles Davis' appeal but I can't participate in it.

                At the same time, if one were to erase all of the *sound* of jazz, jazz theory, in itself, is an important and elucidating thing to study.

                I resemble a jazzer in some ways, in the will to improv or ornament melodic approaches, that sort of thing, but really, I'm a deranged classicist / obsessive composer.

                Gamelan has been my "jazz" since I was about 16. I heard a javanese ensemble while on acid, and that was that. Mongolian, Sumatran, and Vietnamese gamelan are relatively obscure, still, here - the Smithsonian has the best collection of obscurities I've found so far.
                • Re: What are you listening to next?

                  Wed, March 5, 2008 - 2:20 PM
                  > I heard a javanese ensemble while on acid, and that was that.

                  You, or the ensemble? Nyuk, nyuk.

                  > Mongolian, Sumatran, and Vietnamese gamelan are relatively obscure, still, here - the Smithsonian has the best collection of obscurities I've found so far.

                  Both within and outside of gamelan. Nyuk, nyuk.


                  Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you very much. Lokifreign and I will be here all week.
            • Re: What are you listening to next?

              Wed, March 5, 2008 - 7:46 AM
              This is cool stuff! But I'm pretty sure I don't yet have the ear to hear it all. (Like basketball for me. I go to games, sit and watch the same thing my friends watch, and listen to them chatter about the action ... and it's as if we aren't even watching the same sport.) I think first I need to separate out a) the melodies, b) the different instruments, and c) the fact that the whole ensemble "vibrates".

              But ... cool stuff.
              • Re: What are you listening to next?

                Wed, March 5, 2008 - 2:23 PM
                The email that crapped out had a lot of the educational material on it, but it would still be hard, without the tablature and notation and some explanatory text, to figure out what's happening.

                I teach gamelan once a week to a small group; I've found that the best way for me to help people learn is to ignore all mention of "theory" per se, and simply teach the patterns. The brain of the western musician strongly resists gamelan theory, because it is literally upside down and sideways from the theory we're taught (on every level), so focusing simply on what each instrument is to produce seems a good way to head off any conscious complaint (or "helpful suggestions" (arrrrgh) that trained western musicians feel it necessary to make) that might be provoked.

                Basically:

                • the essential gamelan substrate involves multiple instruments - rather than a single soloist or virtuoso - creating a rhythmic and/or melodic line by uusing interlocking patterns that, when combined, create the whole. This is the 'bedrock' on which ensemble gamelan is based, and upon which a soloist / virtuoso builds when playing with an ensemble.

                • the tuning of gamelan instruments involves microtonal variation to create what I usually refer to as "shimmer". There are several different traditional scales used in gamelan (pandro, selesir, pelog, &c); a gamelan will usually incorporate very subtle microtonal variations of pitch between instruments to create a kind of "third harmony" - the same technique is used in (for instance) the vocal techniques of Bulgarian choral music (remember Les Mystere de Voix Bulgare?), and the tuning of strings in turqish / egyptian / arabic music.

                • there is a great deal of communication going on between players in a gamelan (especially the Balinese forms / derivations); each player is taking cues from someone - the basic tempo is informed by the kejar (both an instrument and a designation (means "teacher")), the kejar listens for cues from the lead drummer, and most (Balinese) pieces involve a kind of open-endedness in which the song will proceed and change movements according to cues that the lead drummer gives (or sometimes a vocal cue from the kejar or other performer).


                Tra la. I'd start a tribe but there's some weird cross-continental politics going on, there. Americans are funny and touchy about it, which is silly in my opinion as every master I've studied with assures me that gamelan is "for you to take, and to play, and to make, freely" but Americans are uptight about it - the sort that get into gamelan, anyway - on some kind of purist "cultural appropriation" tip, which I can understand but not really respect.
                • Re: What are you listening to next?

                  Wed, March 5, 2008 - 4:14 PM
                  please recommend some excellent gamelan cd's, if you will. i love this music, but don't know much about it.
                  it enchants me and entrances me. . .
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                    Re: What are you listening to next?

                    Wed, March 5, 2008 - 6:14 PM
                    Right offhand I suggest:

                    • the Music of KRT Wasitodiningrat (this guy is known as "Pak Chokro" and loved world round as the living master of javanese gamelan. I learned balinese theory / tech from one of his students and a little bit of Javanese scales / arrangement from his daughter)

                    • Javanese Court Gamelan (possibly the most psychedelic collection I've ever encountered in any genre)

                    • Bali (an excellent sample of many different Balinese styles, recorded by David Lewiston)

                    • the Music of Bali - Tirta Sari - Legong Gamelan

                    • Gamelan Semar Pagulingan from Besang-Ababi/Karangasem (or any other album of this gamelan's work - highly classical, extremely well recorded, exemplary of the best of balinese gamelan)

                    • Barong and Keris Dance (explosive, high energy, encapsulates the modern Hindu use of formerly "primitive" or "Indonesian pagan" gamelan and vocal traditions)

                    • Sulawesi: Festivals, Funerals, and Work (basically, anything from Smithsonian Folkways Recordings)