What are you listening to now is, probably, stuff you already know about and have heard before. What's next on your list that you don't know about but want to explore? It may end up in the next best thing since sliced piano concerto pile, or the I'm throwing it out with the garbage pile, but you just don't know yet.
Mine:
Buckethead
Gamelan (Java/Bali)
Tipper
Mine:
Buckethead
Gamelan (Java/Bali)
Tipper
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Re: What are you listening to next?
Mon, February 25, 2008 - 6:25 PMthose all rock. i know from experience. in my "to do" list of music is the new The Mars Volta album, and hopefully i'll make it to this year's Coachella music festival, to see Roger Waters perform The Dark Side of the Moon in its entirety for the first time in a long while. the rest of the Coachella lineup can be found in my photo album. i'm also looking forward to the soundtrack to the game Starcraft II, which i think will be out by the end of the year. the company that is making it, Blizzard, always comes up with excellent soundtracks. i also want to check out Cat Power's music, and some of the other new female artists' work.
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Mon, February 25, 2008 - 7:01 PMpersonally I am in suspense. this is an exciting life. . .never knowing what i will listen to next.
I know that some couldn't stand the uncertainty, the unpredictability, but I thrive on it.
and i know the dj at the jazz station loves it. . .surprising me like this!
that's why I do it. . .I do it for her!!! -
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Mon, February 25, 2008 - 7:50 PMI'm in dire need of new music. I'm pretty open minded - the only genres I don't care for are country/western and jazz. -
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Mon, February 25, 2008 - 8:23 PMYou didn't list opera in your Not List. Is there an issue we need to discuss here? -
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Mon, February 25, 2008 - 8:31 PM>You didn't list opera in your Not List. Is there an issue we need to discuss here?
That's right, I forgot about opera. I dislike it so much that even the word 'opera' just evaporates from my brain.
Did I write about my dislike of opera some place? I must have.... I just can't remember. :D -
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Mon, February 25, 2008 - 9:14 PMYes, I'm with you. Let's not mention the O name again, unless it's performed by Monty Python or Peter Schickele. youtube.com/watch -
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Mon, February 25, 2008 - 10:06 PMDo you like the Talking Heads? Throwing Muses? XTC?
Remain in Light, Speaking in Tongues are great
House Tornado, University also, and
Skylarking, Oranges and Lemons and English Settlement. . .
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Mon, February 25, 2008 - 10:14 PMYes, no, yes.
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Mon, February 25, 2008 - 10:18 PMHere's some Emotional Joystick for you guys, it may be new to you... likely the first experimental electronica I ever heard:
Thomas Wincek is an instrumentalist by choice, and a computer operator out of necessity. His primary interest lies in the intersection of organic and electronic means of making sound. He has studied sound, sound composition and improvisation with Nicolas Collins, John Corbett and Rob Drinkwater. As the main force behind the experimental electronic dance act Emotional Joystick, he has worked at integrating the tenants of improvisation and sonic exploration into the rubric of contemporary dance music.
www.youtube.com/watch
www.youtube.com/watch
www.last.fm/music/Emotional+Joystick
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Mon, February 25, 2008 - 10:27 PMCould have done without the first video, although it reminded me of a cross between Pleasantville and Geri's Game.
The music is interesting. Is it just me, or does it sound in both of the tracks as if the percussion keeps going off tempo? -
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Mon, February 25, 2008 - 10:32 PMi dunno :)
i recommend giving it another listen... and yeah, that video... err.... i wasn't posting it for the video lol...
here comes some Royksopp:
Eple: www.youtube.com/watch
Remind me: www.youtube.com/watch
Poor Leno: www.youtube.com/watch -
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Mon, February 25, 2008 - 10:34 PMand speaking of new music... i just signed up on last.fm
seems like a solid layout, every song you play gets logged so you can browse back through later -
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Mon, February 25, 2008 - 10:49 PMthat royskop video #1 was pretty trippy. . . -
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Mon, February 25, 2008 - 10:53 PMRoyksopp - What Else Is There? www.youtube.com/watch -
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Mon, February 25, 2008 - 11:22 PMI suppose all of these fit here in a way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Songs about Tomorrow and the Future:
Avril Lavigne - Tomorrow www.youtube.com/watch
Annie - Tomorrow www.youtube.com/watch
Tokyo Police Club feat. Kermit - Citizens of Tomorrow www.youtube.com/watch
Infected Mushroom - Cities of the Future www.youtube.com/watch
Cut Copy - Future www.youtube.com/watch
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Tue, February 26, 2008 - 12:05 AM>>to see Roger Waters perform The Dark Side of the Moon in its entirety for the first time in a long while.<<
Yes, this is worth seeing (hearing). I saw Roger Waters in do this last summer in Oakland. It was incredible and amazing. I loved it. -
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Tue, February 26, 2008 - 12:19 AMdo you know what group he did it with? -
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Tue, February 26, 2008 - 12:25 AMNo. They just called the concert Roger Waters. But those he had playing with him were very good. It sounded every bit as good as the record. And much more powerful than any listening of the record or cd as it was delivered live.
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Tue, February 26, 2008 - 2:27 AM> the rest of the Coachella lineup can be found in my photo album
Looked up stuff, and found the following:
NO Professional Cameras
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Wed, February 27, 2008 - 11:48 AM"Noah's Ark" - cocorosie (I had to click ahead and then back again to figure it out, on account o' the "shuffle")
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Thu, February 28, 2008 - 5:23 PMI noticed that Roger Waters is playing Denver something like a week after Coachella. They have real toilets and showers in Denver. I know; I've been there. -
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Sat, March 1, 2008 - 2:39 AMthey have real showers at coachella in the camping area, and since when is a porta-potty not a real toilet?
and is it only roger waters' act in denver? what about all the rest of the bands and acts and art installments that are at coachella? -
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Tue, March 4, 2008 - 8:57 PM> what about all the rest of the bands and acts and art installments that are at coachella?
What about them? -
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Tue, March 4, 2008 - 8:58 PMThey won't be in Denver. There are a lot of incredible acts who will be there. -
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Tue, March 4, 2008 - 9:10 PM> They won't be in Denver.
Exactly.
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Tue, March 4, 2008 - 9:11 PMI'm just yanking your chain there, Stickboy. :-)
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Tue, March 4, 2008 - 10:51 PMooooh I look over there and see that "Statement" by Test Dept. is up.... I may break something.... that song does it to me..... GRRRRR -
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Tue, March 4, 2008 - 10:54 PMAw shit I totally didn't see the rules, really.
My two newest loves are Efterklang and Pentaphobe. After that, I don't care. Something. I need to get some more Marty Robbins; ;not that Gunfighter Ballads ever gets old but I know there's a range of his work I'm not benefiting from.
HEY torroid, if you send me an addy or upload link I can hook you up with tons of gamelan. I teach it, so I've got an assload. Of gamelan, that is. Java = stately / ceremonial / celestial; Bali = fiery / percussive / feral -
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Tue, March 4, 2008 - 10:57 PMI LIKE GAMELAN TOO! -
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Tue, March 4, 2008 - 11:51 PMI've just realized that emailing these files was a huge mistake.
Anybody got a site I can upload folders of big mp3s on? I mean: big. My gamelan collection is ridiculous. For awhile there I was getting into it like crack: "oh god I don't have this - oh god I only have three versions of this - oh god this orchestra's version is like, like, nuanced and so..."
it's pretty severe. The files are all high quality too (big).
OK, yeah, fuck that: one of the emails to torroid just crapped - after I attached many files to it. UGH.
So yeah: I will 100% totally share this stuff with you: some of it is meant to teach how to play / demonstrate a technique or compositional pattern, and those are kind of the smaller files (most are about 18 s long).
The good stuff is around 20M - 75M per file. I'd love to do this for y'all though. Gamelan is a source of deep joy and weekly yum yum for me.
(My gamelan's full name is Gamelan Atlanta Pipoung Hungryflower)
I've got a killer ftp app..... any suggestions for an upload? My little site won't hold even 1 of these files. -
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Wed, March 5, 2008 - 1:43 AMI had an idea:
on ning.com you can make a little music player and embed it - I could do that with an all-gamelan lineup and put it up pretty much anywhere....
gimme a bit; it's fucking 15 to 5am here and I've been on this fucker for hours
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Wed, March 5, 2008 - 5:47 AMGot 2 emails, imported 3 tracks, listening ...
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Wed, March 5, 2008 - 7:43 AM> Anybody got a site I can upload folders of big mp3s on? I mean: big. My gamelan collection is ridiculous. For awhile there I was getting into it like crack: "oh god I don't have this - oh god I only have three versions of this - oh god this orchestra's version is like, like, nuanced and so..."
Usually it's jazz types that get this feverish. You a jazz re-tread? (I was going to type "retread", but I'm sensitive to "R"s now, and that could have come out as "retard". Someone missed an "R" in another tribe and the conversation took a left turn. So that's "re-tread". Or safer yet "You are former jazz musician?") -
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Wed, March 5, 2008 - 2:06 PMI was in a group once that had some jazzers in it; I learned at least to stop *hating* jazz, and to appreciate Coltrane, Monk, Mingus. I can understand Miles Davis' appeal but I can't participate in it.
At the same time, if one were to erase all of the *sound* of jazz, jazz theory, in itself, is an important and elucidating thing to study.
I resemble a jazzer in some ways, in the will to improv or ornament melodic approaches, that sort of thing, but really, I'm a deranged classicist / obsessive composer.
Gamelan has been my "jazz" since I was about 16. I heard a javanese ensemble while on acid, and that was that. Mongolian, Sumatran, and Vietnamese gamelan are relatively obscure, still, here - the Smithsonian has the best collection of obscurities I've found so far. -
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Wed, March 5, 2008 - 2:20 PM> I heard a javanese ensemble while on acid, and that was that.
You, or the ensemble? Nyuk, nyuk.
> Mongolian, Sumatran, and Vietnamese gamelan are relatively obscure, still, here - the Smithsonian has the best collection of obscurities I've found so far.
Both within and outside of gamelan. Nyuk, nyuk.
Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you very much. Lokifreign and I will be here all week.
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Wed, March 5, 2008 - 7:46 AMThis is cool stuff! But I'm pretty sure I don't yet have the ear to hear it all. (Like basketball for me. I go to games, sit and watch the same thing my friends watch, and listen to them chatter about the action ... and it's as if we aren't even watching the same sport.) I think first I need to separate out a) the melodies, b) the different instruments, and c) the fact that the whole ensemble "vibrates".
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Wed, March 5, 2008 - 2:23 PMThe email that crapped out had a lot of the educational material on it, but it would still be hard, without the tablature and notation and some explanatory text, to figure out what's happening.
I teach gamelan once a week to a small group; I've found that the best way for me to help people learn is to ignore all mention of "theory" per se, and simply teach the patterns. The brain of the western musician strongly resists gamelan theory, because it is literally upside down and sideways from the theory we're taught (on every level), so focusing simply on what each instrument is to produce seems a good way to head off any conscious complaint (or "helpful suggestions" (arrrrgh) that trained western musicians feel it necessary to make) that might be provoked.
Basically:
• the essential gamelan substrate involves multiple instruments - rather than a single soloist or virtuoso - creating a rhythmic and/or melodic line by uusing interlocking patterns that, when combined, create the whole. This is the 'bedrock' on which ensemble gamelan is based, and upon which a soloist / virtuoso builds when playing with an ensemble.
• the tuning of gamelan instruments involves microtonal variation to create what I usually refer to as "shimmer". There are several different traditional scales used in gamelan (pandro, selesir, pelog, &c); a gamelan will usually incorporate very subtle microtonal variations of pitch between instruments to create a kind of "third harmony" - the same technique is used in (for instance) the vocal techniques of Bulgarian choral music (remember Les Mystere de Voix Bulgare?), and the tuning of strings in turqish / egyptian / arabic music.
• there is a great deal of communication going on between players in a gamelan (especially the Balinese forms / derivations); each player is taking cues from someone - the basic tempo is informed by the kejar (both an instrument and a designation (means "teacher")), the kejar listens for cues from the lead drummer, and most (Balinese) pieces involve a kind of open-endedness in which the song will proceed and change movements according to cues that the lead drummer gives (or sometimes a vocal cue from the kejar or other performer).
Tra la. I'd start a tribe but there's some weird cross-continental politics going on, there. Americans are funny and touchy about it, which is silly in my opinion as every master I've studied with assures me that gamelan is "for you to take, and to play, and to make, freely" but Americans are uptight about it - the sort that get into gamelan, anyway - on some kind of purist "cultural appropriation" tip, which I can understand but not really respect. -
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Wed, March 5, 2008 - 4:14 PMplease recommend some excellent gamelan cd's, if you will. i love this music, but don't know much about it.
it enchants me and entrances me. . . -
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Re: What are you listening to next?
Wed, March 5, 2008 - 6:14 PMRight offhand I suggest:
• the Music of KRT Wasitodiningrat (this guy is known as "Pak Chokro" and loved world round as the living master of javanese gamelan. I learned balinese theory / tech from one of his students and a little bit of Javanese scales / arrangement from his daughter)
• Javanese Court Gamelan (possibly the most psychedelic collection I've ever encountered in any genre)
• Bali (an excellent sample of many different Balinese styles, recorded by David Lewiston)
• the Music of Bali - Tirta Sari - Legong Gamelan
• Gamelan Semar Pagulingan from Besang-Ababi/Karangasem (or any other album of this gamelan's work - highly classical, extremely well recorded, exemplary of the best of balinese gamelan)
• Barong and Keris Dance (explosive, high energy, encapsulates the modern Hindu use of formerly "primitive" or "Indonesian pagan" gamelan and vocal traditions)
• Sulawesi: Festivals, Funerals, and Work (basically, anything from Smithsonian Folkways Recordings) -
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Wed, March 5, 2008 - 6:19 PMAlmost forgot another serious favorite:
• Gamelan Peninggalan Semar Pitui - *reeeeeally* meditative; extremely soothing, the most satiny smooth and celestial Balinese gamelan I've heard
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Wed, March 5, 2008 - 12:58 AMThat Buckethead music video is killer.
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Wed, March 5, 2008 - 2:33 AMI was listening to The Moody Blues earlier Live in San Francisco. I know this is a change of mood here fr
