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Snorting a Brain Chemical Could Replace Sleep
www.wired.com/science/dis..._deprivation
A nasal spray of a key brain hormone cures sleepiness in sleep-deprived monkeys. With no apparent side effects, the hormone might be a promising sleep-replacement drug.
In what sounds like a dream for millions of tired coffee drinkers, Darpa-funded scientists might have found a drug that will eliminate sleepiness.
A nasal spray containing a naturally occurring brain hormone called orexin A reversed the effects of sleep deprivation in monkeys, allowing them to perform like well-rested monkeys on cognitive tests. The discovery's first application will probably be in treatment of the severe sleep disorder narcolepsy.
The treatment is "a totally new route for increasing arousal, and the new study shows it to be relatively benign," said Jerome Siegel, a professor of psychiatry at UCLA and a co-author of the paper. "It reduces sleepiness without causing edginess."
Orexin A is a promising candidate to become a "sleep replacement" drug. For decades, stimulants have been used to combat sleepiness, but they can be addictive and often have side effects, including raising blood pressure or causing mood swings. The military, for example, administers amphetamines to pilots flying long distances, and has funded research into new drugs like the stimulant modafinil (.pdf) and orexin A in an effort to help troops stay awake with the fewest side effects.
The monkeys were deprived of sleep for 30 to 36 hours and then given either orexin A or a saline placebo before taking standard cognitive tests. The monkeys given orexin A in a nasal spray scored about the same as alert monkeys, while the saline-control group was severely impaired.
The study, published in the Dec. 26 edition of The Journal of Neuroscience, found orexin A not only restored monkeys' cognitive abilities but made their brains look "awake" in PET scans.
Siegel said that orexin A is unique in that it only had an impact on sleepy monkeys, not alert ones, and that it is "specific in reversing the effects of sleepiness" without other impacts on the brain.
Such a product could be widely desired by the more than 70 percent of Americans who the National Sleep Foundation estimates get less than the generally recommended eight hours of sleep per night (.pdf).
The research follows the discovery by Siegel that the absence of orexin A appears to cause narcolepsy. That finding pointed to a major role for the peptide's absence in causing sleepiness. It stood to reason that if the deficit of orexin A makes people sleepy, adding it back into the brain would reduce the effects, said Siegel.
"What we've been doing so far is increasing arousal without dealing with the underlying problem," he said. "If the underlying deficit is a loss of orexin, and it clearly is, then the best treatment would be orexin."
Siegel said that Americans already recognize that sleepiness is a problem and have long treated it with a variety of stimulants.
"We have to realize that we are already living in a society where we are already self-medicating with caffeine," he said.
He also said that modafinil, which is marketed as Provigil by Cephalon and Alertec in Canada, has become widely used by healthy individuals for managing sleepiness.
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Re: Snorting a Brain Chemical Could Replace Sleep
Sun, January 6, 2008 - 1:34 PMbig pharma is going to love this one. . .i bet it decreases life span if used heavily. . . -
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Re: Snorting a Brain Chemical Could Replace Sleep
Sun, January 6, 2008 - 10:27 PM>>>>>>>>>>big pharma is going to love this one. . .i bet it decreases life span if used heavily. . .
I think this kind of thing would increase chances of heart attack. I have a hunch that this has been out for a while. I remembered that the air force used this on thier pilots. -
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Re: Snorting a Brain Chemical Could Replace Sleep
Sun, January 6, 2008 - 10:54 PMYeah, it's called speed. -
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Eugeroics?...
Mon, January 7, 2008 - 12:15 AM
yep, it's pretty much a 'new generation speed' (with completely different mechanism of action than methamphetamines, but pretty much the same effect) - those guys in DARPA don't f*ck around. scary stuff - see this link for example: Risky Business: Why DARPA Does What Medical Industry Won’t: docinthemachine.com/2006/12/...amedtech/
now, this is INTENSE: docinthemachine.com/2007/03/09/eugeroic/
New Drugs Enhance Performance, Eliminate Need to Sleep
Posted by Steven F. Palter, MD under Military, Future, Augmented Abilities, FDA, drugs, pharmaceuticals, DARPA
(here's some excerpts)
this stuff makes crank look like candy
The original version of these substances was the “time-shifting” drug, Modafinil that enables you to stay awake for 40+ hours with close to full mental capacity and with few side effects. (produced by Cephalon as PROVIGIL®, MODIODAL® in France and VIGIL® in Germany, for excessive sleepiness associated with narcolepsy and for “shift work sleep disorder” - hear that you medical interns?- web site advertises free 7 day trial supply).
This is precisely the substance the the former chief medical director of the olympic committee spoke to me of. He asked - once this stuff hits the street don’t you think a majority of college students would use it to perform better on exams? The military sure thinks its a god idea for soldiers and pilots.
The drug is a eugeroic and offers improved memory, mood enhancement, improved alertness and cognitive powers without any of the nasty side effects and mass murder of speed and crank.
What’s a Eugeroic you ask? - Literally the term means “Good Arousal” . They are a class of novel stimulants that produce long-lasting mental arousal. They are unique in producing hypervigilence and alertness without peripheral effects or addidition of usual stimulants. Strangely, they have minimal effect on sleep structure, and do not cause rebound hypersomnolence (crashing).
I hear there is a new super eugeroic called armodafinil coming down the pike with even more potent effects.
I predict these drugs have an abuse potential greater than any drug since alcohol.
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"Eugeroics", huh?... sounds like fun, doesn't it...
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Mon, January 7, 2008 - 1:42 AMARPA/DARPA = also responsible for the internet
hardest drug evar
and the pushers in this case are those who charge you to access it
they even advertise on tv
i'd like to see a free internet.... stealing wifi is a step in that direction.... in some cities you can even find free wifi by looking for new-fangled "hobo signs" -
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Re: Eugeroics?...
Mon, January 7, 2008 - 3:59 AMTell you the honest truth, I wouldn't mind trying the stuff during sex.
It should be one hell of an enhancement.
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Re: Snorting a Brain Chemical Could Replace Sleep
Sun, January 6, 2008 - 1:38 PMJust love the title--isn't it more appropriate to say "prevents" sleep?
Nothing can replace sleep that isn't go to eventually really fuck your body up.
Sleep is necessary to maintain health and heal body traumas.
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Sun, January 6, 2008 - 1:39 PMLOL
and "Siegel said that Americans already recognize that sleepiness is a problem and have long treated it with a variety of stimulants."
Isn't it that Americans suffer from sleeplesness? -
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Re: Snorting a Brain Chemical Could Replace Sleep
Sun, January 6, 2008 - 1:41 PMthis is wonderful. . .inventing problems to sell you more problems. . .
"our problem is the solution to all your other problems!"
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Mon, January 7, 2008 - 9:50 AM1) i predict that long-term use will seriously impact intelligence: a now-popular theory of why we dream suggests that the dream world allows us to practice real-life scenarios in the consequence-free environment of our minds, allowing us to 'train up' so that when we actually encounter these situations, we enter with some experience. while this wouldn't necessarily impact 'intelligence' in the sense of math aptitude test scores, it would have obvious impacts on intelligence in the more general sense of the word: i.e. daily competence.
2) i predict a prevalence of mood and cognitive disorders due to a radically distorted sense of time - events will blur into one another, memories will become disordered and confused, and people will experience a general temporal disorientation. this will result in a sense of rootlessness, depression, and possibly schizophrenia.
3) sexual relationships will be destablized. without a daily sleep schedule, there will be no regular oxytocin-induced bonding period because there will be no biological reason to cuddle for long periods of time - without this conditioning influence, emotional bonds will be seriously impacted. -
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Re: Snorting a Brain Chemical Could Replace Sheep. . .
Mon, January 7, 2008 - 1:29 PMdoes anyone really count them any more?? -
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Re: Snorting a Brain Chemical Could Replace Sheep. . .
Mon, January 7, 2008 - 2:11 PMI count my hours. I get 7 or 8 most every night. Lately I've had to wake up earlier than I used to. I'm naturally a late night person, but most days I have to wake up at 8 am now for work or classes. Some days I have to wake up at 4 am for work. I make sure I go to bed early enough to get at least 6 hours of sleep even on those 4am wake up times. But 6 hours is not really enough for me, I'm tired on those days.
Dreams are valuable experiences. And necessary for mental health, and it would appear from some of these articles, for physical health, too. -
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Tue, January 8, 2008 - 1:11 AMI do some of my best work on little sleep. Especially if I am writing music and have been doing it for hours.
If I have been working on the tune long enough, I just cant stop until I get to a point of it being finished in some way or form.
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Tue, January 8, 2008 - 1:24 AMSame for me with my visual art! No way to sleep until there is closure.
Creativity can often be explosive! Hard to sleep through the noise ;-) -
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Tue, January 8, 2008 - 1:33 AMTell you the hounest truth, I kinda do that with everything.
I was just doing that this weekend with a server I was building for a client of mine. A 16 camera setup with website and remote viewing and control.
I went a day and a half till it was done and in the testing/burn phase.
I do it with graphics also and programming.
Shit, now that I think of it, editing too.
WHAT'S WRONG WITH ME?
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Re: Snorting a Brain Chemical Could Replace Sheep. . .
Tue, January 8, 2008 - 1:36 AMthere are brain chemicals that can replace awake too! -
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Tue, January 8, 2008 - 1:41 AMis there no audio in that video? -
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Tue, January 8, 2008 - 1:52 AMha ha. . .no. you have to supply your own brain chemicals
i put this in because it is really eerie without sounds!! -
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Tue, January 8, 2008 - 2:03 AMLMFAO!
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Re: Snorting a Brain Chemical Could Replace Sheep. . .
Tue, January 8, 2008 - 2:05 AMShameless self promotion forthcoming ;-)
www.youtube.com/profile
I have about 15 up there presently, and post a lot here : tribes.tribe.net/earthart/photos
Check my profile for other stuff. All very obsessive in some way! -
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Tue, January 8, 2008 - 2:07 AMSegovia was so cool -
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Tue, January 8, 2008 - 2:14 AMThank You StickBoy. My faves are the Bajas and the Tantric Sphericity. Trying to find music for them.
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Tue, January 8, 2008 - 4:33 AMI like Tranceplant777. It's very creative, nicely done. -
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Tue, January 8, 2008 - 7:50 PMThank you Christie.This one was started a month ago and today competed with collaboration of my Tribe friend Ik
He had the voice samples and I added my artwork!
Possibly one of the cooler things I have created on my computer.
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Re: Snorting a Brain Chemical Could Replace Sheep. . .
Wed, January 9, 2008 - 3:02 AMIt's mesmerizing. And beautiful. The soundtrack is awesome. Watching this latest one in the fatigued state of mind I'm in at the moment almost puts me in an altered state...
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Tue, January 8, 2008 - 4:28 AMYes, bizarre seeing someone move like that without the music. Looks alien or something.
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Re: Snorting a Brain Chemical Could Replace Sleep
Tue, January 8, 2008 - 9:12 AMSure, almost everything does have some potential for abuse, but lets not be excessively concerned about abuse of orexin nasal spray. I think this reseach at UCLA is terrific. If the research continues to go relatively well, then it will become approved only for true narcoleptics (similarly to the med. Xyrem - hard to get unless one has functionally-disabling narcolepsy with cataplexy) I suppose there is some underground abuse still of sodium oxybate (Xyrem) but it is so expensive that few would chose to seek it out and abuse it. This med. (orexin) may allow currently non-working, disabled narcoleptics get back to productive life and hold a job. -
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Re: Snorting a Brain Chemical Could Replace Sleep
Tue, January 8, 2008 - 9:41 AMYou mean lazy people right?
Such a nice way to put it Louisa.
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Tue, January 8, 2008 - 3:30 PMLazy people...funny 'cause you're joking, I know.
But in all seriousness, Louisa is an expert in sleep disorders and the drugs being used for them, so if she says this drug is a good thing for narcoleptics, then that is what she means. -
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Re: Snorting a Brain Chemical Could Replace Sleep
Tue, January 8, 2008 - 6:49 PMHey, in that case, I'm narcoleptic.
Gimmie some a that stuff RIGHT NOW.
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!
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Re: Snorting a Brain Chemical Could Replace Sleep
Tue, January 8, 2008 - 2:21 AMKinda funny that while reading this thread I started brewing a pot of coffee... @ 2:21am.
I won't snort it, but it'll keep me up for a while. -
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Re: Snorting a Brain Chemical Could Replace Sleep
Tue, January 8, 2008 - 2:28 AMI'm turning in and catching up on my Zs...Enjoy the coffee buzz
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Re: Snorting a Brain Chemical Could Replace Sleep
Tue, January 8, 2008 - 7:38 AManother new drug...
www.aciphex.com/
for acid reflux... pronounced ass-effects.
that's what i call science.... -
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Re: Snorting a Brain Chemical Could Replace Sleep
Wed, January 9, 2008 - 7:41 PMSo I managed to go 33 hours with only coffee and a bit of sugar. I feel great after waking up, too.
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