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Pickens Plan Action Alert
"Contact Congress about The American Renewal and Reinvestment Act (H.R. 1) One version of H.R. 1 has passed the U.S. House of Representatives and now another has passed the Senate. Critical elements of the wind piece of the Pickens Plan are in one or both versions of the bill, which now goes to Conference to create a final version.
We need to make one final push on the stimulus package to ensure our pieces are included. Please fill in the following form to send your U.S. Senators and U.S. Representatives an email asking them to support the Pickens Plan components of the Stimulus Package. Even if you already emailed your Senators last week, please send an email again today to ensure your U.S. Representative also receives the message."
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"Contact Congress about The American Renewal and Reinvestment Act (H.R. 1) One version of H.R. 1 has passed the U.S. House of Representatives and now another has passed the Senate. Critical elements of the wind piece of the Pickens Plan are in one or both versions of the bill, which now goes to Conference to create a final version.
We need to make one final push on the stimulus package to ensure our pieces are included. Please fill in the following form to send your U.S. Senators and U.S. Representatives an email asking them to support the Pickens Plan components of the Stimulus Package. Even if you already emailed your Senators last week, please send an email again today to ensure your U.S. Representative also receives the message."
capwiz.com/pickensplan/issues/alert/
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Wed, February 11, 2009 - 7:38 PMI'm wary of the "Pickens Plan"; there are a few too many ulterior motives involved; i.e. the 'hydrogen economy' hype and all that.. -
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Wed, February 11, 2009 - 8:15 PMThe Pickens Plan has nothing to do with hydrogen. It's a plan that begins the process to get America off of foreign oil and to become energy independent by putting solar & wind technologies to good use. That's a good thing unless you're from Saudi Arabia. -
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Thu, February 12, 2009 - 5:30 PMPickens is more about natural gas than wind. Natural gas is not renewable and is not clean. The fact that it is cleaner than coal will not prevent climate change. A coal plant in northern Nevada was recently defeated, which is a good thing. The problem with it is, the compromise will run a big transmission line through wetlands and other sensitive wildlife habitat. There would be three wind farms and two concentrated solar thermal plants. The environmental footprint would be less from a climate perspective, but certianly not from a water use for the CSP plants and the bird/bat mortality from the windfarm. The punch line is, that three 1,000 MW natural gas plants will be built because no investors will touch a powerline that runs on wind, solar and geotehernal alone. The three combined natural gas plants would produce more greenhouse gas than the 1500 MW coal plant they will replace.
In fact, it makes no economic sense to transport power generated from wind thousands of miles through powerlines. Too much is lost. Pickins is not really about energy independence, he is about getting gullable people to invest in his empire. Building a new high-voltage transmission line diverts resources from the more important task of making the best use of the existing electrical network and integrating the new generation of decentralizing energy technologies.
Plus Pickens arrogant attitude about private property in the way of his power lines got this response: "Billionaire T. Boone Pickens, the country's most visible proponent of a national transmission system, bluntly told Congress a few months ago that he is "disconcerted that state public authorities ... are required to consider the benefits of the project to the citizens of their state." He worries that, "Where state utility commissions are limited by state law to considering benefits to citizens of their state, eminent-domain power may not be available to transmission developers wishing to cross the state without providing transmission service to local generators or local electricity users." He wants Congress to give the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission "exclusive jurisdiction" to site new transmission lines." Only a prick with too much $$$ would want federal athourity to take people's property away. Pickens is a joke. But he is a joke with a lot of money so he was anle to buy his way into the new administration.
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Thu, February 12, 2009 - 7:38 PM<<Pickins is not really about energy independence, he is about getting gullable people to invest in his empire.>>
That's rhetoric & propaganda not fact. The Pickens Plan *IS* about energy independence - natural gas is available right here in the US & can be used for semi transportation. Pickens goal is to eliminate foreign oil imports especially from countries that do not have America's best interests at heart - like Saudi Arabia. The Pickens Plan is just a start - but it is a start in the right direction. -
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Fri, February 13, 2009 - 11:26 AMIt won't happen. Just consider that there is no airplane that will run on anything but oil. A small but very good example of what T-Bone knows. Oil is the life blood of the world economy. And fossil fues are not something that politicians are going to try to replace.
Plus if T-bone were really serious about this, he would be looking into a decentralized solution. More or less all of the above. Energy independence will not happen without rooftop solar. It is a missed opportunity and it is being overlooked. Most of these overly rich fat-asses are more about taking the money and running than about the plan. Even if you support his plan, you have to consider that the above comments about property siezure are enough to stall this BS. There is no way he can disrespect the landscape like he wants to without taking private property anywhere east of the Rocky Mts. This plan can not work without a complex constry=ction of new and expansion od existing transmission lines. There will be farms, homes businesses, etc. etc, that will be in the path. For as many people who will willingly sell or lease their property, there will be just as many who will not. This will make a media feeding frenzy when it starts to happen.
T-bone is using his plan as a front for a billion dollar ground water selling plan in central Texas. He is a smart man,but if you think he is going to give us energy independence, you and I should talk about my swamp land he wants to put a power line over..., -
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Fri, February 13, 2009 - 2:41 PMNeo <<Just consider that there is no airplane that will run on anything but oil.>>
You don't appear to be the goto person for accurate information on this issue ... you desperately need to read this blog:
Algae: The Biofuel Revolution
"It was recently announced that a company in Florida called Green Flight International (GFI) has plans to construct a $100-million, algae biofuel plant aimed at making fuel for the aviation industry as well as for ground-based transportation.
GFI has also completed the world's first jet-aircraft flight powered by 100% biofuel. GFI president and CEO Douglas Rodante says that "algae-based biofuel would be able to replace petroleum without alterations to engines or infrastructure, and could be used for all sorts of transportation."
solargreenenergy.blogspot.com/200...html
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Sat, February 14, 2009 - 8:17 AMI have read this. Still in the planning stages, but interesting. \\ Still produces carbon, though...
Still does not really point out the flaws of T-boone's plan and does not really tell me that boone is not a scam artist. -
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Sat, February 14, 2009 - 8:37 AMWhile I agree that bio fuel is a good idea for clean fuel, I don't believe it is going to compete with conventional oil anytime soon. It may be the end result of no choice in a few years, but T-boone is going nowhere with it.
"While Morgan and Boeing see certification happening in the next half decade, that doesn’t mean you’ll fly to your next class reunion in a biofuel powered jet. For one thing, the world’s commercial airline fleet burns something like 85 billion gallons of fuel every year. That’s a lot of jatropha, and finding the resources to grow it will be a challenge.
Price is another issue. The airlines talk a good environmental game, and they may very well want to get clean, but if the price of oil continues dropping toward more manageable levels, the industry might not feel quite the same urgency when it comes to switching over to biofuels.
Jet biofuel will need to be competitive with oil at $100 to $150 a barrel if we are going to start to see significant market penetration, I think, though a very serious carbon price would certainly help — assuming that such a carbon price was applied to the airline industry, which is far from certain anytime soon."
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Re: Pickens Plan Action Alert
Sat, February 14, 2009 - 9:19 AMFrom where I stand you're just being a stick in the arse before any of this even has had a chance to begin. The fossil fuel industry had enormous problems and took decades to straighten out some main issues. They've been building infrastructure for a century for Christ's sakes!!! Your attitude seems to be that we should give up because we can't produce "85 billion gallons of fuel" this year. That attitude is what has kept America from going green or energy independent since the 70's oil crisis. I say lead, follow or get the HELL out of the way so the rest of us can work this out & get started.
I refuse to keep sending US dollars overseas to countries like Saudi Arabia (nearly a Trillion per year) just so they can in turn use some of that to fund the spread of Islam. -
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Sat, February 14, 2009 - 9:47 AMNo, not give up, but do you really think the the airline industry is going to run on biofuel in the next ten or twenty years? Are you even thinking of the amount of land that would be required to produce all the fuel?
I was wrong to phrase that no jet can run withoutconventional oil, but that does not change the fact that oil is the most efficient and cheap way to run the world economy.
You are arrogant and your get the hell outta the way attitude will not fly well with the property siezures that will be required to make Pickens Plan happen. Don't fuck with the NIMBY's. (just using the word before you will)That will backfire...
Plus, you are missing my point. I am not saying that we sould not be working with biofuel, personal photovoltaic or personal wind. You are just proposing that we replace the Saudia Arabia empire that holds us by the balls with the Pickens empire that will not be efficient, own or energy use and provide that same amount of environmental genocide the oil industry holds on us. I'm not even saying it is a bad idea to be working on biofuel jets. Looking for a solution will not work if you put all your eggs in Pickens basket.
I'm just not willing to let a sleaze ball like Pickens take the wealth and hord it like the oil comapnies. I am also being real. Oil is dirtier, but owns the world economy because it is more efficient for producing energy. That is a fact. That does not make it right. Try to think before you talk, And quit jerking T-Bone. Make your own biofuel. Get some solar panels. Walk the walk. Don't be so gullable as to think T-Bone will be bailing out the US. Try to look beyond your testosterone please.
If you want to move close to US energy independence, you need to look at decentralized energy solutions, but I guess T-Bone's will is too strong for you to question??? I am hoping Obama will look more to decentralized energy grids, but I am not holding my breath, but he is more open to it than the last ass-crack who held his job...
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Sat, February 14, 2009 - 9:54 AM"I refuse to keep sending US dollars overseas to countries like Saudi Arabia (nearly a Trillion per year) just so they can in turn use some of that to fund the spread of Islam. "
It's also a bit ignorant to assume the motivation of Saudi Arabia is religious. It's money. Money is their driving desire to own the world economy. Any country that owns that many resources are far more motivated by money than religion. I know you have a real bone to pick with religion, but your hate for religion is twisting your ability to look at this objectivly... -
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Sat, February 14, 2009 - 12:40 PMYou've already demonstrated that you are simply not the goto guy for accurate information not about the Pickens Plan, not about energy and not about religion either.
"Harvard Goes Halal"
"With $800 billion already in Shariah assets — and $1 trillion to $2 trillion in Arab petrodollars annually looking for an investment home — the potential for billions being siphoned off for terrorism is real."
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Sat, February 14, 2009 - 2:40 PMAnother one of those War on Terror guys....
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Sat, February 14, 2009 - 7:51 PMWhat's this conversation got to do with renewable energy?
Or are we talking about the energy generated by printing monopoly money to boost a country that is bust and living in terror of the future?
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Sat, February 14, 2009 - 8:10 PMLOL ... I'm all for energy independence for the US - The Pickens Plan is the only decent plan that gets us started in that direction. I couldn't care less about T. Boone (in fact, I hate what he did to John Kerry by funding the swift boat thing against him). However, If he can help us get on a path towards energy independence then, just do it. President Obama has said he wants to upgrade our energy grid which is still based on 50 year old science at best.
www.pickensplan.com/theplan/
There are other things that will go well with the pickens plan & energy independence such as algae based biofuel & other energy alternatives. My point above is simply: give it a chance to be implemented & work before crying foul, because meanwhile, we still have 2 Trillion US petro dollars per year going to Saudi Arabia - some of which is funding the spread of Islam into western countries. -
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Sat, February 14, 2009 - 8:24 PMHere are the Pickens Plan videos - www.pickensplan.com/media/
"There are several pillars to the Pickens Plan:
* Create millions of new jobs by building out the capacity to generate up to 22 percent of our electricity from wind. And adding to that with additional solar capacity;
* Building a 21st century backbone electrical grid;
* Providing incentives for homeowners and the owners of commercial buildings to upgrade their insulation and other energy saving options; and
* Using America's natural gas to replace imported oil as a transportation fuel.
"Natural gas is not a permanent or complete solution to imported oil. It is a bridge fuel to slash our oil dependence while buying us time to develop new technologies that will ultimately replace fossil transportation fuels. Natural gas is the critical puzzle piece that will help us keep more of the $350 to $450 billion every year at home, where it can power our economy and pay for our investments in wind energy, a smart grid and energy efficiency." -
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Sun, February 15, 2009 - 4:19 AMrocky,
pickens doesnt want to pay for the infrastructure to make his money. wind is a great renewable, and natural gas is crucial so far as combustibles go, but both those things have a market that will recoup capital investment in infrastructure. pickens knows it is cheaper to get the government to spend tax dollars on it. he did it with oil, in fact he got so high on it he almost ran for president. look to him for sympathy when all the water rights he has bought throughout the world become a real commodity and he goes for your jugular. and please, do other research besides some bulshit video -
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Sun, February 15, 2009 - 8:28 AMThe "water rights" is right wing republican propaganda fear mongering BULLSHIT attempting to shut energy independence down before it gets started. Think for yourself & do some real research. Rush Limbaugh is not the goto guy for accurate information.
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Sun, February 15, 2009 - 8:28 AMThank you, VIDA... -
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Sun, February 15, 2009 - 8:42 AMThere is far bigger money in water than wind power.
The republicans don't like renewables so they are exposing Pickens water plan. It's not that they care about the water, they are using it to bring down T-Bone, but it is true and it is an eco disaster. Taking sides with a political party doesn't make a real issue vanish. But just because Fox reported it, does not make it false. You can track the story with other, less biased news groups.
Remember also that T-bone was the driving brains and $$$ behind the Swift Boad campaign against Kerry. Didn't vote for him or Bush. I don't care for democrats or republicans, but that had to be the worst political smear campaign in the history of the US. T-Bone is jumping in and stealing the weath from a failed Bush administration. This is important to know because he is holding up climate and energy independence as a front banner for his rather fierce capitalist appetite. If you can't see that....well, I guess ya can't... -
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Sun, February 15, 2009 - 8:50 AMThe problem is the Pickens Plan is the best plan there is as there exists no other plan at all. Bashing & smearing Pickens won't change that. If the Pickens plan gets America off of foreign oil from countries like Saudi Arabia and starts America towards a path of energy independence then DO IT. -
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Sun, February 15, 2009 - 9:04 AMBut that's the point, it won't. It is a front for his wealth.
I am against emenint domain and I am against the large environmental footprint that industrial "green" renewables will have on the landscape and wildlife. By using vacant lots and all of the existing developed spaces, we can use this kind of energy in a way that has a small footprint. Making biofuel out of algae is a great idea. Blasting the tops off of mountains and hills for industrial windfarms is a step backwards. We don't have to.
Green energy needs to walk the walk of being green. Having crooks use the new science iof global warming to simply rape the Earth and put money in their own pocket is not too much better than the US destroying tribal cultures in South America to raid their oil. Stealing rural land for wind turbines that kill bats and birds is the worst way to use renewable energy.
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Mon, February 16, 2009 - 3:23 PMaircraft fueled with bio-fuel makes a tonne of sense.
the key to independence, tho, rests in flexibility of fuel used to transport goods by ground tractors and rail.
downside ... biofuel and bio diesel are not carbon footprint ( read global warming ) responsible used exclusively.
consequently, the necessity still exists that the resources and technology be useful and in place to power these infrastructure arteries without resorting to conflict and war perpetually over access to petroleum reserves.
in terms of aircraft (power : weight @ range), bio fuel is probably the only real option other than Everclear.
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Sun, February 15, 2009 - 11:54 AMThe Picken's Plan...not such a big fan.
He's filled with half-steps and half-measures. It could be a good interim plan, but is not a great ultimate plan. It is like he looked at the situation, saw that there's a big leak in the main energy spigot, and looked at all the tools he had available to fix it. And then he chose to use a screwdriver and hammer instead of switching on the new, state-of-the-art automated robotic energy spigot repair system. I'm not impressed.
Other plans exist. Several of them. Pickens is not the only game in town, and his plan is not the best in town. He just can afford to buy the press. That's the difference. He has bucks to push his ideas (which will no-doubt make him even wealthier than he already is), but his ideas...they just don't pass muster...they're half-steps...they're using the shoddiest tools in the toolbox. -
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Sun, February 15, 2009 - 2:40 PMMore lies - in this video he says that if anybody else can come up with a better plan than his he will adopt it.
They discuss water at 17:20 minutes
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Tue, February 17, 2009 - 4:11 PMLOL
"If anyone can come up with something better, I'll do it." coming from an arrogant, self-appointed savior...means precisely zero.
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Tue, February 17, 2009 - 9:54 PMPsychic Larry predicts that a devout Muslim from the Middle East will make a dramatic energy technology breakthrough that obviates the Pickens plan, and that the timeless words of the Koran will be the inspiration behind it.
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Sat, April 11, 2009 - 10:17 AMRocky has brought "a" plan to us, thanks.
All ideas from all places should be reviewed.
As others have said, it matters not the messenger, just the good idea.
I also agree that doing something our selves, is the better way.
Put a couple of "panels" on the roof. Buy only zero emissions vehicles.
Or build them. Only ride bikes on the playa, playa........
Forget the profiteers, they won't go away and they won't wait for us the do Anything.
In fact that is what they want. Bickering and finger pointing gets you nowhere.
Thank you all for caring enough to even post.
Peace
What if this wasn't about Pickens at all?
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Sun, April 12, 2009 - 11:04 AMNobody is the "go to man" on information. If you are capable, you need to do your own research and do for yourself what you can. If you can afford the panels, do it. If you can afford the low/no emission cars, do it. If you can be self-sufficient in any way, do it. Some don't have the money to do most of the possible fixes and are rather stuck with whatever is being pumped into their homes. I don't see many apartments and rental properties installing solar power or wind turbines or even efficient heat and air units or appliances. Most of America is middle class or lower. People who rent have very few options. Just a few thoughts.... thanks for listening. -
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Sun, April 12, 2009 - 12:41 PMThanks, S. I've cut my consumption in every way possible, my electric bill runs about 19-24 bucks a month and it takes me about 5-6 weeks to go through a tank of gas. My state passed a net metering law, but then slapped on a big insurance requirement and a potential large increase in property tax. I had thought I could upgrade to some solar power this year, but these additional expenses keep it out of my reach for the time being.
So we consume as little as possible.
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Sun, April 12, 2009 - 1:46 PMI know we need to look at the big picture, but we have to be concerned about the little one, too! Until we ALL can get on board, without having to starve to death in order to get the technology, it is not going to work. In the 80's, we were making progress in the solar field.... if we had kept it up, instead of letting our gov't bow to oil, I believe we would now be in a place of having cheaper solar and wind power. As of yet, it is still too expensive for an awful lot of people. It is sad when you have to be rich to conserve! -
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Sun, April 12, 2009 - 6:10 PMThe most effective change I made was to get rid of the clothes dryer. Didn't cost me a thing. -
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Mon, April 13, 2009 - 1:14 AMOne can do a lot with just a couple of panels and a couple of batteries.
Anything helps, start small and just for fun - www.youtube.com/watch
For myself I like these - www.youtube.com/watch
coupled with these - www.youtube.com/watch
Should make a bit of juice!
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Sun, February 22, 2009 - 7:59 AMNew Energy Summit
Monday, Feb. 23 at 10:15 a.m. EST for live streaming coverage of the New Energy Summit.
Time: February 23, 2009 from 10:15am to 2pm
Location: Washington, DC
Organized By: david@PickensPlan
Event Description:
NATIONAL CLEAN ENERGY PROJECT: BUILDING THE NEW ECONOMY WEBCAST INFORMATION
Reid, Podesta, Pickens, Bill Clinton, Gore, Pelosi to Lead and Participate in this Groundbreaking Summit
WHO: The Center for American Progress Action Fund will host an energy summit entitled “National Clean Energy Project: Building the New Economy” on Monday, February 23, 2009 in Washington, DC. Center for American Progress Action Fund President John Podesta will convene the session. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, a longtime champion of building a clean energy economy, is
honorary chair. Confirmed panelists include President Bill Clinton, Vice President Al Gore, Secretary of Energy Steven Chu, Secretary of Interior Ken Salazar, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, Climate Czar Carol Browner and T.
Boone Pickens.
WHAT: The forum will focus on modernizing and expanding the electricity grid, integrating energy efficiency and distributed generation into operation and regulation, rapidly increasing transmission capacity for renewable energy and reducing our nation’s dependence on foreign oil by examining short- and long term solutions to replace foreign oil with domestic resources to fuel vehicles and trucks, including natural gas.
WHERE: The webcast will be available live on several sites:
www.nationalcleanenergyproject.org
www.pickensplan.com/summit/
www.americanprogressaction.org
RSVP to Emily Parker at eparker@sloanepr.com
WHEN: Monday, February 23, 2009
10:15 AM ET to 1:30 PM ET
EVENT SCHEDULE:
10:15-10:35 AM - National Clean Energy Project: Building the New Economy (open to media, live audience of 100-150)
· Opening Remarks and Participant Introductions: UN Foundation President Tim Wirth
Moderator opens and introduces the table of participants
· Remarks: Senator Harry Reid
· Remarks: President Bill Clinton
· Remarks: Vice President Al Gore
· Remarks: Speaker Nancy Pelosi
· Remarks: T. Boone Pickens
· Remarks: John Podesta
10:35 AM -12:30 PM - Moderated Discussion of Primary Principles
· Principle One – How do we build the modern electricity grid?
· Principle Two – How do we reduce our reliance on foreign oil?
12:45 PM Press Conference – Presentation of Discussion and Common Principles
See more details and RSVP on PickensPlan:
www.pickensplan.com/summit/
www.youtube.com/watch
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Re: Pickens Plan Action Alert
Sun, February 22, 2009 - 1:15 PMThe same mistakes were made before,. making things worse.What you do with your dollars,..
employing greater responsibility,investing in quality consciousness,and products is the real difference.
Do you need someone to do this for you?
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Fri, April 10, 2009 - 2:24 PMI'm really glad you ultra-liberal 'all alternative energy' or nothing people are in the minority. We live in an oil based economy, you think that's going to change overnight? Read 'The Prize' if you don't believe me. At least Pickens Plan is tapping into what the average(average person, not you) wants which is everything to be going in a greener direction, which is what really will get us going in a different direction.
All this talk about switch grass and bio algae will NEVER happen because there's no green incentive(as in money) behind it or anything tangible vs. corn or actual drilling. -
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Fri, April 10, 2009 - 11:59 PMDARPA Gives Logos $19.6M for Bio Jet Fuel
(DARPA is Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency mr so smart)
www.greentechmedia.com/articl...23.html
back to books brainiac
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Sat, April 11, 2009 - 5:23 AM"I'm really glad you ultra-liberal 'all alternative energy' or nothing people are in the minority."
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Sat, April 11, 2009 - 10:07 AMI think Jade is Jaded.
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