solar in apartment

topic posted Sun, June 28, 2009 - 9:26 AM by  offlinepj
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Hello, I'm new here and am looking for answers, help.
In a few days, my daughter and I will have relocated to a new apartment. It's a great little place, but it's all electric. I would love to build a solar panel to help with the lighting at least. So, is this possible? Has anyone ever done anything like this to help with their electricity in an apartment settling?
This is not a large complex. It consists of four, 4 family buildings tucked back in a wooded area. The fact that it is not a completely open area may be a problem and I will have to figure out an area to place the panel and route it into the unit (it is a lower).
I've read and seen pictures of cells place on the top side of windows. Perhaps this is a good option?
We live in Wisconsin, if that has an impact.
I guess I'm wondering if the result of my effort is worth the effort at all.
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  • Re: solar in apartment

    Tue, June 30, 2009 - 9:40 PM
    Your effort will mostly result in a better understanding of the issues, and education is always a good thing.

    Modifying a rental is always an interesting problem. The biggest problem is convincing the owner that you won't be doing any damage. As a starting point, I guess I would consider small panels on good sun exposure windows, charging a small battery and powering LED lighting. This can all be done inside, simply hang the panel in the window, and while it sounds very small it is a very good start. Taking this approach requires no modification of the structure, and you can take it with you when you move.

    In Wisconsin, your main energy cost will be temperature control, not lighting, so this will not make a big difference in your energy bill, but it is a great way of introducing your daughter to renewable energy and conservation.
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      Re: solar in apartment

      Sat, July 4, 2009 - 10:56 PM
      Thank you for the advice. I think I will start there. It should set a good example for others I know also, showing the possibilities with even the slightest effort.

      My daughter has always had a habit of leaving her light on and I can't always be there to turn it off so her room would be a good place to start. She has two windows and I should think that between the two enough energy can be gathered to shed ample lighting for her few night time hours.
      • Re: solar in apartment

        Sat, July 25, 2009 - 4:36 PM
        Actually, this is easier than you think. Build an ePod. Take one of those suitcases on wheels with a pull-up handle. Inside place a deep cell battery (you can get this at Walmart) and attach a small battery-charger-size solar panel to the extended handle. Attach one or more 12v sockets to the battery. Place it in the sun during the day and roll it in at night. Attach lights or other electronics and you are in business.
        • Re: solar in apartment

          Sat, July 25, 2009 - 4:40 PM
          You can also place solar landscape lights outside during the day and bring them in at night for soft general get-around lighting. I call this simple solar - and please don't respond using the candle argument. Candles add heat and can be dangerous in an apartment.
          • Re: solar in apartment

            Sun, July 26, 2009 - 1:26 PM
            you could also do a grid tied system if you get and auto- transformer and an inverter and plug it into your outlet.
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              Re: solar in apartment

              Sun, July 26, 2009 - 4:11 PM
              You cannot do a grid tie without the power company doing the installation. They need a cutoff switch and need to know that you have a grid tie. You can kill or seriously injure a person with a do it yourself grid tie.
              • Re: solar in apartment

                Sun, July 26, 2009 - 5:36 PM
                although some of that may be true, like the part about permission, (but not the danger of killing or in many cases not the disconnect), it is neither funny nor entertaining, and definitely not crafty.

                i was thinking like a panel and an enphase inverter...

                yes its not legal, but we are just speculating anyways, cause the landlord would have to install on his or her building.
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                  Re: solar in apartment

                  Sun, July 26, 2009 - 6:07 PM
                  There is a reason taht a cutoff switch is required for all alternate power connecting to the power grid. When the power utility needs to work on a line they cut the power and they want to know that the power is off. Even though they ground the lines it is safer for them to not have someone generator or solar inverter pumping power into the lines they are working on and they think are dead. The liability issue is a criminal one when someone gets injured or killed.
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                    Re: solar in apartment

                    Sun, July 26, 2009 - 6:12 PM
                    very true... in 1983.

                    all modern inverters have anti islanding in order to be listed for grid tied, and many utilities are giving up the disconnect requirement cause it is superfluous.
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                      Re: solar in apartment

                      Sat, August 1, 2009 - 6:01 PM
                      hmmm....perhaps I should phone the electric co? I have to admit that by the end there, I got a little lost.
                      my hours have been changed, am up at 2:30 am and now am the one requiring more light energy. i turn the lights off as i leave each room, unplug the bedroom lamp for daylight hours and usually just use the light above the stove or sink for lunch, tea making in the kitchen.
                      i am not a candle burner for i don't care for what they emit, but have considered a solar lamp. cheap and easy. still, i wish there a way i could tackle the heating thing as winter is approaching.
                      we have been lucky for it's been a cooler than average summer and have not had to use the air conditioner at all. everything remains unplugged while not in use and i have finally gotten my 17 yr old to take shorter showers. july's electric bill was roughly $45.00. i'm thinking that's pretty good.? still, anything i can do to improve is a bonus.
                      • Re: solar in apartment

                        Sun, August 2, 2009 - 10:53 AM
                        _lamp timers_ in line with small electric fans for the summer, can make as much energy saving difference in the heating season as in cooling.

                        in a more sophisticated sense, thermostats reduce the need for interactivity, but lamp timers in particular can be a good investment.

                        the physical theory that must not be excluded, is called the "Principle of Intermediate Temperatures".

                        in any proper model of thermodynamics (heat flow) there is the consideration of the temperature of intermediate spaces (which are the spaces which do _not_ share convection currents with the insulated space, or share convection currents with the unmaintained environment.

                        exterior space temp <2> intermediate space temp <2> maintained space temp

                        if the intermediate space temp is not maintained, (usually by baffling convection with pink stuff), the intermediate space will simply assume the exterior temp -eventually-.

                        it is also a good point that all spaces between barriers will demonstrate a _loss_ of insulating efficiency (as an otherwise dead air space) _if_ the walls are separated by more than 3/4 of an inch because of _convection_. There is an exception when the space between panes of window glass is evacuated of filled with nitrogen or argon.

                        in general, when rooms which can be kept at an intermediate temperature (which also seperate the prefered heated space from an exterior wall), energy saving _definitely_ improves.

                        the physics facts of life are that (other than shared convecting air, through a doorway for example) the heat transfer rate (Power) is _directly proportional to the Temperature Difference.

                        you will Feel The Truth... right in the pocketbook.

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