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Re: If you could get "married". . . .
Tue, May 22, 2007 - 5:31 PMwow. good question!
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Re: If you could get "married". . . .
Tue, May 22, 2007 - 7:58 PMNO WAY. I agree that gay couples should have the same rights as "straight" married and defacto couples, but a marriage to me implies that I would want to imitate "straight" life. I have chosen my lifestyle and that does not include a mumsy and papsy life style and I would equally terrible to have to produce or adopt brats. A white picket fence, a Volvo and a Labrador and 2 1/2 brats just don't figure in my life and I do not understand why gays lately try to imitate a mainstream life. -
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Re: If you could get "married". . . .
Thu, May 24, 2007 - 2:05 PMLOL Arco, you are a hard man!
"A white picket fence, a Volvo and a Labrador and 2 1/2 brats just don't figure in my life and I do not understand why gays lately try to imitate a mainstream life." This much I agree with, there is nothing more stale than the horrid, self-obsessed, predictable, nauseatingly middle class mainstream. That said, we were ALL "brats" once weren't we?
I'm not sure gay people wanting children and living in an exclusive, monogamous relationship is "imitating" a straight mainstream lifestyle, rather making choices that realises their own sense of self.
Arco, while I acknowledge that it isn't the ideal for everybody (particularly, it seems, gay people) you seem to imply an inherent dysfunction in that type of relationship I'm not convinced is totally accurate.
"I do not understand why gays lately try to imitate a mainstream life." "gays" have been doing this for centuries, just as straight people have been exploring different ways of living for centuries. It's just that the current gay political agenda is for mainstream acceptance. Looking at gay history one can hardly blame them - just as it is equally true to see from history that those who push at the outer regions of different societies can sometimes drag communities out of bigotry and into a broader acceptance of the positive richness of the human spirit, endeavor and condition. -
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Re: If you could get "married". . . .
Thu, May 24, 2007 - 2:32 PMI understand your point of view. I was purely talking about myself. I have nothing against gay relationships, be it monogamous or open, after all I have been in one for over 20 years. My relationship is based on a gay lifestyle and survives because of honesty and acceptance of each others freedom and individuality and is stronger now then when we first met. Never-the-less I don't think it could have ever survived if we would have based it on a "straight" model. Actually co0me to think of it most of my straight friends are divorced and most of my gay friends that got together and went out to buy a double bed and furnished an apartment separated before the credit card was paid off. So I do not think that formalizing a relationship would solve any problems. -
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Re: If you could get "married". . . .
Thu, May 24, 2007 - 2:50 PMyeah, good points Arco, and congrats on a successful relationship, that in-itself seems against the odds these days.
My point was that a monogamous relationship isn't necessarily based on a straight model or ideal but an inner desire or need of some people. I think any relationship is probably doomed if it is entered into with the expectation of either 'changing' a person or hoping some certificate will overcome problems between people. Love, honesty, acceptance and freedom seems to be a perfect foundation for any relationship regardless of it's own peculiarities. In that sense, I quite envy you Arco.
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Re: If you could get "married". . . .
Wed, May 23, 2007 - 4:38 AMNOPE! Gay marriage = gay divorce -
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Re: If you could get "married". . . .
Wed, June 6, 2007 - 4:48 PMgay or straight, I think "marriage" is an outdated concept. I don't know any "married" gay couples that have been able to keep it together. Even my current relationship makes me cast doubts on the whole notion of "till death do us part." Yeah,...riiiight! -
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Re: If you could get "married". . . .
Tue, June 12, 2007 - 4:39 PM<<My relationship is based on a gay lifestyle>>
My last day on tribe so humour me.
The above is the George Michael defence when caught in a public park shagging a complete stranger......he said <its my culture>.
For a group that lobbies, ridicules and disdains hetreosexuals, some of you are living in denial land. Being in a long term relationship with the codicile that you can shag at will is not <gay culture>. Some folk just like to fuck around. Some dont. Impying that being born homosexual makes you genetically predisposed to promiscuity is crap.
If you want to apologise for being gay, fill your boots, your other pecidilos are strictly down to you. To say all str8s want white fences and 2.2 children while gays like to *experiment* is the same as saying some muslims have to kill their daughters.....its for honour and ....hey....its what we do... -
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Re: If you could get "married". . . .
Tue, June 12, 2007 - 6:33 PMHi Molly! Where ya been? Why are you leaving Tribe? I wish you wouldn't. I'm always interested in your writings... -
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Re: If you could get "married". . . .
Thu, June 14, 2007 - 9:32 AMFor fuck's sake why do the worst things always seem to happen to the best people? The amoral, the nefarious, the unethical, the conniving opportunists seem to just glide through this fucked world.
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