Hello ...an introduction

topic posted Fri, November 16, 2007 - 10:52 PM by  Lilly
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I was browsing for a tribe that fit. I found this one.

I'm married (for four years, now) and believe in monogamy. My husband was unable to say the same at some point, and he was adulterously entwined in sex addiction (with another live, stranger -- briefly). For three years, I have remained in the marriage, but we are (I am unwillingly) celibate.

We are best friends, and otherwise, had the bedrock of a good marriage... .

I enjoy an alternative lifestyle, at my core (age play). DH never was on board with it. I thought I could put aside my need, as I'd found a very copacetic, and loving relationship in him (seven years ago, today). However, having struggled for three years in celibate monogamy, and having forsaken all others, I finally stopped waiting for change in the one area that I could no longer abide: a sexless marriage with a man I love, who loves me back.

The next time I give myself to a man, he will relish all of me. Not just the parts he wants. (It's not a cafeteria). <blink blink>

It's painful to face moving on, and freeing to think of the possibilities. I am interested to keep reading posts and threads. Thanks for creating a venue I can sink into.
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Lilly
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  • Re: Hello ...an introduction

    Sat, November 17, 2007 - 11:09 AM
    I wish I wasn't the first person to respond to this, well this isn't good advice or anything, just my opinion;

    Sex is one of the best things in life... along with food, children's laughter etc...

    It wouldn't be fair to live life in unwilling celibacy, it seems like you know that though.
    I'm glad you are willing to give yourself to someone besides your husband
    even though it will be outside the constitution of marriage.

    I mean who knows, maybe he'll realize what he's missing out on once you've got that
    i've just been fucked glow back...
    ;)
    • Re: Hello ...an introduction

      Sat, November 17, 2007 - 7:24 PM
      if you just want somone to acumpany you to a club or tow i'd be happy to be your escort.
      i've been wanting to go out to the sf clubs for a wile for the same reasons that you described but have been very uncomfortuble with the idea of going alone.

      if we hit it off maybe it could be a date, but even if we don't then it could still be a couple of acaintences keeping eachother company , that way you can get out ther and start meeting peaple without the presure, if someone bugs you then you're here with your daddy and he's the jelus type, and if you meet somone you like , then "oh him? he's gay, we're just freinds." :)

      let me know in a message if you're interested.

      :)
  • Re: Hello ...an introduction

    Wed, November 28, 2007 - 3:05 PM
    Lilly,

    Your situation is a lot like my partners, she spent 15 years with a man who was a decent father to their children but emotionally rather cold. Spent the last few years celibate and then one day just had enough and kicked him out. Spent about a year just being single, knowing deep down she wanted to be kinky but not doing much about it.

    She is happier now than she has ever been. The kids will remain a complication tying the two of them together but she feels it is worth it. You don't have kids, nothing to tie you down.

    So, what is your life worth? Do you want to be in the same situation 30 years from now?
    • Re: Hello ...an introduction

      Sun, December 9, 2007 - 1:39 PM
      Hi Michael,

      I'm so happy for your partner... Sounds and looks like she has a true lover in you. To answer your question, my life is worth much, and I've made a decision to divorce. My husband and I are truly sad for it, but he wants me to be happy and admits that he can't be the one to help me to achieve monogamous fulfillment. So... there it is.

      I'm looking forward.
      Lilly
      • Re: Hello ...an introduction

        Tue, December 11, 2007 - 5:06 AM
        and don't forget, you have freinds, i count my self as one of them.
        • Re: Hello ...an introduction

          Tue, January 1, 2008 - 4:20 PM
          Hi, Lilly,
          I wasn't a member of this tribe until I read your post while browsing tribes... our situations are so eerily similar I couldn't not comment. Really, everything except the divorce, there is still some hope for us to prevent it but sometimes it's too sad that it's even part of the dialogue. Anyway, I agree it and you are courageous in your honesty and appreciate your information and now the knowledge that I'm not the only one in this situation.
  • Re: Hello ...an introduction

    Wed, January 2, 2008 - 6:31 AM
    Lilly - how well I know exactly what you are talking about and what you are/were going through. My last marriage turned into exactly what you described. At first it was wonderful. There was a great deal of interests in each other and fun times. After about one year things started to really change, especially in the sex department. Before we got married we were sexually active 4-5 times a week. After about a year I noticed a decline in her sex drive. I started to think it was something I was doing or not doing. We talked about it and after 2+ hours of talking (and boy did I open myself up) she made the comment that she was happy with sex once a week while I needed it daily or more. I looked at that in two ways - a good thing and a bad thing. Good - it was nice to know that I was able to fulfill her sexual needs in one night that lasted a week; Bad - it only happened once a week. Then it got to once a month and finally, during the last year of our marriage, none at all. We even slept in different rooms. I thought it was me. I never had any problems before in the sex area and actually got many compliments about it. One night I heard her talking and was wondering who she was talking to in the livingroom. She was asleep and it was very apparent that she was talking in her sleep. Needless to say my name wasn't in her conversation nor was I in her dream. She was very active in her Chruch and was the Choir Director. All these nights of going to the Chruch for choir practice was not always at the Church. I did not go to her Church so I really didn't know what the schedules were. I found out the choir practices once a week not 3-4 times a week. So after I found that out and found out who she was seeing on the side I didn't feel bad about not having sex with her at all. Like yourself, a self imposed celibacy. We divorced and have gone our separate ways. I asked her why she had the affair when she could get all the sex she wanted at home. She told me that I was too much for her. Not size but the amount of sex I enjoyed and the different types of sex I enjoy. I scared her because I was bringing her into areas that she had never been. Like yourself I also like to explore some differernt areas of sexual pleasure other than just doing it Missionary position. I remained true to her through-out the marriage, even after she told me that I should go get myself a lady on the side to fulfill my sexual needs. I loved her that much. So those 3 years of marriage was a waste, a waste of her time as well as a waste of my time and effort. That was 6 years ago.

    Hopefully I will do better in my next relationship.....if it ever comes.....
  • Re: Hello ...an introduction

    Thu, January 3, 2008 - 6:46 AM
    Lily, are you still married? Did you ask your husband directly why he doesn't want sex with you? If yes, what did he say? If no, why not?
    • Re: Hello ...an introduction

      Thu, January 3, 2008 - 6:25 PM
      Hi. Have we met?
      • Re: Hello ...an introduction

        Thu, January 3, 2008 - 10:44 PM
        No, we haven't met. I asked my question because, honestly, it upsets me when women don't simply directly confront issues, and instead run away from them. I hope that wasn't the case here.
        • complicity

          Sat, January 5, 2008 - 7:19 PM
          The fact that I am still a vital woman who deeply loves my husband should have been a tip off to you. Your question was offensive and assumptive. You must be from that old school where women are the "weaker sex", huh? Perhaps you should consider that it was my husband who hasn't been direct with me... and that I abated his lack of intimacy with as much open discussion, care and concern as one could -- without being a nag.

          Let me be direct with *you*. If you sensed that I was venting here, to let my marriage go down in complicit flames without a confrontation, joint marital counseling, and hours and hours of "I'm OK, You're OK" --- to simply happily come here and dump it all out for a bunch of people I have yet to get to know -- and say I worked on it. in good conscience.. you're kind of dense.

          I'm not sure what kind of women you are generalizing about; you should feel no need to be upset. There's been no subterfuge here.
          • Re: complicity

            Thu, January 10, 2008 - 6:24 AM
            All I want to say is this: A person who leaves a marriage without first confronting their partner about the issue that bothers them is absolutely despicable in my view. And the fact is that women do this far more often than men do. If you have confronted your husband about the issue that concerns you, then you do not fall into this category. But I had no way of knowing this based on what I saw in this thread, which is why I asked the question.
            • Re: complicity

              Thu, January 10, 2008 - 8:44 PM
              married, I'm not sure what on *earth* would have contributing to your assumption that anyone here would just ditch a partner without a "come to Jesus"-type discussion. Isn't the very notion of being deeply monogamous synonymous with someone who is not capricious or who takes their primary relationship *very* seriously?!? Color me confused. I've broken with two husbands, unfortunately, and both marriages were destroyed as a result of my ex-partners' selfishness, insecurity, disconnectedness, and infidelity. Emotional immaturity had a huge hand in how things played out, too.

              I understand that maybe, based on your post(s), you might be of the opinion that women expect their partners to be, well, psychic, and just "understand" what the problem is, but that kind of bullshit goes both ways! As far as my interactions with my partners, how am I going to know that there's any sort of problem if all you're doing is blowing sunshine up my skirt, and not being real with me about your thoughts, feelings, misgivings, or expectations? Thankfully, this time around, I married an LCSW (social worker with a Masters in social work/counseling), not a fucking engineer (again)! Peace out, beautiful ones! ~ Misha :o)
              • Re: complicity

                Fri, January 11, 2008 - 6:05 AM
                Here are some examples that have contributed to my assumption that some women would just ditch a partner without confronting them:

                www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...icle.html

                I am glad to hear to that this behavior is not accepted here.

                Misha, if I may ask, what did your ex-husbands say when you confronted them? Were they direct and simply disagreed with you, or did they avoid the issue?

                I am an engineer, and I (thankfully) don't deal with people much. So I am curious about how people deal with these issues. I would be surprised if engineer husbands failed to be direct and try to solve the problem, since those are the traits that a good engineer needs.
                • Re: complicity

                  Fri, January 11, 2008 - 3:40 PM
                  Married,

                  "Misha, if I may ask, what did your ex-husbands say when you confronted them? Were they direct and simply disagreed with you, or did they avoid the issue? "

                  Even though you aren't asking me. I find your questions offensive. Please, go phish somewhere else.
                • Re: complicity

                  Sat, January 12, 2008 - 12:45 AM
                  (mar) i'll boil this down what i have to say t you so a few words, clears throte and reads from imaginary list.

                  (said as if a grand proclimation) transference, projection , aspumption!

                  (said in a mock sad/consoling tone) unjestifiubly confrontational, basles asumptions, take a minute to think about that .


                  aspie? or just making exuses?
              • Re: complicity

                Fri, January 11, 2008 - 3:38 PM
                "... not a fucking engineer (again)!"

                Hey, not all of us science/engineer geeks have that problem... I may be guilty of its opposite, but not that.
                • Re: complicity

                  Fri, January 11, 2008 - 11:32 PM
                  Oh, sweetie (Troy) - no, I understand that not all engineers are devoid of emotion. ;o) Actually, I love engineers' brains! It seems, however, that there are two types of engineers (like there are two types of Scorpios) - those that have done their "personal work", and those that haven't. My first husband, whom I refer to (and did in the marriage) as Spock, willingly admitted that I was sixth or seventh priority in his life, despite the fact that we were together for nine years. I begged, pleaded, cajoled him to work with me; to work on the marriage; for years, but his take was that anything that was wrong with the relationship lay squarely on my shoulders; that he was just fine, and that I was the fucked up one. When he fucked around on me (and willingly told me about it immediately afterwards), I had no desire to be in the relationship any longer. Once I was gone, he realized how deeply he had lost; what an amazing woman/wife I was; and was so deeply remorseful. Too little, too late. That's the first one. Peace and Blessings, beautiful ones! I may be back later to explain the dynamics of my second (failed) marriage, but we'll see. ~ Misha :o)
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.

                    Re: complicity

                    Sat, January 12, 2008 - 8:01 AM
                    Misha,

                    It was said a bit tongue-in-check for I understand exactly what you are talking about from my father, who was a workaholic to provide the things that he thought we needed when what we needed was his time on, our terms, to co-workers, who are so focused on work and careers that they miss out on much of what life has to offer.

                    I've got my issues: ADD with depression-like symptoms, which really screws with relationships (inattentive, over-attentive, impulsiveness and thoughtlessness all of which combine to give strange mannerisms or a tendency to whine when frustrated or upset). But knowing I having those issues also makes me sensitive to the needs of others - often annoyingly so.

                    Although I found your story interesting, it wasn't necessary.

                    May you find everlasting happiness with your third husband,
                    Troy
                    • Re: complicity

                      Fri, February 8, 2008 - 6:05 PM
                      Not that this has much to do with the conversation, or at least where this conversation has turned. But i think it's wonderful that lily has had an oppurtunity to find someone who fullfills her needs. I am also into ageplay. My Daddy i are monogamous (at the moment) in terms of not having sex with other people. But one of the great things about our relationship is that we are allowed to play with other people. I'm very kinky and very into bdsm. So, in theory we play with other people who full fill other needs our partner isn't able to fullfill. I'm into ageplay and S&M and bondage and kitten play, voyerism (my Daddy participates ina great deal of those activities) But not all and i think it's great that i can go off and be with friends and partners who full fill needs daddy isn't able to. Makes our relationship move so much more smoothly and no one resents the other for not being able to do something we need. Afterall most of us don't choose what turns us on.
                      *my 2 cents

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