Greetings all. I am new to this tribe and wish your input. Through a friend's tribes, I found this one, and am overjoyed to have done so.
I am part of a large community in which there are those who embrace monogamy, but the majority do not seem to do so. I will not say they do not, as I have not asked them all and assuming such would be rude. Unfortunately, my association with this fantastic community has caused some very severe jealousy issues on my behalf in recent months.
To nutshell:
I am part of a matched pair, bi (but not actively seeking), and have been married for 12 years.
Two events were attended. At the first, I came to the fire to find my husband kissing another woman. Now, this is a woman he and I both flirt with, however, I do not like being surprised. It took me several minutes to gather my wits before I was able to speak with either of them. In no way did I have any expectation that events would progress beyond a kiss.
At the second event, while he drummed, a woman sat on the drum in front of him, in his words "For the vibration". In my words, effectively using my husband as a vibrator. This same evening my husband ended up on his back on the ground with a woman on top of him, and states he has no idea how he got there. This was with the woman from the first event I mentioned.
My husband does not lie and he does not cheat, but when such things are discussed, I am actively aware that he does not have the same boundaries or comfort levels that I do. We appear to have a divide between us, in which on one side, my boundaries and expectations live. On the other, his...and there is a vast canyon between them.
As it is not a lack of trust in events that would follow such events, I am trying to determine how to deal with jealousy. While there may be those that wish to comment on my husband's inappropriate actions, and I understand if you feel it is needed, I may well not respond to anything I view as derogatory towards him.
Any suggestions?
I am part of a large community in which there are those who embrace monogamy, but the majority do not seem to do so. I will not say they do not, as I have not asked them all and assuming such would be rude. Unfortunately, my association with this fantastic community has caused some very severe jealousy issues on my behalf in recent months.
To nutshell:
I am part of a matched pair, bi (but not actively seeking), and have been married for 12 years.
Two events were attended. At the first, I came to the fire to find my husband kissing another woman. Now, this is a woman he and I both flirt with, however, I do not like being surprised. It took me several minutes to gather my wits before I was able to speak with either of them. In no way did I have any expectation that events would progress beyond a kiss.
At the second event, while he drummed, a woman sat on the drum in front of him, in his words "For the vibration". In my words, effectively using my husband as a vibrator. This same evening my husband ended up on his back on the ground with a woman on top of him, and states he has no idea how he got there. This was with the woman from the first event I mentioned.
My husband does not lie and he does not cheat, but when such things are discussed, I am actively aware that he does not have the same boundaries or comfort levels that I do. We appear to have a divide between us, in which on one side, my boundaries and expectations live. On the other, his...and there is a vast canyon between them.
As it is not a lack of trust in events that would follow such events, I am trying to determine how to deal with jealousy. While there may be those that wish to comment on my husband's inappropriate actions, and I understand if you feel it is needed, I may well not respond to anything I view as derogatory towards him.
Any suggestions?
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Re: Unexpected surprises
Sat, July 7, 2007 - 6:12 PMsounds like you are going through a painful situation...it is unclear from your post what the established rules/boundaries are...and maybe it seems that it is time to re-visit a discussion about that with your husband. i am not clear whether his behavior is a violation of rules that you and he agreed to, or if perhaps there aren't clear rules and as a result you each interpret the boundaries differently. if this is the case, maybe it would help to clarify the boundaries, to establish what is okay and what is not. sometimes it is necessary to get *really* specific.
in general (and i am seemingly one of the more liberal or *alternative* monogamists on this tribe)--it seems that it is very difficult when partners want different things when it comes to relating to others.
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Sun, July 8, 2007 - 6:11 AMabsolutely. I myself have a bit of a canyon between my loved one and I, and I cannot stress the importance of communication and cooperative soulseeking enough on these matters. This canyon of ours has been shrinking and shrinking, and the only reason for that is our communication, and our desire to be there for each other in all matters.
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Sun, July 8, 2007 - 6:31 PM
I agree with Stillfire's analysis. It sounds to me like you have not sat down and made a very explicit agreement about what is ok and what is not ok. Is kissing others ok? Is cuddling with others ok? Does it matter who the others are? Everyone gets to have agreements that work for them, and everyone is very different.
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Sat, July 14, 2007 - 3:47 PMI wish to respond to you first because you were there first to respond to me. You were absolutely correct. The boundaries, rules, comfort zones, etc, while I had deluded myself into calling them defined, were, in all reality, not defined at all beyond deliberate and specific contact that meant sex.
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Re: Unexpected surprises
Mon, July 9, 2007 - 7:52 AMMeredith,
As others have said, a new discussion about boundaries seems in order. While I am sure all here know of these techniques in case anyone doesn't, this would seem to beg for "mirroring". I would have you state your boundaries and have him repeat them in his own words to see if he has truly grasped the meaning of your boundaries.
That said, I would suggest that you look inward and see what the fear you have is, what emotions and issues are being triggered when those events took place. This isn't about blame but the better you can grasp what the source of your fear is the better you can communicate to him how to take care of you.
Also, is this the first time he has experienced women comming on to him? People often go through life without experiencing that enough to effortlessly walk away from it let alone know how to enjoy it and set their own boundaries.
Bottom line is to address this quickly before an accident of some sort dives a real wedge between the two of you. Thanks for sharing something of yourself so deeply and with such vulnerability! -
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Mon, July 9, 2007 - 9:26 AMif somthing crosses your line, makes you feel ronged or intruded upon, then you have a rite to feel angree, and a rite to set a boundry. and a responsibility to your partner to let them know when they are crossing those boundrys.
thats how i see it anyways, the actual rite way to proceed depends highly on the internal emotional strucktures of your particular relationship.
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Re: Unexpected surprises
Mon, July 9, 2007 - 3:25 PMHi Merideth,
Alot has already been said and some great advice given, please indulge me whilst I follow suit. I imagine that since you two seem to do most things together, it may very well be the fact that you walked in on something already in progress without being included, in either the planning or execution thereof, and that is what has made you feel a bit on the outside looking in, when generally it is the other way around. Then again, not having ALL the details of you relationship I can really only guess.
You both have every right to own and air your feelings, whatever they are or how fragmented they may be and there is nothing wrong with not totally understanding why you feel a certain way either. What IS important is that you both try to support each other while you both process new emotional reactions that come up from time to time. I have on more than on occasion stated that I am stuck on something and I don't know why yet. Let me chew on it for a bit and see if I can't better verbalize what that is and what we can do about it. In truth that is really what you are doing by posting this...getting feedback to help you understand why you feel the way you do and I think it is a very healthy avenue to avail yourself of. None of us may have the answer here but it may spark something else in you that might be quite helpful.
Not to squick anyone with a bible story but I am reminded of story of Job. In that the Devil said to God that, "Sure... it is easy to be a faithful servant when everything is going your way, let's see how he stands up in the face of adversity and poverty and misfortune." Reportedly, the Devil destroyed everything that Job held dear, and suffered him with plagues, pestilence, his children dying, his crops burned, his cattle poisoned... and through it all, he remained steadfast in his faith and love and after, all that was taken from him was returned to him.
These little trials and tribulations pale by comparison and it IS only a story but the fact remains that in any relationship there come these little tests and if you both have faith in each other, coming through these...together.... is the real work and where you make the most progress and hopefully become closer from the overcoming of these obstacles.
Warmly,
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Tue, July 10, 2007 - 1:16 PMhi... I just want to offer a reminder to not "step over" this or anything that makes you feel so uncomfortable in relationship. I know in the past I have had a tendency to try and play it cool, as it is so hip to be "poly-playful" these days. I have learned that I am just not built that way and have come to honor that fact, state it clearly and seek out others who are similar enough in their monogomous natures to understand. Sounds like a tough place for you to be in as you have been together a long time and it seems like this is just starting to come up, maybe he is beginning to open up and feel experimental in ways that seem acceptable by the behavior in the community you are in, But if it is not okay with you, then it is not, and that is okay, no judgement on either of you. however, If you are just coming face to face with these issues for the first time then it is a great opportunity to get to "know thyself" more deeply by discovering what IS okay with you and what you might be open to, or learn what you are absolutely not open to and learn how to communicate it clearly with your partner.
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Sat, July 14, 2007 - 3:53 PMEveryone, thank you very very much.
Many of you reiterated what needed to occur and had not. Some of you guessed that I had "played it cool" when I should not have. The reason for the post was because my husband and I had discussed the events and I, effectively, convinced myself it was a good conversation and a form of resolution when it was not. This later manifested as anger, and I unfairly took my feelings out on my husband.
After reading your posts, and taking time to think, I set my head straight. Re-read a portion of a book I purchased, not because it was exactly what I needed, but because the community I am part of seemed to require it to what is left of the little catholic girl voice inside my head that still sometimes tries to be the boss of me (no slight intended, only a representation of general sexual repression I experienced when part of that faith).
You, as a group, helped me own my own feelings, sit down and have possibly one of the most constructive discussions about our status, comfort levels, definitions of sex and seduction and boundaries that we have ever had. Thank you for your input. You are all amazing and we are doing much better. -
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Sat, July 14, 2007 - 6:48 PMI'm so happy to hear that! Best of luck to you!
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Mon, July 16, 2007 - 11:24 PM
Thanks for the update. You did well.