I just found this place. I'm curious if everyone here agrees on what monogamy means. Wikipedia defines 3 types of monogamy; social monogamy, sexual monogamy, and genetic monogamy:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vari...f_Monogamy
Does everyone here agree that, at the least, monogamy should include social and genetic monogamy?
I assume people have different views on sexual monogamy. My view is that each couple should set their on rules on sex and then live by those rules. So unlike social and genetic monogamy, sexual monogamy is not an absolute requirement for one to be considered monogamous.
I think serial monogamy isn't monogamy at all. Monogamy means commitment and serial monogamy means no commitment. Do you agree?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vari...f_Monogamy
Does everyone here agree that, at the least, monogamy should include social and genetic monogamy?
I assume people have different views on sexual monogamy. My view is that each couple should set their on rules on sex and then live by those rules. So unlike social and genetic monogamy, sexual monogamy is not an absolute requirement for one to be considered monogamous.
I think serial monogamy isn't monogamy at all. Monogamy means commitment and serial monogamy means no commitment. Do you agree?
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Re: Defining Monogamy
Thu, January 3, 2008 - 3:00 PM''I think serial monogamy isn't monogamy at all. Monogamy means commitment and serial monogamy means no commitment. Do you agree?''
I don't think it's as black and white as that. Most of us have probably had partners that we were very dedicated to, and that we wanted to spend the rest of our lives with. The fact that it didn't work, and that we moved on, doesn't indicate a lack of commitment, at least not totally. Sure, we could slug through it and probably fix it up if we tried, but it's not societally expected of us. Maybe what you're asking is, is that ok? -
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Re: Defining Monogamy
Thu, January 3, 2008 - 6:58 PMI concur with Joe. The serialism of past attempts means only that another attempt followed a failed attempt or an attempt which had a finite ending to it. It doesn't mean that the actual relationships themselves did not consist of a singular commitment to one person and only that person, during the time it existed.
And if I may... IMHO, since the end-all-be-all of defining terms is not Wikipedia, let's look at the Merriam Webster online dictionary in which one of the definitions is:
the condition or practice of having a single mate during a period of time.
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Re: Defining Monogamy
Thu, January 3, 2008 - 10:52 PMWell maybe serial monogamy could be considered failed monogamy, at least if the intent was to stay together. But people who consider themselves serial monogamists these days actually do not intend to stay together, so I can't see how this can be considered monogamy at all.
As for the definition "the condition or practice of having a single mate during a period of time", this is meaningless without defining some minimum period of time. After all, a man can only copulate with one woman at a time, so even the owner of a harem can be considered a serial monogamist whose current partner is whoever he is currently copulating with, at least for the duration of the copulation. -
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Re: Defining Monogamy
Thu, January 3, 2008 - 10:58 PMI guess I have to disagree, but that's just fine. My concept of being a serial monogamist is that of one who has one deep, exclusive, committed relationship after another; not going into each relationship assuming it was a temporary situation. I don't share well with others, so I know that I can't be in a fully poly relationship; my partner's monogamy is and trustworthiness in this area is *critical* to my feeling safe and comfortable in Relationship. If you read between the lines, you can probably see that what I'm not saying is that I can have multiple attachments, myself, but that I'm too insecure/selfish/neurotic, what have you, to have it at two-way street, so monogamy feels like a safe default position. I wouldn't invest my full self in a relationship, no matter what the permutations were, if I didn't plan on sticking around and doing my best to make it work out. Peace and Blessings,
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Re: Defining Monogamy
Fri, January 4, 2008 - 2:16 AM''What are you reading?'' asked Polonius of Hamlet. ''Words, words, words'' replied the wise little bugger. I think we're all on the same page here, so definitions be damned.
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Re: Defining Monogamy
Fri, January 11, 2008 - 9:16 AM
> Well maybe serial monogamy could be considered failed monogamy,
> at least if the intent was to stay together. But people who consider
> themselves serial monogamists these days actually do not intend to
> stay together, so I can't see how this can be considered monogamy at all.
"married" has, I think, some justification here. I can certainly report hearing
this use of "serial monogamy" -- being exclusive so long as the couple *is*
a "couple" but knowing/intending that the relationship won't be permanent,
and planning to find a different partner after the current relationship ends.
But, for the record, I can also report the *other* use -- being in a (non-serial)
monogamous relationship that ended, and later beginning another one. It
doesn't have to be "failed" in the (somewhat negative) sense "married"
seemed to use it -- if one partner dies, for example, I'd take umbrage at ANY
suggestion that it therefore was a "failed" relationship.
> As for the definition "the condition or practice of having a single mate
> during a period of time", this is meaningless without defining some
> minimum period of time.
Only in an "engineering" sense. We're talking about human relationships
here, not RPM's of motors or microsecond durations of computer-controlled
timing signals. It is at best naive -- and possibly rather disingenuous -- to
suggest that (in a discussion of relationships, particularly when monogamy
is under discussion) the phrase "a period of time" can be *correctly*
understood to be "any period of time."
> After all, a man can only copulate with one woman at a time, so even
> the owner of a harem can be considered a serial monogamist whose
> current partner is whoever he is currently copulating with, at least for
> the duration of the copulation.
Well, most guys only have one dick, so P-I-V sex is limited to one woman
"at a time," but I know *my* wife would consider it "cheating" if I tried to
claim "but honey, I only ate her out! It's not as if cunnilingus is SEX or
anything..." Likewise if she said, "but honey, I only jerked him off..." So
I'm inclined to say that a man can indeed have sex with multiple women
simultaneously... technically speaking, that is.
- Steve
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