Is there anyone here who is anything but 100% Monogamous?

topic posted Mon, August 20, 2007 - 11:00 PM by  Stillfire
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Just wondering because it seems that the title of this tribe can be defined in different ways. I originally thought that it was to be construed as being other than traditionally monogamous...but it seems that most folks here are (at times righteously I find) strictly monogamous. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but I was hoping that there might be a little bigger range of experience on a tribe that calls itself *alternative*.

Thanks.
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  • (article by Eric Francis)
    A FEW years ago in a storm of indignant inspiration, I wrote a short piece called The Seven Definitions of Monogamy. The joke was basically this: the outer perception is that monogamy is one thing, one concept; in reality, everyone has a different definition, or lack thereof.

    The dictionary says it means having one exclusive partner. An older tradition says it means one partner for life. There is a difference. Serial monogamy, as it's currently known, is not really monogamy: I think of it as serial polyamory. You have "many loves" -- but in sequence rather than at one time.

    In other definitions of monogamy, one may be in an exclusive relationship and make out with one's colleague in the supply room. Some monogamous partnerships make a provision if one person in the relationship is bisexual; an exemption is granted for the same-sex excursions.

    Some people have a spaz attack if their partner so much as looks at another person. In other relationships, opposite-sex friendships are encouraged or accepted, complete with hugging, cuddling and private dinners out. Some forms of monogamy are so strict that they include a form of exclusivity that prevents one partner from going to community college.

    Plenty of people cheat: that is, do things their partner is unaware of and would probably not approve of, and they don't ever mention these activities. These scenarios were all included on my list of the Seven Definitions, which actually counted about 20 variations on the term monogamous. What I discovered from writing that essay is there is nothing mono about monogamy. We all think we know what it means, and it means something different to everyone, and often that something is unconscious; that is, it's not negotiated openly. Sometimes it is, and that is usually very cool.

    Monogamy may imply exclusivity, but if that is true, then why are there so many things that we don't (necessarily) discuss with our exclusive partners? Could it be that our thoughts and feelings run contrary to our ideas about commitment? Or could it be that we're concerned that if someone really knows us, they won't want to be with us?

    When you begin to include the fantasy world -- what we think about rather than what we do -- the territory gets really interesting. How much of what we imagine in our mind's eye would we articulate to a partner or lover, or to anyone? Often real feelings are involved, scenarios that go on for years, taboos are played with or transgressed, and there are many experiments. What do you imagine your partner would think if he or she could view all your fantasies in a crystal ball? What if you could view theirs?

    The private quality of fantasy is my main theory of why masturbation remains taboo. It has nothing to do with the physical content of the experience. I believe that it's the psychic content, veiled from view but still resounding in our minds, that makes most people uncomfortable with the topic. If your masturbation is revealed, then the next logical question is what are/were you thinking? I can tell you this: many people really do have fantasies that they would be extremely reluctant to admit. Perhaps because they are so taboo, they would be shocking, or out of fear of hurting one's partner.

    Some people use this whole area of repression as psychic fuel, playing with self-exposure, sharing their erotic fantasies completely openly, and living a little more freely.



    Chakra Sutra by Via Keller.

    VENUS retrograde recalls the past. Most retrogrades do, particularly of inner planets. Venus retrograde is famous for former partners and forgotten friends showing up. Sometimes the connections are to complete old business, sometimes they're just to say hello, and sometimes they show up and stick around.

    The past is very much an issue in many relationships, or it is the issue: what we did, who we did, who we were, what we learned and who we may still care about. Vast sectors of the past are off-limits for discussion in relationships. Indeed, for many people, the past is not something they care to think much about. It typically lives in a secluded dimension.

    Retrogrades also possess an interior quality; they take us inward, so Venus retrograde is like getting a passport into the world of our private emotional history. An unseen and otherwise unavailable world can open up.

    Venus is retrograde least of all the planets -- for just six weeks out of every 18 months, or about 8% of the time. Many of the attributions of Venus are inwardly related: our values, who we love, what we want, how we feel, what we need. The retrograde emphasizes this quality, and it may take us on a journey through inner space taking us back through our feelings about the past.

    Where this occurs in the zodiac -- within the Leo-Virgo borderland -- is a particularly intriguing place, because it already involves the integration of our feelings and our experiences.

    Using the signs involved, let's make up a few stories. Leo is said to represent passion, daring and impetuous feelings. Not all people with the Sun in Leo exhibit these properties; many factors shape a personality. But Leo itself is known for a kind of childlike approach to the world that does not necessarily consider the consequences.

    Moving through the astrological signs counterclockwise, the direction that most of us are taking the journey, Virgo commences a very different story. Virgo is all about considering the consequences, even to the point of paralysis. The critical and extremely self-critical attributes of Virgo are well established. So moving from Leo into early Virgo and stationing retrograde seems like a pausing to consider and review the consequences of our experiences.

    It's about integrating those experiences: consciously considering them, and exploring our responses both intellectually and emotionally until we own our journey consciously.

    Virgo is Chiron country, and Chiron is about awareness. Many have noted that Chiron is about healing, but I propose that it's specifically about healing through raising awareness. Virgo certainly possesses the hyper-focused consciousness that really makes us look at our lives, and Venus stationing there is leaving no brain cell or emotional cell unturned.

    Problems begin, however, when we get too critical, forget our passions and live what some people like to describe as "in our heads." Part of the awareness we need to raise is precisely of that issue, so common to our technological society. This would be a good time to notice the extent to which virtual reality is taking over. The retrograde is a big invitation to backtrack a little bit from the virtual world into the experiential world of Leo.

    And as Venus moves toward Leo, it will be an excellent time to remember our passions and dive into them backwards. They may be creative or romantic, they may be the quest for experience or acknowledging desire -- define passions as you will. Yet where Leo is concerned, we move toward experience rather than our ideas about it. The retrograde implies reconnecting with old passions or those encrypted deep within us. We may want to seek out people we cared for deeply in the past and see how they respond to us today.


    PART OF awareness is the awareness we share with others, and that is called a relationship. Looked at one way, all the divisions I was describing earlier in this article -- such as what we choose or refuse to express to our partners, or ourselves -- are divisions in awareness.

    In much of the territory involving sex and sexuality, we pretend not to be aware of our feelings and our desires. We also can pretend not to be aware of our experience of our past, or how we really feel about it.

    I am aware there are many reasons that we don't share things with our partners.The world can be an extremely isolated and lonely place, and it makes a lot of sense to cling to the love that is available; and to reveal nothing that might threaten it.

    I would suggest this. The current astrology is at least a compelling invitation to reach a degree of unfettered self-awareness: to keep no secrets from yourself, and to tell yourself no lies.
  • i interpreted "alternative" to be open to individual interpretation. and my interpretation was my own style of monogamy, which consists of *wanting* a partner to spend my life with, raise a family, and be 99% solo with, while still being open to the occasional threesome or, as i am bisexual, my having a romantic friendship with another gal if my partner was a boy...or with a boy if my partner was a girl.
    • My husband and I have his daughter to raise (half of the week, literally), but I also have a boyfriend that my husband shares me with (but only in my husband's presence). This is a new (and *delightful*) development! My husband is my primary concern, but I have to admit to having a hard time balancing the new with with the known, as the new is so tempting/consuming, if that makes any sense. It has been so lovely and *fun*, and I feel so very lucky to have two such beautiful men in my life! Don't know if this helps or not, but there it is. :o) I am definitely bisexual, but I have been far more drawn to boys lately, for some strange reason. Honestly, I know that it's *completely* hypocritical, but I am such a jealous girl that I wouldn't feel safe if my partner had a similar situation going as he, my lover, and I have. Color me insecure!
  • I found, personally, that alternative monogamy meant, to me, a relationship so defined as the primary that it could/can be called monogamy.

    I am an alternative monogamist. I do not invite others in easily. I do not seek them, in fact, they tend to find me. I am bisexual, however, have found the love of my life in the man I married and had a child with. He, however, understands, that I am not built, nor was created, for specific monogamy that denies a portion of who I am, and these needs will rise and if denied, rob me of my basic sensibility for a time. This is not to state I am an animal, instead, it is to state I was created that way, and I do not question that.

    I am blessed enough to have a man that finds this to be a beautiful and wonderful thing, rather than a compromise of his manhood or ego. Instead, occasionally, a woman will approach me that was bold enough to approach him, and he states, without compromise, that unless I am there, there is no need to approach me or him further. He, in fact, has been the one to broach bringing in a male, when I had not thought of such. He has no leaning towards bisexuality himself, but a desire to witness what he cannot. Took me a few to bend my brain around that!

    I believe, in our hearts and minds, we all define monogamy differently. Righteously? Perhaps. I would be offended were someone to state I had strayed from my mate, but would not deny I have taken women to our bed. I have not strayed, and I never will. But it has taken a decade for he and I to find the place that meant I could be who I am, and he who he is....

    let alone, post such a message.

    I hope this provides, if only, one point of view on the many and varied definitions of monogamy. Would you care to share yours?
    • Thanks to all who responded. Yes--my version at this time, is that I am in a comitted and wonderful relationship that I call "mostly monogamous". I know that pushes buttons for some, but for me it is accurate. It is a new exploration. I am a lesbian or mostly lesbian...
      ;) My attractions to womyn are fully romantic and sexual, while the attractions to men--well--in some ways it isn't fully an attraction--more of a kink really. So--my partner and I explore some sexuality with men together on occasion (though her involvement/interest in direct physical contact is even more limited than mine). She is open to me playing/being sexual with men on my own too. She doesn't seem to get jealous at all (we have only been together a year and have only had a couple of instances to test this). My partner is not interested in sex with anyone outside of the relationship (except if it were with me too)--which is really great by me, as I tend to be fairly jealous and have never done very well with poly anything for this reason. At first I felt weird having it be one way, but now I am comfortable and can see that it is what is right for her too.

      As far as sex with other womyn--it is territory that is yet to be explored. I kissed a womon in front of my girlfriend. She enjoyed it. But so far, that is all. Well--actually I had a slight intrigue connection with that same womon for a bit, and my girl was fine with it. I am not sure how it will work with womyn though, as it is the opposite of my feelings with men. I don't usually enjoy play that is without some level of romantic feelings.

      I don't want to have other romantic relationships. I don't want to have any other relationships that impinge on my primary relationship, either on the level of feelings or time. I only want one girlfriend (perhaps to be "wife" someday). We are very much in love and would not want to do anything that would negatively impact our relationship. Feels solid with that intention.

      I don't really like to consider myself poly--even though I know many would say that I/we are. But--it feels like it means "many" while what we are doing feels more like *one--with some side dishes here and there*.

      :)

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