Try out Egoscue

topic posted Fri, April 4, 2008 - 7:23 PM by  Anna
Hi guys,

I used to practice / utilize acupuncture but was unhappy with it for a large number of reasons. I am now starting to work with the Egoscue Method and have started a group to explore it here: tribes.tribe.net/egoscue
Egoscue seems to be this wonderful combination of ’old-school’ excercise, pilates, and yoga that just realigns my system. As I do many of the ecises, I feel my chi flowing to my hands and pelvis. And I can do this daily, no needles or doctor required.

I do not work for Egoscue, I am a graduate student. But this system just totally rocked my world and not a lot of people know about it yet. I think that those involved in alternative medicine will really appreciate it.

My best.


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Anna
Los Angeles
  • Re: Try out Egoscue

    Fri, April 4, 2008 - 7:36 PM
    Hi Anna...

    Can you let us know exactly how much relief you've experienced via the Egoscue method?

    Also, I do recommend that you consider contrasting the works of Egoscue with the works of Dr. Jolie Bookspan.... including "The Ab Revolution" and "Fix your own Pain without Drugs or Surgery". There are those who didn't experience results with Egoscue, that have with Bookspan's work.

    The two aren't exactly contradictory. In other words, you can apply the ultra-simple ideology of Bookspan to the practices in Egoscue.

    I like Jolie, also, because she has a great philanthopic nature to her.
    • Re: Try out Egoscue

      Fri, April 4, 2008 - 8:13 PM
      Hi Jason,

      I had encountered Jolie's work about a year ago and purchased all her books on Amazon. I tried her method, and saw nothing new that I had not seen with my yoga practice. Whereas once I began working with the Egoscue Method, the re-alignment and strengthening excercises had immediate impact on my overall health. I started with serious pain in my left knee, elbow, shoulder, and right heel. As I worked with the Method, I felt the pains receeding into the background as my body became stronger and more mobile. I now not only feel better physically, but have much better energy, appetite, digestion, and even life outlook. I am also moving more, I have always been athletic, but now once again always feel the urge to move rather than sit. This is great for my cleaning habits :)

      In all honesty, I have never encountered a Method so well organized and intelligent as the Egoscue Method. I think that Jolie is on the right track, but her writing and presentation is very elementary with very poor grammar, and her stretches offered me nothing new that I had not encountered in yoga. With Egoscue, the system is much better thought out, and thus leads to faster and more permanent results. Also, in the Egoscue book 'Pain Free for Women', Pete really goes the distance and covers the entire human life cycle and offers specific ecises for all generations.

      Phew, sorry about the long reply. But, in conclusion, I don't think that Bookspan and Egoscue are contradictory, and do think that one can be applied to the other, but cautiously. I think that the Egoscue method has a lot more to offer for long term practice and health, but that is just my opinion and if others have found relief with Bookspan than I am delighted for them!
      • Re: Try out Egoscue

        Fri, April 4, 2008 - 9:30 PM
        Hi Anna...

        Great response, thanks for the comprehensive answer! I truly appreciate this excellent dialogue, and value your input.

        In your case, I can definately see why you experienced the results you did.

        I try not to judge people on their grammar, unless they profess to be an English scholar. :o)

        What I found unique about Bookspan's work, is her ideology that posture needs to be consciously maintained outside of daily, or weekly "exercise", and that no amount of excercise will correct a pain response from poor structural posture, as long as the individual carries poor posture outside of excercise.

        Traditional Yoga, from what I have seen, actually increases problems with rounded shoulders and over-arched backs... with those who have such chronic problems. Knowing what I now know, I cringe at some of the traditional Yoga methods... But, that said, I'm predisposed to Chi Gong, anyway! So I am most certainly prejudiced. I offer no apologies.

        In "Egoscue, Pain Free, Workout Series I", they have a few excercises that definately irritate chronic pain problems in the neck area and lower back area. I find this irritating, since they advertise this particular series as a "Pain free workout". They are not very clear in how to eliminate the increase in pain, although they do address it with a few very ambigious verbal blurbs... Such as "if your lower back is hurting, try bringing your knees in"... which indicates a lack of precise understanding on how hyper-arched lower backs cause herniated discs and lower back pain. I view this methodology as irresponsible, but only irresponsible due to lack of precise information, which is provided and scientifically documented by Bookspan.

        ...more specifically, the ab crunches they recommend are terrible if an individual already has a rounded shoulder problem and problems with a forward tilted pelvis. If you don't have a chronic problem with these two issues, then of course there is no problem with the excercises.

        And so, my simple contention is that this issue of structural habits is very important with neck pain and lower back pain... I contend, asking for your kind consideration, that the idea that no excercise will compensate for poor postural habits, and that a conscious awareness of structural loads and balances is paramount to recovery, is very worthy of consideration, and has not been covered by Egoscue ( at least, not in the videos, although I have yet to truly delve into the written works ).

        I contend that Egoscue tends to rely on the contention that as you do all of the excercises, your postural habits will naturally correct themselves. To a certain extent, I do agree. But I question this based on the reported experience of those that didn't recover using the Egoscue method, due to lack of specific information and knowledge on postural structure outside of "excercising", and considering the all to "normal" habits of the average every day person.

        Truly, I am not arguing with Egoscue; I am VERY excited to personally explore the Egoscue method. I think that true wisdom may be gleened from many sources, and that by understanding the true application of the knowledge of each, that a greater practical application may be experienced.

        But, I am certainly open to alternative perspectives! Always!

        ~ Jason
        • Re: Try out Egoscue

          Sat, April 5, 2008 - 7:48 PM
          Hi Jason,

          I *love* this discussion. One of the reasons I am still in academia (trust me, it's not the money) is the ability and freedom to have a critical discussion of any topic. It's a workout for the mind!

          Yes, Bookspan emphasizes that we need to work on our posture in our daily lives. Of-course! You will find that Egoscue incorporates this in this first three chapters of Pain Free quite clearly. He also makes quite clear, and I agree, that many of us have physically forgotten what good posture is. We NEED both: healthy excercise and healthy 'daily living'. There is only one body performing both activities. In Egoscue's philosophy, doing the excercises is like sending yourself to a re-training school - sort of like sending a puppy or a dog to an obedience school. Our bodies have literally forgotten how to move freely and in a healthy manner and we need to be retrained, and then not only allowed, but encouraged to 'go play' in a healthy manner. This will lead to a positive catch-22. The Egoscue method postulates that the more aligned your body becomes, the more it will want to move in an easy manner. His contention is that alignment is what our bodies want, and once they sense it, they will follow its scent everywhere they go. It is much harder to do this without some kind of a system to get the ball rolling.

          I urge you to read the first three chapters of Pain Free or any of the other works, once again, you will see that the philosophy is quite thorough. I believe that the DVDs were created as a 'pain free workout' not a 'workout to get you out of pain'. Also, ab crunches are totally OK as long as they are presented in an integrated workout where the pelvis and shoulders are realigned accordingly. I found this to be a strong focus on both volumes. I'd like to see a DVD geared towards specific pain symptoms, but that's not available yet.

          To me, presentation is critical. Grammar and proper explanation and production of excercises reflects on the organization and development of the system that is being presented. I would not allow my 11-year old brother to write in a sloppy manner, nor a PhD. It's professionalism, that's all. That being said, she is on to the same idea as Egoscue, and I'm not denouncing her at all. There are appreciable differences: such as that Egoscue does ask for a greater arch in the lower back than Bookspan, but both focus on proper flexiblity of hips and shoulders, so that is minor in my opinion.

          Again, I truly believe that forcing a system on another person / group of people is one of the great injustices in this world, and I don't want to be a part of it. Therefore, I am thankful that Bookspan has been helpful to a group of people, and I am thankful that Egoscue is helping me. It's all good. That being said, do read the first three chapters, and let me know what you think :)

          Anna
          • Re: Try out Egoscue

            Sun, April 6, 2008 - 8:29 PM
            Hi Anna -

            Again, another great response. Thank you. I will read the material, and let you know.

            I agree that civil, open-minded and critical discussion is certainly manna for the mind!

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