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But for BoZo Gore having sent these two little children to No Ko to spy they would not be in this position.
Way to go BoZo.
June 9, 2009
N. Korea Sentences 2 U.S. Journalists to 12 Years of Hard Labor
By CHOE SANG-HUN
SEOUL, South Korea — With the Obama administration signaling a tougher response toward Pyongyang after weeks of growing tension, North Korea’s highest court on Monday sentenced two American journalists to 12 years of hard labor, dramatically raising the stakes in its confrontation with the United States.
“This is a high-stakes poker game,” said Bill Richardson, the governor of New Mexico who as a congressman helped negotiate the release of American citizens held in North Korea in the 1990s. He was speaking on NBC’s “Today” show and called the sentence “harsher than expected.”
North Korea’s Central Court convicted the two Americans, Laura Ling and Euna Lee, of “committing hostilities against the Korean nation and illegal entry,” the North’s official news agency, KCNA, said in a report monitored in Seoul.
Ms. Ling, 32, and Ms. Lee, 36, were detained by North Korean soldiers patrolling the border between China and North Korea on March 17.
President Obama was “deeply concerned” by reports of the journalists’ sentencing, the White House said in a statement Monday. The United States is “engaged through all possible channels to secure their release,” the statement said.
The ruling, which cannot be appealed, quashed hopes that the regime might release the journalists as a gesture to ease a standoff with Washington.
But Mr. Richardson, said there may be an opportunity to press for the release of the two journalists. “In previous instances where I was involved in negotiating, you could not get this started until the legal process had ended.” He noted that North Korea had not so far publicly linked the plight of the two women to Pyongyang’s recent nuclear and missile tests.
He said the United States could try to seek a kind of “political pardon, some sort of respite from political proceedings,” The Associated Press reported.
The North’s labor camps are notoriously brutal. International human rights groups and North Korean defectors say detainees are subjected to frequent beatings, hunger and inhumane workloads. Ms. Ling is said to suffer an ulcer, while Ms. Lee has a four-year-old daughter at home.
The sentencing of the journalists came two days after President Obama, meeting President Nicolas Sarkozy in France, signaled a tougher response to North Korea. He said North Korea’s behavior in recent weeks had been “extraordinarily provocative” and added: “”We are not intending to continue a policy of rewarding provocation.”
It was not clear, though, whether those words had influenced the sentencing, which was sterner than many expected.
“The North Koreans meted out a verdict somewhat harsher than I had expected,” said Lee Woo-young, a North Korea specialist at the University of North Korea Studies in Seoul. “But ultimately the verdict doesn’t mean much because this has to be resolved politically in the end.”
When they were detained, Ms. Ling and Ms. Lee were working for Current TV, a San Francisco-based media company co-founded by Al Gore, the former vice president. They were reporting on North Korean refugees who had fled their country. The North charged them with illegally entering North Korean territory.
Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton had called the charges against them “baseless.”
On Sunday, Ms. Clinton indicated that Washington may restore North Korea to its list of state sponsors of terrorism, further isolating the country.
The families of the journalists made no immediate public statement about the court ruling, and Mr. Gore has not spoken publicly about the case. The families had appealed for clemency and said their public reticence was intended to give space for diplomacy.
Mr. Lee of the Sejong Institute said that North Korea would eventually free the two journalists, as Iran expelled Roxana Saberi, an American journalist who spent four months in an Iranian prison before her release on May 11 — but not before Washington sends a prominent special envoy like Mr. Gore to Pyongyang.
In 1996, Mr. Richardson, then a member of Congress, traveled to Pyongyang to negotiate the release of Evan Hunziker, who was held for three months on charges of spying. Mr. Hunziker, apparently drunk, swam across the river border between China and North Korea and was detained. He was also instrumental in negotiations to obtain the release of an American pilot shot down over the North.
Analysts said dispatching a special envoy to free the journalists could provide Washington and Pyongyang an opportunity to reopen dialogue.
But it remained unclear whether Pyongyang was ready for a compromise with the United States.
Some analysts say that its recent hostilities have been driven by domestic political purposes. Kim Jong-il, the nation’s leader, is ailing and reportedly preparing to hand power to his youngest son. Mr. Kim may thus be attempting to secure the support of hardline generals who consider a goodwill gesture toward Washington capitulation.
Defying not only its traditional foes — the United States, Japan and South Korea — but also its longtime ideological allies, China and Russia, North Korea launched a rocket on April 5 in what was widely believed to be a test of its long-range Taepodong-2 missile. On May 25, it conducted its second nuclear test in less than three years.
Way to go BoZo.
June 9, 2009
N. Korea Sentences 2 U.S. Journalists to 12 Years of Hard Labor
By CHOE SANG-HUN
SEOUL, South Korea — With the Obama administration signaling a tougher response toward Pyongyang after weeks of growing tension, North Korea’s highest court on Monday sentenced two American journalists to 12 years of hard labor, dramatically raising the stakes in its confrontation with the United States.
“This is a high-stakes poker game,” said Bill Richardson, the governor of New Mexico who as a congressman helped negotiate the release of American citizens held in North Korea in the 1990s. He was speaking on NBC’s “Today” show and called the sentence “harsher than expected.”
North Korea’s Central Court convicted the two Americans, Laura Ling and Euna Lee, of “committing hostilities against the Korean nation and illegal entry,” the North’s official news agency, KCNA, said in a report monitored in Seoul.
Ms. Ling, 32, and Ms. Lee, 36, were detained by North Korean soldiers patrolling the border between China and North Korea on March 17.
President Obama was “deeply concerned” by reports of the journalists’ sentencing, the White House said in a statement Monday. The United States is “engaged through all possible channels to secure their release,” the statement said.
The ruling, which cannot be appealed, quashed hopes that the regime might release the journalists as a gesture to ease a standoff with Washington.
But Mr. Richardson, said there may be an opportunity to press for the release of the two journalists. “In previous instances where I was involved in negotiating, you could not get this started until the legal process had ended.” He noted that North Korea had not so far publicly linked the plight of the two women to Pyongyang’s recent nuclear and missile tests.
He said the United States could try to seek a kind of “political pardon, some sort of respite from political proceedings,” The Associated Press reported.
The North’s labor camps are notoriously brutal. International human rights groups and North Korean defectors say detainees are subjected to frequent beatings, hunger and inhumane workloads. Ms. Ling is said to suffer an ulcer, while Ms. Lee has a four-year-old daughter at home.
The sentencing of the journalists came two days after President Obama, meeting President Nicolas Sarkozy in France, signaled a tougher response to North Korea. He said North Korea’s behavior in recent weeks had been “extraordinarily provocative” and added: “”We are not intending to continue a policy of rewarding provocation.”
It was not clear, though, whether those words had influenced the sentencing, which was sterner than many expected.
“The North Koreans meted out a verdict somewhat harsher than I had expected,” said Lee Woo-young, a North Korea specialist at the University of North Korea Studies in Seoul. “But ultimately the verdict doesn’t mean much because this has to be resolved politically in the end.”
When they were detained, Ms. Ling and Ms. Lee were working for Current TV, a San Francisco-based media company co-founded by Al Gore, the former vice president. They were reporting on North Korean refugees who had fled their country. The North charged them with illegally entering North Korean territory.
Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton had called the charges against them “baseless.”
On Sunday, Ms. Clinton indicated that Washington may restore North Korea to its list of state sponsors of terrorism, further isolating the country.
The families of the journalists made no immediate public statement about the court ruling, and Mr. Gore has not spoken publicly about the case. The families had appealed for clemency and said their public reticence was intended to give space for diplomacy.
Mr. Lee of the Sejong Institute said that North Korea would eventually free the two journalists, as Iran expelled Roxana Saberi, an American journalist who spent four months in an Iranian prison before her release on May 11 — but not before Washington sends a prominent special envoy like Mr. Gore to Pyongyang.
In 1996, Mr. Richardson, then a member of Congress, traveled to Pyongyang to negotiate the release of Evan Hunziker, who was held for three months on charges of spying. Mr. Hunziker, apparently drunk, swam across the river border between China and North Korea and was detained. He was also instrumental in negotiations to obtain the release of an American pilot shot down over the North.
Analysts said dispatching a special envoy to free the journalists could provide Washington and Pyongyang an opportunity to reopen dialogue.
But it remained unclear whether Pyongyang was ready for a compromise with the United States.
Some analysts say that its recent hostilities have been driven by domestic political purposes. Kim Jong-il, the nation’s leader, is ailing and reportedly preparing to hand power to his youngest son. Mr. Kim may thus be attempting to secure the support of hardline generals who consider a goodwill gesture toward Washington capitulation.
Defying not only its traditional foes — the United States, Japan and South Korea — but also its longtime ideological allies, China and Russia, North Korea launched a rocket on April 5 in what was widely believed to be a test of its long-range Taepodong-2 missile. On May 25, it conducted its second nuclear test in less than three years.
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Re: BoZo Condemns 2 girls to 12 years in NoKo Prison
Mon, June 8, 2009 - 8:16 AMMaybe Big mouth should not have classified North Korea as part of the "Axis of Evil". Since then, relationship with North Korea fell apart. Did you bother to notice that. You can blame who ever you want, generally it will be someone on the Left for you Cliff. Did you attempt to understand what the Puppet said. Since the "Do Boy for the Rich" opened his big yap, relations with all the countries that are part of the Axis of Evil tended to distrust that Adminastration, since then you hit Iraq, propogandized Iran and woke up the North Koreans, created fear and then milked the media with bullshit to alarm the public. Those Girls were adults, they went there and now they got to deal with this shit. Sure its a set up, they always are. -
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Re: BoZo Condemns 2 girls to 12 years in NoKo Prison
Mon, June 8, 2009 - 8:44 AMBush did nothing but state the obvious. It's been an obvious fact since the end of the Korean war. Not one day has passed when it wasn't an obvious fact.
What ~ ~ ~ ~ you think that treating monsters nicely will coax them to change into something other than monsters?
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Re: BoZo Condemns 2 girls to 12 years in NoKo Prison
Mon, June 8, 2009 - 8:57 AMNK is crazy in an Orwellian way -- I suspect though a diplomatic overture will be used to release them early? -
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Re: BoZo Condemns 2 girls to 12 years in NoKo Prison
Mon, June 8, 2009 - 6:43 PM>> I suspect though a diplomatic overture will be used to release them early? <<
I wouldn't hold my breath. they want concessions. there will be no overtures.
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Re: BoZo Condemns 2 girls to 12 years in NoKo Prison
Mon, June 8, 2009 - 8:59 AM---Bush did nothing but state the obvious.---
Bush "created the problem"!!!!!!!!! Bush was told to create this situation, he takes his orders seriously. Notice the Republican party comes out with these nifty cliches' "Axis of Evil" sound like a new video game. I wonder if they pondered "Axis of Deceit", I am sure they could market that one too! Its easy, they own the liberal media. All they got to do is add a bit of spin.
--What ~ ~ ~ ~ you think that treating monsters nicely will coax them to change into something other than monsters?--
Gee Cliff, I didn't notice that Iran invaded Iraq, and North Korea invaded Afgansitan. Shit, Iran just ended a massive war because Saddam the sock puppet for the CIA invaded. Then Iran got guns from you guys...Irancontra...exactly what monsters are you talking about, the corporate monsters. Do you think the people of the Middle East are going to be buddy buddy with the US in the near future like Yesterday!!
Do yourself a favour, when you look at these situation, try detaching yourself and your conditioning and see it for what it is.....Bullshit. -
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Re: BoZo Condemns 2 girls to 12 years in NoKo Prison
Mon, June 8, 2009 - 11:18 AMThere are no wack job conspiracy theories allowed here.
Take all psychotic crap over to the POLITICS tribe where madness reigns.
They can't treat it 'cause to them psychosis is normal.
On the off chance that this remark:
***************Bush "created the problem"!!!!!!!!! Bush was told to create this situation, he takes his orders seriously. ***********
is not the stuff of psychopathic conspiracy theories, ( on the off chance that it's not ) I'll say this:
No Ko has always been a horrible despotic shit hole run by the world's craziest tyrants since the Korean war.
Bush did not create anything at all over there.
Axis of Evil was just Rah Rah Propaganda of the sort that you'd expect of any administration. His was merely stupid sounding too much of the time and Bush W., was obsessed with an inflexible concept of all right or all wrong. It was the Geebus Freak Recovering Alcoholic in him.
Iran Contra:
"It began as an operation to improve U.S.-Iranian relations, wherein Israel would ship weapons to a relatively moderate, politically influential group of Iranians; the U.S. would then resupply Israel and receive the Israeli payment. The Iranian recipients promised to do everything in their power to achieve the release of six U.S. hostages, who were being held by the Lebanese Shia Islamist group Hezbollah, who were unknowingly connected to the Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution. The plan eventually deteriorated into an arms-for-hostages scheme, in which members of the executive branch sold weapons to Iran in exchange for the release of the American hostages.[1][2] Large modifications to the plan were conjured by Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North of the National Security Council in late 1985, in which a portion of the proceeds from the weapon sales was diverted to fund anti-Sandinista and anti-communist rebels, or Contras, in Nicaragua.[3] While President Ronald Reagan was a supporter of the Contra cause,[4] no evidence has been found showing that he authorized this plan"
This (above quote) is the simplest and most straight forward bare bones explanation of Iran Contra. I understand that leaving the Rothschild family and the Illuminati and John Todd and the International cult of witches and a secret puppet government out of the picture prolly drives you bat shit but that's too bad. I left the Space Aliens out too.
I prefer the sane understandable explanation that fits the facts and requires no psychosis to "really see the really real truth that they really really don't want you to see."
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Re: BoZo Condemns 2 girls to 12 years in NoKo Prison
Thu, June 11, 2009 - 5:03 PM>>>Bush "created the problem"!!!!!!!!! Bush was told to create this situation, he takes his orders seriously. Notice the Republican party comes out with these nifty cliches' "Axis of Evil" sound like a new video game. I wonder if they pondered "Axis of Deceit", I am sure they could market that one too! Its easy, they own the liberal media. All they got to do is add a bit of spin.<<<
Bush aggravated the problem, however, in the end NK has always been a Pariah State. It does not give a damn about anyones rights or international law -- when it wants something... -
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Re: BoZo Condemns 2 girls to 12 years in NoKo Prison
Thu, June 11, 2009 - 7:14 PMwhatever, we should get them back and we should lay it out for Kim. . .straighten up or else. . -
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Re: BoZo Condemns 2 girls to 12 years in NoKo Prison
Fri, June 12, 2009 - 8:34 AMNo chance of that. NoKo is in the middle of a power grab.
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Re: BoZo Condemns 2 girls to 12 years in NoKo Prison
Fri, June 12, 2009 - 8:53 AMyeah, i'd just be crazier than he is. . .or maybe play the China card. . -
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Re: BoZo Condemns 2 girls to 12 years in NoKo Prison
Fri, June 12, 2009 - 1:26 PMWar with No Ko would be a particularly ugly thing.
A ground war is unwinnable because of the terrain the size of their army and their willingness to throw bodies at us till we run out of bullets and the immeasurable weakness of the US civilian population . By the time the US got them well under control the people would have grown impatient - just exactly as they did with Iraq.
An air dominance posture won't work because every body who is any body will be holed up in deep mountain bunkers till we go away and let the people take it on the chin.
Nukes won't work because China would lose its mind.
NoKo is cognizant of the unique position they hold.
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Re: BoZo Condemns 2 girls to 12 years in NoKo Prison
Fri, June 12, 2009 - 3:15 PMi wouldn't wage war to hold territory, that is actually an obsolete concept in many situations. i think it is possible to huddle with China and Japan ( separately ) and work out a non-humanitarian strategy that would involve the carrot and the stick. . .the stick would never have to be used, although a small demonstration or two might be necessary. . -
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Fri, June 12, 2009 - 4:25 PMEssentially all of South Korea is the hostage to the North Korean regime – that is nearly 50 million people… -
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Fri, June 12, 2009 - 4:29 PMthat's a good way to put it. . .
there are some key pressures that could be applied to NK that should be exercised. they should be warned first and it would be necessary to line up China, SK and Japan to make it happen, but I do believe that it is doable. . -
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Re: BoZo Condemns 2 girls to 12 years in NoKo Prison
Fri, June 12, 2009 - 4:31 PMbut then again, maybe it is just best to wait it out. . .his number one son is not in line for the throne, he's not the dictatorial type. . .maybe there's some promise with the offspring.
but I think it would be valuable to forge a strong political front with China and this could be the means to do it. . .we also need to make sure that China knows we are capable of playing hardball. . .and that they want to please us for mutual benefit. .
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Re: BoZo Condemns 2 girls to 12 years in NoKo Prison
Sat, June 13, 2009 - 7:43 PM****************the stick would never have to be used, ****************
You are not so naive as to actually believe this are you?
Behold:
I give you Hitler's happy little scamper across the fucking weaklings in Europe who were so sure he'd never actually do it.
For their certainty of their insane proposition 70 million people paid with their lives, and all because cowards feared to act when action was necessary.
There is no one so generous as he who plays with some one else's money and none so horrible as he who stakes other people's lives on ill considered Polly-Anna visions of the world that over the course of all known history have always been wrong.
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Re: BoZo Condemns 2 girls to 12 years in NoKo Prison
Sat, June 13, 2009 - 10:10 PMI think that having the stick and we have a very big stick and showing how it might be used will be enough. Having a strong force nearby is of course essential. I do think a demonstration of our resolve might be necessary every now and then, but no. . .I don't think the stick will ever have to be used.
when the dictators are gone from NK, they are going to be the happiest teddybears on the planet. . -
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Re: BoZo Condemns 2 girls to 12 years in NoKo Prison
Sat, June 13, 2009 - 10:19 PM
I think our stick needs a little viagara. there isn't a thing we can do about it.
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Re: BoZo Condemns 2 girls to 12 years in NoKo Prison
Sat, June 13, 2009 - 10:42 PMYeah, Obama needs to show that he can play with the big boys. . .I don't care if anything changes in NK but I want them to leave our friends and citizens alone. The only thing I can think of that will accomplish that is to scare the hell out of them. . -
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Re: BoZo Condemns 2 girls to 12 years in NoKo Prison
Sun, June 14, 2009 - 8:47 AMLorenzo you are working contradictions into a strange brew.
NoKo Doesn't give a rat's ass what the US says. The newly emerging "Dear Leader" has to prove his bones to the whole world and especially to his military who need to be cowed into line.
The US can't wander about with a big stick and expect any one to take it seriously unless it is willing to use it.
Take for example the notion of blowing up a NoKo missile on the launch pad. The US military can do it but what then. That'll just make them crazy angry. It'll back them into a position from which the only way out is through South Korea.
Our Dear Leader hasn't got the balls for a confrontation. He surely hasn't got the stones to start what could easily be a war with China and NoKo on the same side. -
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Re: BoZo Condemns 2 girls to 12 years in NoKo Prison
Sun, June 14, 2009 - 8:57 AMhe very well may not. . .it remains to be seen. one problem with liberals is they are too goody two shoes and that's not the way the world works.
but it is possible to develop and implement a strategy that will make Kim shut up. . .but as you said, Obama probably doesn't have it. .
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Re: BoZo Condemns 2 girls to 12 years in NoKo Prison
Mon, June 15, 2009 - 8:01 AM*********I think that having the stick and we have a very big stick and showing how it might be used ************
As an aside: How exactly does one demonstrate that he is willing to use that pistol he's got strapped to his hip?
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Re: BoZo Condemns 2 girls to 12 years in NoKo Prison
Mon, June 15, 2009 - 12:23 PMthings are rapidly changing. . .China and Russia are having a meeting this week to discuss dumping the dollar. If that happens we won't likely be able to work with China more closely against NK. . .that kind of deflates my plan. -
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Re: BoZo Condemns 2 girls to 12 years in NoKo Prison
Tue, June 16, 2009 - 6:57 AMI still want to know how you propose to demonstrate that willingness use that pistol strapped to one's hip?
As to China's rejecting the DOllar?
HA HA HA HA HA HA
If they do it'll be the end of the Democrat party.
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Re: BoZo Condemns 2 girls to 12 years in NoKo Prison
Tue, June 16, 2009 - 9:00 AMI would work out a plan with Japan to develop a strategy that uses unofficial leaks, posturing, etc. to intimidate NK and pressure China to crack down on NK. One of the things that would be used would be to "allow" Chinese agents to think they had discovered a program in Japan that is positioning them to rapidly develop nuclear weapons. A Japanese politician would drunkenly boast that Japan will soon have the capability of teaching NK a lesson.
We need to test China to see how they stack up. One way to do that is to plant some false information with China that is not public knowledge and then see if the information was passed on to NK.
What comes out of the summit in Russia will be a key factor. . .if nothing significant comes from that I would draw closer to China, actually. . .to develop a closer relationship and use that to get what we want from NK. I think that is possible. We have instead browbeat China every chance we get and treated them as if they are our number one enemy. It should be possible to move China into a position where they act to curb NK as needed. Its not like NK has any other friends.
It also seems possible that we could use a test of power to send NK a signal.
these are just some rudimentary thoughts. Neither China or NK would like a re-armed and potentially aggressive Japan. . .so we play the Japan card to get China to influence NK, while at the same time offering the carrot. -
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Re: BoZo Condemns 2 girls to 12 years in NoKo Prison
Tue, June 16, 2009 - 10:46 AMIf I understand you correctly you said that you'd use unofficial third parties, second hand misinformation, and bald faced lies to raise the specter that you were fully willing and ready to invade? That any one in NoKo would so much as hiccup at this?
What would you do if they called your bluff?
They would you know.
They'd call your bluff in grand fashion making a loud spectacle.
So what would you then do?
As an aside: You aren't president so what will the Treason in Chief do?
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Re: BoZo Condemns 2 girls to 12 years in NoKo Prison
Tue, June 16, 2009 - 12:10 PMi didn't say anything about invading. .
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