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A pack of crap which not one of them has even read passed in the house by a mere 5 votes
I predict it's demise in the Senate.
I predict that the votes on this pack of crap will be used by Republicans to slaughter Democrats in 2010
I predict it's demise in the Senate.
I predict that the votes on this pack of crap will be used by Republicans to slaughter Democrats in 2010
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Re: Well the idiots have got some rediculous pack of crap passed
Sun, November 8, 2009 - 7:30 AMPage 94 - Section 202(c) prohibits the sale of private individual health insurance policies, beginning in 2013, forcing individuals to purchase coverage through the federal government
Page 110 - Section 222(e) requires the use of federal dollars to fund abortions through the government-run health plan—and, if the Hyde Amendment were ever not renewed, would require the plan to fund elective abortions
Page 111 - Section 223 establishes a new board of federal bureaucrats (the “Health Benefits Advisory Committee”) to dictate the health plans that all individuals must purchase.
Page 211 - Section 321 establishes a new government-run health plan that, according to non-partisan actuaries at the Lewin Group, would cause as many as 114 million Americans to lose their existing coverage
Page 225 - Section 330 permits—but does not require—Members of Congress to enroll in government-run health care
Page 255 - Section 345 includes language requiring verification of income for individuals wishing to receive federal health care subsidies under the bill—while the bill includes a requirement for applicants to verify their citizenship, it does not include a similar requirement to verify applicants’ identity, thus encouraging identity fraud for undocumented immigrants and others wishing to receive taxpayer-subsidized health benefits
Page 297 - Section 501 imposes a 2.5 percent tax on all individuals who do not purchase “bureaucrat-approved” health insurance - the tax would apply on individuals with incomes under $250,000, thus breaking a central promise of then-Senator Obama’s presidential campaign
Page 313 - Section 512 imposes an 8 percent “tax on jobs” for firms that cannot afford to purchase “bureaucrat-approved” health coverage; according to an analysis by Harvard Professor Kate Baicker, such a tax would place millions “at substantial risk of unemployment”—with minority workers losing their jobs at twice the rate of their white counterparts.
Page 336 - Section 551 imposes additional job-killing taxes, in the form of a half-trillion dollar “surcharge,” more than half of which will hit small businesses; according to a model developed by President Obama’s senior economic advisor, such taxes could cost up to 5.5 million jobs
Page 520 - Section 1161 cuts more than $150 billion from Medicare Advantage plans, potentially jeopardizing millions of seniors’ existing coverage
Page 733 - Section 1401 establishes a new Center for Comparative Effectiveness Research; the bill includes no provisions preventing the government-run health plan from using such research to deny access to life-saving treatments on cost grounds, similar to Britain’s National Health Service, which denies patient treatments costing more than £35,000
Page 1174 - Section 1802(b) includes provisions entitled “TAXES ON CERTAIN INSURANCE POLICIES” to fund comparative effectiveness research, breaking Speaker Pelosi’s promise that “We will not be taxing [health] benefits in any bill that passes the House,” and the President’s promise not to raise taxes on families with incomes under $250,000
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Re: Well the idiots have got some rediculous pack of crap passed
Sun, November 8, 2009 - 7:36 AM>Page 313 - Section 512 imposes an 8 percent “tax on jobs” for firms that cannot afford to purchase “bureaucrat-approved” health coverage;
that's enough for me to nix it. half of why i want national health care is to free businesses from the burden of paying for health care, unlike the businesses from other lands that they have to compete with. .
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Re: Well the idiots have got some rediculous pack of crap passed
Sun, November 8, 2009 - 11:20 AM
it will be hacked in the senate. but something will be passed. -
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Re: Well the idiots have got some rediculous pack of crap passed
Sun, November 8, 2009 - 7:51 PMIt will look like "something" has be done -- even though not much of anything has been... -
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Re: Well the idiots have got some rediculous pack of crap passed
Sun, November 8, 2009 - 8:41 PMexactly. . .and more's the pity. we may disagree about how national health will impact a variety of issues.
but if we had an excellent national health and public health system, so many problems would just move out of the way.
there are so many sick people that don't need to be and that lowers the level of productivity of workers and also lowers the quality of health for others. . .not to mention the waste of dollars.
i'd also like american automakers, as one example, not to have to pay over a thousand dollars per car just to cover health insurance, but instead have some of that money go into r&d and some into price reduction, just as an example. it affects every industry.
i want a robust america that continues to have the dominant economy, the highest worker productivity, etc etc etc. .
i just think we have to get the health system down or we can't do it. . .not to say that's the only thing that needs changing. . .lol.
( now lorenzo ducks )
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Re: Well the idiots have got some rediculous pack of crap passed
Mon, November 9, 2009 - 6:17 AMYah the Senate will whittle it away.
However the very idea is a joke.
Who told us that the health care system was broken and needed to be screwed around with by a pack of moronic ass backwards politicians?
If the system were broken I'd know because I use it and it ain't broke.
If I wanted a fix for medical care delivery I sure as hell wouldn't go to politicians.
That's like hiring the elementary teacher to repair the front end of your car or do brain surgery.
Government is a necessary evil (emphasis on evil) for any society larger than a few hundred people.
Turning to government as if it were some magical super nanny is pure insanity.