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Re: Thanks for sending me to college Mom and Dad.
Fri, February 9, 2007 - 10:42 AMMakes me glad I cannot tolerate alcohol well...
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Re: Thanks for sending me to college Mom and Dad.
Fri, February 9, 2007 - 11:03 AMMy son is 12 years old, very smart, and should get a good education. But I just wonder if "traditional" education is all it is cracked up to be anymore????
I went to college, and I did party a bit, but I don't remember the emphasis on partying and trying to emulate idiots on MTV? Am I just being nostalgic? Why do kids go to college today??
I would posit that it is not to get a high paying job. It would seem that traditional colleges do little more than get you put to the front of the line at the Walmart application. Maybe not even that. If all college is a mandatory step to the next degree (MBA, JD, PHD, MD, ETC.) I guess that is ok, but look at all the billions who never graduated from college????
What is the real benefit to college today? And does it justify the rising costs???
PS: I read an interesting article in the Economists on watchmakers. 2 year program leads to starting pay of $55,000.00, and double that in 2 to 3 years. That is for people who fix other peoples fine watches. Not true watchmakers. A true watchmaker can virtually print their own cash. -
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Re: Thanks for sending me to college Mom and Dad.
Fri, February 9, 2007 - 12:51 PMThe best under graduate education available today is at the upper tire private schools.
If you send your kid to a public university the dangers of out of control kids won't be the only problem The schools themselves are mostly shit. Classes of 2 and 3 hundred being taught by some adjunct who is working on his masters. Professors who structure their tests so any one can pass. It's really shabby.
At graduate and post doc the same public schools are among the best in the world.
Depending on what they want to study public undergraduate schools can be quite good if the kids are highly self disciplined. Example : NJIT in New Jersey is a really good technical school and it's public. -
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Re: Thanks for sending me to college Mom and Dad.
Fri, February 9, 2007 - 2:16 PMC you ROCK
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Re: Thanks for sending me to college Mom and Dad.
Fri, February 9, 2007 - 3:32 PMactually I was suggesting that there might be quite appealing alternatives to college. I frankly don't think that colleges do very much anymore. The private ones a little better, but at such a cost. When you analyze them on simple economic basis, is there a valid reason to go to college?
(Again, let's assume no higher degree goals.) -
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Re: Thanks for sending me to college Mom and Dad.
Fri, February 9, 2007 - 7:51 PMHey, we all do stupid things when were kids; even if we are legal adults -- such is life... -
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Re: Thanks for sending me to college Mom and Dad.
Sat, February 10, 2007 - 9:15 AMI am trying to point out, not that we do stupid things as kids (of course that is true), but that there is an attitude that if you do not go to college you are doomed to be a loser. Maybe that was the case 20 years or so ago, but I wonder if that is true now? When you compare the cost of college and compare it to the benefit you get after finishing college, I suggest it is simply a bad economic choice for many if not most students. For 4 years you learn little that is useful, spend an enormous amount of money, and come out with virtually no useful skills. The level of college education has gone down, the price has gone up, and the effectiveness is questionable.
Again, why go to college? -
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Re: Thanks for sending me to college Mom and Dad.
Sat, February 10, 2007 - 1:37 PMWell every tradesman I know is so busy they turn away clients.
They even black list bitchy ones so no one will take their work.
The guy who mows my neighbor's lawn makes between $75 and $100 Grand (TAX FREE) a year.
The fuking lawn mower man.
College isn't the be all and end all.
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Re: Thanks for sending me to college Mom and Dad.
Sun, February 11, 2007 - 7:04 PM>> but that there is an attitude that if you do not go to college you are doomed to be a loser. Maybe that was the case 20 years or so ago, but I wonder if that is true now?<<
bingo! forcing a four year degree down the throat of every idiot is about money and power.
the worst abuse for college requirements shows up in the General Education requirements that were mandated in the state of California. It adds about an extra year or so to kids college stays while they queue up for classes in gender equality, ethics, etc... -
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Re: Thanks for sending me to college Mom and Dad.
Mon, February 12, 2007 - 8:43 AMI look at my children, and I want them to have the best. But frankly, I find it difficult to strongly defend the "education" policy of sending kids to college without question. I suspect they will go to college, and I hope they go to good colleges that focus on education and skills a bit more. But if one of my kids comes to me and says, "Hey Dad, I just want to work on motorcycles. That is what I really love to do." I am going to find it very difficult to force the kid to go to college when he will learn less in college than if he makes a habit of visiting the library once a week, and he will most definitely make less money and be stifled by a backward attitude to business and life.
When I was growing up the answer would be, "Go to college then go and start your motorcycle hobby on the side. If it works out great, if not you have your 'career'."
I must admit I am confused.
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