Obama Destroying America. . .

topic posted Fri, July 10, 2009 - 10:45 AM by  lorenzo
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  • Re: Obama Destroying America. . .

    Fri, July 10, 2009 - 12:31 PM
    Imagine the dinner table the night that made the media?
    Even his body posture is pretty damn strong.

    On the destroying America theme:
    www.blackvoices.com/boards/c...ack/364/1
    That is one strongly worded Op Ed.


    Hussein said:
    “The only involvement I’ve had with ACORN was I represented them alongside the U.S. Justice Department in making Illinois implement a motor-voter law that helped people get registered at DMVs.”

    Remember that? It was October 15, 2008 during a debate with McCain.
    His Propaganda and lie propagation website which he named: “fightthesmears.com” claimed he never worked for Acorn
    The web site did parrot what Hussein said

    Saying that Candidate Hussein sued Illinois for ACORN and won in 1995 forcing the state to follow Federal “Motor Voter” registration law.

    **********************…BUT…*****************

    Toni Foulkes spilled the beans: “We have invited Obama to our leadership training sessions to run the session on power every year, and, as a result, many of our newly developing leaders got to know him before he ever ran for office. Thus, it was natural for many of us to be active volunteers in his first campaign for State Senate and then his failed bid for U.S. Congress.” Foulkes added: “By the time he ran for U.S. Senate, we were old friends.”

    www.clevelandleader.com/node/7203
    socialpolicy.org/index.php
    sweetness-light.com/archive/...for-acorn

    “””But according to Sam Graham-Felsen, who blogs on the Obama campaign’s Web site, Mr. Obama himself linked his 1992 work to Acorn in a meeting with Acorn’s leaders in November.
    “Even before I was an elected official, when I ran Project Vote voter registration drives in Illinois, Acorn was smack dab in the middle of it, and we appreciate your work,” Mr. Obama said, according to a post Mr. Graham-Felsen made in February.” www.nytimes.com/2008/10/11...1acorn.html

    And
    “In 1992, Mr. Obama was personally involved in voter registration efforts when he served as director of Project Vote in Chicago, helping to register 150,000 voters on the South Side. His success was widely written about at the time and credited with helping to elect Senator Carol Moseley Braun, the first African-American woman in the Senate.”
    www.nytimes.com/2008/10/11...1acorn.html


    www.wnd.com/index.php
    www.wnd.com/index.php


    But it gets better:

    ACORN is the modern incarnation of the National Welfare Rights Organization.
    www.examiner.com/x-13415-R...s-its-name
    It’s goal was to dispose of all barriers to welfare for everyone. The idea being to max out the burden on government and collapse the economy and the government.
    It was nutty stupid silly crap but that’s what they wanted.
    www.examiner.com/x-1527-NY...s-in-Court
    www.examiner.com/blog/prin...ticles.cfm
    www.examiner.com/x-7715-Po...same-cloth

    Hussein, Pelosi and Reed appear to be forwarding NWRO’s ridiculous goal.
    Pelosi and Reed only because they are to fukin stupid to understand the law of unintended consequences and are too infantile and selfish to have a sense of delayed gratification.


    it is the Cloward-Piven Strategy and Hussein seems to be ploughing forward ( or backwards) with it.
    www.discoverthenetworks.org/grou...e.asp


    Cloward and Piven were students of inspired by Saul Alinsky ( he was Hillary Clinton’s mentor) Alinsky was a wild eyed communist. In his book Rules for Radicals (1989) Alinsky wrote: “Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules,”
    His idea was to break the system by burying it in a constant stream of demands that it adhere to the minutia of every conceivable rule, law, promise, or implied promise.
    The idea is a brilliant and simple one: No system is flawless and perfect. ERGO: you can wreck any system by forcing it to try to be perfect following its own imperfect rules.
    Alinsky wanted to destroy the existing form p of social order and replace it with the flawed and horribly artificial one of communism

    www.vcn.bc.ca/citizens-ha...k/rules.html





    • Re: Obama Destroying America. . .

      Fri, July 10, 2009 - 12:45 PM
      Rule 1: Power is not only what you have, but what an opponent thinks you have. If your organization is small, hide your numbers in the dark and raise a din that will make everyone think you have many more people than you do.

      Rule 2: Never go outside the experience of your people.
      The result is confusion, fear, and retreat.

      Rule 3: Whenever possible, go outside the experience of an opponent. Here you want to cause confusion, fear, and retreat.

      Rule 4: Make opponents live up to their own book of rules. “You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.”

      Rule 5: Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It’s hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.

      Rule 6: A good tactic is one your people enjoy. “If your people aren’t having a ball doing it, there is something very wrong with the tactic.”

      Rule 7: A tactic that drags on for too long becomes a drag. Commitment may become ritualistic as people turn to other issues.

      Rule 8: Keep the pressure on. Use different tactics and actions and use all events of the period for your purpose. “The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition. It is this that will cause the opposition to react to your advantage.”

      Rule 9: The threat is more terrifying than the thing itself. When Alinsky leaked word that large numbers of poor people were going to tie up the washrooms of O’Hare Airport, Chicago city authorities quickly agreed to act on a longstanding commitment to a ghetto organization. They imagined the mayhem as thousands of passengers poured off airplanes to discover every washroom occupied. Then they imagined the international embarrassment and the damage to the city’s reputation.

      Rule 10: The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative. Avoid being trapped by an opponent or an interviewer who says, “Okay, what would you do?”

      Rule 11: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it. Don’t try to attack abstract corporations or bureaucracies. Identify a responsible individual. Ignore attempts to shift or spread the blame.
      • Re: Obama Destroying America. . .

        Fri, July 10, 2009 - 12:53 PM
        Thanks for the reminder. . .Rules for Radicals was published in 1971, just a year before Alinsky died.
        • Re: Obama Destroying America. . .

          Fri, July 10, 2009 - 1:03 PM

          The NWRO’s effect on NYC was astonishing.
          The cities welfare population skyrocketed. From a 12% annual increase in the early 1960s and bolted to 50% percent during the first 2 years of Mayor John Lindsay's last term.
          In 1960 NYC had 150,000 welfare recipients. In 1970 there were better than 1.5 million.
          This was all the result of the Economic Sabotage of the NWRO applying the Cloward-Piven strategy and in 1975 they drove NYC into bankruptcy.

        • you can still find copies.

          Fri, July 10, 2009 - 1:23 PM
          • Re: you can still find copies.

            Fri, July 10, 2009 - 1:44 PM
            yeah, I lent my copy out several times until it never came back, thanks for the link.

            here's a link for you. . .some might call it a distraction, some might call it an incentive.

            images.google.com/images
            • Re: you can still find copies.

              Fri, July 10, 2009 - 1:50 PM
              the NRWO did what it could and no more. . .we have to remember that America is still a young nation, and relatively immature or perhaps underdeveloped in terms of social and political sophistication. . .

              we need to change that really fast or we could go down. . .

              in a healthy, mature political culture the different segments of the society work to oppose each other, cooperate with each other, so that workable solutions to our common problems can arise. however, sometimes things get way distorted because of some values powering their way to the top without a corresponding developments that balance things out.

              in other words, we don't like to see poverty, but the answer is not to throw a huge amount of cash at it. . .it is to structure the situation so that those who are poor are allowed better access to the tools for success, without creating a dependency that sucks away resources from others.

              in other words, half measures, well meaning misconstrued efforts aren't enough and in fact can become harmful.

              but focusing on these matters also takes away energy from more pressing issues. . .in this time we have to focus on restructuring the fundamentals so that we can all advance. .
              • Re: you can still find copies.

                Fri, July 10, 2009 - 2:39 PM
                ***********the NRWO did what it could and no more.************

                Thank god it ran out of gas.


                **********. .we have to remember that America is still a young nation, and relatively immature or perhaps underdeveloped in terms of social and political sophistication.**********

                That entire thesis is rooted in European snobbery and pseudo intellectualism.
                The European experience of being always on top of each other has led to a form of “terms” that the USA does not need to emulate. They call it sophistication, I call it incest.



                ***********we need to change that really fast or we could go down. .**********

                Poppycock Balderdash ~!!!!

                **********in a healthy, mature political culture the different segments of the society work to oppose each other, cooperate with each other, so that workable solutions to our common problems can arise.*************

                In an ideal maybe one with no flawed humans. Maybe in a computer? Prolly not even there.
                In a real culture with humans the cooperation is the result of mutually shared interests leading to mutual arrangements. Conflict arises from perceived or real conflicts of those interests one with another.

                *********however, sometimes things get way distorted because of some values powering their way to the top without a corresponding developments that balance things out.**********

                Value is the thing that all humans seek. If personas pursuit of value depreciates or interferes with Person B’s pursuit or possession of value there is conflict.


                ********in other words, we don't like to see poverty, but the answer is not to throw a huge amount of cash at it. . .it is to structure the situation so that those who are poor are allowed better access to the tools for success, without creating a dependency that sucks away resources from others.***********


                You have described an ideal that you can’t explain.

                The ideal chair is one in which a person may recline at leisure and rest for endless periods without becoming stiff or rubbing any spot too much and at the same time will allow the user to sit at alert state continually pursuing whatever one might pursue while seated.

                It is an ideal I can have in my head when I set about to build a chair but Lorenzo, I shall never build or find that ideal chair. The ideal chair would defy the very nature of the materials I’d use to build it. It would defy the laws of physics. It can never exist.

                Your ideal society denies human nature. Humans are competitive bastards to the core.


                *********in other words, half measures, well meaning misconstrued efforts aren't enough and in fact can become harmful.*********

                Some might say that any measure is harmful.
                Look: You go to Africa and distribute -free- mosquito nets for people to hang around their sleeping mats so they don’t get malaria.
                It’s great ~!! People live better happier more malaria free lives.
                They produce more babies to feed on the weak impoverished soils
                The free nets destroy the local net producers who were working toward a sustainable economic model.
                It’s one step forward and three backward.


                **********but focusing on these matters also takes away energy from more pressing issues. . .in this time we have to focus on restructuring the fundamentals so that we can all advance.************

                You say “restructure fundamentals so we can advance.” And I hear “uproot everything that has worked so very well for so very long and replace it with a lot of made up unproven crap.” What’s worse, it’s crap that has proved to be unworkable and destructive over and over again every single time a large population experimented with it. You want to take the nation down the same road that the Chinese, North Korea, Cuba, Russia, and Nazis went down. The road you seek is the same that Angola, Benin, Democratic Republic of Congo, Ethiopia, Somalia, Eritrea, and Mozambique. All took.

                They all failed every single one.

                Why will it be so much rosier here and now?

                The single and best argument for capitalism is that it is the one single greatest expression of human nature on a social order the planet has ever seen. Capitalism is humans doing what humans naturally do. Socialism ( communism by a kinder gentler sounding name) is an artificial construct that forces humans to behave in very un-human ways. Right from the start it fails.

                It only works when all the members share an identical level of accountability and responsibility to each other, for each other, and themselves. You can’t get that in populations larger than say 50.
                • Re: you can still find copies.

                  Sat, July 11, 2009 - 10:28 AM
                  you want to "experiment" with the lives and children of a whole nation.

                  That is precisely what you propose and you seem unable to see that it is madness, it is the most extreme of arrogance, it is the worst expression of human hubris imaginable.

                  You want to take a social structure that is a purely artificial invention and supplant the natural order with this artifice that has failed horribly and with enormous endless suffering every single time it has been invoked leaving whole peoples unable to lift themselves from the miasmic pallor into which it cast them.

                  God save me from the man who wants to take something that works and fix it.



                  And the worst part in what it says about how weak kneed we Americans are lately, what miserable groveling cowards we have become is the quickness with which so many ignorant children are clamoring to to take the worlds most vital engine of economy and the word;s highest expression of social order and just throw it the hell away in exchange for nothing but empty promises all founded on lies and proven failure.

                  One lousy little recession and the cowards and traitors are jumping ship screaming that the sky is falling.

                  Weak cowardly myopic deluded idiots all.


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                    Re: you can still find copies.

                    Sat, July 11, 2009 - 12:24 PM
                    ---The single and best argument for capitalism is that it is the one single greatest expression of human nature on a social order the planet has ever seen. Capitalism is humans doing what humans naturally do. Socialism ( communism by a kinder gentler sounding name) is an artificial construct that forces humans to behave in very un-human ways. Right from the start it fails.---

                    "The one single greatest expression of human nature on a social order the planet has ever seen". I guess you weren't in ancient Rome or Greece then...again thou I got to hand it to you..that this social order you talk about is basically flaud..such as the corruption in Government, which is our highest level of any particular social order. Then it pyramids downward into the society...the lack of truth in media...the lack of compassion in health care....the dumbing down of our children in the public fool system....is that human nature..a lack or truth, compassion and education....yet humans by nature are social creatures...they help each other when times are tough...friend to friend, family to family, neighbour to neighbour always been that way Zip....as a matter of fact I think quite the opposite...what capitalism has truly done is not given us a sense of humanity..it took it away and created competition...competition is survival of the fittest..which I agree on in business...but can we do this without the corruptions...there has got to be a winner...just like monopoly..one winner the rest Lose.

                    Landover Baptist Church

                    Quotes:

                    ---That niggra President of the United State -- Hussein Osambo -- practically RAPED an attractive lass in public today. He's that full of himself. And like all niggras, he cannot control his animalistic sexual impulses. I want to puke, or impeach him immediately!---

                    ---Typical! He, like all blacks, has nothing but contempt for the white race and dreams of muddying our perfect genes with his black seed! It's disgusting! ---

                    --To date, I have been occasionally confusing biracial with bisexual in regard to our semi-negrified President.--

                    --I've never known of a negro buck who could walk by a White woman without at least ogling her, committing adultery in thought if not deed.--

                    The Right Reverend Jim Osborne..come on people...lets put our hands to gether and give Jimmy what he desires...

                    ---Like all typical oversexed negro males, he is fixated on the woman's buttocks.--
                    Jimbo...the lady had a great butt...tell me you wouldn't have looked...now don't lie...Jesus is watching you.
                    --What is it with negros and the buttocks?--
                    Yea..and those Chinese guys too and the Red Guys too, I even imagine those little hobbit guys did too..oh yea..white guys too! Who doesn't like a nice butt on a lady...its a Van Gogh brought to life.....I bet Jims got a small wee wee.
                    --- Bill Clinton, the hell-bound sinner he is, at least had the decency to get his "vacuuming" from that fat Jewess in the privacy of the Oval Office. ---
                    Gets his vacumming...now there is some hip Baptist lingo going on here...now he denounces Obama for having looked at a great butt...but calls the Monica...The Fat Jewess...would he have been pleased then if she had that butt.
                    ---Obama is just plain cocky and arrogant to think he could be a pervert in public.---
                    If that is a diffention for Pervert...Jimmy boy..you got a long way to go...you gotta hit a disco or rave or something like that..or just get out more.
                    --- You know if Bush was caught like that, he would've been impeached for sexual harrassment.--
                    If Bush did that it wouldn't even hit the papers.

                    Weres the ACLU or the ADL....Its been a long time since I read or heard shit like this...sick people folks....disturbing to say the least....I am sure there are a few out there that feels the same way as those chucks, no matter what color you are. I am going to go to Jim Osbornes sight and hopefully send him a letter...signed Obama....I'm sure he gets them all day long. Any way I kind of like to here what he has to say about Jesus now....after all hes brown and semetic...Arab for the Baptist...like all semetic tribes...but I am sure Jimbo has his picture of Jesus right there with golden Red hair and bright Blue eyes and with a cloak of White angel hair drapping his whiter that white body......Jim is my new hero!!
                    • Re: you can still find copies.

                      Sat, July 11, 2009 - 1:41 PM
                      **********I guess you weren't in ancient Rome or Greece************

                      Were you?

                      I did benefit from a classical education which required enormous immersion in ancient cultures and a side major in ancient cultural anthropology. Even had to master Koine Greek.

                      • Re: you can still find copies.

                        Sat, July 11, 2009 - 3:29 PM
                        ---I did benefit from a classical education which required enormous immersion in ancient cultures and a side major in ancient cultural anthropology. Even had to master Koine Greek. ---

                        Then you know that both Greece and Rome where based on Republics and even in those times a Republic is hard to maintain. And that in those two societies what we call freedoms were also offered....and the result was that both and also America created great societies, and that each of those societies eventually became totally corrupt....

                        I don't doubt your knowledge Zip or your intelligence, but I tend to think by reading your post that you are a little extreme...well really extreme...still I consider you a goodfella and mean well...untill you killed those Leftys with your car.
                        • Re: you can still find copies.

                          Sun, July 12, 2009 - 8:30 AM
                          **************.untill you killed those Leftys with your car. ****************

                          It is a knife. I like to stalk them and kill them up close and personal watching their eyes and faces smelling as they shit themselves while they are begging for their lives and calling to Jesus to save them.

                          They do, they call out to Jesus to save them these people who spit on all things christian turn to the christian deities to save them.


                          • Re: you can still find copies.

                            Sun, July 12, 2009 - 8:59 AM
                            Like I said....extreme....do right wingnuts like Osbourne there confess to Jesus.....after he swindles every buck you got....oh yea...I love the part where this rightwingnut prefers torture if your gay.....and lefties are ungodly....

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