wait now no need to get so heated .l'm here to voice some other opinions i'm listening to your opinions and data . you guys migh tnot believe this but i'm Very left wing and i totaly support almost all enviromental movements . I HATE RUSH and his horrible right wing christian conservative crap and all those false numbers they give . I listen to NPR as my main source of news and sometimes BBC. I can't stand big suv's with one fat person on their cell phone driving it . if i could hunt any animal i'd probably hunt redneck republican pigs in suv's. I remember when I cried the first time i saw really massive clearcuts from horizon to horizon in humbolt county. Oh the silt in the eel river , horrible ! Then i started working in construction and now i realize I live in a wooden house and i'm not really going to live in a cave ! I've become alittle more centered on my enviromental stance . for example selective harvest of trees , and no harvest at all around creeks and rivers, no herbacides etc which in the klammath watershed are giving birds cancerous lesions on their beaks.

I totaly agree farming meat is horrible for the enviroment , just the methane alone is a total disaster. I do however think meat is an important source of protein and men should consume 40 grams of protein worth of meat about 3 times a week , preferably no beef at all. I stopped eating beef for years but had a relapse as of late .its hard when i get lunch at work cuz i'm in construction and they all want beef. trying to get off the beef when i go to oregon and start my new life . I also LOVE lots of vegetarian stuff . tofu tacos , tofu mushroom melts ,potatos tacos and my favorite drink is yerba matte with soy milk and agave nectar MMMMMMMm ! try to eat organic when i can afford it but inflation has been making it harder.I think everyone could have some meat in their diet if they didn't eat it 3 times a day 7 days a week . free range meat is certainly better but it has bad impact on the enviroment , for example i hunt jackrabbit (yes i eat it ) where there free range cows . If there are alot of cow turds there are very few jackrabbit droppings cuz they compete for food . they cause erosion and destroy meadows which hurts the trout . labeling me as some radical meat eater is a little extreme although i will say beef eaters are obvious ! go in steak house and 99 percent of the people are really fat and gross! Basicaly i eat anything that is hot and infront of me . My wife is almost vegetarian she goes months at a time without meat so if she is cooking i'm eating it .

i'm not avoiding questions . I do not hunt and kill all my own food . Not even close . Its sort of hard to do if i want to eat meat approximately 3 times a week and I live Los angeles . Its a long drive to go hunting . when i finaly live out in the wilderness i hope i can eat only what i hunt. I'm not really into big game hunting so its not like i can stockpile for the year with 1 elk . 1 rabbit is 1 meal for 1 person and lets see the last rabbit took 4 days sun up till sundown hiking about 10 miles a day , not to mention some frostbite on my hands. I probably expend alot more then the rabbit provides altough you can get more game at other times of the year . I would like to try hunting wildboar but i'm not sure about dear , i've never killed either . Deer eat out of my hands in the sierra , not sure if i can shoot one they are cute . If you don't feel remorse after killing any animal your a sick puppy . Its why tribal people usualy respect honor and warship the game they hunt . But its the natural cycle , living things eat other living things to sustain life . I guess the tribe always needs people to stay back at the village who aren't fit for hunting.

like i said the only way for any of you to meet your ideals (from what i gather they are in regards to food) . You all have to live in lush rainforest and gather only . totaly possible . so book your flight then start practicing temporary shelter making and basket weaving . all the problems started when man left that life you can go back to it and save the world .

or we could reduce the pupulation back down to a much lower number like 25 million or less and we can all have giant suv's and eat whatever we want without hurting anything . even if each couple only had 2 kids the pupulation would go down rapidly. its the main problem the catholics and christian fundamentalist don't want to talk about the real problems.why would they ? jesus will be here to get them soon.

the reason I picked this particular post is because the bill mentioned is for hounds . I think that dogs love to hunt , and hunters love their dogs . Its a really beautiful relastionship and its an ancient tradition. Beagles for example often hunt rabbit on their own . I heard of a lady who got the dog a shock colar cuz it keeps chaseing and killing rabbits in her yard . thats just cruel ! the beagle is specificaly for rabbit hunting , its so small so it can chase into the brush . I am basicaly against any law thats going to harm the relationship of working dogs and their owner and for any laws that will help protect it . there is a law right now basicaly against breading muts which is bad for genetics and will mean many great hunting dogs won't be able to pass on their genes ....And dont' one of you guys go into some rave about puppy mills . Hunting dog kennels generaly treat their dogs really good and have them out in the field training etc . Its the ones that are going to pet shops that are the source of the puppy mills which are terrible.

Not everyone who hunts is a right wing jerkoff . Did i mention the NRA is a bunch of whacko gun nuts ? I'm for MUCH harsher gun control maybe even the ban of handguns . eventualy i'd like to do all my hunting with a bow when i get more time and money. now then why is it vegetarians can't even entertain other ideas without going into some wild rage ? do you guys light laboratories on fire and burn down mcmasnions too ?

I never said we should kill people . we should have less children in the first place.

"I find this statistic a little hard to believe... "

I know what you mean, Matt, but if you take into account the water it takes to grow the grain, and for the cow to drink, the cow to be hosed down with, the truck to be washed with, the concrete floors of the milking stalls to be hosed down with,... you can see how it could add up fast.

I'll look for the number though and let you know if I find it.