Cruel Camera- you've GOT to watch this!

topic posted Tue, February 5, 2008 - 5:02 PM by  Jackie
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Last month, CBC aired a special called Cruel Camera, which was about animals used in the entertainment industry. I missed the airing, but it is available online- and it's incredible. Anyone who has any degree of compassion in their bones will be moved by this. It's a must see and a must pass along...

Here's the link:
www.cbc.ca/fifth/cruelcamera/video.html

Cruel Camera
Twenty-five years ago, Bob Mckeown and a fifth estate crew stunned the country with an investigative report that showed that many of the wildlife documentaries we'd grown up watching on television (remember the famous footage of the lemmings going off the cliff or some of the memorable moments from shows like Wild Kingdom?) were staged for the television cameras. As well, they revealed that animals often died during the making of movies; all for the sake of the entertainment value.

Now, Bob McKeown and an investigative team have returned to the subject to find out what has changed since the fifth estate's first Cruel Camera documentary. What they found may astonish you.
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Jackie
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  • Re: Cruel Camera- you've GOT to watch this!

    Tue, February 5, 2008 - 6:37 PM
    I saw this show and it was a real eye opener! I've always enjoyed animal tv shows and documentaries but now I am skeptical about how the animals are treated...nothing is as it seems!
    thanks for the link Jackie!
  • Re: Cruel Camera- you've GOT to watch this!

    Tue, February 5, 2008 - 9:44 PM
    Wow. That video was an eye opener for me. It's horrible how the entertainment industry has mistreated animals for the sake of money. I was surprised how documentaries are misleading the public with use of the trained animals. I'm not sure I can really believe or trust the information I receive from such documentaries or those aired on PBS. It's almost like I've been lied to, and that we really don't know anything about the world we live in. Worst of all, it's the animals on these films you pay the price for such a lie. Where does one look for documentaries of truth? If I can't look towards PBS, then where?
    • Unsu...
       

      Re: Cruel Camera- you've GOT to watch this!

      Wed, February 6, 2008 - 8:51 AM
      "I'm not sure I can really believe or trust the information I receive from such documentaries or those aired on PBS. "
      not sure? I think the point of the segment is that you definitely can't trust ANY nature documentary, if even Richard Attenborough (I refuse to call him sir) lies. And even the guy who teaches people about those kinds of films lied and said that it was IMPOSSIBLE to make true nature films.

      "Where does one look for documentaries of truth?"
      Why does one NEED to look for nature documentaries? If you want to see the natural world, look at the birds, squirrels, foxes, possums etc in your own neighborhood. We have a virginia possum near our house and I love seeing her once in a while and I'm looking forward to maybe seeing her with her babies int he spring, if I'm lucky.

      But I would never DREAM of interacting with her, or of trying to get her on film.

      The belief is that these nature films expose us to nature and make us more aware and perhaps more compassionate towards the natural world, but considering the extreme cruelty of our society towards the natural world, and that the perpetrators of these cruelties are people who were raised watching nature films, and going to circuses and zoos, I think it is obvious that this belief is false.

      These nature documentaries cause us to believe that animals exist for our entertainment and make us more cruel towards the natural world and its inhabitants.

      And this video only focussed on animals in film and did not even skim the surface of animal horrors in the name of entertainment.
      animals in circuses, roadside zoos and the like are even worse off.
      plus there are a huge number of breeders who sell exotic animals to individuals and the cruelty there is horrible!

      Fopr example, did you know that all birds are first generation? Which means they are caprtured in the wild and sold to pet shops. So anyone who OWNS a pet bird is commiting the most basic form of animal cruelty (as Jane Goodall explained) that even if they personally treat the animal "well" the fact that the animal was kidnapped from his natural habitant, from his family, and often from his mother and then transported and sold is within itself abuse.

      if you want to have a relationship with an animal, go to the local animal shelter and rescue an animal there. Learn about the species as much as you can to make sure that you treat the animal as "well" as you can.

      (I put well in brackets because we can never know if we are treating another species with whom we can not effectively communicate well, we can only approximate good treatment as much as possible)

      and if you want to see animals in their natural habitat, look in your own backyard. If you want to see exotic animals, move to a place where they live...but I would not recommend going looking for them in the forest, that is not YOUR place.

      As for those intimate private moments, well just like we would not want a camera crew showing up in our bedroom while we are sleeping or having sex (well some may ;-) but most certainly won't) the same is true for another species. There are things that we are not meant to see or know about. And claiming to do it in the name of research is bullshit.

      We do not need to see polar bears breeding or foxes inside their den.
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        Re: Cruel Camera- you've GOT to watch this!

        Wed, February 6, 2008 - 8:53 AM
        "And even the guy who teaches people about those kinds of films lied and said that it was IMPOSSIBLE to make true nature films." (what I mean by this is that he lied in his film by using trained tamed animals and passing them off as wild ones and he used his experience to prove that it was impossible to make nature films without lying.)
        • Re: Cruel Camera- you've GOT to watch this!

          Wed, February 6, 2008 - 6:47 PM
          Wow, I had no idea that all captive birds were first generation. Thanks for the heads up. I find that there is nothing more rewarding than developing a loving, trusting relationship with an animal that has been abused; and nothing more beautiful than being lucky enough to see a young coyote playing in the snow with a distance away with my own true eyes. A video camera could never capture that truth.
      • Re: Cruel Camera- you've GOT to watch this!

        Thu, February 7, 2008 - 9:30 AM
        "but I would not recommend going looking for them in the forest, that is not YOUR place."

        the forest is a part of my natural environment, it is an integral part of my home.
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          Re: Cruel Camera- you've GOT to watch this!

          Thu, February 7, 2008 - 7:12 PM
          humans are already everywhere. The least we could do is leave animals alone in their natural environment.
          if you want to discuss your "right" to go int he forest and to invade the home of bears and other native species, do it somewhere else. We are discussing animnal rights here, not human entitlement.
          • Re: Cruel Camera- you've GOT to watch this!

            Thu, February 7, 2008 - 7:23 PM
            i am an animal, and i live in a rural environment where the forest is a natural part of my home. i do not "invade" anyone's home but share in the natural beauty of our earth.

            you cannot discuss animal rights without discussing our place on this planet. if you disagree then disagree but don't tell me what i can and what i cannot say in this tribe. if the moderator thinks i'm out of line then they will tell me. are you the moderator?
            • Unsu...
               
              my piint is that the fact that you are an animal is irrelevant as it pertains to a discussion about animal rights because you as a human already have rights. If you really are an animal rights activist you would know this.

              I am not saying that we should not live in a rural environment, but not IN THE FOREST (do you see the difference?)

              humans should live in towns, cities and villages and leave nature for animals who should live there.

              I am not the moderator, but I don;t see how your right to go for a walk in the forest has ANYTHING to do with a serious animal rights discussion.
              Plus you are distracting from the original issue of animals in nature documentaries and in films and television. Or do you feel that a discussion about your RIGHT to go int he woods (which according to current law you already have aanyway so there is really nothing to discuss) is more important to discuss?

              and THAT is my point. I also have rights,a nd things that I enjoy doing, but I don't steal focus from an animal rights discussion to talk about myself.
              • Unsu...
                 
                Plus I posted a lot of information about animal rights and about cruelty to animals for huamn entertainement and the ONLY thing that you find worthy of discussion is a minor sidebar that I amde about humans staying out of forests?

                wow...are you kidding me?

                prioriries man, priorities.
                • Unsu...
                   
                  As well the OP made many interesting points and the video raises many important issues (did you even watch it?)
                  and THIS is all that you have to discuss about this important issue? MY opinion about your RIGHT to go live in forests?

                  Please.

                  Instead of trying to argue with me why not post your views about the video that Jackie posted.
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.
                    you're right, i was taking this thread on a tangent. apologies. BUT, i was responding to a comment you made, so the criticism goes both ways.

                    allow me to express myself more clearly and on topic...

                    in my personal experience i have found that if i want to learn about animals from an observational perspective then i can observe them in their natural environments: in the forests and ocean and the rural environment within which i live. i have learned a great deal about eagles, ravens, many birds i'm still learning the names of, black bears, coyotes, bobcats, salmon, all manner of spiders and salamanders, plus a multitude of insects and smaller critters.
                    • I agree with you David...learning about animals from an observational perspective in their natural environment is truly an amazing thing!
                      Jane Goodall, Dian Fossey, Jacques Cousteau, Rob Stewart, and many others have been able to observe animals in nature without violating their rights. These people are heroes to me :)
                      • Unsu...
                         
                        I also agree with you David and I apologise I was totally out of line in my last posts and I overreacted.

                        Of course if we are observing at a distance and with respect for the animals it can be very rewarding and educational. And it can teach us to think outside of ourselves and to respect other species.

                        And I feel in fact that what you say is a perfect example of what the animal abusers use as an excuse to do what they do.
                        They start off with your very reasonable and intelligent argument and then exstend it by saying that if EVERYONE was exposed to this they would ALL develop an appreciation for nature, but anyone who has ever lived near a natural place can tell you that these occurences do not happen on cue, and that there is very little drama or conflict that we can perceive in nature, and since they are on a tight schedule they manipulate "nature" to manufacture the awe-inspiring moments that you may have witnessed by chance.

                        I think if more people realized what you said in your last post, these abuses would not be possible.
                        • "Who shall speak for the voiceless ones?
                          In a language we all can understand
                          The ones in chains, in costumes, labs
                          The ones whose habitat fell to concrete
                          What queen of nature, of spirit, of grace
                          Shall speak for these creatures
                          Honor the animals, the earth, ourselves?"

                          -excerpt, Casey Sayre Boukus, 2000

                          (from the wemoon calender...)

                          Please don't lose sight of this post..... the hatred between you guys will get us no where.....
                          • Re: wildlife video

                            Sat, February 9, 2008 - 11:01 PM
                            I have made wildlife videos without abusing the animals. Also, you can go for a walk in the woods without committing cruel acts against animals.

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