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World's religions rooted in Sun worship?

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Episode 7: Are the world's religions rooted in Sun worship?

Interesting video interview.
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  • Re: World's religions rooted in Sun worship?

    Thu, January 12, 2006 - 8:32 AM
    "world's religions" being "the big 3", or is it also inclusive of things like Buddhism, Hinduism, Native americans, etc?

    I'll have to watch. :-)
    • Re: World's religions rooted in Sun worship?

      Sat, February 4, 2006 - 1:01 PM
      I think all religions today are improvisations of the branching out and distorting of one original religion.

      Jesaka
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        Tue, February 7, 2006 - 11:34 PM
        The One Original Religion?

        Praytell then, what was the One Original Civilization?

        Perhaps it was the Harrapans or their predecessors the Mergahr in India? Or the Proto-Europeans of the Sub-Saharran green days? Possibly the Ainu who sailed to Japan? Those of the Dreamtime in the Outback, a culture relatively consistent for 50,000 years (until Europeans got there)? The Megalith Builders, who may or may not be Pre-Celtic? The Seafaring Caananite Philistines? Those whom revered vultures, leopards, and bulls at Catal-Huyuk?

        I think perhaps the human IMPULSE toward the divine is universal, but to suggest that every river springs from one fount is counter to logic and cultural anthropology itself.

        Anyone else have thoughts?
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          Wed, February 8, 2006 - 5:06 AM
          I went to Pier 39 yesterday to admire the seals, and let me tell you, those hilarious bastards were worshipping the sun something fierce. I joked with a tourist that they were posing for her. But we both knew that they were simply jockying for face time with the sun. What does this speak to us as humans? If the basest of creatures know to direct their visage to this radioactive invigorator, can there be a biological imperative to nurture such an inclination?
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            Wed, February 8, 2006 - 12:11 PM
            well, the sun is fairly impressive isn't it? but so are lots of things in nature.
            • Re: World's religions rooted in Sun worship?

              Mon, February 13, 2006 - 6:51 PM
              Hi.

              Flowers and other objects have been found in Neanderthal graves. The antiquity of the "spiritual" in man is thus attested. Emotions must have preceded Neanderthal, and so, even if not technically "spiritual", the origins of religion, must lie perhaps as far back as Australopithicus....like those seals mentioned in an earlier post, Neanderthal must have raised his face to the sun, and smiled....

              We have a wealth of evidence concerning Egypt, but the answer as to solar worship amongst the first civilizations, would depend on an analysis of the prominence of the Mesopotamian Sun-God in that culture which seems to be the older of the two, and with which I am too unfamiliar.
              Dravidian, and Chinese culture, the latter being dynastically as old as that of Egypt would need to be considered also.
  • Re: World's religions rooted in Sun worship?

    Wed, May 17, 2006 - 9:31 PM
    I'd say many religious beliefs (ancient and modern) have roots in ancient Sun worship. For instance, the Aztecs of Mexico sacrificied humans to "feed" the sun, and for the sun to keep coming after darkness. Compare them to the ancient Babylonian sun worship of Tammuz. Nimrod (the supposed grandson of Noah) founded Babylon, and after dying his wife Semiramis deitified him as the Sun God, she later had a baby that she said was Nimrod coming to life again. Then, there were many Sun God related worshiping, and many other cultures had this too.

    There's not enough evidence that supports that there was originally one first civilization with first beliefs and views. Though, I think there existed a very similar and influencial type of thinking within Ancient India, Near East, Egypt, Hellas, etc. However, the problem is that each civilization had their own way of interpreting it because many of these "ideas" were not passed down, but somewhat mentioned within each culture. For instance, Atlantis was first mentioned by Plato, but there were other cultures who believed that there was a first civilization that got destroyed because they were self-conscious.

    Now going back to the Aztecs, how could there be such similiar ideas about the sun? Could it be that humans think very similar? I agree with that. However, I also believe that civilizations in the Americas came from the old world. Thus, this idea could've been brought from other cultures. Additionally, their city, Tenochtitlan, was set inside of a circular canal of water, just how Plato described Atlantis. Could it be a coincidence?
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      Thu, May 18, 2006 - 3:40 AM
      Once again the European superiority of place in the scheme of world dominance. I must always remember to put my knees to the earth in honor of our benefactors.The theory of a series of migrations from the Asian continents must be an invention of our misguided thinking.
      • Re: World's religions rooted in Sun worship?

        Fri, October 13, 2006 - 9:35 AM

        Once again the European superiority of place - is this about lillith's? she did throw India into that, admittedly, heavily Euro list

        okay PC faithful, put yor pout on - I like some pretty inverted thinking historically - like the jews are the lost tribe of the orginal migrating people later known as the Rom, Tzigane, or "Gypsies" - I also like to think the Bering strait notion is reversed - origin of human civilization from Native American Tribals (pre wheel) heading west - then the oldest "civilized civilzations" recorded so far are from Asia - then filtering out the silk road, etc - but most historians seem to agree that Eastern and Western developments were very independent of eachother

        funny noone's connected back to Mother Africa with this thread

        but I digress - as far as I know - most mediterannean/european/fertile crescent religions are steeped in sun worship, most sun worship did find itself transcribed into these religions - however most pre-patriarchal religions, whether or not solar oriented - were fertility and death cycle - very yoni-dominated - take the Venus of Willendorf - not many little Sun Tschochkes vs. fertility objects...

        reading Robert Grave's White Goddess will definitely stretch your mind around these ideas like silly putty, but can you get the image transfer?
      • Re: World's religions rooted in Sun worship?

        Fri, October 27, 2006 - 9:51 AM
        don't you mean african superiority?



        "Once again the European superiority of place in the scheme of world dominance. I must always remember to put my knees to the earth in honor of our benefactors.The theory of a series of migrations from the Asian continents must be an invention of our misguided thinking. "
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    Re: World's religions rooted in Sun worship?

    Wed, October 18, 2006 - 2:39 AM
    Religion (really ancient or otherwise) is rooted in understanding the unknown, or even unknowable. This means that things like the sky and earth, the sun and moon, the oceans and mountains all have a religious aspect to humans (esp. early humans). A good read is almost anything by Marcia Eliade, but _The Sacred and The Profane_ will get to your question.

    By-the-by...for the Greeks the primary Gods/Goddesses were always Sky and Earth: Uranus/Gaea, Chronos/Gaea, Zeus...Zeus is not a sun god, Apollo would be closer to that (but more so with the Romans, where he does tend to out strip Jupiter--sky--in worship, but perhaps not in rank).

    Guthery makes a very good point about understanding early religion. God is often predicated of things rather than things predicated of God. So where we say "God is Love" the Greeks would say "Love is a God". Why, because it gives us/them some way of dealing with things sublime and out of our control (life, death and the like).

    Moreover, we see in things like Bacchus cults a diversity of worship. It's not fair to say that the Bacchates felt like the sun was primary to their devotion or that thier religion was rooted in the sun god. Although, by divine lineage, Bacchas can no doubt be traced to a sky god. Still, the point is that the worship is not "rooted" in Sun Worship.

    So, in short the answer to your question is No.

    Vale!
    • Re: World's religions rooted in Sun worship?

      Wed, October 18, 2006 - 2:46 PM
      too true about the sky/lord of heaven - I would like to qualify my "steeped in sun worship" comment to that effect: most of the monotheistic religions that evolved from the mediterranean fertile crescent europe scope have significant sun worship or assimilated from sun-worshipppers (note that mostly Christian Europe assimilated - as the Romans before them - just about everything { but cloven hooves and goddesses } )

      but now that the topic is rolling again - I wonder if anyone ever worshipped the Sun as a deity in it's own right, rather than a as a facet of another deity's powers... I'm thinking Akhenaten - but even the sun, 'Aten' was Ra-Amun-Horus?
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        Re: World's religions rooted in Sun worship?

        Wed, October 18, 2006 - 3:59 PM
        >>"but even the sun, 'Aten' was Ra-Amun-Horus?"

        I'm not sure about that. Perhaps with Tutunk-amun, but with I don't think so with Akenaten. He railed so heavily against Amun and the priests of Amun (changing his name from Amenhotep IV to be rid of the association with amun--obliterating the symbols of Amun---etc).

        Before Ankenaten in the time of Amenhotep III the Aten was very probably mingled with other gods in the Ra-Amun-Horus way. But, I always thought with Ankenaten (only) we have a view of the a monotheistic sun god as the sun.

        Vale!
    • Re: World's religions rooted in Sun worship?

      Tue, August 4, 2009 - 7:58 PM
      There are more than a hundred sun temples dotting the length and breadth of India, while there are several others spanning the globe. Still, it is surprising that most of the sun temples have fallen into oblivion, while the sun continues to be an object of reverence.
      Since the sun was one of the notable stable aspects of nature for ancient people and was regarded as the crucial force for the creation and maintenance of life, it became an object of obeisance in all early civilizations. In the Indian context, it constituted the Panch Tatva – the five basic elements – namely, the sky, the earth, wind, water and fire. These very same elements find mention in Japanese philosophy too, where the sky is also referred to as the void. Chinese tradition includes wood and metal in the basic five elements, while retaining fire, earth and wind. The Buddhist scriptures recognize earth, water, fire and air as the only primary or un-derived matter, and include space and consciousness as two additional elements.
      The sun’s transformation from an element to a deity makes an interesting reading.
      Visit www.parijat.co.in to read on.
  • Re: World's religions rooted in Sun worship?

    Mon, December 26, 2011 - 2:28 AM
    Nope!

    As was pointed out, Apollo the sun god was a lesser diety and the son of Zeus and his sister, Hera.

    In the raven stories, the sun wasn't even a god. Instead, it was an object stolen by powerful beings and raven had to use its sorcery to steal the sun back and return it to the sky.

    In Christianity, the sun isn't even a consideration as a thing of veneration. Instead, the triad of God's three aspects, the father, the son and the holy ghost, symbolize the mind, the body and the spirit while creating a multifaceted godhead.

    Bhuddism is focused on the teachings of Bhudda, who was a holy man who became a deity. The worship of Bhudda has nothing to do with the worship of the sun, but rather with becoming the embodiment of the teachings of Bhudda. Which is why the addage about killing Bhudda if you see him on the road exists. The idea being that Bhudda must exist within one's spirit and not as an autonomous manifestation. The Bhudda on the road is a false Bhudda, a trick.

    The examples of religions without sun worship, or the sun as a primary diety are countless.

    Mithras as a sun deity was the product of a warrior cult religion. There were other major deities which coexisted with Mithras and it was customary to give those other deities their due as was given to Mithras. Ancient religions weren't big on exclusivity when it came to deities except on an individual level where a person might dedicate themselves to the worship and service of a particular deity.
  • Re: World's religions rooted in Sun worship?

    Sat, January 14, 2012 - 12:54 AM
    Perhaps the largest festival of Sun worship is still celebrated in India (in the province of Bihar and eastern Uttar Pradesh) in the month of October-November every year. Called Chhath, in this festival millions of devotees offer their prayers to the setting and rising Sun.

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