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Wife Swap goes Medieval

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A MEDIEVAL MOM LIVING IN THE PAST SWAPS PLACES WITH A 21st-CENTURY MOM
JUGGLING WORK, FAMILY AND MORE WORK, ON ABC'S "WIFE SWAP"


This week in "Stamper/Haggerty," a mom whose heart is in the medieval
past and whose head is in the clouds swaps places with 21st-Century wife
and mother who juggles family life and working two jobs, on "Wife Swap,"
MONDAY, MARCH 13 (8:00-9:00 p.m.,, ET) on ABC.


Each week from across the country, two families with very different
values are chosen to take part in a two-week long challenge. The wives
from these two families exchange husbands, children, and lives (but not
bedrooms) to discover just what it's like to live another woman's life.
It's a mind-blowing experiment that often ends up changing their lives
forever.


Stephanie Stamper (40) and her husband, Greg (42), of Ohio, are obsessed
with re-creating the Middle Ages at home. The 21st Century is not where
they want to live. They are more at home functioning in a world that
existed centuries ago. Greg leaves the family home to earn a living, and
returns to a king's welcome. Stephanie home-schools the children in
medieval arts and crafts. For physical education the two teenagers do
Scottish highland dancing. Stephanie also runs the house, cooks for her
family and waits on her valiant man hand and foot. The kids have little
contact with the outside world beyond weekend re-enactments. They don't
even have cell phones. The family spend all their time together making
Viking-style furniture, drumming, playing the harp, belly-dancing and
fantasy role-playing games.


Stephanie travels to the modern 21st-Century Floridian home of Lisa (34)
and Julice (34) Haggerty, parents of Justin (16), Victoria (12) and
Alexandria (3). The Haggertys are a modern, dual-income, blended family.
Mom Lisa holds down two jobs, rushing from substitute teaching at public
schools to running a ribs restaurant. Husband Julice works the
night-shift as a corrections officer, and spends his days cooking,
cleaning and looking after the kids while Lisa is at work. Lisa runs a
strict house where her kids follow a chore chart and are not allowed to
talk back to adults under any circumstances.


During the first week, Stephanie struggles to keep up with the break
neck pace of the modern world. She teaches Lisa's public school class
and quickly finds out that it is very different home schooling her own
children: There's no highland dancing in public school. Meanwhile in
Ohio, Lisa finds herself cooking a feast of meat and turnip while
wearing a medieval gown. She becomes disturbed by the seclusion the
Stampers have created for themselves and repeatedly butts heads with
15-year-old Damon, as he argues with her at every turn.


In the second week the rules change: Stephanie orders that the entire
Haggerty family dress in medieval clothes for the rest of the week,
takes the kids out of public school and gives them a medieval education
at home, making leather shoes for hours. Julice can't see the
educational value in shoe-making and he breaks the rules by sending the
kids back to school. In the Stamper house, Lisa mandates that the family
get rid of everything medieval and forces them to interact with the
modern world by enrolling the kids in school and enlisting the entire
family in a self-defense class to give them the confidence to go out
into the modern world.
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  • Re: Wife Swap goes Medieval

    Thu, March 9, 2006 - 8:28 AM
    Oh, shit. Here it comes. Why is it they always manage to not only find, but TELEVISE, the very last SCAdians you want the mundane public to see?

    When I was a kid in the SCA, this phenomenon made my life very difficult with my parents, who were convinced I was becoming entrenched in a cult of complete whack jobs that lived in the middle ages 24-7 and who could not function in the real world. (Thank you, Peanut Gallery. I know the SCA does have people like this in it, but it is the exception, not the rule.)

    I wanna see it.
    • Re: Wife Swap goes Medieval

      Tue, March 14, 2006 - 8:10 PM
      We worked very, very hard defending the SCA in the face of a lot of ridicule.

      We also function quite well in the real world, although some may find it odd we have more computers than televisions.

      In the end, the SCA was never mentioned in the show, and our name did not appear in the credits as "editor".
      • Re: Wife Swap goes Medieval

        Wed, March 15, 2006 - 8:48 AM
        I'm sorry, Madog. You didn't work really hard to defend the SCA. It would have only taken about a second of thought to see how totally damaging this was to the SCA in general and to the local SCAdians. There is no way something like this could possibly be anything else. This was an act of extreme selfishness. You got your 2 minutes of fame at the expense of the hobby that you say you love. Now the rest of us have to deal with the real world and clean up the mess. You've made it much for difficult for local groups to deal with the public, get sites and so on. Did you really think anything else could be true? That anything else could have resulted from something like this? Sigh.
        • Re: Wife Swap goes Medieval

          Wed, March 15, 2006 - 9:32 AM
          The SCA will survive. It survived the Witchcraft scare in the late 80's it can survive this. But it will hurt. Mostly recruitment.

          The biggest hurt is to us average members. Like I said earlier I work in corporate America. Men in a coat and tie and woman in office attire. Some of the top people watched that show because they saw the trailers. They wanted to see what I do.

          I walk a very thin line in this office. I am a Trans-gender and they don't know it. I live worried that they find out. Now this. Like I don't have enough to worry about. My annual review is in August each year. My going to Pennsic will remind them that I am part of Madog's world at the time they are doing my pay review.
          Thank you, thank you very much.
          • Re: Wife Swap goes Medieval

            Wed, March 15, 2006 - 11:02 AM
            I watched the show, and I must say, I laughed my ass off. Just the fact that you guys live in a renfaire 24/7 AND consented to let America see you live it AND impose it on other people for a quick buck makes me say with no regret that you deserve to be told everything people are saying right now. You put yourselves out there, so deal with it. This is the result of your actions.

            Yes, people will be critical of your lifestyle. But what did you expect? Did you actually think that you would paint a positive picture, and the rest of the world would go - "You know, that sound like a great idea. Let's barricade ourselves and our kids in our house, change our names, and prepare our kids for the outside world by making shoes all day?" Think of the future instead of the past.

            We all have a little glint of fantasy in our eyes or else we wouldn't be on here, going to events and such. But did you actually think the producers of a network show would pick healthy normal SCAdians to be on the show? FUCK NO! They picked you guys because you are the freak show, and you will always be the freak show - and you know what? I think that's why you did the show in the first place - well, that and $20k. But I don't think you truly realized how you would make you or anyone else look. Now everyone in the SCA will be the freak show,. It doesn't make a bit of difference to me, because I have never been SCA, and you guys are why. This is the real world, no matter how much you don't want it to be. Your kids will grow up and leave the house, and they will only be as prepared as you are - which scares me shitless.

            Yes - I am being judgemental of you. But guess what? So is the rest of the country. Deal with it and accept your fate. If you have a problem, send complaints to your king.
            • Re: Wife Swap goes Medieval

              Wed, March 15, 2006 - 11:39 AM
              Do you really think his king would talk to him??
              • Re: Wife Swap goes Medieval

                Wed, March 15, 2006 - 12:36 PM
                I have to agree with the masses on this one. Acting a fool's life in front of the entire nation and then saying that there was no harm done to anyone else in the organization is proof that good common sense is rampantly missing here.

                The SCA, or any organization that "plays" outside of the box risks the majority of the populace thinking we are fruit cakes for what we do in our SPARE time. For the most part, it takes a balancing act for the majority of us to make a go of this game. We have to request time off for events like Pennsic and tournaments, etc... These requests have to go through folks that only see the SCA or Tuchux or Civil War Re enactors as a bunch of crazy folks that play act the past. It is harmless to them as long as they know that is is only play acting. They know that you go do your "thing" on the weekends or during your vacation, but when you come back home, you are good ol' dependable you again. They did not understand the "crazy" hobby you had but the did not have to.

                Your foray into reality TV gave America the complete "overkill" side of what can happen. Nobody lives like you guys, however because of your publicity, we all have to face the music. You were irresponsible. You may not see it now or maybe ever, however you have damaged the "balance" of what non SCA folks think about us.

                I have been asked at work about this show. I was asked by my boss, in a "humorous" way, whether or not I knew you and if this is what I was into. Birds of a feather.... How do you think this effects my personal outlook or the out look of others?

                I hope you enjoyed your time in the spotlight. I hope you enjoyed putting your "life" under the microscope. You have damaged many, and I do not think that forgiveness will come quickly...

                That was a dollars worth of my opinion. You can keep the change.

                Wolfram
                • Re: Wife Swap goes Medieval

                  Wed, March 15, 2006 - 4:00 PM
                  Basically, your reactions to the people who watched the show is like going on Springer and wondering why people call you trailer trash.

                  I do want to ask the family one thing - what made you want to be on the show?
                • Re: Wife Swap goes Medieval

                  Sun, March 19, 2006 - 12:52 AM
                  <<I have to agree with the masses on this one. Acting a fool's life in front of the entire nation and then saying that there was no harm done to anyone else in the organization is proof that good common sense is rampantly missing here.>>

                  <<The SCA, or any organization that "plays" outside of the box risks the majority of the populace thinking we are fruit cakes for what we do in our SPARE time. For the most part, it takes a balancing act for the majority of us to make a go of this game. We have to request time off for events like Pennsic and tournaments, etc... These requests have to go through folks that only see the SCA or Tuchux or Civil War Re enactors as a bunch of crazy folks that play act the past. It is harmless to them as long as they know that is is only play acting. They know that you go do your "thing" on the weekends or during your vacation, but when you come back home, you are good ol' dependable you again. They did not understand the "crazy" hobby you had but the did not have to.>>

                  <<Your foray into reality TV gave America the complete "overkill" side of what can happen. Nobody lives like you guys, however because of your publicity, we all have to face the music. You were irresponsible. You may not see it now or maybe ever, however you have damaged the "balance" of what non SCA folks think about us.>>

                  <<I have been asked at work about this show. I was asked by my boss, in a "humorous" way, whether or not I knew you and if this is what I was into. Birds of a feather.... How do you think this effects my personal outlook or the out look of others?>>

                  <<I hope you enjoyed your time in the spotlight. I hope you enjoyed putting your "life" under the microscope. You have damaged many, and I do not think that forgiveness will come quickly...>>

                  That's just tough fucking luck; he and no one else is obligated to protect you or anyone else's hobby by projecting it to the masses in a different light that how it is for him. It's a waste of time to complain about the masses of people who choose to take something from a reality television show at face value, because in the end it really isn't about how they feel about it, and if it bothers you that others ridicule you for something you truly enjoy then perhaps you haven't come to the point of truly not giving a shit about how others see you and your interest.

                  Expecting people outside the 'game' to take your hobby seriously to begin with is the first mistake. Enjoy your pastime and have a nice day.

                  ~ Kole
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                    Re: Wife Swap goes Medieval

                    Mon, March 20, 2006 - 6:21 AM
                    Kole,

                    I do not NEED or WANT protection. What was done was disrespectful to the ideals that many of us are trying to create. I could care less about the world in general, however I LIVE in the reality. No matter how much chest thumping that happens here on the net or wherever, I still have to make a living.

                    Masons have had a similar problem. You either thrive or die once you are recognized as one. It depends on what people believe. Public opinion DOES make a difference and yes, when it comes to annual reviews, my boss's opinion on me will make a difference. Everytime I ask of for a tourney or event, the idea that was presented from this show will pop up in his mind.

                    I gladly give you kudos for not giving a damn. Good for you.

                    Peace,

                    Wolfram
            • Re: Wife Swap goes Medieval

              Thu, March 16, 2006 - 9:12 PM
              "Just the fact that you guys live in a renfaire 24/7 " Hello, this is a reality TV show, not a documentary.

              "But what did you expect?" Too much from some people who watched the show it seems.

              "Let's barricade ourselves and our kids in our house, change our names, and prepare our kids for the outside world by making shoes all day?" I think that sounds pretty weird. I'm glad I don't live that way. TV show, remember?

              My kids are VERY capable of dealing with whatever comes their way. Thanks for the concern.
  • Re: Wife Swap goes Medieval

    Fri, March 10, 2006 - 5:33 AM
    Thanks for the heads up. I have a feeling that we met these folks at an event two years ago. If it is, let's just say that they had, to put it gently, strong personalities, even by SCA standards!
    • Re: Wife Swap goes Medieval

      Sat, March 11, 2006 - 10:40 PM
      And youknow these reality TV shows never put a good spin on the not so average folks they show. They will make the Modern Mom look like a saint for "saving" the Wack-job SCAdian family from their insanity. And they will make the SCAdian Mm look ike a lunatic for trying to introdue the modern family to some culture and a different point of view. The SCA will be torn to bits by this one.
      • Re: Wife Swap goes Medieval

        Tue, March 14, 2006 - 8:14 PM
        "The SCA will be torn to bits by this one."

        Please, it's just a TV show. Today I started a class with 12 very bright students-not a single one saw the show last night.

        I have to say, I think after watching the show a lot of people will agree with your prediction of how it will all look.
        • Re: Wife Swap goes Medieval

          Wed, March 15, 2006 - 4:51 PM
          Hey Greg and Stephanie;
          its been way to long. Ray lapre's Wife saw the show, and sent it out.
          The posts are much to harsh. I know you and you family pre EL Passo days.
          It would be fun to get back in touch.
          Email me
          GClawson@Cinci.RR.Com
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    Re: Wife Swap goes Medieval

    Mon, March 13, 2006 - 2:33 AM
    This will be knee slapping funny entertainment, I bet.
    Makes me wish I still had cable. No TV signals out here on the bay.
    Too bad I will not get to see it.
    Somebody pass the popcorn and get me a beer.
    Let me know how is goes Rattie.
    • Re: Wife Swap goes Medieval

      Mon, March 13, 2006 - 8:34 AM
      Shade... try gettin DirecTV sattelite (better than cable).
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        Re: Wife Swap goes Medieval

        Mon, March 13, 2006 - 8:30 PM
        I can get cable again if I want it. Not an issue. I just found out when cable works, I sit on my ass, and nothing gets done around the yard and the house.

        Netflix rules. No commercials in any of the shows I watch. OD on the show then I go outside and work on the house and yard.

        Direct TV, NOOoooooo. That means I would have to cut down my 70 and 100 foot pine trees around my house and yard. I need them to protect my from the hurricanes. :-)
        • Re: Wife Swap goes Medieval

          Mon, March 13, 2006 - 9:30 PM
          I only get 3 channels an done of them showed this episode. I laughed throught the commersial breaks it was so funny. One of the highlights was that the SCA daughter didn't know how to use the phone.
          • Re: Wife Swap goes Medieval

            Mon, March 13, 2006 - 9:51 PM
            Okay, I just watched it, and the SCAdian wife is nuts. In all honesty, though, I'm not convinced she's SCAdian. WAAAAAY to unsocialized and shunning of anyone outside her family to be SCA. I think she's just an out of control Dungeons and Dragons weirdo.

            And no, it's not a product of clever editing, either. Her 13 year old child does not know how to use the freaking telephone. And she expressed horror that the other family's kid might want to spend time with friends rather than hang out with mom 24/7.

            I need a drink.
            • Re: Wife Swap goes Medieval

              Tue, March 14, 2006 - 1:37 AM

              My husband and I watched the first half hour and couldn't watch anymore. I don't think they are Scadians (at least not active now) because I have never seen them before and I think I can recognize almost everyone by sight after 10 years.

              I realize what tv can do with editing but they all seemed looney! The father goes off "into the world" and they are at home with no phone! But they have tv? Does not make sense at all.

              Hope no one at work saw it!
              • Re: Wife Swap goes Medieval

                Tue, March 14, 2006 - 4:53 AM
                I recognized the husband's persona name from the old Pennsic.net website, though I've not seen him on any of the Tribe boards. Whether the family are "officially" SCAdian or just rennies who wants to be at the faire year-round - who knows? There's certainly no social aptitude test for any of this stuff!

                Mom was extreme - probably a control freak with separation anxiety about her kids - and she probably would be regardless of hobby. The daughter was just far, far too sheltered, and the smartass son has needed a kick in the ass since he was probably, oh, about two. And I'll just never, ever, get gamers (sorry, I know there are alot out there...).

                But I was expecting this to be much worse - not that it was great! At least the kids are being expected to get off their asses and do something - anything - other than being glued to Gameboys and cell phones 24/7!

                It takes all kinds...

                • Re: Wife Swap goes Medieval

                  Tue, March 14, 2006 - 5:14 AM
                  I have a dime store diagnosis. I'll see if anyone posts a similar theory.
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                    Re: Wife Swap goes Medieval

                    Tue, March 14, 2006 - 7:17 AM
                    Whether or not they are actually in the SCA, I dont know, but they WERE at Pennsic last year. And I had to apprehend the veil from the daughter once at a party because I was sick of being slapped in the face iwth it repeatedly. . . sigh. . . .
                    • Re: Wife Swap goes Medieval

                      Tue, March 14, 2006 - 10:17 AM
                      I watched it. People so fascinate me! The son said "I have a lot of friends...I have my dog...and my other dog..."

                      There's a thread on another site (I think the Vulgar Unicorn) where they mentioned that they've seen these people at some SCA events. Besides that, it looked like they had other drummers/dancers over at some outside thing they were doing.

                      So, so fascinating...
                      • Re: Wife Swap goes Medieval

                        Tue, March 14, 2006 - 11:29 AM
                        So, so scary ;-)
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                          Tue, March 14, 2006 - 3:59 PM
                          OK you guys. This is Ursula. I must be one heck of an actress or some people are just gulible. Remember the SCA was never mentioned on the show. I would love to tell you right now that it was all fake but, I am legally not allowed. I would think most people would realize by now that reality TV has very little in the way of reality.

                          I have been surfing the internet trying to find an accurate response to the show. So far, it's 50/50. Some believe what they see, others do not. Which one are you?

                          I am only some unknown face that you may or may not meet. So, who are you going to hurt by talking about the freaky medieval mom and her family from wife swap? Right?

                          "Sticks and stones may break my bones, words will hurt forever."

                          • Re: Wife Swap goes Medieval

                            Tue, March 14, 2006 - 5:02 PM
                            I dont know what else others have said, but I will stand by anything I have said on this matter. Yes, its TV - and yes, SOME people realize its just TV.

                            Too many others dont. To them you see something on TV and its real - period.

                            I dont agree with your chosen lifestyle in the slightest. But I dont condemn it either. However, whether the SCA was mentioned or not, anyone can draw the conclusion as to what groups you might belong too. And while your life is your own, its NOT a good representation of what the rest of us do.

                            But, because it was on TV, its suddenly what alot of people are going to think the rest of us are doing. That can affect relationships, jobs and lives. Alot of people.

                            And yes, we as a society could all work our asses off to change that opinion -- but we never should have too.

                            I am not saying you went out there to represent the group (though from what I hear, they TRIED to get the SCA's sanction on this). But you HAVE to realize that that is how life works.
                            • Re: Wife Swap goes Medieval

                              Tue, March 14, 2006 - 5:44 PM
                              That was a seriously impaired family. I mean, to have SCA look at you and go "Freak"... that takes some doing. I feel bad for the kids. Especially when they try and get jobs. I mean, the son is destined for a life of gay porn and the daughter is gonna wind up with 17 cats and an apartment full of smelly magazines. Sad. Just sad.
                            • Re: Wife Swap goes Medieval

                              Tue, March 14, 2006 - 8:35 PM
                              "SOME people realize its just TV. "
                              "I dont agree with your chosen lifestyle in the slightest."

                              It's just, TV, remember? I really don't think you can understand anyone's lifestyle having seen a total of 44 minutes of a show they are 1/2 of.

                              "its NOT a good representation of what the rest of us do. "

                              True. Tell that to the director/story producer/editor, all listed in the credits. I think writer is listed as well, although I am not sure of that.

                              I think we realize more about how life works than most people. We've lived in many different areas, and held many different jobs, and done many different things.

                              Thanks for your concern.
                • Re: Wife Swap goes Medieval

                  Tue, March 14, 2006 - 8:28 PM
                  My daughter is very quiet-until she needs to speak up. She recently went to a hip-hop dance class as part of a sort of culture exchange. She ended up teaching some moves to the rest of the class. She also teaches at SCA events.

                  Yes, my wife is extreme. Extremely caring, extremely loving, and an extremely capable parent.

                  Damon respects people who earn his respect. If, on the other hand, you attack his family, homeschooling, or the SCA, you will get his viewpoint in a very abrupt manner.
              • Re: Wife Swap goes Medieval

                Tue, March 14, 2006 - 8:22 PM
                We have a phone. More than one, actually. The show said we don't have a house phone, or words to that effect. You can also hear Damon say he has to call the cable repair as part of his household duties. That would be hard without a phone.

                Do you really think you know everyone in the SCA? That's pretty impressive, especially with all the kingdoms across the world.
            • Re: Wife Swap goes Medieval

              Tue, March 14, 2006 - 8:18 PM
              Dulcinaya-remember that our highest value is honor when you speak about someone publicly in a negative way.

              My wife is quite social, and I am very happy with my daughters phone skills-and not because I have low standards.

              If you had paid attention to the show, you would see that the Haggarty kids did anything BUT hang out with their mom.

              Friends have their place. In our opinion, that place is somewhere after family.
              • Re: Wife Swap goes Medieval

                Tue, March 14, 2006 - 8:55 PM
                "Dulcinaya-remember that our highest value is honor when you speak about someone publicly in a negative way. "

                True enough. I do not mean for my words to be hurtful...I do see that they are indeed hurtful, and for that I apologize.

                I will say this, though. If you are going to air your life on TV, you have to be ready to take it when people give their opinions. It's like being on a message board...if you can't take some honesty, then you shouldn't be here. You don't like what I said, and you confronted it. I respect that. It does indeed work both ways.

                I am glad you joined us here, as I would like to hear your side of all this. I found the show interesting, and enjoyed especially the conversation you had with the Haggerty's at the end.

                I understand that these "reality shows" are anything but, and that editing can change what really happened in the viewer's eye. What I had issue with was the implication that no phones are in your house (a fact I now know to be false) and the idea that your wife would be shocked at the idea that teenagers might choose the company of their friends over that of their parents. Your wife was portrayed as someone who was afraid to let the kids leave the house and who was afraid of the outside world herself. I imagine much of this was fabrication. How much so? I'm also guessing many of the more damning quotes were shown out of context. Even so, I am wondering what context would change the thrust of some of them. Would you like to talk about any of this?

                I'm very open minded about wanting to hear what you have to say, as I have a feeling what happened and what we saw were very different stories.
                • Re: Wife Swap goes Medieval

                  Tue, March 14, 2006 - 9:18 PM
                  It's very easy to smear someone on a board like this. Some of it we can respond to, some we can't.

                  One of things we care about, really and truly, is what the SCA stands for, and the friends we've made in it.

                  Do I think we've hurt the SCA? No. We've been through worse. Do I want SCAdians talking trash about us? No. Everyone is entitled to opinions, but I hope SCAdians show the respect and courtesy while posting here we so often talk about.

                  That isn't directed against you, it's just something I feel needs saying.

                  I really can't go into a lot of details. It was a very interesting experience I would not repeat. I knew we'd be made fun of, but I don't mind if people laugh with me, or at me, for what I am or what I do. I wouldn't have registered Madog Barfog if I couldn't have some fun. (That named passed, by the way).

                  However, I will stand up for my family when my wife is called crazy and my children are ridiculed. We've been mentioned in a few threads. Most of it has been reasonable, but some of what was said was obviously done so with the expectation we would never see it.
                • Re: Wife Swap goes Medieval

                  Tue, March 14, 2006 - 9:27 PM
                  Oh, I forgot to mention that my wife is a very concerned, protective parent, but she isn't afraid to let the kids go with friends or to leave the house.

                  As far as living in the Middle Ages 24/7, there was a brief shot of my wife and I on our his & her laptops. The show did say I was an information security consultant, which is not a low tech job. These are facts about my family, or things you can see on the show, so I can mention them without issue.

                  I can also say that Ursula (or Stephanie, but this is an SCA board) is very fond of her harp, and plays it often.
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                    Re: Wife Swap goes Medieval

                    Wed, March 15, 2006 - 2:22 AM
                    Carry a false coin for thief's.

                    This is how I plan to handle it. I work in an office accounting department. I was just promoted to a leadership role. We are a major company and a division of Lexis-Nexis. I have been called a free-spirit by my boss. He found my lifestyle (what he knows of it) to be "interesting". I was cornered by the CFO and the CEO about the show and what I "really" do in the SCA.
                    We are talking about my job. The place that gives my the money I need to eat, pay the rent, put clothes on my back and to go to Pennsic. And my lifestyle is outside work and does not impact my job.
                    I lied to a degree. I told them.
                    "It is a show and not real". "I know the Medieval Family in that show and they are nowhere like they were showed on that show". "They were paid big money to do that show". "In real life they would fit well in at the country club you two belong to".

                    Yes, I lied. I don't know Madog or Ursula. But I do carry a empty pocketbook when I visit the city for thief's. My money is on my belt pack next to my handgun. If they want my money I hand over the empty pocketbook. I don't think that is wrong. They have no right to my money and my boss does not have a right to what I do outside work. And what others do to make a fast buck.

                    With that all said I feel you two came very close to hurting a lot of other people who not have to defend their lifestyles.
                    • Re: Wife Swap goes Medieval

                      Wed, March 15, 2006 - 4:54 AM
                      Thank you for sharing your story, Siobhra. This is what I was stating as well, I jsut have been fortunate enough to not have been in this position yet over this. I also know people who are in long-term relationships with non-SCAdians. The non-SCA partner resists trying the hobby because of what they think its about, because of fear, because of whatever. Mind you, by all other accounts these are loving wonderful relationships. I know for a fact that that show pretty much put an end to any chance those people investigating the SCA further.

                      Now there's one can say about that (that the people SHOULD try to join the partners activities) or that its just editing or TV or whatever. But SO many people that are already opposed to the activities (employers, partners, whatever), will now just use that really bad example (the show itself and what it portrayed) to say, "I saw it all, I dont need to see more."

                      It was your decision to make the show. You said it was a once in a lifetime experience. You HAD to have known what they do to ANYone on such shows, but took the opportunity to be on TV. I could probably do something really out there and land my self on TV too, but its not worth it for such a Jerry Springerish depiction of one's life. Not to me.

                      I dont think anyone should be violently trashing you, but as I, and others, have said elsewhere. You had to have known the show would make you the object of ridicule going into it.
                      • Re: Wife Swap goes Medieval

                        Wed, March 15, 2006 - 8:38 AM
                        A lot of life is about perception. When you're presented with an extreme view of someone or something you form an opinion based on what you see. If it's worth it to you, you take the time to look deeper and see what might be underneath. But when I'm presented with a family of geeks living in a fantasy world I point and giggle, then change the channel.
                        The problem is I know a LOT of SCA people that arent like that at ALL, yet they've now been painted with the same brush as these medieval trekkies from the show. That's unfortunate. THey deserve better than that.
                    • Re: Wife Swap goes Medieval

                      Thu, March 16, 2006 - 9:21 PM
                      Siobhra, you are cross posting this into another thread, which confuses things.

                      I'm sorry you are concerned for your job, but look at it this way. I have a high visibiltiy, customer facing job where I meet Fortune 1000 executives and charge them $2000-$3000/day, plus expenses, for my time. I was the one on the show. I am not worried about my job. If you are, or feel the questions asked were inappropriate, then you should talk to your HR department. No TV show should affect anyone's work.

                      We tried very hard, very very hard, to show our hobby in a positive light. I'm sorry that it apparantly does not make good TV. I've spent a lot of time explaining and defending myself. It's just a TV show. People are forgetting about it already.

                      Really, everything will be alright, and for anything negative that allegedly happens because of the show, something positive will also happen.
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                    Re: Wife Swap goes Medieval

                    Wed, March 15, 2006 - 2:50 AM
                    I have to say I was really disappointed to find out that you not only live in Ohio, but that you live in the next barony and I've actually been to some events you have been to. (Though you certainly don't look familiar to me, but then to be fair I find I don't recognize a lot of faces locally anymore)

                    That said, the Middle Kingdom email list was burning all day as people tried to figure out who the hell you guys were since you live in our lands. Only two or three people ever remembered seeing you - ever.

                    If I heard right you guys felt the Midrealm wasn't friendly enough so you haven't been all that active, well I'm sure we'll welcome you with open arms now after that PR debacle. (And hurrah to Master Fahued and the BoD for saying hell no to being or allowing the sca to play any part of it.)

                    You don't really play that much in kingdom from what we've been all comparing notes on, so you'll see very little of the damage you've caused. We, your fellow ohio scadians, are the ones who are going to be dealing with this the longest. Word gets around when locals get on TV shows, it gets promoted on the local news, more turn in to see it. What they saw (whether it was true or not) was a bunch of kooky weirdoes who looked to be out of touch with everything modern and a bit more than touched in the head who are part of this insane hobby that dominates so much of their time they are ignorant to modern culture if not socially retarded. For a hobby and a organization you claim to love so much you sure have done a great job in helping to demean it.

                    Not effect the SCA? Yesterday afternoon I was talking with a GREAT possible site (huge mega church; three GIANT buildings including a large banquet hall and a big church school and a mess of parking - all less than 1/4 mile off a I-75 exit ramp), today they called and said they wanted nothing to do with us after seeing your episode. It's already started. THANKS A TON!

                    Good job - you sold your soul (and our reps)for $20K. They say money can't buy happiness, well in this case it's certainly not buying you any friends.
                    • Re: Wife Swap goes Medieval

                      Fri, March 17, 2006 - 11:05 PM
                      Considering your rants and frantic over-reactions all over Tribe to this show Griz, I'd have to say that the group may have just needed an excuse to say "No".

                      Go have a beer, or a quaalude, or hit yourself with a rock...whatever. Calm down.
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    Re: Wife Swap goes Medieval

    Fri, March 17, 2006 - 10:08 AM
    Anyone know if the show will be repeated or a website where it can be downloaded?
    • Re: Wife Swap goes Medieval

      Sun, March 19, 2006 - 12:29 AM
      Here's the thing Maddog. I've done a tv show before. Springer to be exact. When I did it I only repersented myself. U repersented a whole bunch of SCA. It dosent matter if U said SCA or not in the show. The nation and employers are alll casting judgement on thousands 'o people thatr didn't get paid $20,000 to do the show. If no one thought it was SCA than no one would be posting here and people wouldn't be loosing event sites and getting asked about crap at work. Who did I hurt? no one (well possibably my immediatate fam but they laughed it off) . Who did hurt ? Alot o people. U agreed to it but thousands 'o others didn't. I portrayed myself with no hint or mention of other groups, Tuchux or SCA. U put other people out there and U refuse 2 take resposnability 4 it. Stop acting like U have no control over editing. U agreeded to make yourselves and the SCA llook like asses 4 a quick buck.. Just admit it. U want to balme the editors but they wouldn't have anything 2 edit if it weren't 4 U. Ul looked like an insane ass on tv. Whether or not it is true no one cares. America wants 2 see the worst in U. Most of america will forget in 72 hrs what they saw. Everyone, except for the people who knows a SCA person willl remember and think they are lunitics...No one is looking at the fine print.

      Not SCA but can feel their pain
      Zara.
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        Re: Wife Swap goes Medieval

        Sun, March 19, 2006 - 9:34 AM
        Springer? What was the topic?
        • Re: Wife Swap goes Medieval

          Sun, March 19, 2006 - 9:40 PM
          I saw a similar thread on another Tribe and left a post there much like the one I'm leavin' here in case the peeps that were on this "show" may see it on one and not the other... I'm really curious now that I have a grasp of what this is all about...

          My question is: Why? - Why in the world, if you knew what sort of dreck the show was before you signed on the line, would anyone ever WANT to be on anything as obviously inane as what this program sounds to be? Money? Obviously from your description of the jobs you hold you shouldn't need that, - unless you're financially inept moreso than the Governor of Ohio. Fame? That'd be unbelievable. Not this sort of fame. Only $20 G's? Shucks, - it'd take more than that for ME to bend over and take it in front of the millions of uneducated, (and even more unbelievably, educated ) trailer-park dwelling, diet-beer swilling, single-digit-IQ'd boob-tube watchers that something like this must draw...
          Now, - were it akin more the ilk of "Discovery" or "the History Channel" or something else similar in educational quality, - maybe. Heck, - certainly. But THIS stuff? Why didn't youse try out for "Survivor" as well? :-P
          There's a reason why I haven't allowed television in my home since 1991, and TV of this sort, - along with it's brainless advertising, - is exactly why.

          What could your reasoning possibly have been? :-!
          • Re: Wife Swap goes Medieval

            Mon, March 20, 2006 - 8:16 AM
            Well, I just joined tribe so I could respond to all the posts in regards to the wife swap goes medieval.

            I have been a SCA member for approximately 10 years. I watched the show. And, to be honest I was not offended. It is t.v. for goodness sake.....Actually I thought the other family had the problems not the SCA group...whom I did not know were members of the SCA.

            To be honest I have had different responses from mundane (outsiders) people than those who have posted here...I have been asked me more questions about the SCA and people have wanted to go to events. Those I have spoken to actually viewed the show positively. I have been with my fiance for 2 years...he actually (after the show) went to gulf wars with me this weekend and is now hooked.

            I do not live my life 24/7 in the medieval world, but I will not judge someone who does. One would think that in my world (I am an attorney in Atlanta)... that people would look negatively at the the "medieval couple," but in all truth...the entire idea of leaving work at the front door and living a life free from the stress of legal entaglements and politics....my friends were actually positive about it....and want to learn more about the lifestyle......

            I realize that there is a lot of bad stuff being said out there...but there is also some good things being said. .....As with everything in this world.
          • Re: Wife Swap goes Medieval

            Mon, March 20, 2006 - 10:38 AM
            I have the same question Cowboy. I have asked them a few times, and they refuse to respond.

            I understand the whole outburst that has occurred here - no matter who they were representing, even themselves alone - it reflected on pretty much everyone who is remotely involved. And just because of the nature of the show, creative editing, and other such tv magic, it reflected poorly. Fortunately, I was watching with family so I didn't get any weird looks, but they were relieved to know that I don't live my life like that.

            The family seems like an intelligent family. Too intelligent to not understand what they were getting into, or how they might be portrayed. The show isn't designed to flatter anyone - it is meant to make fun of the people involved and let America see the freakshow, and I would be totally amazed if they didn't realize that before they signed the contract. That is what puzzles me. That is why I want to know why they agreed to do the show.

            I know there's only so much they are allowed to talk about. But I would still like to know what they were thinking.
            • Re: Wife Swap goes Medieval

              Fri, March 24, 2006 - 8:28 AM
              They get paid.

              $20,000.


              I'm from their area - as far as I know, they haven't been to a single meeting, practice or event with the local shire. I have heard 2 people say they have seen them at ANY events in Ohio. I would say they really haven't made a huge effort to become part of the local SCA "family".



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